bhI jAnatA hai. donon-gnAnadhArA aur udayadhArA ekasAth chalatI hai.
mumukShu- kabhI kahate hain ki mAtAjI! vedanamen Aye vahI AtmA hai, kabhI kahate hain, trikAlI dravya vahI AtmA hai. vedanamen Aye vah AtmA, dravya vah AtmA nahIn.
samAdhAna- vah to apekShAse kahate hain. vedanamen AtA hai isaliye vah jaisA hai vaisA vedanamen AtA hai. aise paryAy apekShAse (kahanemen AtA hai). bAkI anAdiananta jo gnAyak svabhAv hai vahI AtmA hai.
mumukShu- vyavahAranayase kathanI kahI?
samAdhAna- paryAyakA vedan aur dravya (kahA vah) dUsarI apekShAse (kahanemen AtA hai) ki anAdiananta AtmA hai vah dravya.
mumukShu- samyagdarshan-gnAn-chAritrANi mokShamArga matalab usamen ... kyA hono chAhiye?
samAdhAna- usamen ramaNatA nahIn huI na. gnAyakakI dRuShTi kI, gnAn kI. usakI ramaNatA, usakI chAritrakI dashA-vItarAgatA pragaT honI chAhiye. samyagdarshan pragaT huA, gnAn kiyA bAdamen ramaNatA pragaT hotI hai, svarUp ramaNatA. vItarAg dashA pragaT hotI hai.
mumukShu- samyagdarshan, samyaggnAn aur samyakachAritra prApta karaneke bAd bhI yah jarUrI hai ki ...
samAdhAna- pUrNa prApti ho jAy bAdamen to kuchh nahIn rahatA. bAdamen nahIn rahatA. alpa chAritra hai, alpa svarUp ramaNatA hai.
mumukShu- abhI svAmIjI to hamAre sAmane nahIn hai, lekin kahate hain ki jab koI tIrthankar hon yA ... jaise ki ham log bolate hain ki kAnajIsvAmI mokShagAmI jIv the. kAnajIsvAmIko kaise mAlUm paDA ki vah mokShagAmI jIv hain? jaise apane purANamen AyA ki unhonne darpaNake sAmane dekhA to unako apane pUrva bhavakA janma dikhAyI diyA. vaise kAnajIsvAmIko kab anubhav huA ki vah mokShagAmI jIv hai?
samAdhAna- kAnajIsvAmIko antar svAnubhUti huI.
mumukShu- magar kabhI usakA ek paryAyArthik samay AtA hai, abhI jaise koI bhI mokShagAmI jIv to ho sakatA hai, koI bhI ho sakatA hai, ham bhI ho sakate hain, ye bhI ho sakate hain, ye bhI ho sakate hain, magar unakA ek kAl AyagA-ak samay AyagA tabhI unako mahesUs hogA, nahIn to aise nahIn ho sakatA.
samAdhAna- puruShArtha karake usako svAnubhUti hotI hai, vah jAn sakatA hai ki main mokShagAmI hUn.
mumukShu- ye to nishchit hai ki kAnajIsvAmI gurudev mokShagAmI jIv the. ye to