Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (English transliteration). Track: 4.

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amRut vANI (bhAg-2)
(prashamamUrti pUjya bahenashrI champAbahen kI
AdhyAtmik tattvacharchA)
Trek-004 (audio) (View topics)

hAn, vah to sharIr kiyA karatA hai. sharIr bhinna aur AtmA, donon vastu bhinna hai. vibhAv AkulatA ho lekin vah apanA svabhAv nahIn hai.

prashna- ho jAtI hai.

samAdhAna- vah apanA svabhAv nahIn hai. vibhAv svayam hI AkulatAsvarUp hai, vah dukharUp hai, usase AtmA bhinna hai. usase AtmA ko bhinna pahichAnanA, bhedagnAn karanA, usakA prayAs karanA, vahI kartavya hai, jIvan men vahI karane jaisA hai. sukh aur shAnti usamen hI hai, bAhar kahIn bhI sukh-shAnti hai hI nahIn.

prashna- bAhya sukh men mAtAjI! itanI bhrAnti rahatI hai. svAdhyAy karate samay lage ki gnAyak men hI sukh bharA hai. lekin bAhar men thoDe bhI anukUl sanyog mile, isase to achchhA huA, aisI bhrAnti men anukUlatA lagatI hai. vibhAv men hI rahanA hotA hai. vah kyon nahIn chhUTatA hai?

samAdhAna- anAdi kA abhyAs hai, ekatvabuddhi anAdi kA anAdi kA hai. usase bhinna honA vah svayam prayAs kare to chhUTe. nirantar usakA abhyAs karanA paDe, nirantar, nirantar, nirantar karanA paDe. to hotA hai. anAdi kA pravAh hai usamen dauDatA


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hai. svayam jAnanevAlA andar bhinna hI hai. jAnanevAle men hI sab bharA hai. vastu hI vahI hai. jAnanevAlA hai usamen hI pUrA mahattva aur pUrNa Ashcharya bharA hai. bAhar men kahIn bhI Ashcharya nahIn hai. lekin usako bAhar men ekatvabuddhi ke kAraN doD jAtA hai, bAhar men Ashcharya lagatA hai. bAhar men kahIn bhI Ashcharya nahIn hai. Ashcharya to andar AtmA hI AshcharyarUp vastu hai, vahI anupam hai. usake jaisA koI nahIn hai. yah sab to parapadArtha hai. jagat men anupam aur AshcharyakArI padArtha ho to AtmA hI hai. usakA bAr-bAr abhyAs, usakI mahimA, usake-tattva ke-vastu ke vichAr (karanA). vah nahIn ho tabatak shubhabhAv men jinendradev, guru aur shAstra kI mahim (karanI). bAkI andar shuddhAtmA, dhyey to ek shuddhAtmA kA honA chAhiye. AtmA hI sarvasva hai.

prashna- gnAyak men ekatvabuddhi kaise karanI? mAtAjI!

samAdhAna- vah to svayam prayAs kare to hotI hai, binA prayAs hotI nahIn. par ke sAth ekatvabuddhi pratikShaN aisI anAdi kI bhrAnti ke kAraN usake sAth ekamek ho gayA hai. utanA prayAs andar apanA svabhAv hai usamen kare to ek kShaN men ho aisA hai. lekin nahIn ho tabatak usakA nirantar abhyAs karanA chAhiye. vah to aise hI chaubIson ghaNTe ekatvabuddhi chal rahI hai. bArambAr usase bhinna hone kA prayatna kare to hotA hai. dUsare kA main kar sakatA hUn aur merA dUsarA kar sakatA hai, aisI anek prakAr kI bhrAnti kartAbuddha kI, ekatvabuddhi kI anek prakAr kI (chalatI hai). usamense main to gnAyak hUn, isaprakAr gnAyak kI or jhukanA apane hAth kI bAt hai. ruchi kare.

