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mumukShu- hame AtA hai, lekin us prakArakA nahIn hai. jab bhI Apako dekhate hain, tab Apake mukhase gurudevakI jo mahimA Apake shrImukhase sunate hain, koI gajab hI AtI hai!

samAdhAna- is panchamakAlamen gurudev hI koI adabhut the. unhonne apUrva vANIkI varShA karake sabako jAgRut kiyA. sab mumukShuonke, sAdhakonke ve adabhut AdhAr nimitta the. nimitta-upAdAnakA aisA sambandha hai ki jahAn aise guru ho, vahAn sab jAgRut ho jAya.

jagatamen sarvotkRuShTa chaitanyadev aur gurudev (hain). gurudevane jo sAdhanA karake sabako batAyI, aise sarvotkRuShTa mahimAvant is panchamakAlamen guru shAshvat hI rahen, aisI bhAvanA hai. antaramen AtmA aur bAharamen shubhabhAvamen dev-guru-shAstra hI hote hain, dUsarA kuchh nahIn hotA. gurudev virAjate the, chaitanya... sabako jAgRut karate the.

.. deshanAlabdhi hotI hai. anAdi kAlakA anajAnA mArga hai, ek bAr sachche dev- gurukA, sAkShAt chaitanyakA vANI use shravaN karane mile, tab use deshanA grahaN hotI hai. shAstramense vah bAdamen samajhatA hai, parantu pahale to sAkShAt vANI sunakar deshanAlabdhi hotI hai. aisA upAdAn-nimittakA sambandha hotA hai.

mumukShu- abhI jo hamako apUrvatA lagatI hai to samavasaraNamen vah bAt samajhamen nahIn AyI hogI? kyonki vartamAnamen hamen jyAdA lagatI hai. aisA lagatA hai ki samavasaraNamen yah bAt nahIn samajhe honge. ananta bAr samavasaraNamen gaye.

samAdhAna- samavasaraNamen gayA, lekin jIv svayam jAgRut nahIn huA. koI bAr aisA bhI hotA hai ki is panchamakAlamen koI mahApuruShakA janma ho aur jIv jAgRut ho jAy, aisA bhI bane. samavasaraNamen gayA, bhagavAnako ananta kAlamen dekhe, parantu apUrvatA lagI nahIn to aise hI vApas A gayA. bAhya dRuShTise bhagavAnako dekhe, lekin antarase nahIn dekhA.

mumukShu- .. kahA to shAstra nahIn paDhanA? shAstra abhinivesh ho jAtA hai? gnAnIke Ashrayamen...

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samAdhAna- shAstramen hI aTak jAy aur AtmAkI svAnubhUti na kare, us apekShAse. bAkI adhUrApan ho use bIchamen shrutakA chintavan, shAstra abhyAs Adi sab hotA hai. parantu shAstramen hI aTak jAy aur svAnubhUti na kare aur usImen aTak jAy to us apekShAse use .. kahanemen AtA hai. usakA hetu jo svAnubhUtikA thA vah usane nahIn kiyA to phir shAstrakA prayojan usane siddha nahIn kiyA.

prayojanabhUt AtmAko sAdh liyA, svAnubhUti prApta karanI, yah shAstra svAdhyAyakA hetu hai. padmanandI AchAryadevane kahA hai, vyabhichArINI buddhi bAhar ghumatI hai. antaramen na jAy to vah kis kAmakA hai? lekin kahIn aur aTakatA ho, usake badale shAstrakA abhyAs mumukShuonko hotA hai. kyonki use dUsarA AdhAr nahIn hai, vahAn shrutakA chintavan (hotA hai). lekin dhyaye nahIn chukanA chAhiye. gurudev bhI shrutakA chintavan (karate the). unakA shrut koI apUrva thA. parantu gurudev kahate the ki svAnubhUti mukhya hai.

mumukShu- gnAnIke Ashrayamen shAstra paDhane chAhiye, nahIn to gam paDe binA Agam anarthakArak ho jAy, aisA nahIn ban sakatA?

samAdhAna- gnAnIne jo artha kiyA ho, us arthako svayam grahaN kare. aur phir jo gnAnIne artha kiyA ho us anusAr artha kare to usamen dikkat nahIn hai. lekin apanI mati kalpanAse artha kare to use nukasAnakA kAraN hotA hai. apanI buddhi anusAr kare to. gnAnIne kyA artha kiyA hai, usakA vah milAn karake kare to vah yathArtha mArgako prApta kare.

