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mumukShu- bAr-bAr jo hai, is jIvako viShay aur kaShAyonkI taraph kyon dhyAn baT jAtA hai? kyon jA rahA hai vahAn?

samAdhAna- ananta kAlamen vah pariNati, abhyAs aisA ho gayA hai. ananta kAlase aisA abhyAs ho rahA hai. us orakI ruchi ho rahI hai, us or sukh lag rahA hai. AtmAke sukhakI or dhyAn nahIn hai. sukh mere AtmAmen hai, main sukhakA dhAm hUn, us or utanA pUrA dRuDh vishvAs nahIn hai aur paramen sukhabuddhi ho rahI hai. bAharamen jAtA hai na, isaliye sukhabuddhi ho rahI hai. AtmAmen sukh hai, AtmA gnAnasvarUp hai, gnAyak hai, jAnanevAlA hai, AtmAmense gnAn pragaTatA hai, AtmAmen Ananda pragaTatA hai, AtmA koI adabhut vastu hai, aisI jo dRuDh pratIti usako bhItaramense honI chAhiye vah bhItaramense dRuDh pratIti nahIn hai. pratIti buddhise to karatA hai, parantuu bhItaramen chaitanyadravyako pahachAnakarake bhItaramense jo dRuDh pratIti nahIn hai, isaliye bAr-bAr bAhar jAtA hai aur anAdi kAlase aisA paramen jAnekA abhyAs hai, puruShArtha manda hai aur ruchi bAharamen lag rahI hai. bAharamen yadi sukh nahIn lage, ruchi nahIn lage, chain nahIn paDe.

yah to AkulatArUp hai, dukhakA kAraN hai, dukh svarUp hai, aisA yadi vishvAs hove ki mere AtmAmen sukh hai, sukhakA kAraN, sukhakA svarUp AtmAmen hai, aisI dRuDh pratIti bhItaramense Aye to Udharase vApas muDe aur bhItaramen jAya. parantu dRuDh pratIti jo antaramense AnI chAhiye aisI antaramen pratIti nahIn hai aur bAharamen ruchi lagI hai, isaliye bAr-bAr vahAn jAtA hai. isaliye usakI dRuDh pratIti bhItaramense puruShArtha karake karanI chAhiye. vah nahIn hove tab tak bAr-bAr vahI karanA, nahIn hove tabataka. shAntipUrvak dhairyase karanA chAhiye. aise AkulatA karanese nahIn hotA, parantu shAntise, jignAsAse, bhItaramen lagan laganI chAhiye ki bhItamense sukh kaise pragaT ho? aisI laganapUrvak shAntise, dhairyase usake svabhAvako pahachAnakarake karanA chAhiye.

mumukShu- ... abhI tak jo hai sukh AtmAmen nahIn mAnA hai aur bAharase buddhigat dvArA to mAn liyA. lekin antarase jo hai vishvAs nahIn hai. antaramen sukhakA anubhav nahIn hotA. is kAraNase bAr-bAr jo hai jin sukhonko anAdi kAlase isane bhog

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rakhA hai, usakI taraph usakA dhyAn baTatA rahatA hai. aur usake kAraN hI usamen sukh mAnatA hai. yahI (kAraN hai)?

samAdhAna- hAn, is kAraNase. sukhakI dRuDh pratIti nahIn hai bha bhItaramen isaliye bAhar jAtA hai. aur usako dukh lage ki ye to dukhasvarUp hai, AkulatA lage, shubh aur ashubh donon bhAv AkulatArUp hai aur shuddhAtmA hai vah sukharUp hai. shubhabhAv hai vah puNyabandhakA kAraN hai to bhI us shubhabhAvamen bhI AkulatA hai, AtmAkA svarUp to nahIn hai. jo siddha bhagavAnakA svarUp (hai), siddha bhagavAnamen koI shubh yA ashubhabhAv nahIn hai, aise AtmAmen koI isakA svabhAv nahIn hai. shubhabhAvamen bhI AkulatA hai. in donon bhAvase main bhinna shuddhAtmA nirvikalpa tattva hUn, aisI dRuDh pratIti bhItaramense AnI chAhiye to pariNati svakI or jAy aur parase haTe. usase virakti hove, usamen shAnti nahIn lage, AtmAmen shAnti, sukh lage to svabhAvamen jAya. aisI dRuDh pratIti karanI chAhiye.