prashna- mAtAjI! ek prashna kI mujhe hameshA ulajhan rahatI hai ki anubhUti ke kAl men jab apanI dRuShTi vahAn hotI hai, usamen ekAkAr ho, us vakta use par kA bhI gnAn hotA hai yA us vakta mAtra sva kA hI arthAt main gnAyak chidAnand kA hI gnAn hotA hai yA par kA bhI sAth men (hotA hai)? us vakta upayog to andar hai, anubhUti ke kAl men, to us vakta par kA gnAn (kaise ho)?

samAdhAna- par kI or upayog nahIn hai, shuddhAtmA kI or upayog hai. svAnubhUti.. sva kI or upayog hai isaliye sva kI or kA gnAn (hai). par or kA gnAn, us or upayog nahIn hai. vah sab use gauN ho gayA, chhUT gayA hai. par or ke buddhipUrvak ke vikalpa chhUT gaye hain. us or-par or usakA upayog hI nahIn hai. apanI svAnubhUti men upayog hai.

prashna- sAdhakadashA men dRuShTi vahAn ho lekin sAdhakadashA men sva aur par donon


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kA gnAn...

samAdhAna- svAnubhUti ke kAl men nahIn hai. svAnubhUti ke kAl men vikalpa chhUT gayA isaliye..

prashna- nahIn, mAtAjI! anubhUti ke kAl men nahIn aur anubhUtimen-se bAhar AyA us vakta..

samAdhAna- us samay to sab gnAn hotA hai. vah to apanI gnAyak kI pariNati bhinna pariNamatI hai aur usake sAth upayog bAhar jAtA hai isaliye sab khyAl hai. sva aur par donon kA jAnatA hai. svayam ko gnAyak ko jAnatA hai aur vibhAv ko bhI jAnatA hai. jo-jo vikalpa Ate hain un sab ko jAnatA hai.

prashna- jAnatA hai, tadAkAr (nahIn hotA). mAtra gnAyak jAnanevAlA hai utanA hI samyagdRuShTi ko rahatA hai.

samAdhAna- ekatvabuddhi nahIn hai, pratikShaN bhedagnAn vartatA hai.

prashna- anubhUti kAl men svaparaprakAshak AtmA kA gnAyak kA guN hai to us vakta paraprakAshak men vah main nahIn, us prakAr kA gnAn to vartatA hogA na?

samAdhAna- us vakta usakA upayog hI nahIn hai. svabhAv to svaparaprakAshak hai hI, lekin vah kArya men nahIn hai, upayog svasanmukh hai aur chhadmastha hai. kevalagnAnI ko nirmalatA ho gaI hai isaliye svaparaprakAshak pratyakSha gnAn ho gayA. chhadmastha kA upayog hai vah ek samay men ek hI or kAm karatA hai. isaliye svAnubhUti ke kAl men jo svaparaprakAshak usakA svabhAv hai, us svabhAv kA nAsh nahIn huA hai. lekin upayog usakA svasanmukh hai. us gnAn kA nAsh nahIn huA, vah hai use. labdha men hai, use shakti men hai, nAsh nahIn hota. chhadmastha kA upayog ek samay men ek or hI hotA hai.

sansAr kA ras andar ekatvabuddhi toDakar andar AtmA kI ruchi lage, AtmA kI mahimA lage to hotA hai. AtmA koI apUrva vastu, anupam vastu hai. ananta janma- maraN karate-karate manuShyadeh mile usamen yah AtmA koI anupam tattva hai. usakI shraddhA pahale to andarase ho. use pahichAnane kA prayatna kare to hotA hai. nahIn ho tabatak vichAr, vAnchan, dev-guru-shAstra kI mahimA (AtI hai), lekin dhyey ek (hotA hai ki) mujhe AtmA kaise pahichAnane men Aye? usakI gaharI jignAsA andar karanI chAhiye. bAhar kA ras nyUn ho jAya. andar chaitanya kI mahimA vRuddhigat ho to hotA hai.

ananta kAlase jIvane bAhya kriyA men dharma mAn liyA hai, bAharase dharma mAn liyA


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hai, dharma to andar AtmA men hai. svabhAv ko pahichAne to dharma hotA hai. apane svabhAv men dharma rahA hai. dharma bAhar nahIn hai. jahAn apanA jAnan svabhAv hai, vahIn usakA dharma rahA hai. use pahichAne, usakI shraddhA kare, usakA gnAn kare, usamen lInatA kare to mukti kA mArga pragaT hotA hai.

