mumukShu- paramANuko athavA pudagal svayamko arpaN karate hain. aur AtmA dekhatA- jAnatA hai. to rajakaN kevaladarshanIko kaisA arpaN karanA...
samAdhAna- .. aisA usakA gnAn hotA hai, vaisA usakA gney hotA hai. jaisA gney hotA hai, vaisA gnAn hotA hai. vah to sambandha hI hotA hai. use arpaN nahIn karatA. darpaNamen pratibimb dikhate hain. us pratibimbarUp darpaN svayam pariNamatA hai. pratibimb andar pravesh nahIn karate, darpaNake andar pravesh nahIn karate.
mumukShu- vah darpaNakI svachchhatA hai.
samAdhAna- hAn, vah darpaNakI svachchhatA hai. vaise gnAnakI svachchhatA hai ki jaisA gney ho vaise gnAn pariNamatA hai. gnAn pariNamatA hai. vah bAhya gney Akar andar kuchh nahIn karatA hai. aur gnAn vahAn jAkar, darpaN bAhar pratibimbamen jAkar kuchh nahIn karatA hai, vaise gnAn bAhar jAkar gneyonko kuchh nahIn karatA hai.
mumukShu- kevalionkI vANI aisI hotI hai ki ve kahe vaisA hI bane. to vANI to pudagal hai, to usamen aisI kaisI shakti AyI?
samAdhAna- vANI to pudagal hai. parantu jaisA vastukA svarUp hai, vaisI vANI nikalatI hai. dUrase, jaise chumbak hotA hai, vah chumbak sUIko nahIn kahatA hai ki tU yahAn A. aur vah sUIko khInchane bhI nahIn jAtA. aur sUI svatantra AtI hai. aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha jagatamen pudagalonke (bIch hotA hai). aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai.
mumukShu- lekin vah sambandha nahIn hai.
samAdhAna- vah kuchh karatA nahIn hai. chumbak sUIko kuchh karane nahIn jAtA hai aur sUI chumbakake kAraN khInchI nahIn AtI. usakA svabhAv hI aisA hai. jahAn chumbak ho vahAn sUI Aye. bas, aisA sambandha hI hai. svatantra pariNaman hai.
mumukShu- ...
samAdhAna- bhinna dravya na rahe, yadi usakA prabhAv paDatA ho to.
mumukShu- ... achchhI aspatAl ho to main aspatAl ban jAUn. merI aspatAl,.. main aspatAl ban gayA.
samAdhAna- aspatAl par prabhAv nahIn paDatA.
mumukShu- prabhAv paDe to vah, vah ban jAya. to tIrthankar sharIr ban jAya. tIrthankarane paramANuko saumyA banAyA ho to..
mumukShu- prabhAvakA artha aisA nahIn kar sakate, mAno ham log baiThe hain aur usamen AtmA hI vaise pariNamatA hai. usamen to usako AtmAko kuchh nahIn hai, parantu