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mumukShu- bahin! unakA kahanA hai ki ham gRuhasthAshramamen kar sakate hain?

samAdhAna- AtmAkI ruchi to kar sakate hain na. andar ruchi rahanI chAhiye ki AtmAkA kaise ho? vAnchan, vichAr aisA to ho sakatA hai. dUsarA visheSh karanA ho to andarakI lagan lagAnI. jo karanA ho vah ho sakatA hai. pratham mUl nImv to samyagdarshanakA hai. samyagdarshan kaise pragaT ho, pahale to vah karane jaisA hai. isamen bAharase karanA hai (aisA to hai nahIn). antar dRuShTi karane jaisI hai vah karane jaisA hai. samyagdarshan kaise ho? anAdise vah pragaT nahIn huA hai, dUsarA sab ho chUkA hai. bAharakA sab prApta ho chUkA hai, ek samyagdarshan prApta nahIn huA hai. usakI taiyArI to gRuhasthAshramamen ho sakatI hai. usakA tattva vichAr, vAnchan, shAstra abhyAs, AtmA tattva bhinna hai usakI pratIt, dRuDhatA kaise ho vah sab karanA. vah sab to gRuhasthAshramamen ho sakatA hai.

mumukShu- ye to mumbaIkI pravRuttimen..

samAdhAna- pravRuttimen aisA ho jAy aur usamen bhI mumbaIkI pravRuttimen andar AtmAko pahichAnanA, us pravRuttimen kitanA samay vyatIt ho jAy usamense samay khojanA mushkil paDe aisA hai. lekin usamense samay bachAkar kuchh vichAr, kuchh vAnchan, mandir jAnA Adi... pArlA raho vahAn mandir (nahIn hai). .. anek jAtake vikalpa rahe.

mumukShu- yahAn suchArurUpase ruchi rahatI hai, vah mumbaImen nahIn ho sakatA.

samAdhAna- pravRuttikI jAl sab dimAgamen A jAya. ye to gurudevakI sAdhanAbhUmi hai aur sab shAnti (hai). tattvavichArakA mAhol hai. yahAn dUsarI bAt hai. vichAr, vAnchan, kuchh AnA-jAnA rakhe to ho.

muumukShu- mati-shrutako maryAdAmen lAnekI bAt kI aur dRuShTi, us mati-shrut aur dRuShTimen kuchh antar hai?

samAdhAna- mati-shrut hai vah to gnAnakA upayog hai. dRuShTi hai vah samyagdarshanakI paryAy hai.

mumukShu- shraddhAkI?

samAdhAna- hAn, vah shraddhAkI paryAy hai. mati-shrutakA upayog jo bAhar jAtA

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hai, use antaramen lAnA vah nirvikalpa svAnubhUtikI bAt hai. bAhar jo mati aur shrutakA upayog jAtA hai, use sameTakar antaramen lA. isaliye jo upayog bAhar jAtA thA, use antaramen sthir kara. dRuShTi to chaitanya par sthApit kar de ki main chaitanya anAdiananta shAshvat dravya hUn. usakI dRuShTi chaitanya par sthApit karake, phir upayog jo bAhar jAtA hai, us upayogako sameTakar apanI or le A. isaliye vikalpa chhUT jAya. vikalpakI jAl chhUTakar upayog teremen sthApit kar de. vah nirvikalpa svAnubhUtike samayakI bAt hai. upayog bAhar jA rahA hai use antaramen lAye.

mumukShu- yAnI jo mahenat karate hain un sabako lAgU paDatA hai.

samAdhAna- sabako lAgU paDatA hai. samyagdarshanake sanmukh, andar sanmukhatAkI bAt hai. antaramen nirvikalpa svAnubhUti ho us vakta mati-shrutakA upayog apanemen A jAtA hai. isaliye usakA upAy batAyA hai ki jo par prasiddhikA kAraN mati-shrut hai, use apane sanmukh kara. Atma prasiddhi yAnI apanemen sthir kara. isaliye vikalpa chhUTakar svAnubhUti pragaT hogI, aisA kahate hain.

