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mumukShu- ... gurudevake AshIrvAd aur Apake AshIrvAd jabarajasta! jAmanagaramen apUrva bhagavAn sUryakIrtinAth bhagavAnakI hamAre yahAn sthApanA huI, usakA abhUtapUrva utsAh, bhaktibhAv pUre sanghakA, ek-ek mumukShukA. aur jo Ananda aur ullAs thA, vah pUre shaharamen pravartatA thA. aisA hI lagatA thA ki mAno vAstavik rUpase apane yahAn tIrthankarakI sthApanA ho rahI hai. pUre shaharamen. jahAn-jahAn rathayAtrA gayI, vahAn apane jinamandirase lekar har jagah log nAchate the, gAte the. sUryakIrti bhagavAnakI jay jayakAr bulAte the. mAtAjIke AshIrvAd hamAre par bahut hain. Apake AshIrvAd hamen prApta hue. sab mumukShu nAche. hamen AshIrvAd prApta hue.

samAdhAna- gurudevakA pratAp vartatA hai. gurudev par sabakI bhakti aur gurudevakA pratAp vartatA hai.

mumukShu- jabarajasta pratApa.

samAdhAna- nahIn to honA mushkil thA, usamense kaise ho gayA! sab kahate the, kaise hogA? kaise hogA? parantu aisA yog A gayA ki ho gayA.

mumukShu- hamAre yahAn sthApanA huI aur tIrthankarakI sthApanA huI, vaisA utsAha.

samAdhAna- mAno sAkShAt bhagavAn tIrthankar (padhAre)!

mumukShu- hamAre ahobhAgya ki Apake AshIrvAdase yah kArya huA.

samAdhAna- main kahAn kuchh kahatI hUn.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! lekin hamako aisA lAbh milA to..

samAdhAna- kal sab pratiShThA karake Aye tab bolate the.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! gurudev nA-nA kahate the, phir thoDA-thoDA bolate bhI the.

samAdhAna- is jagatamen bhagavAn sarvotkRuShTa hai. tIrthankaradev hI sarvotkRuShTa hai. ye kudarat, ratnake shAshvat pratimA jagatamen hotI hain. jaD paramANu bhI bhagavAn (kI) pratimA, jinapratimAm rUp pariNamit ho jAte hain. kudarat aisA kahatI hai ki jagatamen sarvotkRuShTa jinendradev hain. jinendradevakI pratimA shAshvat hotI hai. apane to pratimA sthApit karate hain. kudarat bhagavAnakI mahimA kar rahI hai. manuShya to kare, usamen (kyA Ashcharya)? kudarat

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shAshvat pratimAonkI mahimA bol rahI hai.

shAstramen AtA hai na? jin pratimA jin sArakhI. jin pratimA aur jinendra dev donon sthApanA nikShepamen samAn hI hotI hai. unhen bhAv hote hain. jinendra pratimA aur jineshvar dev, usamen bhed nahIn dekhate.

ve svayam hI kahate the ki main tIrthankar hone vAlA hUn. unakA hRuday kahatA thA. sthApanA karanemen sabake bhAv the, tab shurUAt huI. sabane jAhir kiyA. main to kahIn bhI bIchamen nahIn thI. phir mujhe mAlUm huA, tab sab logonne jAhir kiyA. ve to videhakShetrase Aye hain. gurudev svayam tIrthankarakA dravya hai, aisA unakA hRuday bolatA thA. bAkI videhakShetrase Aye hain. videhakShetramen gurudev rAjakumAr the. bhagavAnakI vANImen AyA hai ki ye rAjakumAr bhaviShyamen tIrthankar honevAle hain.

mumukShu- mAtAjI gaNadhar hain. ham to...

samAdhAna- vah bAt to alag hai, bAkI tIrthankar dev jo jagatamen sarvotkRuShTa hote hain. kudarat ratnamay pratimArUp jinabimb, jinapratimA, tIrthankarake pratimArUp kudarat pariNamatI hai. tIrthankarakA dravya koI alaukik hotA hai. gurudev tIrthankar to ab honge, lekin unakI vANI abhI tIrthankar jaisI hI thI. unakA prabhAv vaisA thA, sabakuchh aisA thA.

mumukShu- vANI Anepar to bhagavAn hI dikhe.

samAdhAna- bhagavAnane kahA ki, yah rAjakumAr bhaviShyamen tIrthankar honge. samavasaraNamen sabako Ananda vyApta ho gayA. ye rAjakumAr! sabako rAjakumArakI mahimA lag rahI thI. vah koI gupta bAt nahIn thI. samavasaraNamen upasthit sabhI jIvonne sunA hai. sab dev, devI, manuShya, rAjA, rAnI, muni Adi sab, bhagavAnake samavasaraNamen to kitane jIv hote hain, lAkhkhon, sabane sunA hai.

