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samAdhAna- ... svabhAvase shuddha hai, paryAy palaT jAtI hai, ashuddhatA Tal jAtI hai. ashuddhatA apanA svabhAv nahIn hai. bAhya nimittake kAraN, apane puruShArthakI mandatAse ashuddhatA hotI hai. us ashuddhatAkA vyay hotA hai aur shuddhatA pragaT hotI hai.

sphaTik svabhAvase nirmal hai. lAl-pIle phUlake kAraN jo pratibimb utpanna hote hain vah pariNaman svayamkA hai, lekin vah sphaTik saphedarUp pariName nahIn, nimittakA (sanyog hai). yah to dRuShTAnta hai.

svayam puruShArtha kare to svayam nirmalatArUp pariName to vah chhUT jAtA hai. vah apanA svabhAv nahIn hai, ashuddhatA hai vah Tal jAtI hai. ashuddhatA Tal jAy aur karma chhUT jAy, donon sAthamen hotA hai.

mumukShu- svAnubhUtimen jab nirvikalpa hotA hai, vah upayog pramANAtmak hai, usakA artha kyA hai? pramANAtmak yAnI?

samAdhAna- pramAN-dravya aur paryAy donon sAthamen hain. gnAn jAnatA hai. gnAn svayamko jAnatA hai, gnAn paryAyako jAnatA hai isaliye pramAN hai. dRuShTi to dravya par hI hai. vikalparUp dRuShTi nahIn hai, apitu nirvikalpa hai. dravya aur paryAy donon shuddha hai, use gnAn jAnatA hai, isaliye pramAN kahate hain.

mumukShu- gnAnakI paryAy ek hI samayamen donon pahalUonko chhadmastha jAn sakatA hai?

samAdhAna- nirvikalpa hai. vah vikalpase nahIn jAnatA hai. ekasAth donon use vedanamen Ate hain.

mumukShu- Ashray hai vah dRuShTikA kArya hai yA gnAn bhI us vakta Ashray ...

samAdhAna- dravyakA Ashray dRuShTibhI letI hai aur gnAn bhI letA hai, donon lete hain. Ashray nA?

mumukShu- hAnjI.

samAdhAna- dRuShTi bhI dravyakA Ashray letI hai aur gnAn bhI letA hai. gnAn dononko jAnatA hai. dRuShTi use gauN karatI hai. dRuShTikI mukhyatA hai. gnAn bhI Ashray to letA

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hai, parantu mukhyapane dRuShTi hai. gnAn bhI Ashray letA hai.

mumukShu- nirvikalpa upayogake vakta dononkA gnAn hotA hai aur gnAnamen dravyakA jor bhI sAthamen rahatA ho.

samAdhAna- vah vikalpAtmak nahIn hai, nirvikalpa hai. jor yAnI vah sahaj hai. dRuShTi aur gnAn sab sahaj hai. dravyakI mukhyatA rahakar paryAy usamen sAthamen rahatI hai. donon sAth hI hai. vah vikalparUp nahIn hai, vah to sahaj hai. usamen Ashray karanA nahIn paDatA. jo Ashray liyA vah sahaj rah jAtA hai. Ashray karanA nahIn paDatA. AshrayakA jor use karanA nahIn paDatA, vah to sahaj hai. jor nahIn karanA paDatA.

... paryAy to paryAyarUp hI hai. use Ashray sahaj rah jAtA hai. jaisA hai vaisA rah jAtA hai. jo Ashray liyA vah sahaj rah jAtA hai. vah Ashray chhUTatA nahIn. use vikalpa karake Ashray nahIn lenA paDatA.

mumukShu- ek hI viShay par ho, usamen dravya-paryAy kahanemen Ate hain, parantu viShay ek hI hai.

samAdhAna- use upayog nahIn denA paDatA. vah to sahaj gnAn rahatA hai. dravya par alag upayog karanA paDe aur paryAyakA alag upayog karanA paDe, aisA nahIn hai. vah to sahaj vedanamen ekasAth A jAte hain. bhinna-bhinna upayog nahIn denA paDatA. vah to pariNatirUp sahaj rah jAtA hai. vikalpAtmak ho to upayog bhinna-bhinna karanA paDe, use vikalpAtmak kahAn hai, sahaj gnAn hai. vah vikalpAtmak nahIn hai ki paryAyakA upayog alag karanA paDe, dravyakA upayog karanA paDe. vah to vedanarUp hai. dravya, guN, paryAy sab use gnAnamen hai, usake vedanamen hai.

