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mumukShu- ... sAmAnya jIv jo divyadhvani sunate honge, ve bhI vahI bAt sunate hain aur kam samajhate hain aisA hai ki koI dUsarI bAt hai?

samAdhAna- ... bhagavAn kahate hain aisA samajhate hain lekin sabakI shakti anusAr samajhate hain, usake anusAr grahaN karate hain.

mumukShu- bAt to ek hI hai.

samAdhAna- bAt ek (hai). bhagavAnakI bahut apekShAse bAt AtI ho aur jisakI shakti ho us anusAr samajhate hain.

mumukShu- bahut bAr aisA kahanemen AtA hai ki uttar prApta huA, vah kyA hai?

samAdhAna- prashna to koI divyadhvanikA kAl ho tab nahIn, parantu dUsare prasangommen vah khAs-khAs prashna pUchhate hain. dUsare prashna nahIn pUchhate. koI gaNadhar, koI muni, koI chakravartI, koI aise rAjA (ho to) vaise prashna pUchhate hain.

mumukShu- dUsare koI jIv prashna nahIn pUchh sakate?

samAdhAna- use prashna utpanna ho to use samAdhAn hI ho jAye. prashna pUchhanA rahatA hI nahIn. jise jo prashnakA vikalpa hotA hai, vah bhagavAnakI vANImen sab A jAtA hai. usake prashnakA samAdhAn hI ho jAtA hai. divyadhvanimen sab A jAtA hai. jise jo prashna vikalpa utpanna ho, vah sab A jAtA hai.

yahAn gurudevakI vANI kaisI thI? unakI vANImen jise jo prashna utpanna ho vah gurudevakI vANImen A jAtA. bhagavAnakI divyadhvanimen (aisA hotA hai). jise prashna utpanna hote ho vah sab bhagavAnakI vANImen samAdhAn A jAtA hai. prashna karane jaisA kisIko rahatA nahIn.

mumukShu- prashna dUsare mahArAj pUchhate hain, aur vah bAt inako sunAI detI hai? sAmAnya jIvonko bhI sunAI detA hai ki indra ho unako hI sunAI detA hai?

samAdhAna- nahIn, sabako samajhamen AtA hai. sunAI detA hai?

mumukShu- jo-jo prashnakA uttar ho, vah dUsare jIvonko bhI (sunAI) detA hai?

samAdhAna- hAn, sunAI detA hai. grahaN usakI shakti anusAr karate hain.

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prashna- usakA samay bhinna-bhinna hotA hai? prashnakA aur vyAkhyAnakA? chaudah pUrva, bArah angakA bhinna-bhinna samay hotA hai?

samAdhAna- divyadhvani chhUTatI hI rahatI hai. usamen bIchamen koI prashna nahIn pUchhatA. bhagavAnako ichchhA kahAn hai, sahaj vANI chhUTatI hai. binA ichchhA. divyadhvanikA kAl ho tab divyadhvani chhUTatI hai. prashna to jisake puNya ho vah prashna kare aur vANImen uttar AtA hai. bAkI sabako bahubhAg to samAdhAn hI ho jAtA hai. prashna pUchhanA nahIn paDatA.

mumukShu- mukhya viShay to mAtra adhyAtmakA hI hotA hai ki dUsarA bhI hotA hai?

samAdhAna- jo muktikA mArga hai, bhagavAnakI vANImen sab AtA hai. chaudah brahmAnDakA svarUp pUrA AtA hai bhagavAnakI vANImen. sab AtA hai. dravyAnuyog, charaNAnuyog, adhyAtma Adi sabakuchh AtA hai. karaNAnuyoga. kuchh kam nahIn AtA, sab AtA hai. usamen mukhya kyA hai, muktikA mArga kyA hai, sabakuchh bhagavAnakI vANImen AtA hai.

mumukShu- yahAn kahanevAlA kramapUrvak kahatA hai, vahAn to aisA kuchh nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- sab ekasAth AtA hai. bhagavAnakA Ashay kyA hai vah samajh lete hain. .. sab AtA hai. .. bhagavAnakI vANImen bahut AtA hai, utanA grahaN nahIn hotA. bhagavAnakI vANImen chaudah brahmAnDakA pUrA svarUp AtA hai.