... vah sab to bAhar kA hai. andar AtmA ko pahichAne to hotA hai. andar AtmA kI mahimA lage, ruchi lage, AtmA ko pahichAne to hotA hai. andarase bhedagnAn kare. sachche guru, sachche shAstra ko grahaN kare, usakI mahimA kare. lekin karanA to khud ko hI hai, koI kar nahIn detA. vah sab shubhabhAv hai, lekin jabatak AtmA pahachAnA nahIn jAye tabatak ashubhabhAvase bachane ke liye shubhabhAv Ate hain. dev-guru- shAstra kI mahimA ityAdi shubhabhAv Ate hain. lekin un sabase AtmA bhinna hai andara. svayam prayatna kare to hotA hai. shuddhAtmA kaise pahichAnA jAy, dhyey usakA honA chAhiye.

koI kisIkA kuchh kar nahIn sakatA. sab ke puNya-pAp ke uday anusAr hotA hai. svayam bhAv kare ki main isakA achchhA karun, bAkI usake puNya-pAp ke uday anusAr hotA hai. khud to bhAv karake nimitta banatA hai. bAkI sAmanevAle kA uday hotA hai, usake rajakaN svatantra hai, sharIr ke, rog ke. vah khud kuchh kar nahIn sakatA, bhAv kare to nimitta hotA hai. kisI bhI dravya kA koI kArya kar nahIn sakatA. yah kyA isamen AtA hai? AtmA kA svarUp kyA? tattva kA kyA, dravya-guN-paryAy kA kyA svarUp hai, usakA svAdhyAy kare. panchamakAl men janma lekar mahAn upakAr kiyA hai. gurudevane sab ko AtmasvarUp kI pahachAn karavAI. hindI, gujarAtI sabhI ko jAgRut kiye. mahAn upakAr gurudev kA.

prashna- us vakta upayog bAhar AyA ho, dharmAtmA ko usakA vedan jo chAlU rahatA hai vah gnAn men pakaD men AtA hai?

samAdhAna- pakaD men AtA hai, barAbar pakaD men AtA hai. svAnubhUtimen-se bAhar AtA hai phir use jo gnAyak kI shuddha pariNati vartatI hai, vah shuddha pariNati use barAbar pakaD men AtI hai.

mumukShu- vedan pakaD men AtA hai?

samAdhAna- hAn, vedan pakaD men AtA hai. nahIn pakaD men Aye to vah sAdhakadashA hI nahIn hai.

prashna- upayog bAhar men hai na.

samAdhAna- upayog bAhar hai, lekin andar pariNati chAlU hai.


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prashna- pariNati kA vedan hai?

samAdhAna- hAn, pariNati kA vedan hai. upayog bhale hI bAhar hai, parantu pariNati kArya karatI hai. khud bhinna hI rahatA hai, upayog bAhar jAtA hai to bhI svayam gnAyak kI dhArA bhinna hI (rahatI hai). koI bhI vikalpa Aye, vahAn upayog bAhar men rukatA hai to bhI ekatvabuddhi TUT gaI hai, bhedagnAn kI dhArA vartatI hai aur gnAyak kI pariNati bhinna vartatI hai. us pariNati kA use vedan hai. Anshik shAnti-samAdhi vartatI hai. pahale kI bhAnti ekamek AkUlatArUp nahIn ho jAtA, bhinna rahatA hai. us pariNati kA use vedan hai. usakA upayog bhale hI bAhar hai isaliye khud ko svayam kA vedan nahIn hai yA jAn nahIn sakatA, upayog vahAn jAye to hI jAne aisA nahIn hai, usakI pariNati vahAn kArya karatI hai.