vedan paryAyakA hotA hai, lekin yah sab usake gnAnamen hotA hai. sahaj pariNatirUp hotA hai. usamen upayogakI bhinnatA nahIn karanI paDatI. usakI sahaj pariNatimen sab hotA hai. vahAn upayog chhinna-chhinna, bhinna-bhinna nahIn hotA hai.

mumukShu- samajhamen nahIn Aye aisI bAt hai.

samAdhAna- kahAnse samajhamen Aye? vachanase atIt hai, vachanAtIt hai. manase bhI agochar hai. vah upayogakA svarUp, pariNatikA svarUp, vedanakA svarUp, dravya-guN-paryAyakA svarUp vachanAtIt hai, manase agochar hai, vah kaise samajhamen Aye? vah tarkase par hai, kaise samajhamen Aye? tarkamen amuk prakArase Aye. bAkI sab nahIn AtA. AnandakI sthiti Adi sab manase agochar hai.

jaisI siddha bhagavAnakI jAt hai, vaise yah upayogakI khaNDa-khaNDatA yA koI vikalpa vahAn kAm nahIn Ate. jaise siddha bhagavAn jis svarUp pariNamit hue, usakA ansh

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hai, usakI jAti hai. usamen sahaj guN, paryAy pariNamate hain. usamen gnAn, darshan sahaj pariNamate hain. usamen koI vikalpa kAm nahIn AtA, usakI kalpanA kAm nahIn AtI. kalpanAse atIt hai.

mumukShu- isamen tarkase kuchh pakaDamen Aye aisA nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- pRithvI khaNDa-khaNDa ho, aisI kalpanA karake vahAn siddhAnta biThAnA chAhe to baiThe nahIn.

mumukShu- vikalpamen jaisA vichAr kare, vaisA vahAnkA vichAr karate hain.

samAdhAna- vaisA vichAr, vaisA jAnanA, aise kalpanA karane baiThe to vah samajhamen nahIn AtA.

mumukShu- dhyey sahI hogA to sab pahalU apaneAp baiTh jAyenge.

samAdhAna- hAn, dhyey sahI honA chAhiye. yathArtha dhyey ho to sab sahI hotA hai. usakI apUrva AnandakI sthiti, anupam Anandako savikalpake sAth nirvikalpa joDe to aisI bhI mel nahIn baiThatA. vikalpasahitakI sthiti, nirvikalpa sahitakI sthiti, vah sab manase, vachanase sab agochar hai.

ek yathArtha gnAyakako grahaN kare to usamen sab A jAtA hai. ek gnAyakake sivA mujhe kuchh nahIn chAhiye. yah rAg, vikalpa yA yah sab AkulatA hai, usase main bhinna hUn. andar bhinnatAkI shraddhA kar, ek gnAyakako grahaN kare to usamen sab use A jAtA hai. yathArtha dhyey hogA to sab yathArtha hogA. sUkShmamen sUkShma jo bhAv hain, shubhAshubh bhAv merA svarUp nahIn hai. main usase bhinna hUn. aise yathArtha nakkI karake Age baDhe to usamen yathArthatA AyegI. andarase yathArtha nakkI honA chAhiye.

... unakA hai? kamAkA kShay karanA.... jo mokSha padhAre, is mArgase padhAre hain. vartamAn.. vah sab AyA na? bhUt, vartamAn... isI mArgase mokSha padhAre hain. aise hI nivRutta hue...

dravyake Ashrayase paryAy hotI hai, paryAy koI bhinna nahIn hai. gujarAtI samajhamen AtA hai? nahIn samajhamen AtA hai?

mumukShu- pahalI bAr Aye hain, mAtAjI!

samAdhAna- dravya hai, usakI dravyakI paryAy hai. dravya paryAyako pahunchatA hai. dravya pariNaman karake paryAy pragaT hotI hai. aur paryAy dravyako pahunchatI hai. paryAy pragaT hotI hai vah dravyake Ashrayase pragaT hotI hai. dravya pariNaman karake paryAy pragaT hotI hai aur paryAy dravyake Ashrayase hotI hai. isaliye dravya, guN, paryAy abhed hai. koI bhinna-bhinna TUkaDe nahIn hai. usakA vastubhed nahIn hai. lakShaNabhed hai. vastu to ek gnAyak ek hI