mumukShu- sAmAnya jIv pUrNa grahaN kar nahIn pAte.

samAdhAna- gaNadhar Adi sab kahate hain, prabhu! ApakI divyadhvaniko main pahunch nahIn pAtA. unhen chaudah pUrvakA gnAn pragaT hotA hai. prabhu! kahAn merA gnAn aur kahAn ApakA gnAn! kahAn ApakI vANI! Apake gahan rahasyonko main pahunch nahIn pAtA. ve bhI aisA kahate hain. ApakI apUrva vANIko main pahunch nahIn sakatA. aise gaNadhar, indro, munindro sab aisA kahate hain. sAmAnya to kyA jo shaktishAlI hain ve sab aisA kahate hain. kahAn prabhu ApakA gnAn ek samayamen lokAlokako jAnanevAlA, usamen dravya- guN-paryAyakA svarUp lokAlokako ek samayamen jAnate ho. ananta dravya, ananta dravyake guN-paryAy, sva aur par sabako ek samayamen jAnate ho. bhUtakAl, vartamAnakAl, bhaviShyakAl sab ek samayamen ApakI vANImen AtA hai. aisI ApakI vANIko is gnAnamen-kShayopasham gnAnamen-grahaN nahIn kar sakate hain. apUrva vANI! prabhu! main Apako pahunch nahIn pAtA hUn. hamArA alpagnAn ApakI apUrva vANI gahanatAse bharI, ham pahunch nahIn pAte. gaNadharako pUrNa shrutagnAn pragaT hotA hai to bhI ve aisA kahate hain.

mumukShu- kam pakaDamen AtA hai usamen bhI utanA hI Ananda AtA hai?

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samAdhAna- unhen Ananda AtA hai. prabhukI divya vANI kuchh apUrva kahatI hai, apUrvatAse pUrNa, bhagavAnakI agAdh rahasyonse bharI huI vANI hai. koI AtmAkA chamatkAr darshAnevAlI, chaitanyakA svarUp darshAnevAlI koI apUrva vANI hai. apUrva mahimA AtI hai.

yahAn gurudevakI vANImen sab ekasamAn grahaN kar sakate the? gurudevakI vANIkA sabhIko Ashcharya lagatA thA aur mahimA AtI thI. jo jIv kuchh nahIn samajhate the, koI anajAn Akar baiThe to bhI aisA lagatA ki yah vANI koI alag hai, aisA Ashcharya lagatA thA. sab ekasamAn samajhate nahIn the to bhI sabako Ashcharya lagatA thA.

ye to bhagavAnakI vANI hai. ek samayamen lokAlokako jAnanevAlA unakA gnAn, aisI unakI bhUmikA, ek samayamen jAnanevAlA jo kevalagnAn, usamense pariNamit hokar jo divyadhvani chhUTatI hai, us vANIkI kyA bAt karanI!? sabako ekadam Ashcharya lagatA hai. jagatase nirAlA koI alaukik unhen lagatA hai. vANI abhed-bhed kiye binA nikalatI hai. jagatase nirAlI vANI. sab kramase bolate hain, (unhen) kram nahIn paDatA, ekasAth agAdh svarUpako kahanevAlI (hai). bhagavAn bhinna, unakI vANI bhinna, sab bhinna (hai). ichchhApUrvak (vANI) nahIn nikalatI. sab mugdha ho jAte hain, mugdha hokar sunate hain.

mumukShu- ek samayamen chaudah brahmANDakA svarUp A jAtA hogA? chaudah brahmANDakA svarUp ek samayamen vANImen A jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- ek samayamen bhagavAn jAnate hain, vANImen jo AtA hai vah bahut svarUp AtA hai, pUrNarUpase AtA hai, to bhI AtmA bhinna hai aur vANI bhinna hai. to bhI usakA rahasya pUrA A jAtA hai. chaud brahmANDa. apUrNa kuchh bhI nahIn rahatA, pUrNa AtA hai. lekin AtmA bhinna hai aur vANI bhinna hai.