prashna- shAnti kA vedan use sahajarUpase chAlU hI hai aur vah use anubhav men A rahA hai.

samAdhAna- sahajapane chAlU hI rahatA hai. nirvikalpa kA Ananda vah ek alag chIj hai, lekin vartamAn dhArA men shAnti kA vedan usase vartatA hI rahatA hai.

prashna- mAtAjI! in donon ke bIch men kyA pharka paDatA hai? nirvikalpa ke samay jo AhlAd kA anubhav hotA hai aur pariNati men jo shAnti kA vedan hotA hai, in donon ke bIch kyA antar hai?

samAdhAna- vikalpa chhUTakar Ananda AtA hai vah Ananda alag hai. vikalpa or kA upayog chhUT gayA aur mAtra AtmA rah gayA. upayog AtmA men jam gayA aur vah jo Ananda AtA hai, vikalpa chhUTakar jo Ananda AtA hai, AtmA par dRuShTi to thI lekin usamen jo lIn ho gayA, vah lIn hokar jo Ananda AtA hai vah alag hai. bhedagnAn kI dhArA ke bIch savikalpadashA men vah Ananda nahIn hotA. use shAnti hotI hai.

prashna- vah AhlAd alag prakAr kA hai.

samAdhAna- vah AhlAd alag prakAr kA hai. bIch men jo rahatA hai vah shAnti kA vedan rahatA hai. savikalpatA. vah shAnti kA jo vedan hai, vaisA shAnti kA vedan ekatvabuddhi men nahIn hotA. bhrAnti kI dashA men vah shAnti kA vedan nahIn hotA. samyagdRuShTi ko bhedagnAn kI dhArA men jo shAnti kA vedan hai, vaisA vedan, vah vedan ekatvabuddhi men, bhrAnti men nahIn hotA. vah vedan alag hai. lekin usase bhI jo nirvikalpadashA kA AhlAd hai vah AhlAd alag hai. vikalpa chhUTakar jo AtA hai, AkulatA, jo asthiratA thI vah asthiratA bhI gauN ho gaI, abuddhipUrvak ho gaI, isaliye asthiratA


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bhI nahIn hai. mAtra upayog jam gayA, khud AtmA men ekAkAr ho gayA. isaliye vah Ananda alag hai. aur savikalpatA men Anshik asthiratA hai. isaliye jitanI dashA bhedagnAn kI dhArA kI jo chAlU hai us shAnti kA use vedan hai.

prashna- jAt ek hI hai ki alag kahI jAtI hai? jAt to ek hI hai na?

samAdhAna- jAt mAne shAnti alag hai. shAnti aur Ananda, ye donon alag chIj hai. hai sab paryAy shAnti, Ananda kI paryAyen hain, lekin vah Ananda alag hai aur yah shAnti alag hai.

prashna- atIndriy ke samay vah alag prakAr kA hai.

samAdhAna- vah jAti alag hai. savikalpatA men jo shAnti hai usase nirvikalpa dashA kA Ananda alag chIj hai, vah alag hai, ek nahIn hai. yah thoDA hai aur vah adhik ho gayA, aisA bhI nahIn hai. vah jAti alag hai. anupam hai, jise upamA lAgU nahIn hotI. vah alag hai. mAtra AtmA ke Ashrayase jo lInatA AtI hai vah alag AtI hai, andar lIn hokar AtI hai. vah siddhadashA ke samAn Ananda hai. vah alag hai. savikalpatA kI aur usakI jAti donon alag hai. sab ek chAritradashA kI paryAy kahI jAtI hai, lekin vah jAti alag hai. vah siddhadashA kA namUnA kahA jAtA hai, vah savikalpatA men nahIn hai. vah atIndriy nahIn hai, shAnti kA vedan hai, gnAyak kA vedan hai.

