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mumukShu- gnAyak gnAyakI hI hai AtmA.

samAdhAna- gnAyak svarUp hI hai. gnAyakatAse bharA hai. koI parakA kartA nahIn ho sakatA. apanA svabhAv gnAyak svabhAv hai. gnAyakakA svabhAv pahachAne, usakI shraddhA kare, usamen lInatA kare to koI navInatA, anAdi kAlase jo vibhAvaparyAy ho rahI hai, usase (bhinna) koI navIn paryAy pragaT hotI hai. navIn hove vah navInatA satyArtha rUpamen navInatA hai. nUtan varSha to vyavahAr hai, parantu antaramense navInatA, koI navIn paryAy pragaT hove to vAstavik navInatA hai.

mumukShu- sabako jAnatA hai.

samAdhAna- jAnanevAlA hai. svaparaprakAsha. svayamko jAnatA huA sabako jAnatA hai. svako jAnanemen par sahaj hI jAnanemen A jAtA hai. jo svako jAne vah parako yathArtha jAnatA hai. anAdi kAlase mAtra parako jAnatA hai vah svako bhI nahIn jAnatA hai aur parako bhI nahIn jAnatA hai. jo svayamko jAnatA hai vah parako jAnatA hai. jo svayamko nahIn jAnatA hai, vah parako bhI nahIn jAnatA hai.

mumukShu- usamen AyA thA, jo gnAt hotA hai, parantu jAnatA nahIn.

samAdhAna- gnAt hotA hai. vikalpa karake jAnane nahIn jAtA, ekatvabuddhise. svako jAnate hue par gnAt hotA hai. parantu svaparaprakAshak svabhAv hai. vikalpa karake parakA kartA nahIn hotA, usamen ekatvabuddhi nahIn karatA hai. svako jAnate hue par gnAt ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- bhUtakAlakI paryAy aur bhaviShya kAlakI paryAy apanI gnAnakI apekShAse avidyamAn hone par bhI sabako jAnatA hai, aisA svabhAv hai.

samAdhAna- aisA svabhAv hai. vidyamAn nahIn hai to bhI jAnatA hai. aisA gnAnakA koI achintya svabhAv hai. ananta-ananta agAdh gnAnashakti koI apUrva achintya hai. jo bhUtakAlamen bIt gaI aur bhaviShyamen honevAlI hai, un sabhI paryAyonko AtmA pratyakSha jAne aisA usakA svabhAv hai. kevalagnAnamen pratyakSha jAnatA hai. kevalagnAnI sab pratyakSha jAnate hain. apane AtmAkI ananta paryAy aur parakI ananta paryAy, sab jAnatA hai.

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svayam apanemen rahakar jAnatA hai. svabhAvamen rahakar jAnatA hai.

mumukShu- jo paryAy pragaT nahIn huI hai, use bhI yogyatArUp jAnate hain yA pratyakSha jAnate hain?

samAdhAna- pratyakSha jAnate hain. yah pragaT honevAlI hai, aise pratyakSha jAnate hain. kis prakAr, kab pragaT hogI sab pratyakSha jAnate hain.

mumukShu- bhagavAn mahAvIrako terahaven guNasthAnamen kevalagnAn thA aur siddha ho gaye, to unakI siddhaparyAyako bhI jAnate hain?

samAdhAna- siddhaparyAyako bhI jAnate hain aur svayam kevalagnAnI the vah bhI jAnate haiain, siddhaparyAyako bhI jAnate hain, sab jAnate hain. bhaviShyamen aisA honevAlA hai, yah huA hai, aise vartamAn, bhaviShya sab jaisA hai vaisA jAnate haiain. aisA koI gnAnakA apUrva agAdh svabhAv hai. svabhAv koI apUrva hai. ananta.. ananta.. ananta lokAlok jAne to bhI usamen koI vajan yA dUsarA kuchh hotA nahIn, parantu ananta sahaj jAnatA hai. shAstramen AtA hai na? aNureNuvata. mAnon ek aNu ho vaise. usase bhI ananta lokAlok ho to bhI jAne, aisI AtmAmen jAnanekI shakti hai.

... usakI bhAvanA kare, usakI jignAsA kare. dev-guru-shAstra, jinhonne vah svAnubhUti pragaT kI, jo usakI sAdhanA karate hain usakI mahimA kare. use dhyey ek AtmAkA hai ki mujhe gnAyak kaise pragaT ho? ek AtmAkA dhyey hai aur dhyeyapUrvak shubhabhAvamen dev-guru-shAstra, antaramen gnAyaka. shubhAshubh vikalpa merA svabhAv nahIn hai. aisI gnAyakakI bhAvanApUrvak ek ansh pragaT karake svAnubhUti... vah ansh svAnubhUtimen pragaT hotA hai, bAdamen kevalagnAn pragaT hotA hai. jIvako karanA vahI hai aur vahI satya suprabhAt hai. vah prabhAt pragaT honese kevalagnAn utpanna hotA hai, pUrA sUrya pragaT hotA hai.