... nahIn paDatA, lekin vANImen AtA hai pUrNa, to bhI jo chaitanyamen bharA hai vah sab vANImen nahIn AtA hai. andar jo anubhavapUrva, bhagavAnakI anubhUti kevalagnAnapUrvakakI, (jisamen) samudra-dariyA bharA hai, vah sab vANImen (nahIn) AtA hai, to bhI ananta AtA hai.

andar anubhav jo kevalagnAn, svarUp ramaNatA jo pUrNa hai vah pUrNa chaitanya uchhalakar vANImen nahIn AtA, to bhI pUrNa AtA hai, apUrNa kuchh nahIn rahatA. AtA hai vah sab pUrNa AtA hai, lekin usamen chaitanyakA tal nahIn A jAtA. usakA pUrA rahasya A jAtA hai.

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mumukShu- ek samayamen rahasya pUrNa A jAtA hai, phir bhI kevalagnAnamen jo anubhUti hotI hai vah sab nahIn AtI.

samAdhAna- vah vANImen thoDe hI AtA hai, vANI aur vah bhinna-bhinna vastu hai. vah darshAyA nahIn jA sakatA. to bhI usakA Ashcharya (lagatA hai), to bhI darshAtI hai. bhagavAnakI vANI chaudah brahmANDakA svarUp darshAtI hai, muktikA mArga darshAtI hai, chaitanyakA chamatkAr darshAye, chaitanya koI apUrva vastu hai, vah sab darshAtI hai.

bhagavAnakI vANI sunakar kitane hI muni kevalagnAn prApta karate hain, koI muni ban jAte hain, koI samyagdRuShTi hote hain, kitane hI samavasaraNamen ho jAte hain. kitane hI antarmuhUrtamen ho jAte hain. aisA nimitta-upAdAnakA sambandha hai. bhagavAnakI vANI aisI joradAr hai ki ekadam ho jAtA hai. to bhI bhagavAnakI vANIkI aisI mahimA hai.

unako (gurudevako) svayamko Ashcharya lagatA thA ki isamen AchAryadevako bahut kahanA hai. phir svayam AhA..! karate the, to bhI unakI vANImen bahut AtA thA. gurudev kahate the, oho..! isamen AchAryadevako bahut (kahanA hai), oho..! isamen to bahut bharA hai. to bhI unako jo kuchh kahanA hai vah sab mAno andar rah jAtA thA, to bhI bahut AtA thA.

mumukShu- vANImen aisA kah sakate hain ki pUrA AtA hai, phir bhI bahut bAkI rah jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- to bhI andar rah jAtA hai. do dravya bhinna hai isaliye. chaitanya aur vANI (bhinna-bhinna hain). kevalagnAn prApta karate hain, kitane hI jIv muni ban jAte hain, kitane hI jIv shrAvak ban jAte hain, kitane hI jIv samyagdRuShTi banate hain, kitane! lAkhon- lAkhon! kevalagnAnIkI kuchh sankhyA hotI hai, munionkI kuchh (sankhyA hotI hai), shrAvakonkI to kitanI baDI sankhyA hotI hai. dharmakAl vartatA hai.

mumukShu- alaukik bAten aur Ashcharya utpanna ho aisI bAten hain.

samAdhAna- bhagavAnakA bolanA alag, bhagavAnakA chalanA alag, pUre jagatase nirAlA. aur vANI chhUTatI hai. upayog to andar svarUpamen jam gayA hai. nirAdhAr baiThate hain. sinhAsan, kamal Adi sabakI rachanA indra karate hain, phir bhI bhagavAn to nirAdhAr hote hain.

mumukShu- sab AshcharyakArI hai.

samAdhAna- AshcharyakArI. pUrNatA prApta ho gayI isaliye unakA sab alag ho jAtA hai, jagatase alag hotA hai.

mumukShu- puruShArtha vardhamAn honekA kAraN honA chAhiye, jIvako aisA ho jAtA hai ki mujhe to ab dharmAtmAkA yog ho gayA hai, aisA hotA hai, yah galat hai na?