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hai. jisamen ananta guN, ananta paryAy hai. dravya pariNaman karake paryAy hotI hai aur paryAy dravyake Ashrayase hotI hai. paryAy dravyako pahunchatI hai, dravya paryAyako pahunchatA hai. aisA gurudev kahate hain.

guNamense paryAy hotI hai, guNake Ashrayase paryAy hotI hai. guN paryAyako pahunchatA hai, paryAy guNako. donon abhed hain. aise TUkaDe nahIn hai. lakShaNabhed hai. gnAn, darshan, chAritra aise lakShaN bhinna-bhinna hai. aisI koI bhinna-bhinna vastu nahIn hai, vastu to ek hI hai. aisA gurudev kahate the.

jaise Am ek hai. usamen harA, pIlA aisA varNa, khaTTA-mIThA ras, aise Am to ek hai. vaise chaitanyamen ananta guN aur paryAy hone par bhI ek hai. vastubhed nahIn hai. aisA koI kahe ki paryAy bhinna rahatI hai, dravya bhinna rahatA hai, vastu donon alag- alag hai, aisA nahIn hotA. ek gnAyakamen ananta hai. chaitanya hai usamen gnAn hai, darshan hai, chAritra hai. gnAn gnAnakA kArya karatA hai, darshan darshanakA, chAritra chAritrakA lekin sab vastumen ek hai. bhinna-bhinna nahIn hai.

mumukShu- pUjya mAtAjI! Arambhamen AtA hai, je jANe arhantane te jANe nij Atmane. ham arihantadevake darshan to man, vachan, kAyAse pratidin karate hain. phir AtmAko jAnanemen kahAn kamI rah jAtI hai? thoDAsA pharamAiye.

samAdhAna- jo arhantako jAne vah AtmAko jAnatA hai, aisA AtA hai. parantu arhantako ... jAnanA chAhiye. arhanta bhagavAnake dravya, guN, paryAy, arhantakA svarUp jAne to apanA svarUp jAnatA hai. aise arhantako pahachAne binA aise hI arhanta bhagavAnako namaskAr karatA hai, arhanta bhagavAnakA Adar karatA hai to shubhabhAv hotA hai, puNyabandha hotA hai, parantu arhantakA svarUp nahIn jAnatA hai to AtmAkA svarUp nahIn jAnatA.

arhantakA svarUp jAnanA chAhiye. arhanta bhagavAn kaun hai? unakA AtmA kaun hai? usamen kyA guN hai? unhonne-arhanta bhagavAnane kyA pragaT kiyA? kaun hai arhanta bhagavAn? aise AtmAko pahachAnanA chAhiye. jo arhantake AtmAke pahachAnatA hai, vah apane AtmAko pahachAnatA hai. jo AtmAko pahachAnatA hai, vah arhanta bhagavAnako pahachAnatA hai. isaliye nishadin bhagavAnako namaskAr karate hain, lekin jAnatA nahIn hai ki bhagavAn kyA hai? bhagavAnakA kyA svarUp hai?

sab AtmA bhagavAn jaise hI hain, parantu bhagavAnako pahachAne to apaneko pIchhAnatA hai. bhagavAnakA svarUp pahachAnanA chAhiye. bhagavAn shuddha svarUp shuddhAtmA, usakA darshan, gnAn, chAritra pragaT karake, sAdhanA karake bhagavAnane kevalagnAn pragaT kiyA. bhagavAn AtmAke Anandamen ramate hain. bhagavAnane pUrNa vItarAg dashA pragaT kI hai. bhagavAnakA svarUp jAne

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tab apane AtmAko jAnatA hai.

