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samAdhAnaH- ... do tattva bhinna hai.n. chaitanyatattva bhinna hai aur yah jaD tattva bhinna hai. do dravya hI bhinna haiai.n. dravyako bhinna-bhinna jAne, usakA bhedaj~nAn kare to atarame.n use jo ekatvabuddhi hai, us kAraNase use jo AkulatA hotI hai, vah AkulatA ChUT jAya. AkulatAsvarUp AtmA hai hI nahI.n. AkulatA bhinna aur AtmA bhinna hai. AtmA to shAntisvarUp hai. aise usakA bhedaj~nAn kara.

mai.n bhinna chaitanya j~nAyak hU.N. shAnti mereme.n hai, bAhar kahI.n nahI.n hai. shAnti, Ananda, j~nAn Adi ananta guNo.nse bharapUr AtmA hai, usakA bhedaj~nAn kara. j~nAyakakI dhUn lagAkar j~nAtAdhArAkI ugratA kara. usIme.n lInatA, usIme.n prayatna. ananta kAlase jo yah ekatvabuddhi hai isaliye yah bandha aur janma-maraN hai. ekatvabuddhi TUTakar, a.ntarame.n bhedaj~nAn karake chaitanyako bhinna jAnanA, vahI jIvanakA kartavya hai. aur vahI ek dhyey rakhane jaisA hai. j~nAyak AtmA kaise pahachAname.n Aye, vahI karane jaisA hai.

us j~nAtAme.n sab bharA hai. j~nAyak sahaj svabhAv hai. vah svabhAv use kahI.n bAhar lene nahI.n jAnA paDatA. bAharase lene jAtA hai vah apaneme.n kuCh nahI.n AtA. vah to paravastu hai. paravastume.n-se kuCh nahI.n AtA. parame.n shAnti nahI.n hai, parame.n Ananda nahI.n hai, parame.n j~nAn nahI.n hai. jo hai, vah nij svarUpame.n hai. us svarUpame.n-se pragaT ho aisA hai. parakI kartAbuddhi-mAno.n mai.n parako kar sakatA hU.N, par merA kar sakatA hai, mai.n usame.n pheraphAr kar sakatA hU.N, vah sab bhramaNAbuddhi hai. parakA to jaisA honA hotA hai vaise hotA hai. jo vedanA AnI hai vah AtI hai. vastukA svarUp hI aisA hai.

svaya.n nij svabhAvakA kar sakatA hai. svaya.n j~nAn, Ananda Adi ananta guNo.nse bharapUr AtmA hai, use pragaT kar sakatA hai. use pragaT karaneme.n dev-guru-shAstra nimitta hote hai.n. parantu vah jAgR^it, svaya.n upAdAn taiyAr ho to ho. ananta kAlase jIv AtmAko pahachAnatA nahI.n hai. aiseme.n koI guru athavA dev mile, unakI deshanA mile use svaya.n grahaN kare aur a.ntarame.n-se svaya.n puruShArtha kare to vah pragaT ho sake aisA hai.

jIvaname.n ek j~nAyak AtmA vahI grahaN karane jaisA hai. gurudev to vahA.N tak kahate the ki anek jAtake jo guNabhed paDate hai.n, pA.Nch j~nAnake bhed paDe, pA.Nch bhAvo.nke bhed

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paDe, ek pAriNAmikabhAvasvarUp mai.n hU.N, ek j~nAnasvarUp mai.n hU.N. bhed par dR^iShTi mat kara. un sab bhedo.nko gauN kara. j~nAname.n tU sab jAna. parantu ek akhaNDa chaitanya par dR^iShTi kar, usakA j~nAn kar aur usame.n lInatA kara. chaitanyame.n shAnti, Ananda sab bharA hai. aur vahI pragaT karane jaisA hai. vah kaise pragaT ho? tadartha usakA vichAr, vA.nchan, usakI lagan, usakA anek jAtakA shrutakA chi.ntavan Adi karake andar yathArtha nishchay karake ki mai.n bhinna hI hU.N aur ye sab parapadArtha hai.n. vibhAvabhAv hote hai.n vah bhI nij svabhAv nahI.n hai. paryAy bhI pratikShaN badalatI hai. shAshvat svarUp AtmA akhaNDa dravya hai us par dR^iShTi karane jaisI hai. paryAy, guN j~nAname.n jAne. parantu dR^iShTi to ek AtmA par karane jaisI hai aur vahI jIvanakA (kartavya), vahI dhyey honA chAhiye. vahI muktikA mArga. gurudevane param upakAr kiyA hai. aur vahI sArabhUt AtmA hai, use grahaN karane jaisA hai.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! ApakI mudra dekhate hai.n, ApakI vANI sunate hai.n tab to aisA lagatA hai, mAno.n AtmA hame.n prApta ho jAtA ho, aisA..