prashna- AtmA men yadi antarmuhUrta sthir ho to sIdhA kevalagnAn prApta kar le, itanA ugra hai. vah Ananda kI jAti bhI alag..

samAdhAna- vah Ananda kI jAti bhI alag aur usamen yadi sthir ho jAy, antarmuhUrtasi adhik sthir hove, antarmuhUrta kA hI upayog hai, usamen lInatA baDhakar chAritra kI or yadi shreNI jAye to kevalagnAn hotA hai. chAritradashA nahIn hai abhI, jo munion kI dashA hotI hai vaisI dashA (nahIn hai). shivabhUti muni ko vah dashA antarmuhUrta men A gayI to kevalagnAn pragaT huA. antar men hI yadi chAritra kI dashA A jAye to ho. lekin use antar men munidashA chAhiye, to kevalagnAn hotA hai.

prashna- samyagdarshan kI bhUmikA men jo shAnti kI dhArA chal rahI hai, vah pariNati atIndriy pariNati nahIn kahI jAtI hai na? indriyAdhIn...?

samAdhAna- indriyon kI AdhIn vah nahIn hai, khud ke AdhIn hai.

prashna- atIndriy pariNati ko atIndriy shabda.. atIndriy pariNati chal rahI hai, aisA kah sakate hain?

samAdhAna- indriyon ke AdhIn nahIn hai, usamen indriyon kA Ashray nahIn hai isaliye


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atIndriy kahen. use Ashray AtmA kA hai, shAnti ke vedan ko, use indriyon kA Ashray nahIn hai. atIndriy hai, hai atIndriy, lekin abhI usakA upayog bAhar hai na, isaliye jo nirvikalpa dashA kA Ananda hai vaisA Ananda nahIn AtA.

prashna- kahalAye atIndriy, phir bhI donon ke bIch..

samAdhAna- upayog nahIn huA hai na, pariNati atIndriy hai, upayog nahIn hai, upayog bAhar hai. bAhar upayog men sab Ashray chhUT jAy, mAtra chaitanya men upayog jam jAy to siddhadashA kA Ananda AtA hai.

prashna- mAtAjI! muni jo bArambAr nirvikalpa nirvikalpa nirvikalpa.. bAhya shubhAshubh bhAv men to itanI tAkat nahIn hai, to yah pariNati-shuddha pariNati vahan kar rahI hai vah upayog ko lAtI hogI na?

samAdhAna- shuddha pariNati svayam kI or upayog ko khInch letI hai. prayatnarUp dashA usakI chAlU hai. shuddha pariNati jo Anshik pragaT huI hai vah pariNati upayog ko apanI or khInch letI hai. antarmuhUrta antarmuhUrta men khInch lAtI hai. usakI dashA hI aisI hai ki jyAdA Tik hI nahIn pAtA. vikalpa kI dhArA men muni kI pariNati Tik hI nahIn pAtI. bArabAr pariNati svarUp men jam jAtI hai. aisI unakI puruShArtha kI dhArA sahaj hai. pariNati bAr-bAr upayog ko khInch letI hai.

prashna- upayog bAhar men ho tab shuddha pariNati ko labdha hai aisA kah sakate hain?

samAdhAna- hAn, use labdha kahate hain.

prashna- vaise to gnAn men hI labdhapanA hotA hai. labdha aur upayog to pariNati ko hI...

samAdhAna- labdha kah sakate hain. lekin vah labdha aisA nahIn hai ki ek or paDA hai. usakA labdha ughADarUp hai. use khyAl men Aye isaprakAr kArya karatA hai. labdha aisA hai. upayog kI apekShAse labdha kahate hain, bAkI pariNati kArya karatI hai. isaliye labdha hai vah khyAl men nahIn Aye aisA nahIn hai.

prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho!
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