Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 127.

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નિશ્ચય સ્વાશ્રિત હૈ ઔર વ્યવહાર પરાશ્રિત હૈ ફિર (વ્યવહારકો) પૂજ્ય કૈસે કહા ગયા હૈ?    0   Play
nishchay svāshrit hai aur vyavahār parāshrit hai fir (vyavahārako) pūjya kaise kahā gayā hai?    0   Play

એકભવસે દૂસરે ભવ પ્રાપ્ત કરનેકે વિષયમેં...    2:05   Play
ekabhavase dūsare bhav prāpta karaneke viṣhayamen...    2:05   Play

વિદેહક્ષેત્રકે સમ્બન્ધિ પૂછા ગયા પ્રશ્ન    10:20   Play
videhakṣhetrake sambandhi pūchhā gayā prashna    10:20   Play

વર્તમાન મુનિ તથા શાસ્ત્ર અનુસાર મુનિ વિષયમેં પ્રશ્ન હૈ    12:10   Play
vartamān muni tathā shāstra anusār muni viṣhayamen prashna hai    12:10   Play

પુનર્જન્મકા જ્ઞાન હો ઉસકે લિયે કોઈ ધ્યાનાદિ આવશ્યક હૈ?    14:35   Play
punarjanmakā gnān ho usake liye koī dhyānādi āvashyak hai?    14:35   Play

સચ્ચા જ્ઞાનકે વિષયમેં પશ્ન હૈ    15:50   Play
sachchā gnānake viṣhayamen pashna hai    15:50   Play

મહાવીર ભગવાન કે વિષયમેં અન્ય સંપ્રદાયકા પઢતે હૈ તબ સિર ભારી હો જાતા હૈ..    17:45   Play
mahāvīr bhagavān ke viṣhayamen anya sampradāyakā parḥate hai tab sir bhārī ho jātā hai..    17:45   Play

પૂજ્ય ગુરુદેવશ્રીએ બધું દીધું છે તે ભોગવવાનું છે.    19:40   Play
pūjya gurudevashrīe badhun dīdhun chhe te bhogavavānun chhe.    19:40   Play

mumukṣhuḥ- svāshrit nishchay aur parāshrit vyavahār hai, to phir nishchay-vyavahārako barābar shāstramen pūjya kaise kahā hai? jabaki vyavahār parāshrit mārga hai aur nishchay svāshrit hai, to svāshrit to pūjya hai, tab parāshrit mārga vyavahārako bhī sāthamen pūjya kahā hai, to kis apekṣhāse?

samādhānaḥ- pūjya hai. gnān, darshan, chāritra ratnatray pragaṭ hote hain, isaliye. sādhakadashā hai, mokṣhakā mārga hai isaliye pūjanik kahanemen ātā hai. dravya to pūjanik hai parantu vyavahār bhī muktike mārgamen vyavahār sāthamen ātā hai.

āchāryadev kahate hain, ham kyā karen? bīchamen ā jātā hai. isaliye vyavahār ātā hai. parantu ratnatray pragaṭ hotā hai isaliye usako pūjanik kahanemen ātā hai. muktikā mārga hai. sādhakadashā hai, muktikā ansh pragaṭ hotā hai isaliye. kevalagnān bhī paryāy hai, .. kahanemen ātā hai. us apekṣhāse. ratnatray pūjanik hai.

antaramense paryāy... apekṣhāse sab bāt ātī hai. koī apekṣhāse kahe ki vyavahār pūjanik nahīn hai, paryāy apekṣhāse pūjanik kahanemen ātā hai. kyoṅki ratnatray hai isaliye. koī apekṣhāse aisā kahe ki... sādhakadashā hai isaliye pūjanaki hai, aisā bhī ātā hai. muniko bhī pūjanik hai. ratnatray pragaṭ huā hai isaliye. to bhī vyavahār hey kahanemen ātā hai, to bhī sāthamen ā jātā hai. shubhabhāv hai, bhed āve to bhed par dr̥uṣhṭi mat kara. bhed par dr̥uṣhṭi mat kar, aisā kahanemen āye. to bhī bīchamen gnān, darshan, chāritrakā bhed to ātā hai. vah ātmākī shuddha paryāy hai...