pahale usakI pratIti yathArtha karake, mati-shrutakA upayog bhI tere sanmukh kar de. usakA upAy batAyA hai. samyagdarshan, svAnubhUti hone pUrvakA vah upAy batAyA hai. upAy batAyA hai. nirNay karake main gnAyak hUn, aisI dRuDh pratIti, nirNay karake mati-shrutakA upayog bhI tere sanmukh kara. bAhar, mati-shrutakA par prasiddhikA jo kAraN, dUsarI or jo upayog jAtA hai, use tere sanmukh (kar). tU teremen sthApit kar de, aisA kahate hain.

mumukShu- bahin! usakI ati tIvra ruchi ho tabhI andar dRuShTi ho na. vah ruchi kaisI hotI hai?

samAdhAna- parapadArtha aur vibhAvakI or use ekadam virakti Akar apane svabhAvako grahaN kar letA hai. vah to usakI tIvra ruchi ho to hI ho na, binA ruchi kahAnse ho?

mumukShu- vah ruchikI jAt kaisI hai?

samAdhAna- vah jAt hI alag hotI hai. bhedagnAn karake jo ruchi pragaT ho, yathArtha ruchi, use ruchi kaho, pratIti kaho, yathArtha dRuShTi kaho, vah sab samyagdarshanakI paryAy hai. samyagdarshan hone pUrvakI yathArtha ruchi hai. bhedagnAn karanekI yathArtha ruchi. vibhAvase chhUTakar svabhAvako grahaN karatA hai. vah yathArtha ruch hai.

AtmAkA karanA hai, AtmAkA karanA hai, vah amuk prakArakI ruchi hai. parantu jo svabhAvako grahaN karatA hai vah to yathArtha ruchi hai. .. pahachAn letA hai. yah main

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chaitanya hUn aur yah main nahIn hUn, aise yathArtha bhedagnAn karatA hai.

mumukShu- phir to use apaneAp use andar mArga mil jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- mArga svayam hI khoj letA hai. jo guru dvArA mArga milA hai, vah mArga anusAr antaramense svabhAvako grahaN karatA hai, bhedagnAn karatA hai ki ye shubhAshubhabhAv bhI merA svabhAv nahIn hai. shubh bIchamen AtA hai, parantu chaitanyakA mUl svarUp nahIn hai. isaliye apanA yathArtha svabhAv, jo gurudevane kahA, dev-guru-shAstra jo kahate hain, us anusAr svayam grahaN karake apanA mArga svayam hI andarase khoj letA hai. yah svabhAv hai, yah vibhAv hai usakA lakShaN pahichAn letA hai.

anupam mArga hai, anAdikA anajAnA hai. anAdi kAlase bAhya kriyAmen dharma mAnatA hai, shubhabhAv thoDA kiyA to dharma mAn liyA. lekin vah to puNyabandhakA kAraN hai. muktikA mArga to antaramen rahA hai.

mumukShu- guruke pAs upadesh sune aur samyagdarshan or turanta chAritra jin jIvonko hotA hogA, un jIvonko pahale to ruchi nahIn thI, ek shabda sunane pahale ruchi bhI nahIn thI. phir ekadam aisI ruchi bhI ho gayI, vah to kitanA use bal AtA hogA.

samAdhAna- svabhAv-orakA bala. ruchi arthAt yathArtha pratIti. pratham to jo guru kahate hain use sunatA hai. gurune kyA kahA usakA Ashay grahaN karatA hai. gaharAIse Ashay grahaN karatA hai. us jIvako AtmAkA karanA hai, aisI ruchi hotI hai, parantu jo yathArtha ruchi andar svabhAv grahaN ho, aisI ruchi to andar pahachAn ho tab use hotI hai. parantu vah antarmuhUrtamen sab kar letA hai.

shivabhUti munine antarmuhUrtamen kar liyA. gurune kahA, mAtuSh aur mArUSh bhUl gaye. koI rAg karanA nahIn, dveSh karanA nahIn. vah terA svabhAv nahIn hai. aisA gurukA Ashay thA. vah shabda bhUl gaye. gurune kyA kahA, vah bhUl gaye. vah aurat dAl aur chhilakA bhinna-bhinna karatI thI. mere gurune yah kiyA kahA hai, bhinnatA karanI. ye dAl aur chhilakA bhinna-bhinna hai. vaise yah svabhAv bhinna hai aur vibhAv bhinna hai. aise usane Ashay grahaN kar liyA aur antaramen bhedagnAn ho gayA. puruShArthase bhedagnAn kar liyA. bhedagnAnakI ugratA karate-karate antaramen lInatA baDhI, yathArtha munidashA ho gayI, samyagdarshan ho gayA. yathArtha munidashA ho gayI. antarmuhUrtamen pahunch gaye.

