hAthakI bAt hai, usase ChUTanA vah bhI apane hAthakI bAt hai. janma-maraN karanevAlA svaya.n svata.ntra aur mokSha karanevAlA bhI svaya.n svata.ntra hai. aisI svata.ntratA AtmAkI hai. apanI svata.ntratAse svaya.n palaTatA hai. usame.n guru nimitta hote hai.n, dev nimitta ho.n, shAstra nimitta ho.n, parantu palaTanekA mUl kAraN to svaya.nkA hI hai. rakhaDanevAlA bhI svaya.n aur mokSha karanevAlA bhI svaya.n hI hai.
mumukShuH- sab AtmAko sAkShAtkAr ho, aisA kuCh hai? athavA usame.n bhI koI bhinna-bhinna star hogA?
samAdhAnaH- AtmAkA svabhAv to aisA hI hai ki Atma sAkShAtkAr kar sake.
mumukShuH- kar sake, koI bhI AtmA kar sakatA hai.
samAdhAnaH- koI bhI AtmA kar sakatA hai. parantu usakA puruShArtha svaya.nko karanA paDatA hai.
mumukShuH- usame.n bhI koI bhUmikA hai ki yah pratham bhUmikA hai, dUsarI bhUmikA hai, ek usase U.NchA hai. koI thoDe puruShArthase Upar A jAy, kisIko AjIvan, dUsare janmame.n bhI puruShArtha karanA paDe?
samAdhAnaH- jisake puruShArthakI mandatA hotI hai vah la.nbe samay tak puruShArtha karatA rahe. thoDA-thoDA, thoDA-thoDA puruShArtha karatA rahe, ugratA na ho to la.nbe kAl tak chalatA hai. koI jIvako aisI ugratA ho jAy to kShaNamAtrame.n svaya.n palaT jAtA hai, to jaldI kare. jisakA puruShArtha dhIre-dhIre, dhIre-dhIre chalatA ho to la.nbA kAl chalatA rahe. aur ugratA Aye to turanta ho jAya.
mumukShuH- nahI.n, jaise hamAre dharmame.n kahate hai.n ki karmakI thIyarI gine. Apake karma hI amuk prakArase khatma hote jAy, aise tumhe AtmAke sAth...?
samAdhAnaH- nahI.n. karma hai na vah karma to mAtra nimitta hai. karmake kAraN jIv rakhaDatA hai (aisA nahI.n hai).
mumukShuH- to phir apaneme.n ek gharakI do bahane.n ho.n, unakA byAh huA ho, ek hI gharame.n baDI huI hai.n, to koI ek sAdhAraN gharame.n jAtI hai, ek baDe gharame.n jAtI hai, to vah usake karma anusAr hai?
samAdhAnaH- vah karma anusAr hai. vah to puNya-pApakA kAraN hai. puNya-pApakA kAraN hai. pUrvame.n svaya.nne...
mumukShuH- usI tarah AtmAko bhI DigrI anusAr koI pharka hotA hogA na?
samAdhAnaH- bAhya sa.nyog prApta honA vah sab puNya-pApakA kAraN hai. lekin andar AtmAkA parivartan karanA vah apane puruShArthakI bAt hai.