mumukṣhuḥ- ek jīvanase dvitīy jīvan dhāraṇ karanā, is prakriyāko sahaj shabdommen yānī jain ṭarminolojī hai, jise kahen jain shabdāvali, usake bāhar chhoṭemen ham log kais tarahase samajh aur samajhā sakate hain?

samādhānaḥ- usamen to kyā hai? punarjanma hai to hai. anek jātake janma letā hai dūsare-dūsare sthān par, to punarjanma to hai. koī rājāke ghar jātā hai, koī raṅkake ghar jātā hai, koī jainamen janmtā hai, koī kahān̐ janmtā hai. ek janmamense dūsare janmamen ātā hai to pūrvamen jo pariṇām kiye hain, usakā phal hai. dūsare-dūsare janmamen ātā

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hai to usakā kāraṇ to kuchh hai. aise anyāy nahīn hotā, koī kisīke ghar, koī kisīke ghar jātā hai. ātmā shāshvat hai. usake pariṇāmake phalamen koī rājāke ghar, koī raṅkake ghar janma letā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- bahinashrī! yah to huā karmaphal siddhānta. lekin isakī prakriyā kyā hai? prosesa.

samādhānaḥ- prakriyā kyā hai?

mumukṣhuḥ- yānī yahān̐se ek jīvan samāpta huā aur dvitīy jīv prārambha huā, usake bīchakā jo antarāl hai, usamen ātmā kin sthitiommense gujaratī hai?

samādhānaḥ- antarālamen to usakī gati hotī hai. jaisā usakā pariṇām hotā hai, usake anusār gati hotī hai. usakī prakriyā kuchh dekhanemen nahīn ātī.

mumukṣhuḥ- ek-do samayamen hotā hai. ek-do samay, tīn samaya. meksimama. usamen kyā prakriyā hogī? vahān̐ pahun̐chanemen utkr̥uṣhṭa tīn samay lagate haĩn.

samādhānaḥ- usamen prakriyā ek samayamen, do samayamen vah pahun̐ch jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- jaise kahīn jagah kyā rahatā hai ki nishchit antarāl rahate hain, kuchh taijas sharīrakā bhī... jaise anya darshanommen hai ki taijas sharīr lambe samay tak vidyamān rahatā hai, sūkṣhma sharīr jo hai vah ekadam palāhit ho jātā hai, aisā kuchh?

samādhānaḥ- aisā jainamen nahīn hai. ek samay, do samay, tīn samaya. koī sīdhī gatimen jātā hai, koī ṭeḍhā jātā hai to aisā konā hotā hai. parantu ek, do, tīn samayamen pahun̐ch jātā hai. usamen antarāl nahīn rahatā hai. usake bīchamen kuchh antarāl nahīn hai. ek, do, tīn samayamen pahun̐ch jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- do-pān̐ch mahine tak ghumate hain, aisā kahate hain, aisā nahīn hai. .. amerikāse āye the, .... vah kahate hain ki, anya darshan to chār-pān̐ch mahinā ghumate hain jīv, aisā jainamen nahīn hai. ek, do, tīn samayamen kārmāṇasharīr lekar vahān̐ pahun̐ch jātā hai. audārik sharīr yahān̐ rah jātā hai.

samādhānaḥ- koī pahale hotā hai, koī bīchamen hotā hai, koī tīsare bhāgamen hotā hai. bādamen usakā phal ātā hai. aisā..

mumukṣhuḥ- tīn bhāg rahatā hai, tab.. mumukṣhuḥ- ek to yah siddhānta huā aur āpakā vichār visheṣh is sambandhamen jānatā hūn̐ maĩn. jaisā tīsare bhāgamen hotā hai, main āpase jānanā chāhatā hū̃n. jain siddhāntamen batāyā hai, lekin āpase..

samādhānaḥ- jain siddhāntamen aisā hotā hai. karma prakr̥iti koī dikhāī nahīn detī.