samAdhAnaH- puruShArtha svaya.nko karanA hai. usakI ruchi ho, usakI mahimA ho parantu puruShArtha to usako svaya.nko karanA hai.

mumukShuH- kShetrase itane dUr Aye hai.n, phir bhI sabhI mumukShuo.nko isakI mukhyatA to hame.n dekhane milatI hai.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevane jo yah mArga batAyA hai, vahI karanA hai.

mumukShuH- yah bAt hI kahA.N thI.

samAdhAnaH- yah bAt hI kahA.N thI. muumukShuH- jis sa.npradAyame.n ho, vahA.N dharma mAne, isame.n dharma mAne, usame.n dharma mAne.

samAdhAnaH- bAharase dharma mAnA thA.

mumukShuH- ek bAr Ap kahate the, hame.n to jo bhI milA hai, sonagaDhase gurudevase hI prApta huA hai, kahI.n aurase hame.n nahI.n milA hai.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevane hI sabako diyA hai. aur gurudevane yahA.N sAdhanA kI to yah kShetra... shAstrame.n AtA hai na? kShetra bhI ma.ngal hai.

mumukShuH- yah bhUmi bhI ma.ngal hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, ma.ngal hai. tIrtha hai. vah bhUmi tIrtha kahalAtI hai. gurudev to sarvotkR^iShTa the. karanA to vahI hai, gurudevane kahA vaha. ye sharIr bhinna, AtmA bhinna, sab gurudevane batAyA hai. do dravya bhinna hai.n. vibhAvasvabhAvase bhI bhinna paDanekA gurudevane kahA hai.

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j~nAyak AtmA a.ntar j~nAn aur Anandase bharA hai, use pahachAno, usame.n dR^iShTi karo, usame.n lInatA karo. jo kahA hai vah karanekA hai. vah na ho tabatak usakA vichAr, vA.nchan, manan, usakI lagan sab vahI karanekA hai. bAhar shubhabhAv Aye to dev-guru- shAstrakI mahimA Adi. a.ntarame.n dhyey ek AtmAkA ki AtmA kaise pahachAname.n Aye? AtmAkA bhedaj~nAn kaise ho? vah karanekA hai. AtmA a.ntarame.n nirvikalpa tattva hai, use kaise pahachAnA jAy? svAnubhUti kaise pragaT ho? bahut log AphrikAme.n bahut hai.n na?

mumukShuH- hA.N, hamAre jyAdA ... AphrikAme.n hai.n. pahale hamAre pAse svAdhyAy hol nahI.n thA, kuCh nahI.n thA. makAname.n baiThakar svAdhyAy karate the, basa. phir yah sab ho gayA. gurudevane sabhI par karuNA barasAkar lAbh de rahe hai.n. is umrame.n, 90 sAlakI umrame.n.

samAdhAnaH- sab par karuNA barasAyI.

mumukShuH- ek mahinA nAIrobIme.n jayakAr, chAro.n or bastIme.n ullAs, ullAs, ullAsa.

samAdhAnaH- kahA.N AphrikA, vahA.N gurudev padhAre vah to bahut lAbhakA kAraN huA.

mumukShuH- ... bAt karate the. sahaj-sahaj satyame.n A gaye, bahut abhina.ndana. jeThAbhAI kahe to hI ho, na kahe to ...

samAdhAnaH- hA.N. unakA..

