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mumukShu- mAtAjI! vah puruShArtha karanA kaise?

samAdhAna- svayam lagan lagAnI, bAharamen kahIn ruchi na lage, AtmAkA svarUp kaise prApta ho? aisI ruchi yadi jAgRut ho to phir usakA chitta us or muDe. shAstra svAdhyAy, tattva vichAr, gurukI vANI sunanI. guru virAjate the tab unakI vANI milatI thI. gurune jo kahA us prakArake shAstra paDhe, vichAr kare, usakI lagan lagAye. dev- guru-shAstrakI mahimA, gurune kyA kahA hai, AtmAkA svarUp kaise prApta ho, usake vichAr kare. us prakArakA vAnchan kare, us prakArakI mahimA kare. bAharakI ruchi kam kare.

.. janma-maraN, janma-maraN (chalate rahatA hai). rAg ho use aisA lage, bAkI janma- maraN sansArakA svarUp hI hai. baDe chakravartI chale jAte hain, dUsaronkA kyA? lAkh pUrvakA AyuShya ho to bhI AyuShya pUrA ho jAtA hai. sAgaropamakA AyuShya pUrA ho jAtA hai. to is panchamakAlamen to AyuShya kitanA hai? janma-maraN dekhakar vairAgya karane jaisA hai. AtmAkA svarUp samajhe. kisIke sambandha ekasamAn nishchit hote hI nahIn. koI kahAn-se AtA hai, koI kahAn-se AtA hai. ... phir usake AyuShyakA jitanA mel ho utanA rahe, phir chale jAte hain.

... AtmAkI ruchi kI, vaisA sab kiyA aisA mAnakar shAnti rakhanI. dev-guru- shAstra par... sharaNarUp AtmA hI hai. dev-guru-shAstra shubhabhAvamen aur antaramen AtmA gnAyak, vahI karane jaisA hai. puruShArtha svayamse karanA hai. jise lagan lagI ho vah svayam hI (karatA hai). karanA vahI hai, jIvanakI sArthakatA (usImen hai).

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- sva-parakI ekatvabuddhi hai. ekatvabuddhi toDakar apanamemen (ekatvabuddhi kare). parake sAth ekatvabuddhi hai, vah svakI or ekatvabuddhi karake parase vibhakta honA vah karanekA hai. ... parantu dRuShTi to antaramen ... dravya par dRuShTi karanI hai. usakA gnAn, usamen lInatA vah karanA hai. puruShArtha to svayamko hI karanA paDatA hai. usakI lagan lagAnI, mahimA karanI. chaitanyake mUlamen jAkar use grahaN karanA, vah karanA hai. ... usakI or usakI lagan laganI chAhiye to hotA hai.

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mumukShu- lagan lagAyI hai, parantu jaise hI bhedagnAn karate hain, vaise..

samAdhAna- bAr-bAr us or puruShArtha, gnAn, us or dRuShTi, us or pariNati bArambAr usakA puruShArtha karanA chAhiye. ... svayam kiye binA rahatA hI nahIn. bAharakI ... svayam hI karatA hai.

mumukShu- ... jaisA puruShArtha uThanA chAhiye us prakArakA nahIn uThatA hai.

samAdhAna- svayamkI kShati hai.

samAdhAna- ... siddha bhagavAn jaisA svarUp pragaT karanA ho to AtmA siddha bhagavAn jaisA hai. to vah sab vikalpase chhUTakar AtmAko pahachAne to bhavakA abhAv ho. shubhabhAv Aye usase puNyabandha ho to devalok mile. ... antaramen AtmAkI svAnubhUti ho vah mokShakA upAy hai. antaramen dRuShTi karake antaramense muktikA mArga (pragaT hotA hai).

pahale Anshik mokShakA svarUp AnshikarUpase svAnubhavamen AtA hai. phir visheSh- visheSh andar lInatA karate-karate munidashA Ayee, usamen kevalagnAn hotA hai. mokShakA upAy vahI hai. AtmAko pahichAne. main chaitanya gnAyak AtmA jAnanevAlA andar tattva hai use pahichAne. usamen Ananda, usamen sukh hai. usake liye tattvavichAr, vAnchan, svAdhyAy Adi kare. use sarva prakArakI Asakti TUT jAtI hai, bAharakI ruchi chhUT jAy, chhUT jAtI hai. use sabakA tyAg ho jAtA hai aisA nahIn, parantu use antaramense sab ras chhUT jAtA hai aur AtmAko pahachAnanekA prayatna kare to antaramen mokSha hai. mokSha bAharase nahIn hotA hai. shubhabhAvanAonse puNyabandha hotA hai.

mumukShu- merA yah kahanA hai ki jo mandir, mUrti aur ye jo sab karate hain, usamen apanI bhAvanA to shubh hotI hai,...

