anubhav hai. isaliye gnAnIkI kyA vartanA pariNati hotI hai, vah gnAnI hI jAnate hain. parantu mumukShu svayam vichAr kare to vichArase amuk prakArase use nakkI ho sakatA hai. barAbar yathArtha to gnAnIkI vartanA gnAnI hI jAnate hain. parantu mumukShu vichAr kare to nakkI kar sakatA hai.
mumukShu- mumukShu hai use andar tattvakA to yathArtha nirNay hotA hai, bAhya lakShaNase...?
samAdhAna- hAn, vah to bAhya lakShaNase jAne. parantu usakI jignAsA amuk prakArakI hai, isaliye bAhya lakShaNase jAne. parantu antaramen use yathArtha jAnanA to mushkil paDe. to bhI mumukShu satpuruShako pahachAn sakatA hai, bAhya lakShaNase. antaramen use bhedagnAnakI pariNati kaise chalatI hai, vah use yathArthapane barAbar nahIn jAnatA hai, parantu use amuk anumAn dvArA jAn sakatA hai ki inakI vANI kuchh alag hai, vartan alag hai, unake parichayase, unakI vANIse amuk samajh sakatA hai. vANI dvArA, unake parichay dvArA unakA AtmA kyA kAm karatA hai, use amuk prakArase jAn sakatA hai. nahIn to satpuruShako pahachAne kaise? har jagah AtmA.. AtmA.. AtmA. use usakI pariNatimen AtmA hI hai.
munionkI to bAt hI alag hai. unako to bAharakA sab chhUT gayA hai. muni to kShaN-kShaNamen AtmA... gnAyakakI pariNati to hai parantu unhen svAnubhUti antarmuhUrta-antarmuhUrtamen hotI hai.
mumukShu- .. kaun-se guNasthAn tak...?
samAdhAna- shrAvak chhaThThe guNasthAn paryant aur pancham guNasthAn paryanta. deshashrAvak hai vah pancham guNasthAn aur avirati shrAvak hai vah chaturtha guNasthAn paryant hote hain. muni chhaThThe-sAtaven guNasthAnamen hote hain. muniko baDh gayI hai. svAnubhUtikI dashA baDh gayI hai. shrAvakonko bhedagnAnakI dhArA hai aur svAnubhUti bhI hai. parantu munionko tvarAse svAnubhUti hotI hai. munionkI sthiti baDhatI hai, kAl baDhatA hai, sab tvarAse hotA hai. abhI vartamAnamen koI muni dikhAI nahIn dete. parantu munidashA panchamakAlake ant tak hai, chhaThThA- sAtavAn guNasthAna. shAstramen AtA hai ki Akhir tak bhAvalingI muni honevAle hain. abhI bhI chhaTThA-sAtavAn guNasthAn hai. vartamAnamen aise muni dikhAI nahIn dete, lekin hai sahI. koI-koI kAlamen hote hain, chhaThThe-sAtaven guNasthAnamen jhulate hue muni. aTThAIs mUlaguN, antaramen AtmAkI dashA pragaT huI ho. aTThAIs mUlaguN kisIko bAharase hote hain, antarakI dashAke sAth ho vah bhAvalingI muni (hain).
mumukShu- bAharamen dikhAI nahIn dete ho, antarakI sthiti usakI UnchI ho to...?
samAdhAna- jise antarakA ho use bAharamen hotA hai, aisA sambandha hai. aisA AtA hai. antarang dashA ho use bAhar hotA hai. bAhar ho aur andar ho yA nahIn bhI ho.