mumukShu- vah to itanA jaldI ho gayA..

samAdhAna- apanA svabhAv hai na. yadi andar puruShArthase pahunche to der nahIn lagatI. aur jo anAdikA abhyAs hai usImen tanIjatA hai to kitanA kAl nikAl detA hai. aur yadi svabhAv grahaN kare to antarmuhUrtamen (ho jAtA hai).

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... usakA ras antaramense Utar jAy aur svabhAvakI mahimA pragaT ho. svabhAv kaise pahachAnamen Aye? us jAtakA yathArtha gnAn, yathArtha samajhan, yathArtha virakti, yathArtha chAritra antaramense yathArtha kaise pragaT ho? ye to abhI bhAvanArUpase ... grahaN kiyA usamen yathArthatA kaise pragaT ho? yathArtha tyAgasvarUp AtmA, yathArtha gnAn, yathArtha darshan, yathArtha chAritra kaise pragaT ho? jo gurudevane batAyA vah mArga grahaN karane jaisA hai. usakI vRuddhi kaise ho?

.. tattvavichAr, mUl rahasya kyA? AchArya, gurudev kyA mArga batAte hain, usakA vichAr karanA, usakA vAnchan karanA, AtmAkI mahimA karanA aur dev-guru-shAstrane jo pragaT kiyA hai, shAstra jo batAte hain, un sabakA vichAr karanA. mArga to.. pahale to mArgakA yathArtha gnAn karanA ki mArga kaisA hai, aise. gnAn karaneke bAd usakA bhedagnAn karanA, usakI pratIt karanA, lInatA karanI. bhItaramen jo jAnanevAlA jo hai vah AtmA hai. ye sharIr kuchh jAnatA nahIn. vikalpa AtA hai, vah bhI kuchh jAnate nahIn, jAnanevAlA bhItaramen alag hai-bhinna hai, usako pahachAnanA. bhedagnAn karanA. main sphaTik jaisA nirmal anAdiananta AtmA hUn.

mumukShu- bhedagnAn karaneke liye, matalab yug aisA hai ki har chIj baDh gayI hai, har jagah par ashAnti hai. to kyA mandiramen hI ho sakatA hai? mandiramen baiThakar hI kar sakate hain?

samAdhAna- nahIn, mandiramen ho sakatA hai aisA nahIn hai. usakA sachchA gnAn karanese hotA hai. mandir to shubhabhAv karanekA, dev-guru-shAstra.. jab AtmAkI pahachAn nahIn hotI hai, to dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA AtI hai, mandiramen jAtA hai, to mandirase nahIn hotA hai. usakA sachchA gnAn karanese hotA hai. usakA vichAr karanA, tattva vichAr karanA, mUl vastu kyA hai? usakA vichAr karanese, usakI lagan lagAye, usakI mahimA kare, jignAsA kare. vibhAvamen kuchh nahIn hai, mere AtmasvabhAvamen sabakuchh hai. aisI pratIt karanese, aisA vichAr karanese hotA hai.

mumukShu- hamArA dhyAn to pal-palamen TUTatA hai. jaise abhI bijalI gUl ho jAy, pankhA banda ho jAy to hamArA..

samAdhAna- lagan honese hotA hai. bAhar lakShya jAnese nahIn hotA hai. lagan lagAnI chAhiye. jaise vibhAvakI lagan hai, vaise AtmAkI lagan lagAnI chAhiye. paramen upayog jAtA hai, vaise svamen upayog lagAnA chAhiye. to ho sakatA hai. bhedagnAn karanese hotA hai.

mumukShu- nishchayamen kaise kUdanA? vyavahArako pakaDane jAy to vyavahAr hI pakaDamen rahatA hai. nishchayakI ArAdhanA karane jAte hain to shuShkatA ho jAtI hai.