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mujhe to dharmAtmAkA yog ho gayA hai, ab main pAr ho jAUngA, mujhe mokSha jAnemen koI dikkat nahIn AyegI, aisA karake puruShArtha kam ho jAye, aisA hotA hai? aisA nahIn honA chAhiye.

samAdhAna- aisA nahIn honA chAhiye. dharmAtmA mile lekin svayamko puruShArtha karanA chAhiye. puruShArtha kare to hotA hai.

mumukShu- aisA nahIn banatA hogA ki puruShArtha kiye binA koI jIv dharmAtmAke sangase, sangake kAraN prApta kar le?

samAdhAna- puruShArtha kiye binA prApta ho jAye aisA nahIn banatA. mAtra sangase (nahIn hotA).

mumukShu- mAtra sang kAryakArI nahIn hotA.

samAdhAna- mAtra sang (kAryakArI nahIn hotA). puruShArtha to svayamkA (hotA hai). nimitta-upAdAnakA sambandha hai ki svayamke puruShArthamen saral ho jAye yA mArga darshAye, unake sAnnidhyase svayamke pariNAm puruShArthakI or muDe, puruShArtha svayamko karanA rahatA hai. lekin vah mAn le ki mujhe to bAharase sab nimitta mil gaye hain, mujhe kahAn takalIph hai? aisA kare to aise prApta nahIn hotA. lekin use dev-guru-shAstra aur satsang evan santonkI mahimA AyI ho to use santakI aisI mahimA andarase ho to use puruShArtha hue binA rahatA hI nahIn, lekin use santakI mahimA hI nahIn AyI hai.

gurudevakI mahimA andar Aye to gurudev jo mArga darshAte hain, us mArgapar usakI puruShArthakI pariNati muDe to hI usane us mahAtmAkA svIkAr kiyA hai, to usane gurudevakA svIkAr kiyA hai. vah aisA vichAr kare ki ab mujhe kahAn takalIph hai? to phir vah mArga samajhA nahIn hai. vah samajhe ki merA pramAd hai, itanA to use khyAlamen rahanA chAhiye na? karanA to svayamko hI hai. upAdAn-nimittakA sambandha hai, lekin karanA to svayamko hai. puruShArthakI or usakI gati chale. bhale hI dhIre-dhIre (baDhe), lekin muDe binA rahe nahIn, yadi sachchI mahimA AyI ho to.

mumukShu- AtmAkA Ananda jab anubhavamen Aye to use kaise mAlUm paDe ki sUkShma AtmAko grahaN kiyA hai, ab use AnandakA anubhav AtA hai. aur pahale jo dukhakA vedan hotA thA, usase yah alag lagatA hai, aisA use kaise khyAlamen Aye?

samAdhAna- vah khyAlamen A jAtA hai. svayamkA vedan andar hai, svayam anubhav kar sakatA hai. AtmAko grahaN kiyA, phir AtmAmen lInatA karatA hai ki yah gnAyak hai. sthUl upayogase gnAyak grahaN nahIn hotA. bAhya upayog jo sthUl hai, rAg-dveSh AkUlatAyukta upayog hai, jo upayog bAhar khaNDa-khaNDa (hokar) ek ke bAd ek gneyako grahaN

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(karatA hai), us upayogase (grahaN nahIn hotA). lekin vah upayog svayamkI or muDe tab sUkShma hotA hai. upayog jo bAhar jA rahA hai vah sthUl hai, svayamkI or muDanevAlA upayog, chaitanya arUpI hai us arUpIko grahaN karanevAlA upayog sUkShma hai. svayamko- gnAyakako grahaN kare ki yah gnAyak hai, isaki sivAy yah sab jo hai vah mujhase bhinna hai. yah vikalpa hai, vah sab AkUlatA hai. isaprakAr gnAyakako grahaN karake, usakI pratIti karake, usamen lInatA karake vikalpa chhUT jAye aur svayam AtmAmen lIn ho jAye, upayog antaramen lIn ho jAtA hai. jo AnandakA anubhav hotA hai use vah barAbar pakaD sakatA hai. use khyAl (A jAtA hai), donon bhinna-bhinna ho jAte hain.