mumukShu- sAmAnya manuShyako to kShayopashamakA abhimAn sahaj ho jAtA hai. gnAnIko kyon nahIn hotA? kShayopashamakA thoDA ughAD ho to sahaj hI abhimAn ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- sachchA yathArtha mumukShu ho to use bhI nahIn hotA. kShayopasham mAtra vah koI sAdhanAkA kAraN nahIn banatA. sAdhanA to andar svayam dravya par dRuShTi karake usakA gnAn kare, usamen lInatA kare to sAdhanA hotI hai. kShayopasham mAtra vah sAdhanA (nahIn hai). kShayopasham mAtra nahIn, vah to ek sachchA gnAn karanekA kAraN banatA hai. vah koI AtmAkI sAdhanA karanekA kAraN nahIn banatA. isaliye yathArtha mArgase jise svAnubhav pragaT huA, use koI abhimAn honekA kAraN nahIn banatA.

bArah ang aur chaudah pUrvakI labdhi munionko pragaT hotI hai. to bhI bhagavAnako kahate hain, he bhagavAn! main to alpa mAtra hUn. main ApakI vANIko pahunch nahI sakatA hUn. aisA kahate hain. svAnubhUtimen kShaN-kShaNamen jAte hain, aise munionko bhI dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA AtI hai. koI aise dravya, kShetra, kAl, bhAv na ho ki jahAn gnAnion virAjate na ho. jahAn dev-guru-shAstra na ho, aisA kisIko na ho. jise AtmAkI sAdhanA karanI

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hai, use dev-guru-shAstrakA itanA Adar hotA hai.

ananta kAlamen is jIvako thoDA jAne to (lagatA hai ki) mainne bahut jAnA, mujhe bahut AtA hai. is tarah mumukShudashAmen aTakaneke anek prasang banate hain. ata kahIn aTakanA nahIn. ek AtmArthakA prayojan rakhanA, ek AtmArthatAko mukhya rakhanA. jo gnAnionne kahA hai, jo mahApuruShonne kahA hai us mArga par chala. bhedagnAnakI dashA, jo svAnubhUtikI dashA kis mArgase pragaT ho, usakA lakShya rakhanA. vah mArga kaun-sA hai? gnAtAkI dhArA, svAnubhUtikI dashA kaise pragaT ho? is lakShyase chalanA hai. chalegA to kahIn nahIn aTakegA.

mumukShu- hamen to yahAn sonagaDhamen sunane milI. nahIn to digambar tattvamen bhI hamane aisI bAt to nahIn sunI.

samAdhAna- shAstrake artha hI kaun sUlajhA sakatA thA? gurudevane sab artha kiye, gurudevakI vANIse sab jAgRut ho gaye. samayasArake artha kaun sulajhA sakatA thA? pravachanasAr aur dUsare adhyAtma shAstra, sab shAstrake artha koI sUlajhA nahIn sakatA thA. gurudevane hI sab artha kiye. bhedagnAnakI dashA, gnAtAdhArA, kartAbuddhi chhoD, sab artha gurudevane hI sulajhAye hain. vastukA mUl rahasya unhonne hI batAyA hai. koI samajhatA nahIn thA. amuk sampradAyamen sab kriyAmen paDe the. kriyAse dharma hotA hai, itanA kar len to dharma hogA, itanA shubhabhAv karen to aisA hogA, itanA karungA to puNya bandhegA. itanI sAmAyik kar len aur itane pratikramaN karen, usImen sab paDe the.

gurudevane (prakAshit kiyA ki), antaramen mArga hai, bhedagnAnakI aisI dashA pragaT hotI hai, yah kartAbuddhi toD, gnAtAdhAr pragaT kar, svAnubhUti antaramen hotI hai. man-vachan- kAyAse sabase atIt, vikalpase atIt, nirvikalpa dashAkI prApti ho, svAnubhUti pragaT ho aur vah baDhate-baDhate munidashA Aye to antaramen kShaN-kShaNamen jhulate ho. munikI dashA, kevalagnAnakI dashA sab gurudevane batAyA. bhagavAn kaise hote hain? guru kaise hote hain? shAstra kaise hote hain? sab gurudevane batAyA. koI nahIn jAnatA thA, itane sAl pahale. ab sab jAnane lage hain. sthAnakavAsI aur derAvAsImen sAmAyik kar lo, pratikramaN kar lo, upavAs kar lo, usamen dharma mAnate the. digambaramen itanI shuddha aur itanI ashuddhi, usamen sab aTak gaye the. antaramen mArga hai, gurudevane itanA prachAr kiyA, sabako jAgRut kiye hain.