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ātmākī svānubhūtikā anubhav hotā hai ki ātmākā svabhāv hai, ānanda hai, ātmākā bhedagnān kyā hai? sharīr bhinna hai, vibhāv bhinna hai, vibhāv ātmākā svabhāv nahīn hai, ātmā bhinna hai, usakī svānubhūti hotī hai, usakā bhedagnān hotā hai. yah sab ātmāke hāthakī bāt hai. karma prakr̥iti hai vah dikhāī nahīn detī. vah to kevalagnānīke gnānamen pratyakṣha gnānīke gnānamen, avadhignānamen, kevalagnānamen dikhāī detī hai.

jisane aisā svānubhūtikā mārga batāyā, kevalagnānakā mārga batāyā, vah pratyakṣha gnānī jo kahate hain, vah yathārtha hai. usamen koī pheraphār nahīn hotā. aisā yathārtha hotā hai. jagatamen pratyakṣha gnānī hote hain, vītarāgī, jo svānubhūti hotī hai, svānubhūtimen visheṣh- visheṣh līn hote-hote munidashā (ātī hai). usamen antarmuhūrta-antarmuhūrtamen svānubhūtimen līn hote haĩn. aisā hote-hote kevalagnān pragaṭ hotā hai. kevalagnān-pratyakṣha gnān ek samayamen lokālok jān letā hai. ātmāko jānatā hai aur pudagal evan vishvakī samasta vastuoṅko, dravya-kṣhetra-kāl-bhāvako vah jānate haĩn. jānate hain, unake gnānamen jo ātā hai, vahī shāstramen ātā hai.

jo ātmā hai, usamen jo vibhāv hai to koī karma to hai. karma nahīn hai, aisā nahīn hai. ātmākā svabhāv to chaitanya hai, usamen vibhāv (hotā hai), vah ātmākā svabhāv nahīn hai. rāg-dveṣh to duḥkharūp hai. duḥkh ātmākā svabhāv nahīn hai. ataḥ karma hai. vah karma anek jātike hote haĩn. gnānāvaraṇīy, darshanāvaraṇīy (ādi). gnānako bandha kare, darshanako (bandha kare), aise āyuṣhyakā bandha, aise anek jātake karma hote haĩn. usamen anek jātakī ras, sthiti hotī hai. usamen anek-anek prakār hote haĩn. vah sab prakār kaise hote hain, vah pratyakṣha gnānīke gnānamen ātā hai.

samyagdr̥uṣhṭi aur muniko to svānubhūti hotī hai. sabako vah pratyakṣha dekhanemen āve aisā nahīn hotī. usakī svānubhūti pratyakṣha dekhanemen ātī hai. svānubhūtikā vedan hotā hai. karma dekhanemen nahīn āte. karma to kevalagnānī aur avadhignānīko dikhāī dete haĩn. isaliye pratyakṣha gnānīke gnānamen jo āyā vah yathārtha hai. amuk bāt yuktise, dalīlase siddha hotī hai. svānubhūti, vibhāv, usakā karmabandha, paradravya hai. duḥkharūp jo hai vah paradravya hai, vah duḥkhakā nimitta hotā hai. isamen gnānakī shakti.. mūl dravya jo hai usakā svabhāv kṣhay nahīn hotā-ghāt nahīn hotā, parantu usakī shakti aur paryāyommen pheraphār hotā hai to karmabandha (hotā hai). gnān, darshan, chāritrako rokatā hai. aise āyuṣhya, vedanayī, gotra, nām ādi anek prakārake karma hote hain, usamen ek āyuṣhya bandha bhī hotā hai.

jo āyuṣhya kevalagnānīke gnānamen āyā hai ki jīvanake tīsare bhāgamen amuk-amuk

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bhāgommen hotā hai vah yathārtha hai. vah koī pratyakṣha dekhanemen nahīn ātā. chhadmastha usako pratyakṣha nahīn dekh sakatā. yuktise, vichārase (nakkī hotā hai). jo yukti, dalīlamen ātā hai, svānubhavamen ātā hai vah kah sakate haĩn. bākī sab pratyakṣha gnānīke gnānamen jo āyā vah yathārtha hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- bahinashrī! ye jo kārmāṇ skandha rahate hain, jo janma-janmāntar ke liye āyubandha, nām, gotra, antarāy bandha vagairah karate hain, kyā yah bandha karaneke bādamen haṭ jāte hain yā ātmāke sāth punarjanmake sāth ṭrāvel karate hain?

samādhānaḥ- punarjanmake sāthamen vah āte haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- kārmāṇ skandha?

