mumukShu- vah vIryakA kAma.
samAdhAna- hAn, terA puruShArtha badala. puruShArtha terA bAhar hai, use antaramen lA.
mumukShu- ... ananta kAlako jAnanA vah to svabhAv hI hai. usakI bAt karanemen kyA dikkat hai?
samAdhAna- bAt karanemen mAne?
mumukShu- jAtismaraNagnAna.
samAdhAna- svabhAv hI hai. vah to dravya, kShetra, kAl, bhAvake sanyog anusAr bAt kI jAtI hai. bAtake sAth koI sambandha nahIn hai. svabhAv hai isaliye bAt karanI chAhiye, nahIn karanI chAhiye, usake sAth sambandha nahIn hai. dravya, kShetra, kAl, bhAvake sanyogake sAth sambandha hai.
mumukShu- gurudev aisA pharamAte the ki jAtismaraN hone par vairAgyamen ugratA A jAtI thI, vah kaise?
samAdhAna- jIvane aise janma-maraN kiye hain. vah bAt smaraNamen Aye, vah vairAgyakA kAraN banatI hai. use pratItamen ho, lekin jyAdA khyAlamen Anepar vairAgyakA kAraN banatA hai. shAstrommen bhI AtA hai ki, jAtismaraN vairAgyakA kAraN hotA hai. pravRuttike kAraN dikhe to na bhI kahanemen Aye, use bAtake sAth sambandha nahIn hai.
... anek kAraN Ate hain na? usamen ek jAtismaraN bhI vairAgyakA kAraN AtA hai. samyagdarshan honeke kAraN Ate hain. dev, Ruddhi, jAtismaraN Adi AtA hai. jinabimb vah sab AtA hai. kisIko usamen-se puruShArtha shurU ho jAtA hai. sab jIvakI yogyatA anek prakArakI hotI hai.
... dRuDhatA honekA, pratIt honekA kAraN banatA hai. AtmA aise mukta hai. apanA astitva sadA nitya hI hai. anek janma-maraN karate-karate jIv svayam shAshvat nitya hI hai. shAshvat astitva hai. anek janma-maraN kiye, anek-anek prasang bane. koI dukhakA, koI anukUlatAkA, koI pratikUlatAkA. anek prasang yAd Anepar use vairAgyakA kAraN banatA hai.
kisIko jAtismaraN honepar, anumati mAngatA hai, are..! mainne to sansAramen aisA bahut dekhA hai. aisA karake dIkShA letA hai. koI kahatA hai, ye devalokakI Ruddhi, aisA to mainne bahut dekhA hai. ye sansAr hai. aisA narkakA dukh, aisA devalok sab dekhakar vairAgya hotA hai.
mumukShu- narkamen to ananta dukh hain.
samAdhAna- vah to sun na sake aise hain. jIv svayam ananta kAlamen bhogakar