samAdhAna- hAn, vah to shubh (bhAv hai). puNya bandhatA hai.

mumukShu- puNya bandhatA hai aur jo mandir ham banavAte hain, usake ek andar Aj subah main baiThA thA, vahAn ek bhAI baiThe the, isamen paise dete hain, ... un logonko puNyAnubandha pAp AtA hai? vahAn jAnake bAd ...

samAdhAna- puNya hI bandhatA hai. dUsare log chAhe jo karate hon, parantu jo mandir bandhavAtA hai, usakI to shubhabhAvanA hotI hai. use shraddhA to vahI rakhanI hai ki ye to shubhabhAv hai. mokSha to andar svAnubhUtise hotA hai. use shraddhA to yahI rakhanI hai. parantu bIchamen shubhabhAvanAen Aye binA nahIn rahatI. isaliye mandir bandhavAye usamen koI kuchh bhAv kare, koI kuchh bhAv kare, vah to usakI svatantratA par hai. usake sAth kuchh nahIn hai. svayam apane shubhabhAv karatA hai. dUsare log kyA karate hain, vah dUsare par nirbhar karatA hai. pratyek AtmA svatantra hain. dUsare log kyA karate hon, koI shubhabhAv

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kare, koI kyA kare, kyon kare, vah us par nirbhar karatA hai.

mumukShu- jo vyantar dev ginate hain... ve log kaise jAte hain?

samAdhAna- sachche dev to arihant, guru aur shAstra. arihantake sivA koI devako mAne nahIn. sachche sudev, suguru aur sushAstrake sivAy kisIko (mAne nahIn). kuguru, kudevako mAnanevAle to... vah to tAranevAle nahIn hai. .. har jagah ghumate rahe aise dev hI thoDe hI hote haiain. apane bAp-dAdAko aise mAn lenA ki vah sab dev hote hain aur usako ichchhA rahA karatI hai,... sab bAp-dAdA aise hI hote honge? koI achchhI gati, UnchI gatimen nahIn jAte honge, aisA kyon mAn lenA? sab vaise hI dev hote hain. usakA bhav vaisA hI hotA hai aisA kaise mAn lenA? .. vah kyon nahIn ho? aur aise suradhan hI hote honge sab? devalokake devase kisIkA uddhAr nahIn hotA. vah to bhagavAn arihantadevase uddhAr hotA hai, bhagavAnakI vANIse uddhAr hotA hai. devalokake devase kisIkA uddhAr nahIn hotA. devalokake dev to bhagavAnakI sevA, pUjA karane Ate hain. vah dev kisIkA uddhAr nahIn karate, us devase kisIkA uddhAr nahIn hotA. vah kisIko tArate nahIn. ... jUThI bhramaNA aur mAnyatAen hain.

mumukShu- jo .. vah kaun hai?

samAdhAna- vah sab bhramaNA hai.

mumukShu- .. Ate hain, vah koI bhI AtmA hogA.

mumukShu- pahale devalokamen yah aur dUsare devalokamen is prakArase vahAn AyuShya hai. vahAn is prakArase...

samAdhAna- bhale hI ho, jo bhI ho. apane to AtmAkA karanA hai na. devalokamen to devakI Ruddhi hai to usamen sab hotA hai. devako sab hotA hai. devonkI Ruddhi jyAdA hotI hai. devonko khAnA-pInA nahIn hai. unako to Uch-nIch jAtike dev hote hain.

mumukShu- to baDe devonkI chhoTe dev sevA kare.

samAdhAna- hAn, aisA hotA hai. chhoTe dev, baDe dev aisA hotA hai.

mumukShu- ..vartamAnamen pancham kAl chalatA hai.

samAdhAna- mokSha bhale na ho, parantu AtmAko pahichAnA jA sakatA hai.

mumukShu- AtmAko pahichAnA aisA kab khyAlamen Aye?

samAdhAna- vah to svayam apanA jAn sakatA hai. svayam apanA jAn sakatA hai.

mumukShu- panchamakAlamen jab tak kevalagnAn na hotA, tab tak mokSha nahIn hotA. to panchamakAlamen kevalagnAn nahIn hotA, kyonki panchamakAl chalatA hai. isaliye panchamakAlamen kabhI kevalagnAn nahIn hotA.