mumukShuH- jeThAbhAI hai.n aur unakI hA.N hai to hI...

samAdhAnaH- .. AtmAke liye hai.

mumukShuH- ek-ek jagah, ek-ek gharame.n...

mumukShuH- yah kShetra-bhUmi hai na, apane liye to .. bhUmi hai. gurudevane sabako batAyA hai.

samAdhAnaH- .. sambandha hotA hai na. mahApuruSho.nkI bhUmi bhI (aisI hotI hai ki) andar AtmAke vichAro.nkI sphuraNA ho.

mumukShuH- ham log jis deshame.n rahate hai.n, un logo.nke vichAr, gujarAtIo.nke vichAr bhI hamAre jaise sAdA, sIdhA, sarala. bahut saral vichAr sabake. ek hI matase, ek hI vichArase jo karanA hai karo. AphrikAme.n kahA.N yah bAt mile? kahA.N mandir banAye? svAdhyAy mandir banAye, .. banAye. lekin samay samayakA kArya karatA hai.

mumukShuH- madhyasthatA, saralatA aur jitendriyapanA tattva prApta karanekA uttam pAtra hai. mumukShuH- ... sat sAhitya mile, satya vANI mile, tattvaj~nAnakI bAt mile. parantu kuTumba-parivArakA moh hai na.

samAdhAnaH- jaisI apanI taiyArI ho vaise ho. jij~nAsA taiyAr karate rahanA.

mumukShuH- ... rahA kare ki har sAl vahA.N lAbh leneko jAnA. lekin bahut

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bAr sharIr-prakR^itike kAraN (AnA nahI.n hotA).

mumukShuH- trikAlIkA anubhav nahI.n hotA. paryAyakA anubhav hotA hai. in logo.nkA jUThA lagatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- dravya apekShAse trikAl mukhya hai, vastu apekShAse. vedanakI apekShAse vah mukhya hai. dR^iShTi to shAshvat par hI mukhya hai. dR^iShTi to shAshvat par, dR^iShTi to ek chaitanya par rakhanese hI shuddhaparyAy pragaT hotI hai. dR^iShTi to pahalese Akhir tak usakI dR^iShTi to shuddhAtmA dravya par (hotI hai). jo shAshvat dravya hai, jo palaTatA nahI.n, jisame.n pheraphAr hotA nahI.n, aise dravya par hI dR^iShTi, usakI mukhyatA hai.

phir paryAyako mukhya apekShAse (kahate hai.n). use vedaname.n, anubhavake samay vedaname.n svAnubhUti mukhya hotI hai, to bhI usakI dravya par dR^iShTi hai vah to sAth hI rahatI hai. to paryAyake vedanakI apekShAse use mukhya kahaneme.n AyA hai. isaliye usame.n dR^iShTiko nikAl nahI.n denI hai, parantu us vakta use paryAy vedaname.n mukhya hai, isaliye vedanakI apekShAse use mukhya kahaneme.n AyA hai.

vedaname.n paryAy AtI hai isaliye. vedaname.n dravya nahI.n AtA hai. to bhI dR^iShTi to dravya par hI rahatI hai. dR^iShTi ChUT jAy to muktikA mArga hI ChUT jAya. to mokShakA mArga jo pragaT huA hai, vahI ChUT jAya. dR^iShTi to dravya par hame.nshA rahanI chAhiye. vedanakI apekShAse paryAyako us vakta mukhya kahaneme.n AyA hai. vedan apekShAse. anubhUti-vedan, paryAyakI anubhUti hotI hai isaliye.

dravyakA svarUp kaisA hai, AtmAke guN kaise hai.n, usakI svAnubhUti kaisI hai, vah sab vedaname.n AtA hai. us apekShAse vedanako mukhya kahA hai. isaliye usame.n dravyakA lakShya ChoDanA, aisA usakA artha nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- vah rakhakar hai, dR^iShTi aur lakShyako rakhakar hai.

samAdhAnaH- vah rakhakar hai.

mumukShuH- maryAdit bAt hai.

