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mumukShuH- Apane kahA hai na ki kahI.n achChA na lage to AtmAme.n ruchi lagA.

samAdhAnaH- jisako kahI.n achChA nahI lagatA hai, vah AtmAme.n ruchi karatA hai. jise achChA lagatA hai, bAhar me.n jisako ruchatA hai use AtmAme.n achChA nahI.n lagatA. jisakI bAhar- se ruchi uTh jAy, bAharase ruchi uTh jAy to AtmAme.n ruchi lage aur jisako AtmAme.n ruchi lage usako hI bAharase ruchi uTh jAtI hai. aur jisako kahI.n achChA na lage usako AtmAme.n ruchi lage binA rahatI hI nahI.n. AtmAme.n ruchi lage use bAhar kahI.n achChA bhI nahI.n lagatA.

mumukShuH- aisA to lagatA hai ki kahI.n achChA nahI.n lagatA.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, achChA nahI.n lagatA hai, lekin usakA upAy nahI.n DhU.NDhatA hai. ruchatA nahI.n hai vah yathArtha nahI.n hai. vAstavikarUp-se ruche nahi to usakA rAstA nikAle binA vah rahatA nahI.n. usako sthUlarUp-se achChA nahI.n lagatA hai, vairAgya karatA hai, sab karatA hai ki sthUl rUp-se use kahI.n achChA nahI.n lagatA. yah ThIk nahI.n hai aisA sthUl rUp-se lagatA hai. a.ndarase yadi ThIk na lage to ThIk vastu kyA hai usako grahaN kiye binA rahatA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- ...to usake puruShArthase usakI prApti hotI hai?

samAdhAnaH- to puruShArtha se svakI prApti hotI hai. puruShArtha kare to.

mumukShuH- phir to gurudev ke sAth Ap gaNadhar honevAle hai.n, mAtAjI! to ham bhI gaNadharake sAth unake pIChe to hoge.n yA nahI.n hoge.n ?

samAdhAnaH- apanI khudakI taiyArI ho to rahatA hai. gurudevane jis mArgako grahaN kiyA us mArgako svaya.n grahaN kare aisI bhAvanAvAle ho to sAth hI rahate hai.n. vah svaya.n a.ndar taiyArI kare to.

mumukShuH- gurudevane jo mArga batAyA hai, vah mArga Ap batA rahe ho, gurudev anusAra. aur vah mArga parIkShak buddhise grahaN kiyA hai. vah ChUT na jAye...

samAdhAnaH- (puruShArtha) anusAr hotA hai. gurudev bhI kahate the ki dhIre-dhIre chale usame.n koI bAdhA nahI.n hai, parantu mArga tU barAbar grahaN karanA ki is rAste-se bhAvanagar jA sakate hai.n. to vah rAstA barAbar hai ki is mArgase AtmA taraph jA sakate hai.n. usake badale dUsarA UlTA rAstA pakaDe to nahI.n jA sake. yah j~nAn svabhAv AtmA hai usako grahaN karanase, usI mArgase svAnubhUti aur bhedaj~nAn hotA hai. vah rAstA barAbar pakaDanA. usame.n dhIre-dhIre chalanA ho to usame.n koI dikkat

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nahI.n hai, lekin usakA dhyey barAbar rakhanA. ho sake to dhyAnamay pratikramaN karanA aur na ho sake to shraddhA to avashya karanA. AchAryadevane kahA hai. ho sake to tU darshan-j~nAn-chAritrarup pariNaman karake kevalaj~nAnakI prApti karanA. dhyAnamay pratikramaNa. dhyAname.n aisI ugratA karanA ki svarupame.n lIn hokar bAhar na Aye aisI ugratA karanA. lekin us prakArakA dhyAnamay pratikramaN na ho sake to shraddhA to barAbar karanA ki mArga to yahI hai. na ho sake to thak kar dUsare, tIsare kahI.n thoDA karake mai.nne bahut kiyA, thoDe shubhabhAv karake mai.nne bahut kiyA aisA sa.ntoSh mat mAn lenA. sa.ntuShTa mat ho jAnA. (sa.ntuShya ho gayA to) tujhe Age jAnekA avakAsh nahI.n rahegA. lekin tU.n aisI bhAvanA rakhanA ki mArga to yahI hai. sa.ntoSh to a.ndar AtmAme.n-se sa.ntoSh Aye aur tR^ipti Aye vahI yathArtha hai. vah na ho tabatak usakI shraddhA barAbar rakhanA ki mArga to yahI hai. phir dhIre-dhIre chalenA ho yA jaldI chale usame.n koI dikkat nahI.n hai. lekin mArga to yathArtha grahaN karanA. AchAryadev aisA kahate hai.n, gurudev aisA kahate the.