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, kārmāṇ āte haĩn. kārmāṇ sharīr sāthamen jātā hai. jo punarjanmamen jātā hai, usamen kārmāṇ sharīr sāthamen jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- aisā nahīn hai, bahinashrī! ki jo hamāre yahām̐par jaise shātā vedanīy vagairahake kārmāṇ skandha hain, usīko puṇya nām diyā gayā ho aur yahī anya mat-matāntaramen darshan shāstramen taijas sharīrake nāmase kahā gayā ho?

samādhānaḥ- kārmāṇ sharīr dūsarā hai, taijas sharīr dūsarā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- kārmāṇ sharīrakā ek bhāg, 148mense ek taijas bandha hotā hai. sab taijas sharīr..

samādhānaḥ- kārmāṇ karmakā sharīra. aur taijas sharīr to dūsarā hotā hai. audārik, taijas, vraikiyak vah sharīr nahī̃n. kārmāṇasharīr to karma,... vah pūrva bhavamen jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ek aur (prashna hai), bahinashrī! jaise āj hamalog mānate hain ki videhakṣhetramen tīrthaṅkar bhagavān vidyamān haĩn. to āj videhakṣhetramen tīrthaṅkar bhagavānakī vidyamānatāko lekarake ek sādhāraṇ shabdommen kaise kahā jā sakatā hai ki vahān̐kī bhāṣhā, vahān̐kī bhāvanā, vahān̐ke vichār, vahān̐ke rahaneke taur-tarīke vagairahake bāremen kahīn āpako kuchh anveṣhaṇamen milā ho, aisā āpake anubhavamen āyā ho, yā āpane paḍhakar usapar adhik manan karake aur kuchh nishchit dhāraṇā banāyī ho ki videhakṣhetramen vartamānamen is prakārakī sthiti chal rahī hai.

samādhānaḥ- videhakṣhetramen bhagavān sākṣhāt virājate hain, unakī divyadhvani chhūṭatī hai, samavasaraṇamen bhagavān virājate haĩn. vītarāg ho gaye hain to bhī vāṇī chhūṭatī hai. videhakṣhetramen ek dharma chalatā hai, dūsarā dharma nahīn hai. bhagavān jo dharma kahate hain, vah ek hī dharma chalatā hai. is pañchamakālamen dūsare, dūsare, dūsare dharma hain, aise dharma nahīn hai. ek dharma-jain dharma chalatā hai, dūsarā koī dharma nahīn chalatā hai.

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mumukṣhuḥ- ek bāt hai, chūkī āp aur main, āp shraddhānī hai, main āpakī bātamen shraddhān karatā hūn̐, lekin anya ādamī ise kyon mān le? kaise mān le? usako manavānekā koī ādhār?

samādhānaḥ- vah māne yā na māne, sabakī yogyatā. jisakī jignāsā hove vah mān sakatā hai, jisakī yogyatā nahīn hove (vah nahīn mānatā). jisako ātmākā kalyāṇ karanā ho, vah vichār karake mān le. aur nahīn māne to usakī yogyatā. nahīn māne to kyā kare? apane ātmākā kalyāṇ karanā hai, dūsarā māne to māno, nahīn māne to nahīn māno.

mumukṣhuḥ- ek aur shaṅkā hai, bahinashrī! āj jo muni paramparā āj jaisī bhī chal rahī hai aur jaisī muni paramparā shāstroṅke anurūp hai, is donoṅke jo antar hai, un antarakī jo dūriyān̐ hain, vah kabhī miṭegī? yā jaisā āj yah samānāntar munirūp chal rahā hai aur dūsarā jo samayasāramen muniyoṅke guṇ vagairahakā vivechan kiyā gayā hai, inamen ye dūriyān̐ banī hī rahegī aur ham log bhaṭakate raheṅge? ki samayasāramen jo praṇīt munisvarūp hai, vaise muni ḍhūn̐ḍhate rahe, hamen nahīn mile aur vah muni log jo āj hai, vah kahate hain ki ham jaise hain vaise hī samayasārake anurūp hai aur ham isake bīch hī bīch ḍolate raheeṅge, isakā bhī koī rastā lagegā ki nahīn lagegā?