samAdhAnaH- maryAdit bAt hai. dR^iShTi apekShAse dR^iShTi mukhya hai aur j~nAn use jAnatA hai isaliye j~nAnakI apekShAse j~nAn mukhya hai, us vakta.

mumukShuH- vedan mukhya kahakar (puruShArthako) utthAn karanekA koI prakAr hai?

samAdhAnaH- utthAn karanekA nahI.n hai. use vedaname.n paryAy hI AtI hai. vedaname.n use dravyakA vedan nahI.n hotA. parantu paryAyakA vedan hotA hai. un paryAyo.nkA vedan hotA hai, usakA j~nAn karavAneko aur vedanakA j~nAn karaneke liye hai. utthAn to dravyadR^iShTise hI utthAn hotA hai.

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mumukShuH- mukhya karanA, vah kisake sAth milAn karake mukhya karanA? jo vedanako mukhya kahA, vaise dR^iShTi to mukhya hai to usame.n to paryAyake sAth milAn karake kahe.n ki dR^iShTi dravya par mukhya hai. to ab, jo vedanako mukhya kahA, to vah kisake sAth milAn karake kahA?

samAdhAnaH- use mukhya kahA (kyo.nki), dravya jo hai vah vedaname.n nahI.n AtA hai. isaliye vedanakI apekShAse use mukhya kahA. dravya vedaname.n nahI.n AtA hai, isaliye vedanakI apekShAse mukhya hai.

mumukShuH- kyo.nki dravya vedaname.n AtA nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- dravya vedaname.n nahI.n AtA hai, isaliye vedanakI apekShAse (use mukhya kahA). bAkI dR^iShTi to har jagah sAth hI rahatI hai. dravya vedaname.n nahI.n AtA hai, isaliye vedanakI apekShAse vah mukhya hai. AtmA kab j~nAt huA? AtmA kab kahA jAy? ki vedaname.n AyA taba. vedaname.n AyA tab vAstavik AtmA. aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai. kevalaj~nAnarUp pariNamA taba. vAstavik AtmA kab kahalAyA? ki jaisA hai vaisA pragaT huA taba. isaliye vedanakI apekShAse use mukhya kahaneme.n AyA. us apekShAse dR^iShTiko gauN kI. parantu dR^iShTi to sAthame.n mukhya rahatI hai. vedanakI apekShAse dR^iShTiko gauN kI. dR^iShTame.n to AyA jaisA thA vaisA. parantu vah jaisA hai vaisA kAryarUp pariNamit nahI.n huA hai to AtmA jaisA hai vaisA kArya nahI.n kiyA hai. to vah kis kAmakA? isaliye jaisA hai vaisA jab pragaT huA, tab vah vAstavik AtmA hai.

vedaname.n AyA vahI vAstavik AtmA. vahA.N A.nshik anubhav huA, vahA.N R^ijusUtranay kahate hai.n, vahA.N pUrNa huA to eva.nbhUtanayakI apekShAse kahate hai.n. bAkI sAdhanAme.n ... dR^iShTi dravya par hai to bhI kaise svarUp ramaNatA prApta karu.N, vItarAgatA prApta karu.N, AtmAkI svAnubhUtikI visheShatA prApta karu.N, aisI sab bhAvanA use hotI hai. sAdhakadashAme.n AtI hai. parantu usake sAth dR^iShTi honI chAhiye. dR^iShTi binA sirpha bhAvanA kare to bhAvanAkA jor, dR^iShTi binA usakA jor Age nahI.n chalatA. dR^iShTi sAthame.n ho to hI bhAvanAkA bal (rahatA hai). dR^iShTike sAth bhAvanA. aisI paryAy pragaT honekI bhAvanA ho. kaise chAritradashA prApta ho, kaise kevalaj~nAn prApta ho, svAnubhUtikI visheShatA kaise ho, aisI sab bhAvanA, paryAy pragaT karanekI bhAvanA hotI hai. parantu dR^iShTiko sAthame.n rakhakar AtI hai.

mumukShuH- dR^iShTi binAkI bhAvanA to rUkhI bhAvanA ho gayI.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vah bhAvanA jor nahI.n kar sakatI. jor nahI kar sakatI. a.ntim bolame.n liyA na? vAstavik AtmA kab? ki paryAy pragaT huyI vah AtmA. a.ntim bolame.n vah hai na. ali.ngagrahaName.n vah AtA hai.