mumukShuH- tR^ipti huI, yah kaise mAlUm paDe?

samAdhAnaH- vah apane Apako jAn sakatA hai, apanI ruchi aur jij~nAsAse. gurudevane jo mArga batAyA hai, us mArgako a.ndar gaharAI-se vichAr karake mArga yahI hai, aisA svaya.n nirNay karake vah jAn sakatA hai ki karanA yahI hai. is j~nAnasvabhAvako hI grahaN karanA hai. dUsarA kuCh grahaN nahI.n karanA hai. vah svaya.n apanI shraddhA aur pratItase apaneApako pahachAn sakatA hai, apanI pariNatiko.

itanA karate hai.n aur kuCh hotA nahI.n, aise thakakar tU usase pIChe mat haTanA, thakanA nahI.n. tere utsAhako manda mat karanA. utsAh to aisA hI rakhanA ki sabakuCh AtmAme.n hI hai, kahI.n aur nahI.n hai. mai.n kar nahI sakatA hU.N. utsAh to barAbar rakhanA. na ban pAye to dhIre chalanA ho, der lage usame.n koI dikkat nahI.n hai. lekin mArga dUsarA koI pakaD le ki thoDI kriyA karake dharma mAnA, shubhabhAv thoDA jyAdA huA to dharma ho gayA, aisA tU mat mAn lenA.

shuddhAtmA me.n hI.n dharma hai. nirvikalpa svarup hI AtmA hai aur shuddhAtmAme.n hI sab kuCh bharA hai, aisI shraddhA to barAbar rakhanA. bhedaj~nAn hI usakA upAy hai. AtmAke jo dravya-guN-paryAy yathArtha hai, us dravya par dR^iShTi karanA aur j~nAn sabakA karanA, a.ndar pariNati karanI, vah shraddhA barAbar karanA. na ho sake to mere puruShArthakI mandatA hai aisI tU bhAvanA rakhanA. lekin thakakar dUsare taraph muDanA nahI.n.

AtmAme.n hI sabakuCh hai. samyagdarshan apUrva hai gurudevane batAyA. ana.ntakAlame.n sabakuCh prApta kiyA lekin ek samyagdarshan durlabh hai. jinavar svAmI ana.ntakAlame.n mile nahI.n aur samyagdarshan prApta huA nahI.n. jinavar svAmI anek bAr mile lekin svaya.nne pahachAn nahI.n karI. samyagdarshan prApta karanekA sarvotkR^iShTa nimitta jinavar svAmI hai. nimitta aur upAdAn dono.n liyA. a.ndarame.n samyagdarshan nahI.n huA aur bAharame.n usakA sarvotkR^iShTa nimitta, use tUne barAbar pahachAnA nahI.n hai. nimitta-

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upAdAnakA (sambandha). arthAt sachche dev-guru tujhe mile nahI.n, aur mile to tUne nimittako nimittarup grahaN kiyA nahI.n. isaliye tujhe mile nahI.n hai aisA kahate hai.n, bahut bAr mile to bhI.

lekin yah samyagdarshan durlabh hai. upAdAn taiyAr kiyA ho to nimitta-upAdAn kA sambandha hue binA rahatA nahI.n. isaliye samyagdarshan durlabh hai. aisI bhedaj~nAn kI pariNati pragaT karanI durlabh hai. dravyadR^iShTi AtmAkI, bhedaj~nAn, usakI sAdhak dashA, AtmAko lakShyame.n lenA, svAnubhUtikI prApti karanI vah sab durlabh hai. lekin vah na ho tabatak usakI bhAvanA, jij~nAsA karanA. jij~nAsA baDhAte rahanA. usake liye AkulatA karake, khed karake ulajhanA nahI.n, parantu utsAh rakhanA. na ho sake to bhI utsAh rakhanA.