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samAdhAna- samyagdarshan hotA hai, mokShakA prArambh hotA hai, mokShakA ansh pragaT hotA hai. samyagdarshan hotA hai.

mumukShu- samyagdarshan arthAt kyA?

samAdhAna- AtmAkI svAnubhUti. AtmAko antaramen pahichAnakar, AtmAko antarase nirAlA pragaT kar svayam AtmAkA anubhav kar sakatA hai. is sharIrake andar AtmA hai. AtmA vikalpase bhinna, vikalpakI jAlase bhinna AtmAkA anubhav kar sakatA hai. vah samyagdarshan hai. siddha bhagavAn hai, usakA ansh jise pragaT hotA hai vah samyagdarshan, vah svAnubhUti.

mumukShu- log jo Aj tIrthayAtrA karate hain..

samAdhAna- puNya bandhatA hai, dUsarA kuchh nahIn hai. puNya bandhatA hai.

mumukShu- usake bajAy vah ghar baiThakar apane AtmAkA kalyAN kare to jyAdA achchhA mAn sakate hain?

samAdhAna- AtmAkA kare to. nahIn to jisako jo ThIk lage vah kare. AtmAkI jignAsA karake AtmAko pahichAne to jyAdA achchhA hai.

mumukShu- AtmAko pahichAnaneke liye shubhakarmakI jarUrat hai?

samAdhAna- AtmAko pahichAnanekA kArya kare usamen shubhakarma sAthamen A hI jAte hain. manuShyapanA prApta kiyA, ... AtmAkI jignAsA jAge usamen shubhabhAvanA sAthamen A hI jAtI hai. .. pahale yah vichArane jaisA hai. jisamen bahubhAg AtmAkI bAt Aye vah Agam hai. Agam kise kahanA vah karane jaisA hai. ye sab Agam hain usamen AtmAkI bAt kitanI AtI hai, yah vichArane jaisA hai. jo shAstramen, jisamen AtmAkI bAten AtI hain, AtmAkA mokSha kaise ho, dravya-guN-paryAy, utpAd-vyay-dhruv aisI jo sUkShma-sUkShma AtmAkI svAnubhUtikI bAt Aye vah Agam hai. yah sab Agam hai yA nahIn, isakA vichAr karane jaisA hai.

mumukShu- main vahI pUchhatA hUn, Agam hain aur Ap vichAr karane jaisA hai aisA Ap kahate ho, isaliye main kahatA hUn...

samAdhAna- hAn, vichArane jaisA hai. Agam kise kahanA vah vichArane jaisA hai.

mumukShu- jisamen AtmAkI bAten AtI ho...

samAdhAna- Agam kise kahate hain, yah vichArane jaisA hai, vichAr karake nakkI karane jaisA hai.

samAdhAna- bhagavAnakA samavasaraN hotA hai, aise shaktishAlI jIv hI hote hain. bIs hajAr siDhIyAn chaDhakar bhagavAnake samavasaraNamen vANI sunane Upar jAte hain. devommen

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aur manuShyommen itanI shakti hotI hai. vartamAn jaise sharIr usake nahIn hote. usake sharIramen chaDh jAy aisI shakti (hotI hai). abhI Ap koI chInTIko kaho to vah kaise chal sake, usake jaisI bAt hai. vartamAnakAlake manuShyonke sharIr aur chauthe kAlake manuShyonke sharIramen pharka hotA hai. vah puNyashAlI jIv hote hain. unakA AyuShya baDA hotA hai, unakA sharIr alag hotA hai.

mumukShu- mahAvIr bhagavAnake samayakI bAt hai na yah to?

samAdhAna- mahAvIr bhagavAnake samayamen vah chaturtha kAl thA.

mumukShu- kAl chaturtha parantu sabakA AyuShya..

samAdhAna- bhale AyuShya nahIn thA, parantu sharIr alag the. sab sunate hain. tiryanch sunane jAte hain, manuShya jAte hain. ... yathArtha hai, bhagavAnakI vANI sunane sab jAte the. vah yathArtha hai. bhagavAnakI vANI sunanekA, sabakA us prakArakA puNya thA. vah puNya abhI khatma ho gaye hain.

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- sabamen tAratamyatAmen pharka thA. sab alpa-alpa thA. abhI vartamAnamen bahut baDh gayA hai. abhI samyagdarshan prApta karanA durlabh hai. us samayamen to kShaNamAtramen samyagdarshan prApta karate the aur munidashA bhI kShaNamAtramen prApta kar lete the. thoDI deramen antarmuhUrtamen kevalagnAn prApta kar lete the. us prakArake log AtmAkA vaisA puruShArtha karate the.

... AtmAko pahichAnanA, AtmAkA kalyAN karanA. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA aur AtmAkA kalyAN karanA.