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mumukShuH- dravyase nahI.n Ali.ngit aisI shuddha paryAy vah AtmA hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, aisI shuddha paryAy vah AtmA hai, aisA kahA hai. kyo.nki jaisA hai vaisA, guN-paryAy jaise hai.n vaise anubhavame.n Aye, isaliye vah vAstavik AtmA hai. dR^iShTi to usane labdharUpame.n sthApI hai, parantu pragaT upayogAtmakarUp nahI.n hai. isaliye jo upayogAtmakarUp pariNamA vah AtmA hai.

mumukShuH- .. usakI visheShatA..

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, usakI visheShatA us prakArase. visheShatA to hai. dR^iShTi to huyI, parantu dR^iShTiko kArya prApta karaneke sAth bhAvanA rahatI hai. dR^iShTise kare, dR^iShTime.n sAthame.n sAdhanAkA bal Aye vahI sachchI dR^iShTi hai. sAdhanAkA bal sAthame.n.n na Aye to sachchI dR^iShTi hI nahI.n hai.

dR^iShTikA hetu kyA hai? ki vah shuddhAtmA prApta kaise ho? vah hetu hai. AtmAko pahachAnanekA hetu kyA? ye vibhAvaparyAy ChUTakar shuddhAtmAkI paryAye.n prApta ho.n, aisA usakA hetu hai. dravya par dR^iShTi karanekA.

mumukShuH- prayojanakI mukhyatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, prayojanakI mukhyatA vahI hai ki dravya par dR^iShTi sthApakar usakA kArya vah AnA chAhiye ki svAnubhUti prApta ho. usakA kArya vah AnA chAhiye. dR^iShTi dR^iShTirUpase usakA kuCh kArya na Aye, to vah dR^iShTi hI nahI.n hai. use dR^iShTike sAth kArya AnA chAhiye. use nishchay huA usake sAth A.nshik vyavahAr to use prApta honA chAhiye, paryAyako, shuddhAtmAkI paryAy prApta honI chAhiye. phir usake puruShArtha anusAr (hotA hai). koI bAr vah vyavahAr paryAyako mukhya karake (kahate hai.n). jo pragaT huA vah AtmA. dR^iShTiko gauN karate hai.n us vakta. usakA viShay mukhya hai. kArya apekShAse ise mukhya kahe. jaisA dR^iShTime.n, jo usakA dhyey thA vah kArya AyA, isaliye us kAryako mukhya kahA.

mumukShuH- bahut sundara.

samAdhAnaH- munidashAkI prApti ho, chAritradashA, j~nAn-darshan-chAritrakI ekatA ho, vah pragaT huA. tab bhI dR^iShTi to hai, parantu vah pUjanik... pragaTatAme.n pUjanikatAme.n tab Aye ki jab use pragaT chAritrakA pariNaman hotA hai taba.

mumukShuH- AcharaN..

samAdhAnaH- AcharaN pradhAnatA. AcharaName.n Ave to use kArya AyA. dR^iShTi to hai, parantu kArya AyA. (da.nsaN mUlo) dhammo. samyagdarshan mUl hai. vahA.N chAritra khalU dhammo AyA. chAritra vah dharma hai. AcharaNakI apekShAse. dR^iShTikA kArya Aye.

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mumukShuH- chAritra hai vah dR^iShTikA kArya hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, dR^iShTikA kArya vah AnA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- gajab bAte.n hai.n ye saba.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N. aisA hai. .. kAl lage, parantu dR^iShTikA kArya vah AnA chAhiye. to hI yathArtha dR^iShTi hai. to hI usakA samyagdarshan, svAnubhUti (yathArtha hai). usakA kArya AnA hI chAhiye. rAjA rAjAke kAryarUp pariName to rAjA, aise. vaise AtmA AtmAke kAryarUp pariName vah AtmA.