... dRuShTi kare. sab jAnane jAy, parantu jo svayamko nahIn jAnatA hai, vah vAstavikarUpase dUsareko satya nahIn jAnatA hai. svayamko jAnane par anya sahaj gnAt ho jAtA hai. svayamko jAne usamen dUsarA sahaj A jAtA hai.

mumukShu- jaisA sUrya hai vaisA AtmAkA svarUp hai? jaise sUryamen malinatA nahIn hai, vaise AtmAmen bhI malinatA nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- sUryamen malinatA nahIn hai, vaise AtmAmen nahIn hai. vah to dRuShTAnta hai. jaise sUrya malinatA rahit hai, vaise AtmAkA nirmal svabhAv hai, usamen koI malinatA nahIn hai. vastumen malinatA nahIn hai, paryAyamen (hai). paryAyakI shuddhi, dravya par dRuShTi kare to paryAy nirmal hotI hai.

... jaise ek hajAr kiraNonse prakAshit hotA hai, vaise AtmA to ananta kiraNomvAlA

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hai, parantu shaktirUp hai. usakA lakShya kare to pragaT hotA hai, usakI dRuShTi kare, gnAn kare to pragaT hotA hai. aisA shakti-svabhAv hai.

... usamen vibhAv nahIn hai. shuddha svarUp anAdiananta (hai). vah shuddhAtmA hai. vah anAdiananta svatasiddha ek tattva hai. muktikA mArga hai. shuddhAtmAko anAdi kAlase pahichAnA nahIn hai. dRuShTi bAhar vibhAv par hai. mAnon mujhe parase lAbh hotA hai aur par Upar dRuShTi hai. shuddhAtmAko pahichAnanA. shuddhAtmA anAdiananta, ananta guNaonse bharapUr, anante shaktionse bharapUr hai. usamen vibhAvakA andar pravesh nahIn huA hai. parantu main vibhAvayukta ho gayA, main vibhAvavAlA, dukhavAlA, malinatAvAlA aisA ho gayA, aisI mAnyatA hai. bAkI anAdiananta shuddhAtmA mUl svabhAvase jaisA hai vaisA hai. use pahachAne to bhavakA abhAv ho, to svAnubhUti ho, usamen puruShArtha kare, usamen lInatA kare, usameen pariNaman kare vahI muktikA mArga hai. aur gurudevane vah batAyA hai, vahI karanekA hai. usamen Ananda hai. Anandase bharapUr hai AtmA to.

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- kaThin kAl koI ADe nahIn AtA, svayam puruShArtha kare to pragaT ho aisA hai. kAl usamen ADe nahIn AtA. apane puruShArthakI mandatAse kArya pragaT nahIn hotA hai. is kAlamen kevalagnAn pragaT nahIn hotA hai, parantu AtmAkI svAnubhUti to pragaT hotI hai, parantu svayam puruShArtha nahIn karatA hai. antaramen main gnAyak hUn, main chaitanya hUn, yah vibhAv main nahIn hUn, aisA bhedagnAn (kare). svayam apanemen ekatvabuddhi aur parase vibhaktatA kare to svAnubhUti pragaT ho aisI hai.

AchAyA, munivaron sab is kAlamen ho gaye hain. nirantar jharatA AsvAdamen AtA aisA chaitanyadev pragaT huA hai, aisA AchArya kahate hain. svayam antaramen apanI yogyatA taiyAr kare.

... gahare sanskAr vah pragaT hote hain. svayamne jo taiyArI kI ho us jAtakI yogyatA chaitanyamen hotI hai. is prakAr sanskAr rah jAte hain.

mumukShu- ... paryAyake sAth aisA koI juDAn rahatA hogA? paryAy paryAyake bIch?

samAdhAna- juDAn nahIn, parantu aisI chaitanyamen yogyatA hotI hai ki jo yogyatA andar yathArthapane ho, vah pUrva bhavamen use naisargikarUpase pragaT hote hain, us jAtakA puruShArtha kare.

mumukShu- bahinashrI! is bhavamen jo yah dharma prApta kiyA, usamen gat bhavake koI sanskAr honge? pUrva bhavamen koI sanskAr DAle honge?

samAdhAna- sanskAr to hote hain pUrvake, parantu sabako ho hI aisA nahIn hotA.