mumukShu- chhaThThe-sAtaven guNasthAnamen vicharate mahAmuniko shAstra likhanekA bhAv kaise AtA hai? AtmAke Anandamen jhulate ho ekadama.

samAdhAna- AtmAke Anandamen kShaN-kShaNamen jhulate hain, parantu bAhar Ate hain. kyonki

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abhI kevalagnAn nahIn huA hai. kevalagnAn ho to andar shAshvat virAjate hon. AtmAkA Ananda aur gnAnAdi ananta guNommen virAjate hon. parantu bAhar Ate hain tab vikalpa utpanna hotA hai. vikalpamen munionko ek dev-guru-shAstrakA vikalpa (utpanna hotA hai). dUsare vikalpa to unhen (hote nahIn), koI bAr AhArakA vikalpa AtA hai. dUsare koI vikalpa unhen (nahIn Ate). ekadam alpa asthiratA hai, sanjvalanakA alpa kaShAy hai, dUsarA kuchh nahIn hai. vikalpa AtA hai to unhen shubh AtA hai, isaliye shAstra likhanekA vikalpa (AtA hai), munion jangalamen baiThe hon, shAstrakA vikalpa AtA hai. vikalpa Aye to likhate hain, vApas andar sthir ho jAte hain. sthir honeke bAd bAhar Akar to likhate hain. bAhar Ate hain utanA adhUrApan hai.

kevalagnAn huA ho to koI vikalpa nahIn hai. kevalagnAn nahIn hai isaliye bAhar Ate hain, vikalpa AtA hai isaliye likhate hain. amRutachandrAchArya kahate hain, "mam paramavishuddhi shuddhachinmAtramUrte' merI vishuddhake liye main yah shAstra likhatA hUn. aisA prashasta vikalpa AtA hai.

mumukShu- mahAvideh kShetrakA bhI mujhe Apake kAraN hI vishvAs huA. nahIn to is jamAnemen kaun mAnatA hai? pRithvI aisI hai. Apane, pUjya gurudevane jo bAten kahI, bahut adbhUt bAten lagatI hain. adbhUt-adbhUt bAten lagatI hai.

samAdhAna- abhI to sab matikalpanAse kuchh hai hI nahIn, aisA kahate hain. mahAvideh hai, bhagavAn hai, sab hai. sImandhar bhagavAn virAjate hain, divyadhvani chhUTatI hai, samavasaraN hai, sab hai.

mumukShu- devake bhavamen Apane avadhignAnase narkake bhI dukh dekhe honge, yah Apako yAd hai? use dekhen to hArTa pheIl ho jAy, aisI bAt hai.

samAdhAna- sab hai, narka-svarga sab hai. gnAn aisA hai ki usamen sab A jAtA hai. sab A sakatA hai. aur vah sab yathArtha hai aur is jagatamen sab hai. narka hai, svarga hai, mahAvideh hai, sImandhar bhagavAn hain, divyadhvani chhUTatI hai, sab hai.

mumukShu- bahut gajab hai! Ananda.. Ananda.. Ananda ho jAtA hai. svasamvedanakI paryAy bhI svayamkA lakShya nahIn karatI aur main dhruv hUn, aisA... paryAy svayam apanA niShedh kare aisI aTapaTI bAten to gajab bAten lagatI hai. dhruv to kUTastha dhruv hai.

samAdhAna- svayam gnAyakarUp dhruv hai. gnAnamen sab jAnatA hai, vedanamen use sab AtA hai. svAnubhUtikA vedan hotA hai, gnAnamen AtA hai aur dhruv ek svayam pAriNAmikabhAvasvarUp par dRuShTi hai. sab sAthamen vartatA hai. pratyek guN AtmAke... dRuShTi dravya par hai, gnAnamen gnAt ho rahA hai, sabakA vedan ho rahA hai. ananta guNonkA vedan,

