mumukShu- satpuruShakI divya vANI sunaneke bajAy, usamen matabhed khaDe karake, rokaTok karake svayamko jo lAbh prApta honA chAhiye, usakI jagah dUsarA sab hone lagA.
samAdhAna- .. vah to sthUl thA, gurudevane to sUkShma batAyA. usamen (matabhed) ho gaye.
mumukShu- vAstavamen to antaramen svayamkA karanA thA, use chhoD diyA aur bAharamen sab lag gaye. yah karo aur vah karo.
samAdhAna- hAn, bAharamen A gaye. gurudev svayamkA karaneko kahate the.
mumukShu- sankShepamen Apane bahut kah diyA.
samAdhAna- gurudev kahate hI the, antarakA grahaN kara. sahaj prabhAvanAkA bhAv ho, alag bAt hai. phir is prakArakI takarAr to nahIn honI chAhiye.
mumukShu- yahAn kisakA pratibandha hai? yahAn Aneke liye kaun rokatA hai? abhiprAy bhinna paD gaye ho, gurudevane jo kahA hai, vah karanA nahIn hai aur apane-apane abhiprAyase bhinna-bhinna (bAt karake) aisA karo, aisA karo. aise matabhed ho jAte hain. koI kyA kare?
samAdhAna- ... yah gurudevakI bhUmi hai. jise-jise bhAvanA hotI hai, vah sab Ate hain. matabhed achchhA nahIn lagatA. shAntise... lekin kyA ho sakatA hai? koI upAy hI nahIn hai.
mumukShu- ... bahut mahenat karake nAmamen thoDA ThIk kiyA to phir vApas...
samAdhAna- gurudevashrIkA abhiprAy andar UtAre to hotA hai.
mumukShu- Ap sab AIye, ... kuchh kare. ... siddhAntik viShay hai.
samAdhAna- gurudev gaye hI nahIn. ... kitanA prakAsh kiyA, usake sAth dUsarekA mel kahAn-se ho? gurudevane mArga prakAshit kiyA, usake sAth dUsarekA mel kahAnse ho? vah pUrA sampradAy judA. unakA mArga to unhonne bhinna hI prakAshit kiyA.
mumukShu- AgnA jaisA viShay samajhamen nahIn AtA hai, dUsarI kaun-sI bAt samajhamen AtI hogI? ... kisI bhI bAtakA vichAr karanekA prashna kahAn hai? maryAdA binAke vichAr kahAn tak le jAte hain.
samAdhAna- ... mArga grahaN kiyA, aisA mArga milA, gurudevane yah samajhAyA. dharmakI prabhAvanA karaneke liye apanA abhiprAy rakhaneke liye maryAdA bAhar pahunch jAnA. maryAdA chhoDakar.... jitanI apanI bhAvanA ho... maryAdA bAhar chale jAnA? kahAn jAnA hai yah mAlUm nahIn paDatA. virodhamen kahAn tak pahunch jAnA, vah bhI mAlUm nahIn paDatA. svayam apanA karanA. bAhar sab apane abhiprAy anusAr ho jAnA chAhiye, us prakArake virodhamen