svayam sthUlarUpase vedan kare to sukh-dukhakA vedan use hotA hai. sharIramen shAtA athavA ashAtA hotI hai usakA vedan use hotA hai ki, sharIramen koI rog hai, usakA vedan hotA hai, usakA dukh hotA hai. vah use khyAlamen AtA hai. nirogatA ho to use khyAl AtA hai ki abhI rog nahIn hai. vaise, jaise rAg-dveShakA khyAl AtA hai ki yah dukh hai, yah sukh hai. aisA to sthUl gnAnamen bhI pakaDatA hai. to arUpI AtmAko grahaN kare, andar lIn hotA hai tab sab vikalpa chhUT jAte hain. vikalpa chhUTakar AtmAko grahaN karatA hai aur barAbar svayamke Anandako pakaD sakatA hai. upayog nirmal ho gayA. svayamke AnandakA anubhav, svayam svayamko jAn sakatA hai. AkUlatA chhUT gayI aur nirAkUlatA (vedanamen AyI). AnandasvarUp AtmA pragaT ho, vah Ananda chhipatA nahIn.

mumukShu- chAhe jaise bhayankar dukh ho, jab use pakaDamen AtA hai, us vakta use shAtA hotI hai? andarase jo Ananda AnA chAhiye, jo lakShya chhUTanA chAhiye, us rogake prati jo usane anAdikA abhyAs kiyA hai, bhayankar rog ho us vakta bhI vah bhedagnAn karake AtmAkI or muDe to use us vakta andar thoDI shAnti hotI hai, to vah lakShya chhUTatA hai tab use khyAl AtA hai ki AtmA hai, parantu abhI pakaDA nahIn hai. tab thoDA-thoDA khyAl AtA hai. lekin vah sachchA nahIn hai. jab vah barAbar AtmAko pakaDe tab hI AnandakA vedan hotA hai.

samAdhAna- AtmAmen lIn hotA hai tab hI Ananda hotA hai. andarase svayamko grahaN kare. abhI sthUlarUpase grahaN karatA hai to use shAnti (lagatI hai, vah) AkUlatA manda hotI hai, lekin yathArtha shAnti AtmAmen-se nahIn AyI hai. rogamense vikalpa palaTe ki yah sab rog sharIramen hai, meremen nahIn hai. isaprakAr bhAvanAse, vikalpase shAnti rakhe. lekin vah alag shAnti hai-manda kaShAyakI shAnti hai. antar AtmAmense jo shAnti AtI hai vah alag hI AtI hai. vikalpa chhUTakar jo shAnti Aye, vikalpa chhUTakar jo

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Ananda AtA hai, vah Ananda koI anupam hai. siddha bhagavAnakI jAtikA Ananda hai. vah Ananda alag hI hai. us AnandakA svayam anubhav kar sakatA hai. vah use alag hI ho jAtA hai ki yah bhinna hI thA aur bhinna hI hai. bhed ho jAtA hai. yah alag hai. AkUlatAsvarUp hai usakA use bhed ho jAtA hai. AtmA hai usakA svarUp bhinna hai, aisA use vikalpa chhUTakar jo nirvikalpatAkA Ananda AtA hai, vah use andar bhinna rUpase vedanamen AtA hai.

manda kaShAy athavA bhayankar rogake kAlamen vikalpa karake shAnti rakhe ki main jAnanevAlA hUn, yah sharIr merA nahIn hai, yah vikalpa main nahIn hUn, aisI bhAvanA kare to mandarUpase AkUlatA kam hotI hai, aise vichAramen thoDI shAnti lage. lekin vah shAnti andarase bhinna hokar AnI chAhiye, vah shAnti nahIn AyI hai.

gnAnI to savikalpa dashAmen ho, unakA upayog bAhar ho to bhI unako amuk prakArase unako shAnti to rahatI hai. vikalpa chhUTakar jo Ananda AtA hai, vah Ananda to alag hI hotA hai. donon bhinna-bhinna ho jAte hain ki yah AtmA bhinna, jagatase bhinna-nirAlA (hai). usakA svarUp Anandamay guNonse adabhUt svarUpase bharA AtmA bhinna hI hai, ye sab bhinna hain. use anubhavamen AtA hai.