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AnandaguN Adi sabakA, dravya-guN-paryAy sabako jAnatA hai. aur dRuShTi shAshvat dhruvarUp dravya (par hai). chaitanyakI sab bAten koI adbhUt hai. gurudevane adbhUt mArga prakAshit kiyA hai. bAkI narka, svargakA main kuchh vistArase nahIn kahatI hUn. parantu jagatamen sab yathArtha hai. vah sab kShetra hai, sab hai.

mumukShu- bachapanamen kahatI thI ki main vahAn bakarI thI. mainne dekhA hai, .. thA, aise dev the, aisA chamvar DhAlate the, aisI AvAj AtI thI. dUsarA kuchh jyAdA yAd nahIn hai, parantu samavasaraNakA varNan kiyA.

samAdhAna- samavasaraNakA?

mumukShu- hAn, main samavasaraNako gap samajhatA thA, itanA sab varNan jainiyonne adhikatAke liye hI kiyA hogA. phir vishvAs A gayA. yahAn Anese bhI sabhI bAton par bahut vishvAs ho gayA. koI indra Utarakar samajhAye to bhI samajhe nahIn, kahAn aTakate hain, yah samajhamen nahIn AtA hai. yA phir dhAraNAgnAnamen..

samAdhAna- samavasaraNamen bhagavAn virAjate hain. samavasaraNamen divyadhvani chhUTatI hai. munion, gaNadhar sab sabhAmen (Ate hain). bakarI thI?

mumukShu- hAn, spaShTa bAt kI aur bahut sundar rUpase varNan kiyA. mumukShu- sAt sAlakI chhoTI thI. ... shrImad rAjachandrakA mandir hai, vahAn 15- 15 din rahate the. vah bhakti karatI thI, vahAn aisA phoTo thA, to kahA, yah to mainne dekhA hai. main baDe jangalamen rahatI thI. main bakarI thI. dUsare bachche use chiThAne lage ki bakarI.. bakarI. tab hamen mAlUm paDA ki yah bakarI-bakarI kyon kahate hain? tab usane kahA ki, mainne yah sab dekhA hai. ghumA-ghumAkar DAkTar TI. vI. shAh the us vakta pUchhA thA.

mumukShu- bakarIkA bhav thA isaliye jyAdA... vah chhoTI thI, aisA kahatI hai, mere bagalamen baDI bakarI thI. phir aisI bAt kahI ki, bAgh, sinh, hAthI bhI dekhA, sab bolane lagI. isaliye mujhe Ashcharya huA ki yah bakarIke bagalamen bAgh, yah kyA kahatI hai? lekin sab varNan kiyA. tabase ekadam vishvAs A gayA ki, yah bA satya hai. samavasaraNamen sab jIv jAte hain, bAgh, bakarI Adi. sab gajab bAten kI. lekin itanA samavasaraN hI, phir kahAn gayI, kyA huA, vah koI bAt nahIn.

samAdhAna- kahIn bhI aTak jAtA hai. AtmAkI orakA puruShArtha chalatA nahIn. use jahAn ruchi hotI hai, vahAn aTak jAtA hai. AtmAkI ruchi karane jaisI hai. AtmArthatAkI mukhyatA rakhane jaisI hai. bAkI kahIn bhI aTak jAtA hai, use jahAn ruchi hotI hai vahAn. koI pramAdamen, anek jAtake vikalpommen, anek jAtake vichArommen kahIn bhI aTak jAtA

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hai. kisIko kahAn ruchi lagatI hai, kisIko kahAn ruchi lagatI hai. ... chaDh jAy aur AtmArthItA gauN ho jAya.

mumukShu- yahAn Anese sAmAnya pAp bhI puNyamen pariNamit ho jAte hain, to ApakA svAsthya... Ap to gnAnI hain. Apako takalIph rahe, Ashcharya lagatA hai. hamen aisA lagatA hai, hamen bahut lAbhakA kAraN hai. gurudevakI anupasthitimen hamen (Apake samAgamase) kitanA Ananda hotA hai. vah koI hAthakI bAt nahIn hai, gurudev kahate the na, vah hAthakI bAt nahIn hai. sharIrake kArya sharIr (karatA hai). svatantra hote hain, apane hAthakI bAt nahIn hai.

mumukShu- sabako ApakI vANI pAnch-pAnch miniT mile to bhI bahut... bahut virah lagatA hai.

samAdhAna- unakI to bAt alag thI, main to unakA dAs hUn. apane hAthakI bAt nahIn hai. sharIrakI kriyAen svatantra hain.