mumukShuH- ho sake to...

samAdhAnaH- ban sake to dhyAnamay... yadi kar sake to tU... AchAryadev aur gurudev kahate the, gurudev aur sab upadesh to aisA hI dete the ki ho sake to samyagdarshanase lekar pUrNatA prApta karanA. kevalaj~nAn tak prApta karanA, tujhase ban pAye to. aur na ho sake to shraddhA karanA. na ho sake to. vah muni banate hai.n to munikA upadesh dete hai.n. muni na ho sake to samyagdarshan prApta karanA, aisA kahate hai.n. samyagdarshan durlabh ho aur na ban pAye to usakI shraddhA karanA. usakI mahimA karanA. apUrvatA lAnA.

mumukShuH- ... vah kaise jAne? bAharakA aur a.ndarakA kis tarah jAne?

samAdhAnaH- bAharakA jAnanA nahI.n. a.ndar svabhAv jAnanA... jAnanA.. jo svabhAv hai vaha. yah bAhar jAnA ye j~ney, yah jAnA, vah jAnA aisA nahI.n. jAnanekA jo svabhAv hai vah jAnan tattva hai usako jAnanA. bAharakA jAnanA aisA nahI.n. jAnanA-jAnanA. yah jaD padArtha kuCh jAnatA nahI.n, a.ndar jAnanevAlA koI bhinna hai. vah jAnanevAlA jo jAnatA rahatA hai, mUl tattva jo jAnatA hai vah jAnanevAlA tattva, jAnanevAlA jo padArtha hai vaha.

ab takakA, bhUtakAlakA athavA apane jIvanake jo bhI prasa.ng bane vah sab to chale gaye, phir bhI jAnanevAlA to jyo.nkA tyo.n khaDA hai. vah jAnanevAlA tattva jo hai, vah jAnanevAlA tattva hai. jAnanA.. jAnanA.. jAnanevAleme.n jAnanA hai. vah sabakuCh jAnatA hai. jAnanevAlekI maryAdA nahI.n ho aisA sabakuCh jAne aisA jAnanekA svabhAv vah jAne.

mumukShuH- arthAt apanA j~nAnasvabhAv a.ndar?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N. j~nAnasvabhAva.

mumukShuH- jAnanese usakA j~nAnasvabhAv jAnaneme.n A jAtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N. apanA j~nAnasvabhAv hai. khudakA svabhAv hai jAnanA.

mumukShuH- yah to kaThin hai, aisA lagatA hai. j~nAnasvabhAv arthAt kis tarah j~nAnasvabhAv kahate hai.n? jAnanA matalab jAnanevAlI sab chIje.n to j~nAt ho jAtI hai. jAnanA to bAharakA sab

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jAnaneme.n AtA hai. jAnaneme.n bAharakA hI jAnatA hai. bAkI jo a.ndar rahA vah kyA rahA?

samAdhAnaH- a.ndar tattva hI jAnanevAlA hai, tattva hI jAnanevAlA hai. bAharakA vah sab nahI.n jAnatA hai. vah to usakA kShayopashamabhAv, jitanI usakI shakti hai utanA hI jAnatA hai. sab nahI.n jAnatA hai. jAnanevAlA sab kahA.N jAnatA hai? usakI jAnanekI to ananta shakti hai. lekin sab jAnatA nahI.n. vah to alpa jAnatA hai. vah to indriyo.nkA Ashray lekar, manakA Ashray lekar alpa jAnatA hai. jAnatA hai vah sthUl jAnatA hai. vah kahI.n sUkShma nahI.n jAnatA.

jAnatA hai vah kram-kramase jAnatA hai. ekasAth kuCh nahI.n jAnatA. jAnanevAlekA jo mUl svabhAv hai, vah mUl svabhAvarup kuCh nahI.n jAnatA. jAnatA hai vah mAtra sthUl jAnatA hai. lekin vah jAnanevAlA tattva hai us jAnanevAlene sab nahI.n jAnA. jAnanevAlA jo tattva hai usako usane nahI.n jAnA. jAnanevAlA sab jAnatA hai. vah jAnanevAlA ana.nt jAnatA hai aisA usakA svabhAv hai.