gurudevake nagaramen bhI rAjakumAr, rAjakumAr aise mahimA thI. rAjakumArakA jIv tIrthankar honevAlA hai. mahAbhAgya ki tIrthankarakA dravya is bharatakShetramen gurudevakA janma huA aur unakI vANI sunI. unakA sAnnidhya prApta huA, yah mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai. kisIne nahIn kahA thA, gurudevane nahIn kahA thA. (samvat) 1993men, kitane barason pahale hIrAbhAIke bangalemen gurudev the tab kuchh mAlUm nahIn thA ki gurudev svayam andar tIrthankar hUn, aisA mAn rahe hain athavA unako aisA AbhAs hotA hai ki main tIrthankar hUn. tIrthankar honevAlA hUn, aisA nahIn, parantu tIrthankar hUn aisA hI unako andar bhAs hotA thA. gurudev bAhar bolate nahIn the, kisIko kuchh nahIn kahate the.

mujhe aisA lagatA thA ki gurudev to mahApuruSh haiain, aisA lage. lekin ye tIrthankar

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honevAle hain, aise koI vichAr nahIn Ate the. antaramense aisA AyA ki bhagavAnakI vANImen AyA ki ye rAjakumAr tIrthankar honevAle hain. 1993 ke varShamen hIrAbhAIke bangalemen gurudev the, tabakI bAt hai.

... samayasAr, pravachanasAr Adi shAstra paDhate the. purAN Adi to shurUAtamen paDhanemen bhI nahIn Aye the. purANommen kyA AtA hai, samavasaraNakA kyA varNan AtA hai, aisA kuchh paDhanemen nahIn AyA thA. vah sab to bAdamen paDhA. aisA huA ki gurudevako kahanese... himmatase kahA. gurudev andar kyA mAnenge aur kaise mAnenge? phir bhI himmat karake kahA. gurudevako pramod huA. vah to svayam hI mAnate the.

gurudev pravachanamen bAd shurU-shurUmen kahate the, trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, ab kyA chAhiye? lekin jise mAlUm nahIn ho (use pakaDamen nahIn Aye). gurudev us vakta to bahut gambhIr, sab andar rakhanA thA, bAhar nahIn kahanA thA. bAdamen gurudev bAharamen kahate. pahale to khAs-khAs mumukShu ho use kahate the. andar rakhanekA bahut kahate the. yahAn to kuchh kahanekA thA hI nahIn. jise mAlUm ho use hI pakaDamen Aye ki gurudev kyA kahate hain.

gurudev tIrthankar sAkShAt bhagavAn honge, vah bAt alag, us samayakI bAt alaga. jab honge vah to mahAbhAgyakI bAt ki vah prasang bane. lekin abhI gurudev apane sAmane jin pratimAke rUpamen Aye to usamen muddat kyon DAlanI? abhI hI pUjA, bhakti gurudevakI karen, hamAre gurudev bhAvike rUpamen unakI pratimA virAjamAn karanekA prasang banA to usakI muddat nahIn hotI ki abhI aisA nahIn kar sakate. pUjA, bhakti andarase Aye binA rahe hI nahIn. aisI muddat DAlanekI bAt hI nahIn hotI.

mumukShu- bhAvimen honevAle hain, ham to vartamAnamen hI tIrthankar mAnakar hamAre yahAn sthApanA karate hain.

samAdhAna- gurudevakA prabhAv, unakI vANI, bahut logonke tIrthankar jaisA hI lagatA. tIrthankar hI honevAle hain. unakA sabakuchh pahalese hI tIrthankar jaisA hI lagatA hai. jin pratimA tIrthankar bhagavAnake svarUpamen virAjamAn kI. gurudev mAno bhAvike rUpamen padhAre ho!

mumukShu- pUrA shAsan khaDA kiyA. mUlamen kuchh thA aur pUrA shAsan khaDA kiyA.

samAdhAna- pUrA shAsan khaDA kiyA. gurudevane mArga batA diyA. sabako jAgRut kar diyA. pUre hindustAnamen hindI, gujarAtI chAron or (jAgRut ho gaye). AtmA bhagavAn hai, gnAyak aur gnAyakadevakA chAron or DankA bajA diyA. kriyAmen dharma mAnate the, usakI jagah gnAyak.. gnAyak.. (ho gayA). chhoTe bAlak bhI, AtmA jAnanevAlA hai, aisA bolane