bhagavAnakA svarUp jo jAne to apane AtmAko pahachAne binA rahatA hI nahIn. bhItaramense jAnanA chAhiye. aise sab AtmA shuddha svarUp hI hai. shuddhAtmA hai. usamen puruShArtha kare ki main gnAyak hUn, main jAnanevAlA hUn, shuddhAtmA hUn, yah vibhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai. vibhAvase main bhinna hI hUn. merA svabhAv main jAnanevAlA hUn. meremen ananta guN hai. jaise bhagavAnamen hain, vaise meremen hain. aisA vichAr kare to apane AtmAko pahachAnatA hai. usamen svAnubhUti hotI hai. samyagdarshan, gnAn aur chAritra-lInatA karanese hotA hai. bArambAr usamen lIn honese kevalagnAn hotA hai. aise bhagavAnakA svarUp jAne bhItaramense to apanA svarUp pragaT hotA hai.

mumukShu- param pUjya bhagavatI mAtAjI! antim prashna hai ki chhadmasthake liye gnAniyonko sukhakA vedan sarvAngase hotA hai yA niyat pradeshonse hotA hai? sukhakA vedan niyat pradeshonse hotA hai yA sarvAngase hotA hai? chhadmasthake liye.

samAdhAna- vah to AtmAmen hai... shAstramen AtA hai ki jahAn man hotA hai, manake nimittase yahAn hotA hai. vah sarvAngase hotA hai yA amuk pradeshamen hotA hai, yah jAnanekA kuchh prayojan nahIn hai. jo AtmAko jAnatA hai, usako svAnubhUti hotI hai. manake nimittase... man chhUT jAtA hai vikalpa aur nirvikalpa dashA hotI hai. sarvAngase hove yA amuk pradeshase hove, vah to jAnanekI bAt hai. shAstramen jo AtA hai vah hotA hI hai.

mumukShu- Atmadarshanake liye gnAn ekadam tvarAse kaise prApta kar sake?

samAdhAna- prayojanabhUt gnAna. jyAdA jAne, shAstra jyAdA jAne to... gujarAtI samajhamen AtA hai na? jyAdA shAstrakA abhyAs kare, shAstra jAne, aisA kuchh nahIn hai usamen. AtmAko jAne mUl prayojanabhUt ki main ek gnAyak AtmA hUn aur yah vibhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai. aisA bhedagnAn karake antaramen jAy, aisA yathArtha gnAn ho to vah Age jAtA hai. prayojanabhUt gnAna.

mumukShu- bhedagnAn karaneke liye saral upAy...?

samAdhAna- saral upAy, AtmAkI laganI lagAye, jignAsA kare, usakI laganI hove to hotA hai, binA laganIke nahIn ho sakatA. laganI lagAye, main gnAyak hUn. main kaun hUn? merA svabhAv kyA hai? main shAshvat AtmA hUn. anAdiananta dravyamen koI ashuddhatA nahIn hai, paryAyamen ashuddhatA hai. paryAyakI ashuddhatA TAlaneko andar bhedagnAn kare.

bhedagnAn karanekA upAy andar laganI lage, kahIn sAr na lage. sArabhUt AtmA hI hai, bAkI koI sArabhUt nahIn hai. to vah vibhAvase bhinna hue binA nahIn rahatA. vibhAv

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AkulatArUp-dukharUp hai. vibhAvakA lakShaN jAne, gnAnakA lakShaN jAne. gnAn aur vibhAvakA lakShaN jAnakar bhinna paDe. bhinna paDanekI taiyArI.. andar laganI lage, use virakti Aye, svabhAvamen kahIn chain na paDe, svabhAvakI mahimA Aye to hotA hai.

bhedagnAn karaneke liye svabhAvakI mahimA (AnI chAhiye). vibhAvase vairAgya Aye, pratyek vibhAvake prasang ho usase vairAgya, vibhAv pariNatise vairAgya, sabase vairAgya Ave aur AtmAkI mahimA lage aur tattvakA vichAr karake prayojanabhUt gnAn kare to Age jAya. jyAdA jAne to jAy aisA nahIn, prayojanabhUt gnAn to honA chAhiye.

mumukShu- bhedagnAn prApta karaneke liye gnAnIkA sAnnidhya kuchh visheSh nahIn kar sakatA?

samAdhAna- gnAnIkA sAnnidhya kare, lekin antaramen Ashray svayamko lenA chAhiye. nimitta to prabal hai. unakA sAnnidhya to lAbhakA kAraN hai aur usase Age jA sakatA hai. lekin vah sAnnidhya lenevAlA svayam antaramense sAnnidhya le to ho sakatA hai.