jo jAnanevAlA svaya.nko jAnatA hai, jo jAnanevAlA parako jAnatA hai, aisA usakA sab jAnanekA (svabhAv hai). sabase dUr rahakar, usake kShetrame.n gaye binA svaya.n apane kShetrame.n rahakar, chAhe jitanA usase dUr ho, lAkh-karoD gA.Nv dUr ho, to bhI dUr rahakar sab jAne aisA usakA svabhAv hai. aisA vah jAnanevAlA tattva hai. jise A.NkhakI jarurat paDatI nahI.n, jise manakI jarurat nahI.n paDatI, jise kAnakI jarUrat nahI.n paDatI, koI padArthakI jise jarurat nahI.n paDatI ki A.Nkhase dekhe, kAnase sune, isaliye vah jAne athavA manase vichAr kare to jAne, aise koI AshrayakI jisako jarurat nahI.n hai, lekin vah svaya.n hajAro.n gA.Nv dUr ho to bhI usako jAn sake. aisA jAnanevAlA tattva a.ndar hai ki vah svaya.n jAne, apane j~nAn svabhAvase jAne. aur vah dUsareko jAne itanA hI nahI.n, vah svaya.n apaneko jAne. apane ana.nte guNako jAne, khudakI ana.ntI paryAyako jAne. ana.ntakAlame.n kaisI paryAy huyI aur kis tarah dravya pariNaman karake bhaviShyame.n kaise pariNaman karegA, vah sab jAne. aisA jAnanevAlA tattva hai. jAnanA arthAt aisA jAnanekA jisakA svabhAv hai, vah jAnanevAlA tattva hai.

mumukShuH- jo mUl tattvako jAnanevAlA hai.

samAdhAnaH- vah mUl tattvako jAnanevAlA tattva hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAnasvabhAva.

samAdhAnaH- j~nAnasvabhAva. vah j~nAn svabhAv hai. ye to usako lakShaNakI pahachAn hotI hai ki itanA jo jAnatA hai, jo parake Ashrayase jAnatA hai vah jAnanevAlA aisA tattva hai ki svaya.n jAne. A.Nkhase jAne, kAnane sune yA manase vichAr kare aisA jo jAnatA hai, vah jAnanevAlA tattva aisA hai ki svaya.n jAne. kisIke Ashray binA jAne. kisIke Ashrayase jAne vah usakA svataH svabhAv nahI.n hai. usakA svataH svabhAv to aisA ho ki jo apanese jAne. jise kisIke AshrayakI jarurat na paDe vaise jAne. aisA usakA j~nAnasvabhAv hai. apane-se jAne. jo j~nAnarup apane-se pariName. jo Ana.ndarup apane-se pariName. jise kisIke AshrayakI jarurat na paDe. aisA usakA svabhAv hai. aisI

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ana.ntI shaktiyA.N usame.n bharI hai. sab shaktiyo.nko vah j~nAnase jAne aisA j~nAnasvabhAv hai.

mumukShuH- apane j~nAnasvabhAvame.n jo AtmAkA Ana.nd hai, us Ana.ndakA use kaise patA chale?

samAdhAnaH- vah Ana.nd to usako vedaname.n Aye tab mAlUm paDe. vedanase. svaya.n apanI taraph upayog karake usakI pratIt karake usame.n lIn hove to usako vah Ana.nd vedaname.n AtA hai vah mAlUm paDatA hai.

mumukShuH- lIn honekA koI prayog?

samAdhAnaH- lIn honekA prayog to pahale sachchA j~nAn ho bAdame.n sachchI lInatA hotI hai. sachchA j~nAn... usake mUl prayojanabhUt tattvako to jAnanA chAhiye ki mai.n yah tattva padArtha jAnanevAlA tattva hU.N. dUsarA kuCh mai.n nahI.n hU.N. parapadArtharup mai.n ana.nt kAlame.n huA nahI.n. ana.ntakAl usake sAth rahA. ana.ntakAl usake nimitto.nme.n basA hU.N, lekin mai.n par padArtharup huA nahI.n. mai.n chaitanyatattva bhinna hU.N.

