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samAdhAna- ... gurukI jo vANI AtI hai, ...

mumukShu- deshanAlabdhi bagair koI bhI samyakatva nahIn pAtA?

samAdhAna- anAdikAlase deshanAlabdhike binA nahIn pAtA. ek bAr koI guru, koI devakI pratyakSha vANI milatI hai tab pAtA hai. akele shAstrase nahIn hoshratA hai. chaitanyakI prApti, sAmane chaitanya hove to hotI hai. pragaT svAnubhUti jisako hotI hai, vah jise chaitanya (pragaT huA) hai, usako chaitanya pragaT hotA hai, aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai. .. usako deshanAlabdhi hotI hai. hotA hai apanese, lekin nimitta-upAdAnakA aisA sambandha hotA hai.

jisako chaitanya pragaT huA hai, usake nimittase chaitanyakI prApti hotI hai. aisA upAdAn- nimittakA sambandha hai. ... usakA spaShTIkaraN, usakA rahasya kaun jAnatA hai? pratyakSha gnAnI jAnatA hai. usako svAnubhUti huyI hai. usake jo bhItaramense adabhutatA pragaT huyI hai, usakI vANI usako batAnevAlI hai. usake nimittase, chaitanyake nimittase chaitanya (pragaT) hotA hai. gurukI vANI chhUTatI hai to deshanAlabdhi hotI hai. bhItaramen pragaT hotI hai. usakA sambandha hai upAdAn-nimittakA.

samAdhAna- ... kAraNashuddhaparyAy to anAdiananta hai. vah pAriNAmikabhAv anAdiananta hai, vaise kAraNaparyAy bhI ananta hai. jaise dravya shuddha hai, guN shuddha hai, paryAy bhI anAdiananta pAriNAmikabhAvakI vah paryAy hai, vah anAdiananta hai. kAryaparyAy to pragaT hotI hai. pAriNAmikabhAv par dRuShTi karanese kAryaparyAy pragaT hotI hai. akhaNDa dravya par dRuShTi karanese kAryaparyAy hotI hai. akelI kAraNashuddhaparyAy par dRuShTi karanese hotI hai, aisA nahIn hai. usamen kAraNaparyAy A jAtI hai. dravya par dRuShTi karanese kAraNaparyAy usamen A jAtI hai. dravya par jo dRuShTi karatA hai, usamen pAriNAmikabhAv, gnAyakabhAv, kAraNashuddhaparyAy sab usamen A jAtA hai.

jo gnAyakako grahaN karatA hai usako. usamense kAryaparyAy sadhatI hai, isaliye kAraNashuddhaparyAy aur kAryashuddhaparyAy (kahate hain). kAraNaparyAy... vah anAdiananta hai, kAraNashuddhaparyAy anAdiananta hai. aisA dravyakA svabhAv hai. us par dRuShTi karanese kArya-

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ratnatray pragaT hote hain aur pUrNa paryAy pragaT hotI hai. akele ansh par dRuShTi karanese nahIn, pUrNa dravya par dRuShTi karanese kAryashuddha paryAy pragaT hotI hai.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! gnAyakako jo pakaDanA hai, gnAyakako, to vartamAnamen to ... vishva dikhatA hai. gnAyak apragaT hai, ab gnAnamen rAgAdi khyAlamen Ate hain ki yah rAg hai yA yah kaShAy hai athavA parapadArtha hai. us gnAnase gnAyakako bhinna karake pakaDanA kaise?

samAdhAna- use bhinna karake pakaDanA ki yah jo rAg dikhatA hai, yah dikhatA hai, vah dikhatA hai, dikhAI detA hai vah main nahIn, parantu use jAnanevAlA main hUn. use bhinna karake (jAne). jo ekatvabuddhi ho rahI hai, yah rAg dikhatA hai, yah dikhatA hai, bAharakA dikhatA hai, sab dikhatA hai, parantu jo dikhAI detA hai vah vastu main nahIn hUn, parantu usamen jAnanevAlA (main hUn). sab paryAyen chalI jAtI hai, usake bIch jo jAnanevAlA rahatA hai, vah jAnanevAlA main gnAyak hUn. us gnAyakako grahaN kar lenA, usakA astitva grahaN kar lenA. paryAy jo sab hotI hai, usake bIch jo dravya rahatA hai, jo jAnanevAlA akhaNDa hai, vah main hUn. aise usakA astitva grahaN kar lenA. usakA gnAyakarUp astitva hai.

