Atmadharma magazine - Ank 037 (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Page: 8.

kāratakaḥ 2473ḥ 7ḥ
nā svarūpapaṇe nathī, agni pāṇīnā svarūpapaṇe nathī. ām hovāthī teo ek bījānun kāī ja karī shakatā nathī. jo
agnie pāṇīne unun karyun em mānīe to uparanā badhā siddhānt tūṭī jāy arthāt dravyanā aguru–laghutva guṇano
nāsh thāy, badhā guṇono nāsh thāy ane dravyo ek bījāmān bhaḷī jaīne dravyano paṇ nāsh thāy. māṭe koī dravya
bījā dravyanun kāī ja karī shakatun nathī.

sureshḥ– vastumān ‘nāstitva’ guṇ chhe em samajavāthī shun lābh?
dīneshḥ– vastunā svabhāvamān je guṇ hoy te guṇ jāṇavāthī vastunun svarūp khyālamān āve chhe ane tethī

samyagdarshan–samyaggnān thāy chhe. nāstitvaguṇ eṭale ātmā pararūpe nathī ane paradravyo ātmārūpe nathī. ām
samajatān sharīramān rog āve to jāṇe chhe ke te roganī mārāmān nāsti chhe, mārun gnān rogathī judun chhe. māro koī guṇ
sharīrarūpe nathī tethī sharīramān rog āvavāthī mane nukasān thatun nathī, temaj sharīr nirog hoy tene līdhe mane lābh
thato nathī. ane sharīranī mārāmān nāsti hovāthī hun sharīranun kāī kām karī shakun nahi. ām, nāstitvaguṇanī
samajaṇ thatān nirantar sva–paranā bhinnapaṇāno khyāl rahe chhe ane tethī shānti rahe chhe, sharīr, paisā vagere chālyā
javāthī ātmāmānthī kāī chālyun jatun nathī, kemake gnānasvarūp ātmāmān sharīr paisā vagerenī nāsti chhe.

sureshḥ– sāchā dev–guru–shāstra, puṇyanā phaḷano sanyog vagere koī padārthathī tamane lābh thāy ke nahi?
dīneshḥ– mane mārī sāchī samajaṇathī lābh thāy, parantu dev–guru–shāstra ke puṇya vagere koīthī lābh thāy

nahi kemake te badhā padārthono mārā ātmāmān abhāv chhe, mārāmān te koī nathī, je padārtho mārā ātmāmān nathī te
padārtho mārā ātmāne kāī karī shake nahi.

sureshḥ– parathī kāī lābh–nukasān thāy nahi–em samajavāthī shun lābh?
dīneshḥ– vastu svarūp ja e pramāṇe chhe māṭe tem samajavāthī ja samyaggnān thāy chhe. par dravyothī mane kāī

lābh–nukasān thatun nathī em samaje tyāre par dravyo pratye mohabuddhi ke ahaṅkār thato nathī, ane tethī rāg–dveṣh paṇ
ghaṭe chhe ane shānti–sukh thāy chhe. par dravyanī oshiyāḷarūp parādhīnatā jīv mānī beṭho chhe te mānyatā sāchun
samajatān ṭaḷī jāy chhe. potānā doṣhathī ja potāne nukasān thāy chhe em samaje to potāno doṣh ṭāḷīne te nukasān
ṭāḷe ane guṇano lābh thāy.

sureshḥ– jo ek dravya bījā dravyanun kāī na karatun hoy to ā jaḍ dehanī vyavasthā koṇ kare chhe?
dīneshḥ– jaḍ dehamān anant rajakaṇ–paramāṇuo chhe, te darek svatantra dravya chhe. te darek paramāṇu dravyamān

chhe.

sureshḥ– ek māṇas marī gayo, bījo koī māṇas tene snehathī khavarāvavā, pīvarāvavā tathā tenī sāthe

vātachīt karavā ichchhe chhe, parantu te marelo māṇas khāto nathī, pīto nathī temaj bolato nathī; tethī te bījo māṇas
manamān duḥkhī thaī rahyo chhe, to tenun duḥkh maṭāḍavāno shun upāy?

dīneshḥ– sthuḷapaṇe joīe to te jīvane duḥkh ṭāḷavā māṭe be upāy jaṇāy chhe–(1) kān to te jīvanī

ichchhā pramāṇe sāmun maḍadun khāy, pīye ane vātachīt kare to duḥkh ṭaḷe, ane (2) kān to tene khavarāvavā vagere
sambandhīnī ā jīvanī ichchhā dūr thāy to tenun duḥkh ṭaḷe.

have visheṣh vichār karatān spaṣhṭa jaṇāy chhe ke pahelo upāy to tadna ashakya chhe eṭale ke kharekhar te upāy

ja nathī, kemake maḍadun kadī paṇ khāvā pīvānun nathī, tethī jyān sudhī te maḍadānne maḍadān tarīke nahi jāṇe tyān sudhī tenun
duḥkh kadī paṇ maṭavānun nathī. bījo upāy svādhīn hovāthī te upāy jīv karī shake chhe. parantu jyān sudhī, ‘ā maḍadun
chhe ane te kadāpi khāvā pīvānun nathī’ em te jīvane vishvās na āve tyān–

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