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mumukShuH- bahin! ham jaise bAlo.nkI mA.Ng nikAlate hai.n, vaise Ap jaD aur chetanako barAbar lAInase dekh sakate ho? sharIr aur AtmAko aise hI (dekhate ho)? Apane jo bhedaj~nAn aur khaTakA kahA na, usakI bahut khaTak lag gayI. isaliye vah bAt mai.n Apako phirase pUChatI hU.N. jaise ham bAl banAte hai.n to hamArI mA.Ng dikhatI hai, vaise?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vaise hI bhinna dikhatA hai. jaise yah makAn bhinna aur yah bhinna hai, vaise hI bhinna dikhatA hai.

mumukShuH- Apako itanA sab dikhatA hai, to Apake pAs AnevAlo.nme.n unake orA parase Apako jarUr khyAlame.n AtA hogA ki kaun-sI vyakti kis jij~nAsAse AtI hai? athavA to aise hI AtI hai? athavA usakA kyA hai? vah to Apako khyAlame.n AtA hogA.

samAdhAnaH- usakI jij~nAsA kaisI hai usakA to khyAl A jAya. lekin usake jIvanake sAth kyA prayojan hai.

mumukShuH- nahI.n, hame.n prayojan nahI.n hai, lekin Apako khyAlame.n A jAy ki ye kyA hai?

mumukShuH- vah to Apako AtmAkI dR^iShTise hI dekhe.nge. Ap kisI bhI...

mumukShuH- aisA nahI.n kahatI hU.N, mai.nne jo kahA vah samajh gaye hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- pUrva bhavakA Ap kahate ho to..

mumukShuH- nahI.n, mai.n aisA nahI.n kahatI hU.N. ham Apake pAs Aye tab orA kahate hai.n na, jo Apako dikhAI de ki is vyaktikI chetanA, is vyaktikA AtmA kyA hai?

samAdhAnaH- itanA khyAl Aye ki ApakI dR^iShTi kahA.N hai, vah to khyAlame.n A jAtA hai ki Ap kisI dR^iShTime.n ho.

mumukShuH- to hame.n Ap thoDA IshArA dIjiye.

samAdhAnaH- Age abhI bahut baDhanA bAkI hai. abhI to bahut samajhanA bAkI hai. samajhanA bAkI hai. pUrvabhavakI jo bAte.n hai.n, vyaktigat to (kuCh kahatI nahI.n hU.N),

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phir bhI kahA gurudev rAjakumAr (the), utanA bhI bAhar nahI.n bolatI. sab gurudev kahate the.

mumukShuH- hamako kokilAbahinane kahA ki Apako dekhA to bole.

samAdhAnaH- jij~nAsA rakhate ho. bAkI samajhanA to bahut hai, samajhanA bahut bAkI hai. andar bahut karanA bAkI hai.

mumukShuH- ApakI ek dR^iShTi paD jAy to koI dikkat nahI.n. phir kyA dikkat hai? kahate hai.n na ki itanI rUI ho use nikAlate-nikAlate mar jAy, lekin tinakA girA to phaT jAya. jyAdA kyo.n? phaTakA lag jAy to koI jyAdA der nahI.n lagegI. der nahI.n lagegI, khaTak lag jAyagI. Ap hame.n AshIrvAd dIjiye. hame.n AshIrvAd chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- sachchI jij~nAsA ho to usakA puruShArtha kiye binA rahatA hI nahI.n. apanI jij~nAsA sachchI honI chAhiye. andarase lagan laganI chAhiye.

mumukShuH- bas, AshIrvAd dIjiye ki hamArA sab achChA ho jAya.

samAdhAnaH- achChA ho jAy, jij~nAsA ho use achChA hI hotA hai. bhale puruShArtha kam ho, lekin sa.ntoSh hai ki mArga yah hai.

samAdhAnaH- .. isaliye kahI.n shAnti nahI.n hai. yahA.Nse vahA.N kare, aisA kare, kahI.n shAnti nahI.n hai. kitanA sa.ntoSh hai. mujhe to aisA kahanA thA ki usane to kuCh grahaN bhI kiyA hai, lekin Ap sab to anishchit ho. ... j~nAn karaneko kahate hai.n, samajhanA kahate hai.n. lekin mArga hI vah hai. samajhe binA andar dhyAn kaise hogA? samajhe binA. sachche j~nAn binA dhyAn kaise hogA? sachchA mArga batAnevAle milanA mushkil hai. jIvako karanA hotA hai, lekin jAnatA nahI.n.