mumukShu- dRuDh pratIti kam hai.

samAdhAna- pratIti kam hai, bArambAr abhyAs nahIn hai, puruShArtha kam hai isaliye.

mumukShu- puruShArtha bhI nahIn hai, dRuDh pratIti bhI nahIn hai. bahut sundar, ati sundara.

samAdhAna- bArambAr main gnAyak hUn, aise gnAyakakI mahimA AnI chAhiye. gnAyakamen ananta guN, Ananda sab gnAyak svabhAvamen hai, aisI mahimA AnI chAhiye. phir kShaN- kShaN bhedagnAn kare. gnAyakamen ekatvabuddhi kare, main parase vibhakta (hUn). kShaN-kShaNamen jo vikalpa AtA hai, vah main nahIn hUn. main to chaitanyatattva hUn, yah main nahIn hUn, main to chaitanya hUn. main parapadArtha, vah tattva main nahIn hUn, main to chaitanya padArtha hUn. aise bArambAr bhedagnAnakI pariNati karanI chAhiye. sva gnAyakamen ekatvabuddhi aur parase bhedagnAn karanA chAhiye. aisI bhedagnAnakI pariNati pragaT hove tab bhItaramense svAnubhUtikA mArga ho sakatA hai. bhedagnAn pragaT kare aur gnAyakakI pratIti kare, bhedagnAn kare to ho sakatA hai.

mumukShu- gnAyakakI pratIti antarase..

samAdhAna- antarase honI chAhiye.

mumukShu- shabdonkA, akSharonkA...

samAdhAna- nahIn, shabdonse nahIn, bhItarase (honI chAhiye).

mumukShu- bhAvonse aisA Ave, aisI sthiti bhAvonke andar A jAve to kAm bane.

samAdhAna- hAn, to kAm bane. bhAvamen (AnA chAhiye).

mumukShu- abhI to bahut dUr hai. satya svIkAr karanemen jo ... apan to ThIk mArga par Aye hain. kyA AnandakA anubhav huA! AjakA prasang baDA ThIk lagA, mangalakArI

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lagA. lekin antarakI taraph ... AtmAmen sanskAr baDA kaThin lagatA hai. pratIti nahIn hai, vishvAs nahIn hai, AtmAkA sukh pratibhAsit nahIn hotA. AtmAkA sukh shabdonse jarUr bhAsatA hai.

samAdhAna- gurudev kahate the ki tujhase na ho sake, puruShArtha manda hove, na ho sake to shraddhA to yathArtha karanA ki mArga to yah hai. pratIt to aisI dRuDh rakhanA ki shubhAshubh bhAvase bhinna main chaitanyatattva gnAyakatattva hUn. aisI shraddhA to yathArtha karanA. shraddhA karake phir puruShArtha dhIre-dhIre hove, parantu pratIti to yathArtha karanA. kisIko jaldI puruShArtha hotA hai, kisIko dhIre hotA hai, parantu shraddhA to bhItaramense yathArtha karanA.

mumukShu- vishvAs to AyA hai, vishvAsamen to kuchh (gaDabaDI nahIn hai. vishvAs to barAbar mahesus hotA hai ki mArga to sachchA yahI hai. mArga jo hai, satya mArga to yahI hai. lekin is mArga par chalanemen bAr-bAr anukUlatA-sukhAnubhav ... baDI kamajorIsI lag rahI hai. bAr-bAr anya taraph jo hai dhyAn baTatA hai. parivAramen, gharamen, bAharamen, arthamen, yah sArI kamajorI hai.

samAdhAna- kamajorIkA kAraN hai. ruchi, puruShArtha, pratIti bhItaramense dRuDh karanA. pratIti dRuDh hove to vikalpa TUTe to svAnubhUti hove. pahale to antaramense karanA chAhiye.

mumukShu- vishvAsakI dRuShTise to barAbar hai, bAkI abhI pariNatikI dRuShTise (kamajorI lag rahI hai.)