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lage.

samAdhAna- .. mArga batAyA hai, vahI karanA hai. gnAyak.. gnAyak.. gnAyakakA raTan karanA. sharIr bhinna aur AtmA bhinna hai. main gnAyak hUn. gnAyak bhagavAn AtmA gnAyak hai, use pahachAna. ye vibhAvasvabhAv apanA nahIn hai. ek gnAyak AtmAko pahachAnanA. gnAyakadev bhagavAn hai. usakA raTan karanA aur shubhabhAvamen dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA shrAvakonko Aye binA nahIn rahatI. jinendra dev, guru aur shAstra. antaramen gnAyakadevako kaise pahachAne, usakA raTan, usakI jignAsA, usakI bhAvanA.

mumukShu- thoDI jyAdA bAt kahiye.

samAdhAna- jyAdA kyA, jo prayojanabhUt hotA hai utanA hI kahate hain. gurudevako rAjakumArakA svapna AyA thA. dIkShA leneke bAd turanta. main rAjakumAr hUn. lekin yah kShetra vah nahIn hai. rAjakumAr, (vah) sharIr baDA, itanA is kShetra jitanA sharIr nahIn. baDA sharIr aur rAjakumAr, jharIke vastra. rAjakumAr hUn aisA svapanna AyA. gurudevane bAdamen kahA ki main rAjakumAr hUn, mujhe svapna AyA. dIkShA leneke bAda.

mumukShu- bahinashrIne kahA ki, Ap rAjakumAr the. hAn, vah main. gurudevane kahA, hAn, vah main.

mumukShu- gurudevako kyA kahA?

samAdhAna- gurudevako jo AyA thA vah kahA, aur kyA? gurudevane bahut bAten prasiddha kI hai. gurudev videhakShetramen rAjakumAr the. sImandhar bhagavAnake samavasaraNamen jAte the, vANI sunate the. bhagavAnakI vANImen bhagavAnane kahA, ye tIrthankar honevAle hain. ye rAjakumAr bhaviShyamen tIrthankar honevAle hain.

mumukShu- yahAn sab chihna bhI mil gaye, nirbhikatA, niDaratA, vANI, shrutakI labdhi...

samAdhAna- vah sab to dikhatA thA, isI bhavamen dikhatA thA. sampradAyako chhoDakar jo satya thA use prasiddha kiyA. unakI nijaratA, sinh jaisI shauryatA, vah sab alag hI thA. unakI vANIkI dahAD, sabako bhedagnAn ho jAye aur yadi puruShArtha ho to samajh jAye, aisI unakI vANIkI dahAD thI. koI samajhe yA nahIn samajhe, lekin sunate hI rahe. mumbaImen itanA samUh ikaTThA hotA thA, samajhe, nahIn samajhe, sunate hI rahate the. ye kuchh alag hI kahate hain. .. aisA hI kahate the, sab bhagavAn hai.

mumukShu- unase adhik gnAnI to koI hai nahIn. unake shrImukhase jo bAt sunI hai, usase dUsarI koI bAt hamen nahIn ruchati. unake sivA hamen dUsarA kuchh hai hI nahIn. gurudevashrIne "bahinashrIke vachanAmRut' par pravachan diye.

samAdhAna- .. gurudev yahAn bArambAr padhArate the. alag ho gaye, nahIn to sab

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ek hI hote. gurudev svayam bArambAr padhArate. ..bahanako gurudev par kitanI bhakti thI! sabane utanI udAratA rakhI. bhagavAn par to sabako bhAv hotA hai. gurudevane mArga batAyA hai, gurudevane bhagavAn batAye, gurudevane shAstra (dikhAye), sab gurudevane hI batAyA hai, sab gurudevakA hI upakAr hai.

gurukA svarUp, devakA svarUp, shAstrakA svarUp, sab gurudevane batAyA hai. koI kuchh nahIn samajhatA thA. aur andar gnAyak, sab gurudevane (batAyA). svAnubhUti, mokShamArga, munikA svarUp Adi sab gurudevane batAyA. mUl mArga pUrA gurudevane batAyA hai.

.. isaliye pratiShThA karanemen sab vighna Ate rahate hain. Ap sabakI bhAvanA hai ki gurudevake pratApase sab ThIk ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- gurudev pahale jAmanagar padhAre the, us vakta bahut virodh thA. aur bAhar sab bAten karate the. tab gurudev Ate the, us vakta sab virodh shAnt ho gaye the. vaise abhI sUryakIrti bhagavAnakI sthApanA kI to sab virodh shAnt ho gayA.