thI. unakA dravya tIrthankarakA, is panchamakAlamen padhAre kahAn-se? mahAbhAgya, panchamakAlakA mahAbhAgya ki gurudev yahAn padhAre. unake guNonkA varNan kyA karen? gurudev to sarvotkRuShTa is panchamakAlamen the.
mumukShu- pragnA khIle to hotA hai, to pragnA khIlAnekI kalA kaisI hotI hai?
samAdhAna- bhale buddhise, vichArase nakkI kare. pahale to buddhise, vichArase nakkI karanA hotA hai. chAron orase yuktise, nyAyase nakkI kare. lekin pragnA to kise kahate hain? gnAyakako pahachAne to use pragnA kahate hain. gnAyakako pahachAnakar ki yah main gnAyak, yahI gnAyak hai. jis kShaN rAgAdi hote hain, usI kShaN yah gnAn hai aur yah rAg hai, aise bhinna kare to yahAn pragnA shurU hotI hai.
mumukShu- kShaN-kShaNamen anubhav hotA jAtA hai.
samAdhAna- hAn, kShaN-kShaNamen use bhedagnAn vartatA hI hai. use pragnA kahate hain. (usake pahale) pragnA nahIn hai. pahale to buddhise hI nakkI karanA paDatA hai. pahale sAdhan to use buddhi hI hotI hai. buddhise nakkI kare.
mumukShu- Age baDhaneke bAd khIlatI hai?
samAdhAna- hAn, bAdamen hotI hai. buddhi, buddhike sAth use gnAyakakI mahimA honI chAhiye. use virakti honI chAhiye ki isamen kahIn bhI sukh nahIn hai. sukh AtmAmen hai. aisA sab honA chAhiye. jignAsA, bhAvanA, buddhise nakkI (karanA).
mumukShu- jIvan utanA us rUp ho jAnA chAhiye.
samAdhAna- hAn. sachchA to use bAdamen pragaT hotA hai. pahale to buddhise nakkI karatA hai. buddhi aur buddhike sAth shuShkatA nahIn hotI. mujhe AtmAkA karanA hai. gnAyakakI mahimA Aye, ye sab AkUlatA hai, sukh kahIn bhI nahIn hai. ye vikalpakI jAlamen sukh nahIn hai, aise usase virAm lekar andar jAye. virAm yAnI use us jAtakA vairAgya AtA hai. aur buddhise nakkI kare.
mumukShu- bahut kaThin hai.
samAdhAna- kaThin hai, lekin svayamkA hai. kare to ho sake aisA hai. kahIn dUr nahIn hai. samIp (hai), svayam hI hai. anAdise dUsarA abhyAs ho gayA hai isaliye kaThin lagatA hai. isakA abhyAs aisA ho jAye, aisA prayAs kare, bArambAr kare to sahaj ho jAtA hai. parantu dUsarA abhyAs jyAdA hai aur yah abhyAs kam hai, isaliye kaThin lagatA hai.
mumukShu- bAhar khinchA jAtA hai.
samAdhAna- bAhar khinchAv rahatA hai. us prakArakA parichay ho gayA, isaliye