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samAdhAna- dhyey nishchayakA rakhanA. vyavahAramense nishchayamen jAnA nahIn hotA. nishchayakI dRuShTi, nishchayakI or pariNati kare to nishchayamen jAya. jo vyavahAramen sarvasva mAnate hain ki vyavahArase hI dharma hotA hai, use to koI avakAsh nahIn hai. parantu vyavahArake sAth dhyey nishchayakA honA chAhiye ki AtmA svayam anAdiananta tattva hai. ye vibhAv svabhAv merA nahIn hai. main chaitanyatattva hUn. aisA andar dhyey, andar aisI dRuShTi, aisI pratIt aisA dhyey honA chAhiye. aisA dhyey rakhakar usamen palaTe. aisA dhyey ho, aisI bhAvanA ho, aisI use khaTak rahatI ho to usamen use palaTanekA avakAsh, puruShArtha shurU ho to hotA hai. vyavahArase nishchay hotA nahIn, parantu usakA dhyey rakhe, us or dRuShTi rakhe, usakI bhAvanA rakhe to use palaTanekA avakAsh hai. vyavahAr to vyavahAr hI hai, parantu usake sAth use dhyey honA chAhiye ki isamen sabakuchh nahIn hai. sarvasvabhUt to AtmAmense shuddha paryAy pragaT hotI hai. ye to shubh to shubh hI hai. parantu usakA dhyey vah honA chAhiye. vah nahIn hotA hai tabatak shubhamen khaDA rahatA hai. us jAtakA gnAn, darshan... bhAvanA karatA rahe. yathArtha gnAn, darshan to chaitanyako grahaN karanese hotA hai. AtmAmeense hI darshan pragaT hotA hai aur AtmAmen gnAn aur AtmAmen chAritra pragaT hotA hai.

mumukShu- chaitanyako grahaN karanemen vAnchan, manan yA satpuruShakA milan, isamen khAs jyAdA upayogI kaun hotA hai?

samAdhAna- sab sAthamen honA chAhiye. vAnchan, manan samajh pUrvak honA chAhiye. AtmA kaise grahaN ho, vah dhyey honA chAhiye. usamen satpuruShakA grahaN, satpuruShakA samAgam, vANI sab sAthamen honA chAhiye. satpuruShakA Ashray... gurudevane kyA kahA hai? kyA mArga batAyA hai? us prakArase apanI vichArakI shailI (honI chAhiye). svayam vichAr kare, AtmAkA svabhAv grahaN karanA, usamen gurudevane kyA kahA hai? usake sAth mel karake svayam Age baDhe. samajhatA hai, gnAnase samajhamen AtA hai, parantu usamen gurudevane kyA mArga batAyA hai, usakA sAthamen rakhakar vichAr kare.

mumukShu- is bAtakI puShTi honeke liye jyAdA ekAnta chAhiye?

samAdhAna- ekAntakI bhAvanA Aye to usamen koI... bhAvanA Aye to ekAnta jyAdA honA hI chAhiye, aisA nahIn, parantu ekAnta ho to use us jAtakA vichAr karanekA, vAnchan karanekA sAdhan banatA hai. parantu ekAnta honA hI chAhiye, aisA nahIn. yogyatA anusAr hotA hai. kisIko vAnchan ruchatA hai, kisIko ekAntamen ruchatA hai, usakI pariNati anusAr (hotA hai). ekAnta ho to vichAr karanekA, manan karanekA, us prakArase jyAdA samay milatA hai.

... darshan, gnAn, chAritra.. munionko chAritrakI bhAvanA hotI hai to ekAntamen chale

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jAte hain. ekAntase hotA nahIn hai, parantu aisI bhAvanA Aye binA nahIn rahatI. vaise jise AtmAkA karanA ho use aisI bhAvanA Aye binA nahIn rahatI. usase banatA nahIn hai, vah karavA detA hai aisA nahIn hai. parantu aisI bhAvanA use AtI hai.

mumukShu- kramamen A paDe udayikA bhAvako Age-pIchhe nahIn kar sakate hain. us vakta is orakA manan, vichAr .. us vakta kyA karanA?

