samAdhAna- hAn, honA. us rUp honA.
mumukShu- svabhAv.. svabhAva. ... agurulaghuguNake kAraN jo anekapanAkI ... anubhUti aur vah par nimittake kAraN A paDatI Apatti. usamen A paDI hai, isamen anubhUt lI. itanA pharka hai. usamen AyA thA. Aj anubhUti AyA thA, is arthamen. main yahAn AyA us dina. Aj hI yah AyA-anubhUti.
mumukShu- do din pahale mAtAjIko 17-18 gAthAkA prashna pUchhA thA. do-chAr din pahale.
mumukShu- mujhe mAlUm nahIn thA.
samAdhAna- us rUp vah ho rahA hai, gnAyak gnAyakarUp hI ho rahA hai. vah ho rahA hai lekin use pragaTarUpase khyAl nahIn hai. svayam us rUp ho rahA hai. anubhUtisvarUp arthAt gnAyak gnAyakarUp, lekin vah mAlUm nahIn hai.
mumukShu- mAlUm nahIn hai arthAt upayogAtmak nahIn karatA hai aisA?
samAdhAna- usakA upayog-pragaT nahIn karatA hai. upayogAtmak...
mumukShu- upayogamen bhI nahIn hai aur labdhamen nahIn hai. .... to upayogAtmak kahen. jAnatA hI nahIn.
mumukShu- nahIn, nahIn aisA kahanA hai ki chhadmastha jIv hai isaliye do jagah to upayog rahatA nahIn. yAnI upayogAtmak...
mumukShu- ek jagah upayog aur bAkI sab labdhamen. mumukShu- vah to ek bAr anubhav honeke bAdakA barAbar hai. mumukShu- isaliye yahAn nahIn hai. upayogAtmakakA koI matalab nahIn hai. kisI bhI prakArase jAnatA hI nahIn. upayogAtmak nahIn hai, to koI apekShAse jAnatA hai, aisA hotA hai. jAnatA hI nahIn.
mumukShu- vah svIkArya nahIn hai. vah hamen svIkArya nahIn hai.
samAdhAna- AchAryadev kahate hain ki tU anubhUtisvarUp ho rahA hai. lekin tujhe usakA shraddhAn nahIn hai. aur nahIn jAne huekA shraddhAn gadheke singake barAbar hai. isaliye tU jAnatA bhI nahIn, shraddhAn nahIn hai, AcharaN nahIn hai. parantu AchAryadev use kahate hain, nahIn hai usakA artha terA nAsh nahIn huA hai. tU jaD nahIn ho gayA hai. tU svayam hai anubhUtisvarUp AtmA, bAlagopAl sabako anubhUtirUp ho rahA hai. tU pahichAn le. tU svayam hI hai. tU us rUp hI hai, gnAyak hI hai, use tU jAn le. tU jAn le, terA nAsh nahIn ho gayA hai, tU hai usako jAn le, aisA kahate hain. tU us rUp anubhUti svarUp bhagavAn AtmA AbAlagopAl sadA shAshvat hai. gnAyak gnAyakarUp hI hai, tU use