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- abhI yathArtha nahIn huA hai. sachamUchamen dukh lage to sukhakA mArga khoje binA rahe nahIn. sachchA dukh abhI nahIn lagatA hai. kharI ruchi lage, antar vichAr kare, vAnchan kare... baDe-baDe chakravartI bhI sab chhoD dete hain. kyonki usamen use sukh nahIn lagA hai. jinake pAs dev hAjir hote the, ... chakravartI aur tIrthankaronne bhI sab chhoD diyA thA. tab AtmAmen kuchh visheShatA hogI isaliye chhoD diyA thA. un sabako AtmAmen visheShatA lagI. jinhen puNyakA koI pAr nahIn thA, bAhya anukUlatAkA pAr nahIn thA, aise puNyashAlI jIv the. chaturtha kAlamen aise rAjA, aise chakravartI sabane chhoD diyA. isaliye antar AtmAmen sukh bharA hai. bAharamen vyartha prayatna karanA vah jUThI bhrAnti hai. baDe tIrthankaron, jinakI dev sevA karate the, to bhI chhoDakar AtmAkI sAdhanA (karane chal paDe). AtmAmen hI sab bharA hai. aisI shraddhA karake andarase vikalpajAl (toDakar)

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bhedagnAn karake gnAyak AtmAko pahichAn liyA.

mumukShu- .. AtmAkI pahichAn hotI nahIn hai, AtmAkI bAten sunate hain,...

samAdhAna- andar puruShArthakI kShati hai, ruchikI kamI hai. mArga pakaDamen (nahIn AtA hai). jo guru aur shAstramen.. jo gurune kahA hai, usakA vichAr karanA. kis mArga par jAyA jAtA hai? usakA mArga kyA hai? AtmAkA kyA svabhAv hai? main kaun hUn? merA svabhAv kyA hai? vah sab vichAr karanA aur bAharakI ruchi chhoD denI.

mumukShu- to AtmAkA anubhav hotA hai?

samAdhAna- to hotA hai, hAn, to hotA hai.

mumukShu- ruchi laganekI AvashyakatA hai.

samAdhAna- antarase ruchi laganI chAhiye. ruchi lage to vichAr Aye to usakA vAnchan ho, us or antarase jhuke to hotA hai. binA ruchike nahIn hotA. bAharakI ruchi lagI ho tab tak (nahIn hotA). andarakI ruchi laganI chAhiye, utanI lagan laganI chAhiye.

... gurudevane kahA usI mArga par jAne jaisA hai. vahI ruchi aur dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA. AtmA gnAyakako pahichAnanA aur dev-guru-shAstrakI jaise mahimA ho vaise karane jaisA hai. jinendra devakI pUjA karanI, jinendra devakI mahimA, gurukI mahimA, shAstra mahimA vah sab karane jaisA hai. antar AtmAko pahichAnaneke liye gnAyak AtmA kaise pahichAnamen Aye? dhyey ek hai. Apake mAtA aur pitAko vah ruchi thI aur vah sabako karane jaisA hai. hasamukhabhAI to...

mumukShu- yahAn to ek-ek rajakaNamen gurudevake smaraN bhare hain.

samAdhAna- dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA. jinendra dev, guru, guru kyA kahate hain, gurune mArga batAyA us mArga par chalane jaisA hai. shAstramen bhI vahI AtA hai ki AtmA gnAyak hai, jAnanevAlA hai, vah sab AtA hai. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA aur gnAyak AtmAko kaise pahichAnanA. AtmA bhinna hai, yah sharIr bhinna hai. AtmAko pahichAnaneke liye dev- guru-shAstrakI mahimA.. andar AtmA koI apUrva chIj hai. gurudev kahate the, unakI vANImen apUrvatA thA. yah koI alag hI vastu hai. svAnubhUti kaise pragaT karanI? usake liye bhedagnAn karanA, ye vikalpa, sankalpa-vikalpa apanA svabhAv nahIn hai. usase AtmAko bhinna karake AtmA kaise pahachAnA jAy? vah mahimA, vah ruchi Adi karane jaisA hai. aur shubhabhAvamen dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA jo ho vah karane jaisA hai.

mumukShu- dUsarI koI jagah aisA nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- nahIn, sab tuchchha hai. yahI ek karane jaisA hai, sachchA yah hai. pahalese

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inako ruchi hai.

mumukShu- pitAjIko bahut thI na.

samAdhAna- pitAjIko, mAtAjIko sabako. chattArI mangalan, arihantA mangalan, sAhU mangalan, kevalipaNatto dhammo mangalan. chattArI loguttamA, arihantA loguttamA, siddhA loguttamA, sAhU loguttamA, kevalipaNatto dhammo loguttamA.

chattArI sharaNan pavajjAmi, arihantA sharaNan pavajjAmi, siddhA sharaNan pavajjAmi, kevalI paNatto dhammo sharaNan pavajjAmi.

chAr sharaN, chAr mangal, chAr uttam kare je, bhavasAgarathI tare te sakaL karmano ANe anta. mokSha taNA sukh le anant, bhAv dharIne je guN gAye, te jIv tarIne muktie jAya. sansAramAnhI sharaN chAr, avar sharaN nahIn koI. je nar-nArI Adare tene akShay avichal pad hoya. angUThe amRut varase labdhi taNA bhaNDAra. guru gautamane samarIe to sadAy manavAnchhit phal dAtA.