samAdhAna- kramamen A paDe use Age-pIchhe (nahIn hotA). usamen puruShArtha karanA apane hAthakI bAt hai. Age-pIchhe nahIn kar sakatA. jisakI bhAvanA ho vah puruShArtha karake palaT sakatA hai. yadi palaT na sakatA ho to anAdi kAlase koI puruShArtha karake, bhedagnAn karake samyagdarshan prApta hI na ho. vah sab paryAy hain. paryAyako palaTanekA svabhAv hai. vibhAvaparyAyamense svabhAv-or bhAvanA karake svabhAvako grahaN karanA, vah palaTA, jo paryAy is or hai us paryAyako (palaTakar) sva-or dRuShTi karanI vah apane hAthakI bAt hai.

vah kramabaddha puruShArthake sAth juDA hai. akelA kramabaddha hotA hI nahIn, puruShArthake sAth juDA huA kramabaddha hai. us kramabaddhake andar svabhAv, puruShArtha Adi usake sAth juDA huA hai. jisakI puruShArthakI gati.. vibhAv sarvasva lage, vibhAvamense chhUTanA jise ruchatA nahIn hai, usakA kramabaddha aisA hai. jise vibhAv ruchatA nahIn hai aur svabhAv hI ruchatA hai, usakA kramabaddha us prakArakA hotA hai, usake puruShArthakI gati us or hotI hai. puruShArthake sAth juDA huA kramabaddha hotA hai.

mumuukShu- ... niShedh samakitIko vartatA hai aur unako hI khUb arpaNatA hotI hai. aisA kahate the, jise niShedh varte hI use sachchI arpaNatA hai. yah bAt bahut vichitra hai.

samAdhAna- svabhAvamen vah nahIn hai. svabhAvamen use shubhabhAvakA Adar (nahIn hai). vastu sthiti vah nahIn hai, usakI dRuShTimen Adar nahIn hai. ek chaitanyatattvako grahaN kiyA, parantu bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA. isaliye jo shubhabhAvanA Aye,.. use chaitanyakI itanI mahimA hai ki ye chaitanya hI sarvasva angIkAr karane jaisA hai. dUsarA kuchh is jagatamen sArabhUt nahIn hai. ye vibhAv hai vah AtmAkA svabhAv nahIn hai, dukharUp-AkulatArUp hai. to aise svabhAvako jisane prApta kiyA, sampUrNarUpase jo puruShArtha karake svarUpamen lIn ho gaye aur kevalagnAn prApta kiyA aur jo svarUpamen bAr-bAr lIn hote honge aise munivar kShaN-kShaNamen un sabakA use itanA Adar hotA hai. kyonki use svayamko svabhAvakA utanA Adar hai ki ye vibhAv hai vah heyarUp hI hai, merA svabhAv hI AdaraNIy hai. isaliye svabhAv AdaraNIy..

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antargat pariNatimense yathArtha dRuShTi aur yathArtha pratIti aisI huyI hai ki jisane vah pragaT kiyA, us par use utanI hI mahimA AtI hai. shubhabhAv AdaraNIy nahIn mAnatA hai, to bhI shubhabhAvamen jab vah khaDA hai, tab use heyabuddhi (vartatI hai) ki ye merA svabhAv bhinna aur ye vikalpa bhinna hai. to bhI us shubhabhAvamen jo nimitta hain aise dev-guru-shAstra par use mahimA bhI utanI hI AtI hai. kyonki use svabhAvakI utanI mahimA hai aur vibhAv tuchchha lagA hai. isaliye usane jo pragaT kiyA hai aur jo usakI sAdhanA karate hain, us par use mahimA bhI utanI hI AtI hai. usakI mahimAkA kAraN hai ki svayamko svabhAvakI mahimA hai. isaliye jinhonne svabhAv prApta kiyA us par use mahimA, yathArtha mahimA AtI hai.

antar dRuShTimen (aisA hai ki) shubhabhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai, aisA mAnatA hai. usI kShaN bhedagnAnakI dhArA vartatI hai. to bhI use shubhabhAvamen puNya AdaraNIy nahIn hai. shubhabhAvakA ras use bahut paDatA hai aur sthiti kam paDatI hai.

mumukShu- Apane hI bAt kahI thI ki jise apanI mahimA AyI hai, use hI sachche nimittakA pUrI mahimA AtI hai.

samAdhAna- yathArtha apanI mahimA Aye use dev-guru-shAstrakI yathArtha mahimA AtI hai.