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bahutonko pUrva bhavake sanskAr hote hain. bahutonko nahIn hote hain. jab karatA hai tab sarvapratham hotA hai. pUrvamen jab taiyArI kI tab sarvapratham hI thA. usamen koI kamI rahe to dUsare bhavamen Aye to pUrvake sanskArase pragaT huA aisA kahanemen AtA hai. parantu jab kare tab to sarvapratham hI hotA hai. jab kare tab pahalA hotA hai. pUrvamen pUrA nahIn huA isaliye dUsare bhavamen AtA hai to use puruShArtha shIghratAse hotA hai ata pUrvake sanskAr hain, aisA kahanemen AtA hai. shIghratAse hotA hai isaliye aisA kahanemen AtA hai ki pUrvake sanskAr hain.

jise karanA ho use to pahalI taiyArI hotI hai. pratham jIv anAdi kAlase janma- maraN karatA A rahA hai, usamen koI dev athavA gurukI vANI mile, parantu jab taiyArI karanI ho to pratham hI taiyArI (hotI hai), kahIn bhI kare tab pahalI taiyArI hotI hai. is bhavamen kI huyI taiyArI... pUrvabhavamen use visheSh taiyArI ho to pUrvake sanskAr hai, aisA kahanemen AtA hai.

mumukShu- AtmAke pAs sAdhan hai aisA nahIn hai?

samAdhAna- sAdhan koI nahIn hai, svayam hI hai, AtmA svayam hI hai, svayam hI apanA sAdhan hai. svayam apanI taiyArI (kare). apanemen jis prakArakI yogyatA hotI hai us prakArakI paryAyen pragaT hotI hai. svayam hI svayamkA sAdhan hai.

mumukShu- bahirlakShI gnAnopayog ho aur agnAnIkA bahirlakShakI gnAnopayog ho, usamen koI antar hotA hogA?

samAdhAna- usamen pharka hai. agnAnIko ekatvabuddhi hai bAhya upayogamen. AtmAkA gnAn nahIn hai aur ekatvabuddhi hai. main kaun aur par kaun, yah mAlUm nahIn hai. parake sAth ekatvabuddhi ho rahI hai. gnAnIko bhedagnAn vartatA hai. apanA svapadArtha gnAyakake sAth ekatvabuddhi hai aur parake sAth vibhakta hai ki ye parapadArtha so main nahIn hUn, aisI use pariNati vartatI hai ki main yah chaitanya gnAyak bhinna hUn aur ye paragney bhinna hain. aisI bhedagnAnakI pariNati pragaT hotI hai aur bhedagnAnakI pariNatike sAth usakA upayog bAhar hotA hai. parantu pariNati to usakI chalatI hI rahatI hai ki main gnAyak hUn aur yah bhinna hai. usamen usakI dRuShTi aur usakI pariNatimen pUrva aur pashchim jitanA antar hai. svarUp sanmukh hai aur gneyako jAnatA hai. aur usakI (-agnAnIkI) to dishA hI parasanmukh hai.

mumukShu- ... usamen nAriyalamen jaise golA alag hai, aisA kuchh hotA hogA?

samAdhAna- svayam bhinna paD jAtA hai. chaitanyatattva akelA nirAlA svayam apanI svAnubhUti karatA hai. svayam apane AnandAdi ananta guNonkA vedan karatA hai. ekadam nirAlA

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ho jAtA hai. chaitanyagolA bhinna paDakar chaitanya svayam svayamko anubhavatA hai. ye anubhav jo vedan hai, vibhAvakA vedan hai vah chhUT jAtA hai aur chaitanyakA vedan antaramense pragaT hotA hai. ekadam nirAlA ho jAtA hai.

.... main chaitanya hI hUn. chaitanyake Ananda svarUpako vedatA hai. upayog bAhar Aye tab yah sharIr bhinna aur main gnAyak bhinna hUn, aisI bhinnatAkI pariNati vartatI hai. antaramen gayA to sharIr kahAn hai usakA bhI khyAl nahIn hai. main chaitanya hI hUn. vikalpa bhI chhUT jAte hain. vikalpakI or upayog nahIn hai. akele chaitanyakA vedan hai. akelI AnandakI dhArA AnandakA svarUp pragaT hotA hai. AnandAdi ananta guNonkI paryAyen pragaT hotI hain.

mumukShu- logonko marate hue dekhate hain to hamen aisA nahIn lagatA hai ki apanA bhI kabhI bhI aisA maraN honevAlA hai, to kyA ekatvabuddhikA doSh hogA?