mumukShu- AtmAmen gnAnaguN hai, to gnAnaguNakI paryAy to barAbar jAnanemen AtI hai, sukhaguN bhI AtmAmen hai, to sukhaguNakI paryAy to jAnanemen nahIn AtI.

samAdhAna- sukhaguN hai. gnAnasvabhAv aisA asAdhAraN guN hai. vah asAdhAraN hai isaliye gnAn to jAnanemen AtA hai, parantu sukhaguN hai (use) bAharamen sukhakI kalpanA ho rahI hai. sukhaguN to jab svAnubhUti hotI hai, vikalpa TUTe tab sukhakA anubhav hotA hai. to usako Ananda pragaT hotA hai. sukhakA svabhAv aisA hai, gnAnakA svabhAv aisA hai ki asAdhAraN guN hai to gnAn to jAnanemen AtA hai. sukhakA svabhAv aisA hai.

gnAn to aisA asAdhAraN visheSh guN hai, isaliye vah jAnanemen AtA hai ki yah gnAn hai, main gnAyak hUn. bhedagnAn karake... Anshik shAnti (pragaT ho), parantu yathArtha AnandakA anubhav to vikalpa TUTe tab AtA hai. svAnubhUtimen Ananda AtA hai. usakA svabhAv aisA hai. AnandaguN aur gnAnaguNamen pharka hai. gnAn to asAdhAraN guN hai.

mumukShu- visheSh guNamen bhI taphAvat hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, taphAvat hai. AtmAmen ananta guN hai. usamen gnAnaguN mukhya asAdhAraN

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guN hai. visheSh guN hai. chetan-chetanAguN asAdhAraN hai. donon tattva bhinna paDe-jaD tattva aur chaitanyatattva. jaD kuchh jAnatA nahIn hai. chaitanyatattva jAnanevAlA hai. vah usakA asAdhAraN guN hai. pudagalakA jaD hai, jAnatA nahIn hai. asAdhAraN guN hai, gnAn svabhAv hai. visheSh guN hai.

mumukShu- sukhaguN visheSh guN hai?

samAdhAna- gnAnasvabhAv visheSh guN hai, AtmAkA mukhya guN hai. gnAnaguN mukhya hai. sukhaguN mukhya hai, parantu vah vikalpa TUTe binA anubhavamen nahIn AtA. jab vikalpa TUTe tab vah anubhavamen AtA hai. sukhaguNa. aur gnAnasvabhAv to aise jAnanemen AtA hai ki main jAnanevAlA hUn. gnAnasvabhAvako lakShaNase pahachAn letA hai.

mumukShu- vikalpa TUTe to sukhaguN anubhavamen Aye.

samAdhAna- sukhaguN pragaT hotA hai.

mumukShu- ...vikalpa TUTanA aur vikalpAtIt avasthA prApta karanA, ye to...

samAdhAna- anumAnase pratIti kar sakatA hai ki gnAnamen sukh hai, gnAnamen Ananda hai, AtmAmen (sukh hai, aisI) pratIti to ho sakatI hai. parantu anubhav AnandakA vikalpa TUTe tab AtA hai. ho sakatA hai. vikalpAtIt avasthA, nirvikalpa dashA svAnubhUti (ho sakatI hai). samyagdarshan usako kahate hain, jisako svAnubhUti hotI hai usako samyagdarshan kahate hain. svAnubhUti ho sakatI hai. gRuhasthAshramamen svAnubhUti (hotI hai). samyagdarshan pragaT (hotA hai). vikalpAtIt vikalpase atIt nirvikalpa dashA ho sakatI hai. muniko visheSh hotI hai. kShaN.. kShaN.. kShaNamen nirvikalpa dashA vikalpa (TUTakar) kShaN-kShaNamen svAnubhUti hotI hai. gRuhasthAshramamen aisI nahIn hotI, kam hotI hai, parantu ho sakatI hai. vikalpAtIt avasthA ho sakatI hai. samyagdarshan is panchamakAlamen ho sakatA hai. svAnubhUti nirvikalpa dashA pancham kAlamen ho sakatI hai.