mumukShuH- ek or aisA kahe ki, paradravyame.n, parabhAva.n, heya.n iti. aur dUsarI or aisA kahe isaliye...

samAdhAnaH- vah sab sandhi hai.

mumukShuH- paryAyako utanI gauN karavAyI! kShAyikabhAv Adi chAro.n bhAv parabhAv, hey?

samAdhAnaH- dR^iShTime.n sab nikAl diye. kShAyikabhAv bhI. kevalaj~nAn bhI ek paryAyakA bhed hai. ek dravya par dR^iShTi karanI. udayabhAv, upasham, kShayopasham aur kShAyika. ek pAriNAmikabhAv par dR^iShTi kara. dR^iShTime.n utanA jor hai ki koI apekShA.. jisame.n apUrNa- pUrNa paryAyakI bhI apekShA nahI.n hai. aisA anAdiananta dravya jo shAshvat kR^itakR^itya dravya hai, dR^iShTi vaisI hai.

(phir bhI, paryAyame.n) jo shuddhatA, ashuddhatA hai usakA khyAl hai. shuddhatA prApta karanI hai. paryAyame.n j~nAname.n sab khyAl hai. dR^iShTi, aisA akhaNDa, mai.n pUrNa dravya hU.N, aisI dR^iShTi hai. kevalaj~nAnakI paryAy par bhI dR^iShTi nahI.n hai. kyo.nki vah bAdame.n pragaT hotI hai. yah anAdiananta dravya jo shaktirUp hai, vahI mai.n (hU.N). dR^iShTi aisI joradAr hai. koI paryAyame.n aTakatA nahI.n, parantu vedaname.n sab AtA hai ki ye paryAy mujhe pragaT huyI, yA vah huyI, usame.n dR^iShTi kahI.n nahI.n aTakatI. sab jo apUrNa paryAy nikal jAy, shuddha paryAy pragaT ho usame.n pUrNa shuddha paryAy pragaT ho, un sabakA vedan hotA hai. us vedanarUp pariNamA vah vAstavik AtmA hai. apanA mUl svarUp thA, vah usane pragaT kiyA.

... ek dravya par dR^iShTi karake, phir vah dR^iShTi karake karanA kyA? sAdhanA karaneke liye vah dR^iShTi hai. dravya par dR^iShTi karake, phir mai.n shuddhAtmA anAdiananta hU.N. ye vibhAv (mai.n nahI.n hU.N). apUrNa, pUrNa paryAy jitanA bhI mai.n nahI.n hU.N, mai.n to pUrNa shuddhAtmA hU.N. dR^iShTi karake phir kArya to shuddha paryAyako pragaT karanekA kArya lAnA hai. kArya na Aye to dR^iShTi nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- (kArya na Aye to) usakA koI artha nahI.n hai.

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samAdhAnaH- usakA koI artha nahI.n hai. mumukShuH- kArya Aye to hI vah sachchI dR^iShTi hai. samAdhAnaH- kArya Aye to hI sachchI dR^iShTi hai. a.ntarase shAnti pragaT ho. mumukShuH- phir bhI lakShya kArya par nahI.n hotA. samAdhAnaH- lakShya kArya par nahI.n hai ki ye paryAy pragaT huyI aur vah paryAy pragaT huyI, usame.n.n dR^iShTi rukatI nahI.n. usakA vedan hotA hai, parantu mai.n pUrNa bharA huA, pUrNa bharA hU.N. ek-ek paryAy pragaT ho, pUrNa paryAy pragaT ho to, usase bhI ananta mere dravyame.n bharA hai. kevalaj~nAnakI paryAy kShaN-kShaName.n pariNamatI rahatI hai. ek vartamAn samayakI paryAy pragaT ho, to yah mujhe pragaT huyI, aise usame.n rukatA nahI.n. usase anantagunA dravyame.n bharA hai. dravya par, dR^iShTi to dravya par hai. kevalaj~nAnakI paryAy ek samayakI hai, usase anantagunI shakti dravyame.n bharI hai. kyo.nki vah to kShaN-kShaName.n, kShaN-kShaName.n pariNamatA rahatA hai, dravya to.