samAdhAna- ekatvabuddhi hai. sharIrake sAth ekatvabuddhi hai. janma-maraN to chalate hI rahate hain. jisane sharIr dhAraN kiyA, isaliye deh aur AtmA bhinna paD hI jAte hain. ekatvabuddhi, utanA sharIrake sAth ekatvabuddhikA rAg hai. chaitanya to shAshvat hai. chaitanyamen janma-maraN lAgU nahIn paDate. vah to shAshvat hai. jahAn jAy vahAn shAshvat hai. ek deh chhUTakar dUsarA deh dhAraN karatA hai. AtmA to shAshvat hai. parantu ekatvabuddhike kAraN use khyAl nahIn AtA hai.

muumukShu- pUrva bhavakI len-denake kAraN dUsare bhavamen sab vyakti ikaTThe hote hain, kyA yah bAt sach hai?

samAdhAna- kisIko pUrva bhavakA koI sambandha ho aur len-den ho isaliye bhI milate hain, bAkI pUrva bhavamen kahIn mile nahIn ho aur kuchh pariNAmonkA aur aise karmake sanyogakA aisA mel baiTh jAy aur mil jAte hain. kabhI koI kahAn-se AyA ho, koI kahAn-se AyA ho aur mil jAte hain. koI kis gatimense, koI kis gatimense Akar mil jAte hain. pariNAm aur karmake udayakA aisA mel khA jAy aur mil jAte hain. aur kisIkA pUrva sambandha ho, pUrvamen sAthamen ho aur mil jAy, aisA bhI banatA hai.

samAdhAna-.. sab sthUl dRuShTimen kriyAmen paDe the. kahAnse gurudev sabako Upar le Aye. koI dev-devIko nahIn mAnate hon, parantu kriyAmen to paDe hI the. upavAs karen to dharma hogA, aisI sab mAnyatA. ... sthAnakavAsImen to sab aisA thA. gnAyakako pahachAnanekA mArga kahAn thA? kaun jAnatA thA? antar dRuShTi karanI aur mokSha antaramen AnshikarUpase hotA hai, vah mokSha bAdamen hotA hai. aur yah mokSha antaramen hotA hai, yah bAt kahAn thI?

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ye sab kahate hain, panchamakAlamen kevalagnAn nahIn hai. panchamakAlamen kevalagnAn nahIn hai, parantu samyagdarshan hai. samyagdarshan yAnI kyA, yah bhI koI samajhatA nahIn thA. mokSha yahAn samyagdarshanamen AnshikarUpase ho jAtA hai, yah bhI koI samajhatA nahIn thA.

.. isaliye apane pariNAm hain, vah tIvra kaluShitatA athavA kaise tIvra hon, vah apane hAthakI bAt hai. usamen shAnti rakhanI, AtmAko pahichAnanA, vah sab apane hAthakI bAt hai. bAhya sanyog kaise ho, vah (apane hAthakI bAt nahIn hai). kisIko achchhA lage, kisIko bUrA lage, svayam kuchh bhI kare to bhI dUsareko kharAb hI lage. aisA koI uday ho to vah sab udayakI bAt hai. shAnti rakhanI apane hAthakI bAt hai. isaliye AtmAko pahichAnanA aur shAnti rakhanI. bAhya sanyog (apane) hAthakI bAt nahIn hai.

mumukShu- sahajatAse prApta kar liyA. to Atma-svarUp prApta karanA aisA sahaj hai?

samAdhAna- puruShArtha kare to sahaj hai aur puruShArtha na kare to kaThin hai. ananta kAl gayA, parantu yadi svayam puruShArtha nahIn karatA hai to kaThin ho jAtA hai aur puruShArtha kare to sahaj hotA hai. usamen pUrvake sanskAr kisIko nimitta banate hain aur koI karatA hai to pratham bAr hotA hai.

... hAn, apane pAs hai. ananta shakti (hai). nigodamense nikalakar antarmuhUrtamen jo pragaT karate hain, vah shakti kahAn-se (AyI)? isaliye utanA puruShArtha chaitanyamen hai. ananta kAlase nigodamen the aur phir ... hue hain, usake bAd rAjAke kumvar hue hain, aur phir ekadam muni ban gaye. vah shakti kahAnse (AyI)? apane chaitanyamen hai. pUrvamen kahIn sunane nahIn gaye the. sarva pratham bhagavAnake ghar rAjakumAr hokar dIkShA lete hain. bhagavAnakI vANI sunate hain. ekadam puruShArtha antarmuhUrtamen jAgRut ho. jIvamen svayammen ananta shakti hai. rAjakumAr kitane... ekadam dIkShA lekar chal paDate hain.

mumukShu- vah is shaktikI hI bAt hai na? samAdhAna- hAn, ananta shakti. jaise bhagavAn hain, vaisI ananta shakti teremen hai, aisA gurudev kahate the.