mumukShu- puruShArtha karanekI yukti sUjh jAy to mArgakI ulajhan Tal jAya.

samAdhAna- puruShArtha karanekI yukti arthAt jo mArga hai, vah mArga use andarase sUjh jAy ki yah sab jo vibhAv hote hain vah main nahIn hUn, parantu main chaitanya hUn. aisI sUkShma dRuShTi karanekI kalA, usakI kalA, bhedagnAn-bhedavignAnakI kalA yadi hAthamen A jAy to pragaT ho jAya. ulajhan Tal jAya.

lekin vah kalA pragaT karaneke liye utanI taiyArI chAhiye, utanI mahimA, utanI jignAsA, utane tattvavichAr, utanI gaharAI ho to pragaT hotA hai. to usakI kalA sUjhe. kal sUjhaneke liye utanA dhairya, utanI antaramense jignAsA chAhiye to kalA pragaT hotI hai, to ulajhan Tale.

mumukShu- ... prApta nahIn hotA, samyakatva banA rahe aur paryAy badal jAy, manuShyaparyAyase devaparyAy ... mAtAke peTamen nav mahine aise hI rahatA hai to kyA samyakatva banA rahatA hai?

samAdhAna- pUrNatA nahIn hotI hai to bhI samyagdarshan rahatA hai. ek bhavase dUsare bhavamen. dev manuShyabhavamen jAtA hai to jisako kShAyik samyagdarshan hotA hai to mAtAke garbhamen bhI usako rahatA hai. samyagdarshan rahatA hai. tIrthankar bhagavAn mAtAke garbhamen Ate hain to tIn gnAn lekar Ate hain. mati, shrut aur avadhi tIn gnAn unako hote hI hain. chhUT nahIn jAte.

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mumukShu- kShayopasham samyakatvI...?

samAdhAna- kShayopasham samyagdarshan palaTatA hai, kShAyik nahIn palaTatA. aur apratihat dhArA hotI hai to nahIn palaTatA hai, parantu kShAyik to palaTatA hI nahIn. ... manuShyabhavamen garbhamen rahate hain to bhI jisako kShAyik hotA hai vah rahatA hai.

mumukShu- svarUpakA ugra Ashray karanese kShAyik samyagdarshan pragaT hotA hai na?

samAdhAna- svarUpakA ugra Ashraya. apratihat dhArA, usakI dhArA apratihat hotI hai. ugra Ashray bhI karatA hai aur dhArA apratihat (hotI hai). bAdamen aisI dRuDh ho jAtI hai ki bAdamen palaTatA nahIn. ugra Alamban to hai hI, parantu palaTe nahIn aisA Alamban, ekasamAn Alamban letA hai.

mumukShu- samyagdarshanakA puruShArtha kaise karen? kaise hotA hai?

samAdhAna- antaramense hotA hai. bhedagnAnakI dhArAkA abhyAs karanese hotA hai. main gnAyak hUn, main chaitanya hUn, aisI bhedagnAnakI dhArA bhItaramense pragaT karanese hotA hai. jisako bAhar kahIn chain nahIn paDatA hai, jisako bhUkh lagatI hai to vah khAye binA nahIn rahatA, vaise jise antaramense pyAs lage to puruShArtha kiye binA rahatA hI nahIn. aise gnAyak.. gnAyak.. gnAyakake binA use santoSh nahIn hotA. gnAyakamen mahimA lage, gnAyakamen ruchi lage, gnAyakakA abhyAs nirantar ho to hotA hai.

svAnubhUtikA abhyAs karanA. yah sharIr main nahIn hUn, vibhAvasvabhAv main nahIn, main gnAyak hUn. aisI gnAyakakI mahimA karanA. shabdarUp nahIn, parantu gnAyakakI mahimA lage, usamen ruchi lage, vah abhyAs karanA. shAstra svAdhyAy, tattva chintavan Adi sab karake main AtmA kaisA hUn, yah samajhaneke liye sab hotA hai. dev-guru-shAstrake vichAr.. main chaitanya kaise pragaT karun? aisI jignAsA karanA. vah karanekA hai.

samAdhAna- ... anAdise jo pragaT hotA hai, vah chaitanyase...