mumukShu- antaramense sAnnidhya leneke liye dhyAnamen UtaranA jarUr hai?

samAdhAna- andar sAnnidhya lenemen utanI laganI laganI chAhiye. antaramen, bas, bAkI sab nisAr lage to hotA hai. gnAnIkA sAnnidhya mile... jo gnAnIne prApta kiyA vah mujhe kaise prApta ho? use svayamko laganI laganI chAhiye. sab ras chhUTakar gnAnIke charaNamen (jAye), mujhe kuchh nahIn chAhiye. mujhe ek AtmA chAhiye. aisI andaramen lage to ho sakatA hai.

aur gnAnI jo kahate hain, vah kyA kahate hain? usakA Ashay grahaN karaneke liye apanI utanI taiyArI aur usakA vichAr kare to use sachchA gnAn ho. sachche gnAnake binA Age nahIn jA sakatA. lekin sachchA gnAna. rUkhA gnAn nahIn, apitu sachchA-andar hRuday bhIgA huA ho aur jo gnAn ho, vah kArya karatA hai. gnAnIkA sAnnidhya lAbhakA kAraN hai. lekin svayam andar grahaN karake aisI laganI lagAye, gnAnIke charaNamen (jAye), gnAnI jo kahe vah svayam andar grahaN karatA jAy, to hotA hai.

mumukShu- sachchA gnAn mAne main svayam sva. usamen anubhUti-anubhavakA sAtatya nahIn rahatA...

samAdhAna- usakA kAraN? vah satat nahIn rahatA hai, usakA kAraN apane puruShArthakI mandatA hai. anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye usamen dauDA jAtA hai. dauD anAdi kAlakI hai. usake anupAtamen svayam is or svabhAvakI or utanI dauD nahIn lagAtA. bArambAr, bArambAr... chhUT jAy to bhI bArambAr,.. jo gnAnIne kahA, usakA rahasya grahaN karaneke liye us anusAr pariNati karaneke liye svayam bArambAr prayAs nahIn karatA hai, to kahAn- se ho? vah to chhUT jAtA hai. bArambAr prayAs karanA chAhiye.

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jo gnAnIne kahA ho, usakA rahasya hRudayamen UtAraneke liye bArambAr apane puruShArthakI dauD lagAtA nahIn. to kahAn-se ho? bArambAr ekatvabuddhimen chalA jAtA hai. sharIr, vibhAv Adi sabamen ekatva hotA hai, to bArambAr usase (bhinna paDanekA) prayAs kare to hotA hai. apane netrakI Alasake kAraN harike darshan nahIn kiye. apane netrakI Alasake kAraN svayam hirako nirakhatA nahIn, dekhatA nahIn hai. apanA kAraN hai.

mumukShu- brahmanAd us viShayamen kuchh kahiye. svagnAnamen kitanA...?

samAdhAna- brahmanAd, vah nAd koI AvAj nahIn hai. brahma svarUp AtmA hI hai. brahma svarUp AtmA svayam antaramen jAy, svayam apane svarUpako vede-svAnubhUti kare vah brahmanAd hai. nAd koI bAharase AvAj nahIn AtI. AvAj Aye vah to pudagalakI AvAj hai. brahmanAd yAnI brahmakA antarase vedan ho, svAnubhUti-apanA anubhav ho, usakA nAm brahmanAd hai. nAd yAnI bAharakI AvAj nahIn hai, chaitanyakI AvAj hai. vah koI karNase sunanekI AvAj nahIn hai. usakA vedan ho vah usakA brahmanAd hai.

mumukShu- bAharase to AtA hI nahIn hai, andarase AtA hai. samAdhAna- parantu nAd shabda yAnI vah sunanekA nahIn hai, vah to vedan hai. svarUpakA koI apUrva, anupam, jisake sAth kisIkI upamA nahIn lAgU paDatI hai, aisA jo chaitanyakA brahma svarUp, us brahma svarUpakI anubhUti... ananta svabhAv, ananta guNonse bharA huA jo achintya hai, jo kalpanAse atIt hai, usakI jo anubhUti hai vah brahmanAd hai. usamen vikalpa chhUTakar jo AtmAkI anubhUti hotI hai, vah brahmanAd hai.