mumukShu- santonkA to lag rahA hai, mainne ek-do din apanA thoDAsA sthagitasA rakh liyA aur itavAr takake liye (ruk gayA), bAkI parivAravAlonko Aj (bhej diyA). unako thoDI kam-sI ruchi thI to unako pAlItANA vagairah (gaye).

samAdhAna- parapadArthamen ruchi lagI hai, AtmAmen ruchi kam hai. AtmAmen ruchi lage, bas, AtmAmen sab hai, bAharamen nahIn hai. AtmAmen sukh hai, Ananda hai, ananta guNase (bharapUr) AtmA adabhut vastu hai. aise AtmAkI mahimA Ave, AtmAkI ruchi lage tab AtmAkI (mukhyatA) ho.

mumukShu- ye bhI usIkA Ananda huA na, jo chaitanyakA Ananda hai usako chaitanyakI prApti samajhamen A jAy ki main chaitanya hUn, to usakA man bhI lagane lagegA.

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samAdhAna- to man bhI lage. paramArthakA panth ek hI hotA hai.

mumukShu- ek hI hai, vah chaitanyakA.

samAdhAna- chaitanyakA. usakI ruchi, usakA gnAn, usakI shraddhA, usamen lInatA, basa.

mumukShu- kyonki main jo hUn, mandir jAtA hUn to minaT lagatI hai. ... main roj hUn. lekin main do ghaNTe nahIn baiThatA. do minaTamen bhI agar ham koshiSh karate hain ki kisI tarahase man jo hai chalAyamAn na ho, to vah utanI der bhI sthir nahIn ho pAtA.

samAdhAna- jinendra bhagavAnane sab kuchh pragaT kar diyA, bhagavAn to AtmAmen lIn ho gaye. bhagavAn AtmAkI svAnubhUtimen lIn hain. to merA bhI AtmA aisA hai. main chetan hUn, aisA chetanakA dhyAn kare to bhI ho. usakI mahimA honI chAhiye, usakA puruShArtha honA chAhiye.

mumukShu- itanA samajhamen AtA hai. isake bAd bhI kamI hai ham logomme.

samAdhAna- .. apanA astitva gnAyakakA grahaN kare, usakA bArambAr abhyAs kare ki main gnAyak hUn, gnAyak hUn. kShaN-kShaNamen dhokhanerUp alag hai, parantu antaramense kare to yathArtha hotA hai. dhokhanerUp usakA nirNay kare vah alag bAt hai. parantu antaramense main gnAyak hUn, yah main nahIn hUn. apanA astitva grahaN kare.

mumukShu- antaramense isaliye nirvikalpatAse?

samAdhAna- nahIn, nirvikalpa to bAdamen hotA hai, pahale abhyAs hotA hai. nirvikalpa to use vikalpa TUTakar svAnubhUti hotI hai. vah to svAnubhUtirUp hai. vah to abhyAs kare usakA phal hai. usakA phal AtA hai. svAnubhUti vikalpa TUTakar (hotI hai). ye to use vikalpa Ane par bhI, vikalpa so main nahIn hUn, aisI pratIti, aisA gnAn aur pariNati antaramen aisA abhyAs kare. bhale gaharAIse nahIn ho, parantu gaharAIse, yathArtha gaharAIse kare to-to usakA phal yathArtha AtA hai. bArambAr main gnAyak hUn, antar svabhAv pahichAnakar kare. jise hotA hai use svAnubhUti antarmuhUrtamen hotI hai. jise na ho, vah bArambAr abhyAs kare. bArambAr chhAchhakA manthan karanese usamense makkhan nikalatA hai. main gnAyak hUn, gnAyak hUn, (aisA kare to) makkhan Upar Aye. vaise nirAlA gnAyak pragaT ho, svayamko anAdise vibhAvakA abhyAs hai, apanA abhyAs kare to pragaT hotA hai.

mumukShu- upayogamen upayog, AtA hai.

samAdhAna- upayogamen upayog, krodhamen krodha. bhedagnAn kare ki main chaitanyarUp hUn, yah main nahIn hUn. svamen ekatva aur parase vibhakta. apanemen ekatvabuddhi kare, parase vibhaktabuddhi

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kare. buddhimen grahaN kare, parantu antarase grahaN kare to yathArtha hotA hai.