... puruShArtha chAlU kiyA to abhI mujhe pUChate hai.n, Ap.. bhUmikA kitanI vikasIt ho jAy, kitane sAl ho gaye. usake pahale jij~nAsAkI bhUmikA thI. .. umrame.n jij~nAsAkI bhUmikA thI. mai.nne kahA, pratham bhUmikA to vikaT hI hotI hai. ... phir ek prashnake bAd dUsarA prashna. ChoTIpIparame.n charaparAIke (liye) ghisanA hI paDe. chaneko seke to andarase svAd Aye. bAra.nbAr usake pIChe paDanA chAhiye. pIChe paDe binA kuCh hotA nahI.n. ...

hindustAname.n sab muni bhI kriyAme.n paDe the. sab kitane... mArgake liye prayatna karatA hai. puruShArtha kare to andar vishvAs to Aye ki sachche dev-guru mile aur mArga hame.n andarase sachchA milA hai. ruchi sachchI hai. itanA bhI sa.ntoSh (ho). ye to koI sa.ntoSh nahI.n, abhI bhI gote hI khAte hai.n. ... duHkh lage to apanI or jAya.

mumukShuH- duHkh lagatA hai isaliye svarUpakI ruchi shurU huyI?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, ruchi shurU huyI.

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mumukShuH- kyo.nki vibhAvakI ruchime.n duHkh nahI.n lagatA thA.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, usame.n duHkh nahI.n lagatA thA. svabhAvakI ruchi ..

mumukShuH- yah usakA dUsarA pahalU hai.

samAdhAnaH- svabhAvakI ruchi hotI hai to usame.n duHkh lagatA hI hai.

mumukShuH- duHkh lagatA hai kyo.nki svabhAvakI ruchi shurU huyI.

samAdhAnaH- .. vedan ho bAdame.n alpa asthiratA rahatI hai. parantu pahale to use ruchi ho isaliye duHkh to laganA chAhiye. phir kitanA lage, vah usakI ugratA par nirbhar karatA hai. kahA.N-kahA.N bechAro.nne mArga mAn liyA ho, aisA ho jAtA hai. pa.nchamakAlake mahAbhAgya, gurudevane yah mArga batAyA. bAkI sab kahA.N-kahA.N aTake the.

mumukShuH- vah kahe, hame.n sachche guruko pahichAnanA kaise? Ap bAra.nbAr kahate ho... A.Nkhame.n A.Nsu A gaye the.

samAdhAnaH- ek sadaguru milane chAhiye. deshanAlabdhime.n aisA AtA hai. ek bAr pratyakSha guru yA dev, sajIvanamUrti mile to jIv andarase jAgR^it hotA hai. aisA upAdAn- nimittakA sambandha hai.

samAdhAnaH- .. unake gIt aur sab,.. sabakA hR^idayakA bhed ho jAy aisA to unakA vairAgya thA. AtmA kitanA andar samIp ho gayA hai. gurudev bhI kahate the ki ... mokShagAmI ho. gurudev kahate the. log kuCh samajhe nahI.n.

mumukShuH- aise harigIt banAye hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- samayasArakI, samavasaraNakI, vah mAnasta.nbhakI. unako ruchatA nahI.n thA phir bhI harigIt kaisA banAyA hai! ek sa.nskR^it TIkA nahI.n hai, isaliye merese yah nahI.n ho rahA hai. TIkA sa.nskR^it...

.. baiThe the aur hi.nmatabhAI gAte the. hi.nmatabhAI kyA gAte the! aise bhAvase gAte ho na, isaliye gurudevako aisA lagatA. hIrAbhAIke ba.ngaleme.n... hi.nmatabhAI naukarI karate the. kyA kare.n? Ap to vahA.N naukarI (karate ho), nahI.n to Ap jaiseko to yahI.n rakh le.n. samayasAr bhI nahI.n likhA thA. usase pahale bhI, ... Ap jaiseko to yahA.N rakh lenA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- anubhav kaise ho?

samAdhAnaH- AtmAkA svarUp pahichAnakar AtmA bhinna hai, usakA bhedaj~nAn karake j~nAyakako pahichAnakar usame.n ekAgratA ho, ekAgratAkI visheShatA ho vah dhyAn hai. dhyAn yAnI ekAgratA. AtmAko pahichAnakar bhedaj~nAn karake usame.n ekAgratA, ekadam ugra ekAgratA karanese svAnubhUti (hotI hai).