samādhānaḥ- apane ātmākā kalyāṇ kar lenā. vah kyā hogā, yah to pañchamakāl hai. ... pahale thā, ab to pañchamakālamen huā hai. usamen pheraphār-pheraphār chalatā rahatā hai. koī bhāvaliṅgī muni, aisā kāl ā jātā hai to bhāvaliṅgī bhī ho jātā hai, koī aisā kāl ātā hai to mātra kriyāmen dharma mānate hain, aisā bhī ho jātā hai. aisā kāl āyā to...

gurudev jaise yahān̐ hue saurāṣhṣhṭramen, ki jinhonne ātmākī svānubhūtikā mārga batāyā. aisā bhī kāl ā gayā. sachchā dharma batāyā. gurudev virājate the, unhonne sachchā ātmākā mārga batāyā, aisā bhī (kāl) ā gayā. yah to pañchamakāl hai to aise pheraphār-pheraphār chalate hī rahate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- to sambhāvanā nahīn hai? jis prakārase āchārya kundakundadevane samayasāramen jis prakārase muniyoṅkā varṇan kiyā hai, aise munidharmakī sambhāvanā āp is pañchamakālamen āp nahīn mānatī hai, aisā?

samādhānaḥ- kabhī koī aisā kāl ā jāy to ho bhī sakate haĩn. aisā kāl āye to ho bhī jāya. vaise to pañchamakālake ākhiramen muni, arjikā, shrāvak, shrāvikā hote haĩn. achchhā kāl hove, ā jāy to ho bhī sakate haĩn. nahīn hove aisā kahān̐

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hai? koī bīch-bīchamen ho bhī jāya.

mumukṣhuḥ- ek aur prashna hai, bahinashrī! punarjanmake sambandhamen kisī vyaktivisheṣhakī jānakārī yā ekadam apaneāp gnān ho jānā, isake liye koī khās dhyān, chintavan vagairah āvashyak hai yā apaneāp ho jātā hai?

samādhānaḥ- punarjanmakā kyā karanā? apane ātmāko pahachān lenā. ātmā gnānasvarūp gnāyak chaitanya svarūp main hī hū̃n. aur sharīr main nahīn hūn̐, paradravya hai. ātmā chaitanyatattva gnānasvarūp hai, jaḍ kuchh jānatā nahīn hai. main jānanevālā hū̃n. rāg-dveṣh, saṅkalpa-vikalpa merā svarūp nahīn hai. main bhagavān jaisā hū̃n. aisā bhedagnān karake ātmākā svarūp pahachāno. bākī punarjanmakā gnān hove, yā na hove, aisā nahīn hai ki usase bhavakā abhāv ho sakatā hai.

bhavakā abhāv to ātmāko pahachānanese hotā hai. isaliye ātmāko pīchhāno, ātmākī jātiko pahachāno. ātmā anādiananta shāshvat hai usako pīchhāno. aisā gurudev kahate hain, aisā shāstramen ātā hai, ātmāko pīchhāno. gnāyak ātmāko.

mumukṣhuḥ- jain sthānakake bāremen, bahinashrī! yah dhyān jo hai, vah kis prakriyāse prārambha kiyā jāve? ātmāmen gaharā ūtaranekī bāt to āp pharamāte hain, magar usakī a, ba, ka, kha jo bārakhaḍī, varṇamālā hai, vah kyā hai? kahān̐se shurū kare?

samādhānaḥ- pahale sachchā gnān hotā hai, bādamen sachchā dhyān hotā hai. sachchā gnān, ātmāko jāne ki merā svabhāv kyā hai? merā svabhāv kyā? merā astitva kyā? merā dravya-guṇ-paryāy kyā hai? sabako jāne bādamen usamen ekāgra honā. to dhyān hotā hai. jāne binā ekāgra kis chījamen hogā? jānatā nahīn hai ki main kaun chaitanya hūn̐ aur dhyān kahān̐ karegā? vikalpakā dhyān hogā. main chaitanya hūn̐, nirvikalpa tattva hūn̐, aisā bhītaramense gnān (kare).

