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mumukShu- gurudevakA hI mArga chal rahA hai.
samAdhAna- munion-se, unakI sAdhanA-se sab chale. parantu unake jaisI vANI kisIkI nahIn hotI.
mumukShu- ... tIrthankarakA thA, to unakI vANImen aisI sAtishayatA thI yA unako sunanevAlommen bhI bahut mArgako pravartAnevAle unake pIchhe (hote hain)?
samAdhAna- unakI vANImen aisA atishay thA. kuchh taiyAr hote hain, AtmAmeen taiyAr ho jAte hain. unakA atishay aisA thA. anek jIv jAgRut ho jAy, AtmAmen. usakA puNyakA mel nahIn hotA. .. parantu bhagavAn jaisI vANIkA atishay aur vaisI jo rachanA hotI hai, vah nahIn hotA. vItarAgI vANI (hotI hai), vANImen vItarAgatA barasatI hai.
mumukShu- kevalagnAn prApta kar le vah alag bAt hai.
samAdhAna- hAn, kevalagnAn prApta kar le, parantu bAharakA sab vaisA hI ho aisA nahIn. usake sAth kisIkA mel nahIn hotA.
AchAryake bAd AchArya, aise sthApanA ho sakatI hai. bhagavAnake sAth kisIkI sthApanA nahIn ho sakatI. gurudev tIrthankar jaise vartamAnakAlamanen hue, vah dravya hI aisA thA.
mumukShu- tIrthankarakA dravya aur vaisA hI yoga.
samAdhAna- tIrthankarakA dravya thA. AchAryake bAd AchArya hote hain, munike bAd muni hote hain. aisA hotA hai. .. vaisA atishay yA vRundakA vRund taiyAr ho, aisA nahIn hotA. gurudev-se sab samUh taiyAr huA, aisA sab nahIn ho sakatA.
samAdhAna- vikalpa rahit jo Ananda Ave, vah Ananda aur vikalpa rahit Ananda, andar rAg chhUTakar jo Ananda Ave, us Anandamen pharka hotA hai.
mumukShu- ..
samAdhAna- vah to antarmuhUrtakI hI sthiti hotI hai. .. phir to dashA to svayam adhik puruShArtha kare to hotI hai. puruShArtha kare. abhI dravya aur paryAyakA mel samajhanA chAhiye ki dravya aur paryAy kyA hai.
mumukShu- pariNAmI AtmA aur apariNAmI.
samAdhAna- pariNAmI hai. kis apekShA-se pariNAmI hai? kis apekShA-se nahIn hai. vah sab apekShA samajhakar usakA mel karanA chAhiye. vikalpa-se rahit AtmA hai. AtmAmen hai hI nahIn aisA nakkI kiyA, parantu usakI gauNatAmen dekhe to vikalpa hai. parantu vikalpa mUl svarUpamen nahIn hai.
jaise sphaTik maNi hai vah svabhAv-se nirmal hai. nirmal hai, parantu lAl-pIle phUlakA