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mumukShuH- ekAgratA aise to nahI.n ho jAtI na? bahut baraso.nkA abhyAs ho, dhyAnakA Ala.nban ho, bAdame.n hotA hai na? bolanese yA kahanese to nahI.n hotA na?

samAdhAnaH- ekAgratA hai vahI dhyAn hai. usakA ugra abhyAs karanese hotA hai. usakI ugratA ho to bahut jIvo.nko a.ntarmuhUrtame.n hotA hai. kisIko abhyAs karate-karate baraso.n nikal jAte hai.n. aur kisIko thoDe mahino.nme.n ho jAtA hai. usakA abhyAs jaisI ugratA ho us anusAr hotA hai.

mumukShuH- bahinajI! abhI Apane kahA ki anubhUtise jAtismaraN hotA hai. parantu jAtismaraN j~nAn to hamane bahuto.nke viShayame.n sunA hai ki unako bachapaname.n huA.

samAdhAnaH- anubhUtise hotA hai aise nahI.n, anubhUtise hotA hai aise nahI.n hotA hai. anubhUti nahI.n bhI ho to bhI jAtismaraN to bahuto.nko hotA hai. bahuto.nko hotA hai. parantu bhavakA abhAv to anubhUtise hotA hai.

mumukShuH- hA.N, vah to ThIk hai.

samAdhAnaH- anubhUti ho vahA.N yah j~nAn hotA hI hai aisA niyam nahI.n hai. anubhUti nahI.n hove to bhI vah j~nAn to bahuto.nko hotA hai. bahuto.nko hotA hai. anubhUtike sAth vah hotA hai to hotA hai.

mumukShuH- ... vaise to ham sab dharmame.n jAy to aisA lage ki sabhI dhamAme.n ...man ho jAya. koI dUsare derAsarame.n jAye.n to vahA.N bhI Dhok denekA man ho. .. vahA.N jAye to vahA.N bhI aisA hotA hai. aisA hotA hai ki satya kyA hai? vah samajhame.n nahI.n AtA. jahA.N jAye vahA.N Dhok denekA man ho. vaiShNavake mandirame.n jAye.n to aisA ho ki ye bhagavAn hai.n to inako bhI...

samAdhAnaH- andar nakkI nahI.n huA ho isaliye.

mumukShuH- .. sachche dev-guru-shAstra yahI hai, aisA nirNay nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- isaliye jahA.N bhI jAye vahA.N sab bhagavAn .. lage isaliye har jagah (mAthA TikA dete hai.n). usake liye karanA kyA?

samAdhAnaH- muktikA mArga kyA hai? AtmAko pahichAnanekA prayatna karanA. AtmA bhinna hai. sharIr tattva bhinna hai aur AtmA bhinna hai. AtmA jAnanevAlA hai, AtmA j~nAyak hai. AtmAme.n Ananda hai. ye vibhAv vikalpa hai vah AtmAkA svarUp nahI.n hai. aisA AtmAkA svarUp jo batAte ho.n aur aisA bhedaj~nAnakA mArga jo spaShTa karake batAte ho.n, vah dev-guru-shAstra sachche hai.n. unho.nne jaisI sAdhanA kI ho, vah dev, vah guru aur vah shAstra sachche hai.n.

AtmAkA svarUp pahichAnaneme.n jo nimitta banate hai.n, jo sAdhanAme.n nimitta bane. hotA

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hai apane upAdAn hai, parantu usame.n jo nimitta ho, vahI sachche dev, vahI sachche guru aur vahI shAstra hai. bAkI Upar-Uparase to lage ki sab dharmakI bAt (karate hai.n). parantu andar AtmAkA svarUp kyA hai? AtmA bhinna, andar AtmA vikalpase bhinha, ata.nr AtmAme.n svAnubhUti ho, kis mArgase hotI hai? vah sab kisane pragaT kiyA hai? jisane pragaT kiyA ho aur jo mArga batAte ho, vah dev, vah guru aur vah shAstra (hai.n). vah hone chAhiye.

use dR^iDhatA aisI ho ki satya kyA hai? is jagatame.n satya kyA hai? sachchA svarUp kyA hai? kis mArgase AtmAko mukti mile aur AtmAkA svabhAv aur svabhAvame.nse shAnti mile? aisI dR^iDhatA karake phir AtmAkA sachchA svarUp hai. AtmAkA svarUp jo batAte ho, vah sachche dev-guru-shAstra hai.n.

aur bhavakA a.nt karaneke liye AtmAko pahichAnanA, AtmAkA abhyAs karanA. usake liye abhyAs, shAstrakA vA.nchan, dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA. lekin vah dev kaun? guru kaun? usakI pahichAn karanI paDe. aur AtmAkA svarUp j~nAyak-jAnanevAlA hai. use spaShTarUpase batAnevAlA hai? jo spaShTa batAye aur usakI jisane sAdhanA kI, vahI dev-guru-shAstra (sachche hai.n). aur andar AtmAko pahichAnanekA prayatna karanA. ye sab AkulatA svarUp hai bAhar to. a.ntarame.n sukh hai, a.ntarame.n shAnti hai. a.ntar dR^iShTi karake AtmAko pahichAnanekA prayatna karanA.