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- samavasaraNamen jAte hain, gurudev to bhagavAnake darshan karane jAte hain. devalokamen to sab virAjate hain. kundakundAchArya, amRutachandrAchArya sab virAjate hain. virAjate hain devalokamen. svapnamen to Aye, rAmajIbhAI kahate hain vah kuchh nahIn. svapnakA to aisA hai, devake rUpamen bhI Aye aur gurudevake rUpamen bhI Aye. kabhI gurudevake rUpamen Aye, kabhI devake rUpamen.

mumuukShu- .. samAdhAna- vah sab kyA kahanA? devake rUpamen Aye. isamen bhI Aye aur devake rUpamen bhI Aye.

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mumukShu- Apako bhI gurudevakA virah ho gayA. mAtAjIko to bahut virah...

samAdhAna- ve to mahApuruSh the.

mumukShu- bahin-bahin karate the.

samAdhAna- unakA to adabhut thA! dravya hI alag thA, tIrthankarakA dravya thA. main to unakA dAs hUn. ve to mahApuruSh! upayog to rakhe, gurudevako sab mAlUm to hotA hai. gurudev upayog rakhe. unhen gnAnamen to sab AtA hai, parantu yahAn AnekA bhAv.... panchamakAl hai isaliye abhI AnA bahut mushkil hai.

samavasaraN hotA hai, vahAn dev sAkShAt jAte hain. yahAn panchamakAlamen devonkA Agaman aisA ho gayA hai. panchamakAlamen dev bahut Ate nahIn. aur ve to nispRuh the. unhen andarase sab dharmakA prApta ho aisA prashasta bhAv thA, parantu ve to nirlep the. ichchhA kare to AnekI shakti to hai, parantu aise pratibandhavAle ve the hI kahAn? unhen bhAv thA ki sab dharma prApta kare. parantu vaisA unhen pratibandha, vikalpa nahIn thA. ve svayam hI kahate the, koI kisIkA kar nahIn sakatA.

mumukShu- ek bAr padhAre to chamatkAr ho jAya.

samAdhAna- shAsanake prashasta rAg... svayam hI kahate the, koI kisIkA kar nahIn sakatA. aisA bhAv Aye to AnekI shakti to hai.

mumukShu- upayog rakhate hI nahIn honge, vahIn sab khajAnA ho to yahAn...?

samAdhAna- bhagavAn mil gaye unhen to. bhagavAn, bhagavAn karate the, bhagavAn mil gaye.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! dhyAnamen to baiThate hain, gnAyakakA Ananda kaisA...?

samAdhAna- gnAyakakI pratIt karanI chAhiye. vichAr karake ... vichAranA chAhiye to dhyAnamen Aye na?

mumukShu- vichAr karate hain us samay to pratItamen AtA hai, phir vah bAt nikal jAtI hai.

samAdhAna- anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye ekatvabuddhi ho jAtI hai. vichAramen baiThe to bAr-bAr usakI pratIti karanA, bAr-bAr dRuDh karanA chAhiye, puna abhyAs karanA. anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye bAr-bAr karanA chAhiye. thakanA nahIn. ekatvabuuddhi to nirantar chalatI hai, to isako bAr-bAr dRuDh karanA chAhiye.

mumukShu- dUsare kAmamen jab upayog jAtA hai to vah bAt nikal jAtI hai.

samAdhAna- to bAr-bAr karanA. bArambAr karanA, bArambAr vichAr karanA, bArambAr karanA. tattvakA vichAr, svAdhyAy (karanA). gnAyak mahimAvant hai, bArambAr viShay karanA

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chAhiye ki main adabhut hUn. usakI adabhUtatA lage to usamen upayog jAya. chaitanyakI mahimA karanI chAhiye ki main adabhUt tattva hUn. jagatamen sarvotkRuShTa tattva main hI hUn. aisA bArambAr, bArambAr, bArambAr usakA abhyAs karanA, bArambAr dRuDhatA (karanI). usakI bhUkh lage to bArambAr us or pariNati gaye binA nahIn rahatI.

mumukShu- vichAr karate hain us samay to thoDI shAntisI lagatI hai, phir vah rahatI nahIn.

