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be mitro
vachche gambhIr samvAd
lekhak :– doshI rAmajIbhAI mANekachand
pahelo mitra:– ApaNe AgaL samyak tap sambandhe charchA karI hatI tyAre nIchenA viShayo temAn AvyA hatA:–
(1) ApaNI chhatI shaktie AhArAdi ApaNe chhoDIe te svavashe chhoDayA kahevAy ke kem?
(2) asti ane nAstinun svarUp samajyA vagar jIvanun svarUp yathArtha samajAy nahIn.
(3) samyagdraShTine ja yathArtha tap hoy chhe.
(4) tattvanI vAt pratipAdan thAy tyAre teno badhe paDakhethI vichAr karI nirNay kare to ja
dharmanun yathArtha svarUp samajAy.
(pa) nimitta naimittik sambandh samajavo joIe.
(6) shAstronA artha karavAnI paddhati jANavI joIe.
A viShayomAnthI pahelAn viShay sambandhI vadhAre spaShTatAnI jarUr chhe, em men jaNAvyun hatun.
men te sambandhe keTalAk vichAro karyA chhe, to paN tamArI sAthe charchA thAy to visheSh chokhavaT thAy
em mAnun chhun; mATe tame sammat ho to ApaNe te viShay hAth dharIe.
bIjo mitra:– tame A bAbatamAn ras laI vichAr karo chho mATe tamAre je pUchhavun hoy te khushIthI pUchho.
pahelo mitra:– ApaNane roTalA–pANI badhun maLyun chhe, ane ApaNe roTalA pANI chhatI shaktie chhoDIe to te
svavashe chhoDayA kem na kahevAy?
bIjo mitra:– tame em kahevA mAgo chho ke ApaNe AhAr levA dhAratA hoIe ane bIjun koI aDachaN
nAnkhe ane AhAr na laI shakIe to paravashe AhAr chhoDyo kahevAy; paN ApaNane AhAranI
sagavaD hoy, sharIr sArun hoy ane AhAr ek divas na levAno niyam laIe to svavashe
AhAr na lIdho kahevAy e vAt barAbar chhe.
pahelo mitra:– hA. barAbar hun temaj kahevA mAngun chhun, chovIsh kalAk AhAr nahIn levAnun nakkI karIe, jainadharmI
kuTumbamAn janmyA hoIe, dharma sthAne jaI, guru pAsethI bAdhA laIe to upavAs karyo kahevAy
chhe; ane tene loko tap ane nirjarA kahe chhe. ghaNA upavAs karanArane loko tapasvI kahe chhe; te
badhun svavashe thatun hovAthI nirjarA thAy em ghaNA mAne chhe.
men te sambandhamAn koI vichAr karelo nathI. have te sambandhe manan karI, hun nirNay karavA mAngun
chhun mATe ‘svavashe’ shun kahevAy te tame jaNAvo.
bIjo mitra:– juo bhAI, tame kaho chho tevA upavAso ane niyamo to darek sampradAyamAn thAy chhe, paN tene
to nirjarA na thAy em tame AgaL kahetA hatA, to pachhI jain dharmI kuTumbamAn ApaNe janmyA
ane tevA upavAs karIe to tap nirjarA thAy em mAnavun e nyAy viruddha chhe.
pahelo mitra:– e vAt barAbar chhe. evI mAnyatA to nyAy viruddha chhe, mATe kharun svarUp jaNAvo.
bIjo mitra:– juo bhAI! ‘svavash’ shabda sva+vashano banelo chhe. ‘sva’ no artha pote chhe, ane pote te
AtmA chhe. mATe AtmAne pratham oLakhe, te ja potAne ‘vash’ vartI shake. tethI siddha thayun ke
AtmagnAnIne ja samyak tap hoI shake. AtmAne oLakhe nahIn, oLakhavAno prayatna kare nahIn;
tene samyak upavAs ke tap kem hoI shake. AtmAne oLakhatA na hoy teNe mand kaShAyanA hetuthI
upavAs na karavo em ahIn kahevAno hetu nathI; tIvra kaShAy ne badale mand kaShAy e to ochho
vikAr chhe, tethI teno niShedh karI tIvra kaShAy karo ane gRuddhIpaNun vadhAro em kahevAno hetu hoI
shake ja nahIn. Ato mand kaShAyanA bhAvane dharma na mAnavo–eTale UndhA abhiprAyane–UndhI
mAnyatAne pheravI sAchI mAnyatA karavA mATe A kahevAy chhe.
pahelo mitra:– shubhabhAv chhoDI pApabhAv karavAnun agar to gRudhdhIpaNun vadhArI AhAramAn lIn thaI ashubhamAn
javAnun tame kaho e to bane ja kem? tame je kahesho te upar hun sukShmatAthI manan karIsh eTalI
tamane khAtarI Apun chhun, vaLI