mumukShuH- ..Apake darshan karatI rahatI hU.N. shAnti lagatI hai.

samAdhAnaH- puruShArtha svaya.nko karanA hai. puruShArtha manda hai. mArga gurudevane batAyA, usakI ruchi ho. parantu puruShArtha to svaya.nko karanA hai. usIkA abhyAs karate rahanA, bAra.nbAr AtmAko pahichAnanekA. AtmA j~nAyak hai. pratikShaN usakA chi.ntavan karanA. gurudevane kahA na? ChoTIpIparako ghisane par andarase charaparAI (pragaT hotI hai). AtmAkA jo svarUp hai usakA abhyAs karatA rahe. AtmAkA svarUp j~nAyak hai, use pahichAnanekA prayatna kare. usakI lagan lagAnI. kA.Nch kaun hai aur hIrA aur ratna Adi kyA hai? usakI parIkShA karanI paDe. svaya.n vichAr karake nakkI kare. bAharame.n to kare, parantu a.ntarame.n karanekA hai. AtmA kaun hai? use darshAnevAle kaun hai?

gurudevane koI apUrva svarUp batAyA hai. aur andar AtmA bhI apUrva aur AtmA anupam hai. use pahichAnanekA prayatna karanA. manan, chi.ntavan, usakI mahimA Adi (karate rahanA). puruShArthakI mandatA (hai). utanI taiyArI na ho isaliye ye sab sAdhan dikhAI dete hai.n, vahA.N ruchi ho jAtI hai. vahA.N aise sAdhan nahI.n hote. isaliye usIkA bAra.nbAr gholan karate rahanA.

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(ananta kAlame.n aisA) manuShya bhav mile, usame.n aise guru milanA mahA durlabh hai, is pa.nchamakAlame.n sachchA mArga batAnevAle. mArga gurudevane batAyA. a.ntarame.nse svaya.n ruchi karake, nakkI karake puruShArtha karane jaisA hai.

mumukShuH- gurudevako dekhe to aisA ho ki das sAl tak,.. gurudevakA svAsthya to apanese bhI achChA hai. to apane do-pA.Nch sAl khI.Nchate hai.n, aur phir ArAmase baiThe.nge. aisA kar-karake ham rah gaye.

samAdhAnaH- jij~nAsuko aise vAde nahI.n hote.

mumukShuH- vahI kahatA hU.N, usIme.n pIChe rah gaye. isIliye abhI duHkh hotA hai.

samAdhAnaH- ab usakA smaraN, raTan karate rahanA, gurudevane batAyA usakA.

mumukShuH- vachanAmR^itame.n sa.nskArakI bAte.n bahut AyI hai.n. sa.nskAr kaise Dale?

samAdhAnaH- bAra.nbAr usakA abhyAs karate rahanA. bAra.nbAr jo gurudevane mArga batAyA usakA bAra.nbAr chi.ntavan, usakA manan, usakI mahimA, usakI lagan, bAra.nbAra. satsa.ng, shravaN, manan bAra.nbAr (karanA). jaise ChAChame.n makkhana. use bilote-bilote makkhan bAhar AtA hai. bAra.nbAr usakA ma.nthan karate rahanA. jo gurudevane batAyA usakA.

bAra.nbAr puruShArtha (karanA), mai.n chaitanya bhinna hU.N, yah bhinna hai. parantu usake liye kitanI taiyArI karanI, bAra.nbAr usakA (prayatna kare). bAharake nimitta dev-guru-shAstrakA sAnnidhya mile, unakA satsa.ng, shravaN, manan vah sab bAra.nbAr karate rahanA. to bAra.nbAr usake sa.nskAr dR^iDh ho. ruchiko bAra.nbAr tIvra ho aisA karate rahanA. anAdikA abhyAs hai. puruShArtha karake badalate rahanA. bAra.nbAr vah karate rahanA. jitanA samay mile utanA karate rahanA.

mumukShuH- gurudevakI Tep, yahI vA.nchan, yahI karatI hU.N. phir bhI mujhe aisA lagatA hai ki... Apake darshan karatI rahatI hU.N.

samAdhAnaH- puruShArtha svaya.nko karanekA hai. puruShArtha manda hai. mArga gurudevane batAyA usakI ruchi ho, parantu puruShArtha svaya.nko karanA hai. usIkA abhyAs karate rahanA, bAra.nbAr AtmAko pahichAnanekA. AtmA j~nAyak hai. pratikShaN usakA chi.ntavan karanA. gurudevane kahA na? ChoTIpIparako ghisane par andar.. vaise AtmAkA jo svarUp hai usakA abhyAs karate rahanA. AtmAkA svarUp j~nAyak hai, use pahichAnanekA prayatna karanA. usakI lagan lagAnI.