samAdhAna- puruShArthakI kamI hai, ruchikI kamI hai isaliye. bArambAr karanA.

mumukShu- mArgakI pratIti to hai ki mArga bilakUl sahI hai aur yahI ek prakArase mujhe shAnti hogI, aisA lagatA to hai. parantu vah kAyam nahIn rahatA hai.

samAdhAna- usakA puruShArtha kam hai. jisakI pratIti bhItarase hove ki idhar hI sukh hai, idhar hI shAnti hai, yah mujhe pragaT karanA hai. aisI yadi tIvra jignAsA hove to puruShArtha us or gaye binA rahatA hI nahIn. gnAn, darshan, chAritra sab meremense hI hotA hai. aisI dRuDh pratIti hove to pariNati us (or jAy). parantu usakI dRuDhatA nahIn hai. bArambAr bhedagnAnakA abhyAs karanA. main chaitanya hUn, yah sharIr main nahIn hUn. vikalpa vibhAvasvabhAv merA nahIn hai. main nirvikalpa tattva hUn. aisA bArambAr abhyAs karanA. aisI pratIti dRuDh karanA.

usake pIchhe paDe to pragaT hue binA rahatA nahIn. jisakI jarUrat lagatI hai bAharamen, koI vastukI, vyApArakI to pIchhe paDatA hai. to isakI-gnAyakakI jarUrat lage ki mujhe isakI jarUrat hai, to usake pIchhe paDake bhI usakA abhyAs karanA chAhiye. bArambAr aisA karanA chAhiye, to pragaT hove. aise ek bAr vichAr kar liyA to ho gayA, aise nahIn hotA. bArambAr karanA chAhiye.

mumukShu- bAharamen anukUlatAmen nahIn hai isaliye usamen juDanA paDatA hai.

samAdhAna- bhItaramen bArambAr karanA chAhiye. bAharake kArya chaitanyako rokate nahIn. bhItarake pariNAm apane hAthamen hai. bArambAr dRuDhatA karanI. bAharake kArya rokate nahIn.

mumukShu- pariNAm apane hAthamen hai?

samAdhAna- hAn, pariNAm apane hAthamen hai. pariNAmako kaise palaTanA, shubhAshubh bhAv, shubh aur ashubh aise pariNAm palaTate hain, vaise gnAyakakI or bhI palaTate hain. puruShArtha karanA apane hAthamen hai. use karma kar nahIn detA hai. apanA puruShArtha apane hAthamen hai.

mumukShu- ... AtmAmen AnekI kyA vidhi hai? kaise Aye?

samAdhAna- shabda bolanese nahIn hotA hai. AtmAko jAnanekI vidhi bhItaramen hotI

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hai. jaisA gurune batAyA, shAstramen AyA hai, samayasAr Adimen AtA hai ki gnAyak svarUp AtmA gnAtA hai. yah sab bhinna hai, AtmAkA svarUp nahIn hai. vibhAvasvabhAv AtmAkA nahIn hai. usakA bhedagnAn karo, tattvakA vichAr karo, gaharAImen jAkar gnAnasvabhAvako pahachAnA. aise mAlA japanese, mAtra shubhabhAv karanese nahIn hotA hai. bhItaramen bhedagnAn karanese hotA hai. bhItaramen jignAsA karake aur bhedagnAn karake svAnubhUti karanese hotA hai.

din-rAt usakI jignAsA, laganI laganI chAhiye. main AtmAko kaise pahachAnUn? usakA vichAr, usakA vAnchan aisA bArambAr bhedagnAn karanese hotA hai. sharIrako jAnatA hai, bAhar jAnatA hai, aise jAnanese AtmAkA gnAn nahIn hotA. AtmAko jAnanese AtmAkA gnAn hotA hai. main gnAnasvarUp hUn, main AnandasvarUp hUn, main ananta guNase bharapUr hUn, aisA bolanemAtrase nahIn, aisA mAtra raTan karanese nahIn, mAtra aise kalpit dhyAn karanese nahIn, parantu bhItar usakA svabhAv pahachAnanese (hotA hai).

guDakI mIThAs aur shakkarakA svAd (jAnatA hai), aise bhItaramen aisA svabhAv jAnanese hotA hai. mAtra bAhya dRuShTise, bAhar jAnanese nahIn hotA hai. bhItarako jAnanese hotA hai.