ye vibhAvasvabhAv, ana.ntakAl vibhAv pariNatise pariNamA phir bhI mai.n vibhAvarup huA nahI.n. usakA mUl svabhAv jAne, usake dravya-guN-paryAyako jAne, usakA bhedaj~nAn kare, yathArtha j~nAn kare to usakI lInatA hotI hai. apane svabhAvako grahaN kare to usame.n lInatA ho na? svabhAvako grahaN kiye binA khaDA kahA.N rahegA? usakI lInatAkA jor kahA.N degA? lIn kahA.N hogA? bahut lInatA karane jAyegA to vikalpame.n lIn hogA. mai.n chaitanya hU.N... chaitanya hU.N... chaitanya hU.N... aise vikalpa karegA. lekin vikalpakI lInatA vah lInatA nahI.n hai. svabhAvako grahaN kare aur lInatA ho to sachchI lInatA hai.

mumukShuH- hajAro.n gA.Nv dUr apane gurudev, mAtAjI Apako to khyAl hai ki gurudev to dUr vaimAnik devame.n hai.n. phir bhI hame.n vikalpa dvArA aisA lagatA hai ki yahA.N gurudev padhAre.n, hame.n darshan diye aur ham kR^itakR^it ho gaye. apaneke to Ana.nd ho. gurudevashrI padhArakar darshan de to apaneko a.ndarase Ana.nd ho. lekin vah svapna yAnI ek svapna hI hai yA apanA a.ndarakA bhAv hai? vah kyA hai?

samAdhAnaH- svapnake bahut prakAr hote hai.n. koI svapna yathAtathya hotA hai, koI svapna apanI bhAvanAke kAraN, apanI shubh bhAvanA ho to svapna Aye. koI svapna yathArtha phal de. svapna yathArtha ho to. svapnake bahut prakAr hote hai.n. kuCh apaneko bhAs hotA hai, koI bhAs apanI manakI bhAvanAke kAraN hotA hai, kaI bAr yathArtha hotA hai. vah khud nakkI kar sake ki yah yathArtha hai ki apanI bhAvanAke kAraN jo raTan karatA hai, vah raTanakA svapna hai yA yathArtha hai, vah khudako nakkI karanA hai. svapna ke kaI prakAr hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- raTan kiyA ho, vah rAtame.n A jAya.

samAdhAnaH- jo raTan kiyA ho vahI svapna rAtame.n Aye. isaliye vah raTanake kAraN AtA hai. koI bAr yathAtathya bhI Aye. jo phalavAn svapna ho. mAtAko svapna Aye, bhagavAn padhArane

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vAle ho.n, vah svapna aisA hotA hai ki jisakA phal... bhagavAn padhAranevAle hai.n to svapna AtA hai. vah svapna yathArtha hote hai. aise koI svapna yathArtha bhI hote hai.n. aur koI svapna apane raTanakA svapna hotA hai.

mumukShuH- jo raTan kare usakA svapna Aye.

samAdhAnaH- vah svapna Aye. kisI ko .. lekar svapna Aye, kisIko kuCh svapna Aye. svapnake kaI prakAr hai.n. vah svaya.n jAn sake ki yah svapna kis prakArakA hai.

mumukShuH- gurudevashrI.. us din mai.nne jaldIme.n pUChA thA. gurudevashrI virAjamAn hue, Ap pIChe virAjate hai.n, aisA mai.n dekhatI hU.N aur gurudevashrI padhArakar aisA kahate hai.n ki ham yahA.N ArAm kare.nge. yahA.N AhAr le.nge. sabako yahA.N AtA hai. to yah kis prakArakA svapna kahA jAye? Ap yahA.N virAjamAn ho, aur vahA.N mujhe do bAr...

samAdhAnaH- (khud hI) samaj sake.

mumukShuH- ab sachchA j~nAn hai to apaneko aisA lage ki jo prApta karate hai.n, vah sab sachchA hai. ab usakA bharosA to guru hI karavAye na? yA sahI-galat kA nirNay khud kare?

samAdhAnaH- guru bharosA karavAye aur svaya.n bhI bharosA kar sake ki yah yathArtha hai.