jaise bhagavānakā ātmā hai, vaisā main hū̃n. aise chaitanya svabhāvako pahachānese usamen ekāgra honese, bārambār ekāgra hove, bārambār ekāgra hove. yah vikalpa main nahīn hūn̐, main chaitanya hūn̐, bārambār ekāgra hove to dhyān hotā hai. parantu gnān karanese dhyān hotā hai. mūl prayojanabhūt gnān to honā chāhiye. jyādā shāstrakā gnān hove aisā nahīn, parantu prayojanabhūt tattvako to jānanā chāhiye.

jaise shivabhūti muni kuchh jānate nahīn the. lekin main bhinna aur yah bhinna hai. vah aurat dāl aur chhilakā bhinna karatī thī ki yah chhilakā bhinna hai, dāl bhinna hai. aise main chaitanya bhinna hūn̐, aisā thoḍā bhī gnān bhītaramense honā chāhiye. bādamen sachchā dhyān ho sakatā hai.

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mumukṣhuḥ- vyaktigat jīvanake bāreemen digambar shāstrommen kam milatā hai aur anya shāstrommen jo milatā hai, usako paḍhanese māthā ekadam garam ho jātā hai. jaise ki kalpasūtramen hai yā bhagavatī sūtramen hai, jo kuchh mahāvīrake jīvanake bāremen milatā hai, kyoṅki bahinashrī use khūb paḍhā hai. to usako paḍhanese māthe nasen jo hain jhanajhanā jātī hai ki yadi agar yah mahāvīr hai to vāstavik mahāvīr koī aur hogā, yah sab bhrāntiyān̐...

samādhānaḥ- .. kuchh nahīn hai. yathārtha hove, bas itanā... munidashāmen .. jūṭhā grahaṇ nahīn karanā. thoḍā hove to thoḍā, parantu yathārtha grahaṇ karanā. shvetāmbar, sthānakavāsī the. gurudev saurāṣhṭramen aise pragaṭ hue ki unase sachchā dharma pragaṭ huā.

mumukṣhuḥ- aisā lagatā hai ki lokāchār, jinadatta sūrī...

samādhānaḥ- yathārtha mārga (grahaṇ karanā). koī sampradāy, vāḍā kisīko grahaṇ nahīn karake, sachchā dharma pragaṭ kiyā. bahut takalīph huyī to bhī sachchā mārga pragaṭ kiyā.

mumukṣhuḥ- āshīrvādasvarūpamen bahut prāpta kiyā. bahinashrī! āj āpakā svāsthya achchhā nahīn hote hue bhī āpane hamen udabodhan diyā, ham par baḍī kr̥upā karī. hamāre liye to.. gurudevako bhī hamane dekhā nahīn hai, to gurudevakī paramparāko dekhakar hī samajh rahe hain ki āj gurudevake charaṇommen ā gaye haĩn.

samādhānaḥ- (gurudev) to koī aur hī the. sonagaḍhamen to unakī vāṇī... nidhi pāmīne jan koī nij vatane rahī phaḷ bhogave, tem gnānī parajan saṅg chhoḍī, gnān nidhine bhogave. gurudevake pās itanī vāṇī sunane milī, gurudevane sab diyā. gurudevane mārga batāyā, itane shāstra samajhāye. jo denā thā vah sab gurudevane diyā. ab andar ātmākā karane jaisā hai. ekāntamen rahakar aur apanā svādhyāy karake ātmākā kar lene jaisā hai. gurudev hī hai aur gurudevane is pañchamakālamen sab diyā hai.

shāstramen to aisā ātā hai, nidhi pāmīne jan koī nij vatanamān rahe. aisā hai, lekin nidhi arthāt antarakī nidhi. gnānījan parajan saṅg chhoḍī, gnānanidhi bhogave arthāt chaitanyanidhiko bhogatā hai. apane aise shubhabhāvamen artha lete the. gurudevake pās.. antaramakā pragaṭ ho vah to alag hī bāt hai. artha to usamen hai, shāstrakā artha vah hai. gnānanidhiko tū ekāntamen bhoga. terī gnānanidhikī sādhanā kar, chaitanyakī. parantu gurudevase jo milā hai, barason tak sānnidhyamen (rahakar), use tū ab andar (ūtār).

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho! mātājīnī amr̥ut vāṇīno jay ho!

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