mumukShu- vachanAmRutamen hai, ghoDA jaise chhalang lagAye, vaise kisIko..

samAdhAna- kisIko jaldI hotA hai. ghoDA chhalang lagAye aise ekadam antarmuhUrtamen hotA hai aur kisIko dhIre-dhIre hotA hai. vah to usakI jaisI puruShArthakI gati.

mumukShu- usake pahale to puruShArtha sab vikalpakA hI hotA hai na?

samAdhAna- sAthamen vikalpa hote hain, parantu main vikalpa nahIn hUn. aisI pratIti usake sAth honI chAhiye. vikalpa Aye, phir bhI main vikalpa nahIn hUn. vikalpase main bhinna hUn, main bhinna hUn. us prakArakA antarase abhyAs, aisI pariNati pragaT kare. vikalpa Ane par bhI main vikalpa nahIn hUn, aisA bhedagnAn kare, aisI shraddhA kare. jo chhUTe vah to.. vikalpa to pahale hotA hI hai, anAdikAlase vikalpamen to paDA hI hai. usase chhUTanekA prayatna kare ki vikalpa main nahIn hUn.

mumukShu- gnAyakamen ananta guN lene?

samAdhAna- hAn. ek gnAyakakA astitva grahaN kiyA usamen ananta guN A jAte hain. use gnAnamen sab Aye, parantu dRuShTi to koI bhed nahIn karatI hai. vah to abhedako ek sAmAnyako grahaN kar letI hai, apanA gnAyakakA astitva. usamen usakI ananta shaktiyAn, ananta guN A jAte hain.

mumukShu- aur vedanamen bhI ananta guN Ate hain?

samAdhAna- vah to use svAnubhUtimen Ate hain. ananta guNonkI paryAy hotI hai. ananta guNakI paryAy use vedanamen (AtI hai). lekin usake koI bhinna-bhinna nAm nahIn hote. usake vedanamen AtI hai.

mumukShu- svAnubhUtike vedanakI kaisI shAnti aur kaisA atIndriy ras hotA hai, usakA thoDA varNan....

samAdhAna- vah to koI vachanamen nahIn AtA. jagatase bhinna hai, jagatase bhinna hI hai. jo use vibhAvakA Ananda aur vibhAvakA ras hai vah to alag hai. ye to nirvikalpa Ananda hai. chaitanyake Ashrayamense... chaitanyarUp hai, chaitanyamense pragaT huA Ananda hai. use kisIkA Ashray nahIn hai. svayam apane Ashrayamense pragaT huA hai. jaise barpha hai, aise svayam ananta shAnti, ananta ThaNDakase bharA hai, ananta Anandase bharA hai. shAnti ek alag chIj hai, ye to ananta Anandase bharA hai, ananta gnAnase bharA hai. vah to usakA guN hI hai. jo apane guN hain, un guNonkI paryAy pragaT hotI hai. use koI vikalpakA Ashray nahIn hai. jahAn AkulatA nahIn hai. shAnti to hai, parantu Ananda pragaT hotA hai.

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mumukShu- lakShya to dravyakA aur vedan paryAyakA.

samAdhAna- hAn, vedan paryAyakA. lakShya dravyakA, vedan paryAyakA.

mumukShu- paryAyamen to jaise kaShAyase bhedagnAn ho, tab ek kaShAyake abhAv jitanA svAnubhUtike kAlamen vedan hotA hai na? prathamamen to.

samAdhAna- kaShAyakA abhAv hokar jo...

mumukShu- anantAnubandhIke abhAvakA.

samAdhAna- anantAnubandhIke abhAvakA.... pahale to vah bhedagnAn karatA hai ki main yah nahIn hUn. vah to bhedagnAn hai. vikalpa TUTakar jo AtA hai, vah to usake chaitanyamense (AtA hai), vah to usamense AtA hai. bhedagnAn kare to amuk anshamen use shAnti lagatI hai. Ananda to, savikalpamen use Ananda nahIn hai, parantu shAnti aur samAdhi jaisA lagatA hai. bAkI vikalpa TUTakar to Ananda uchhalatA hai, vah alag hai. vah savikalpamen nahIn hotA hai, vah nirvikalpamen hI hotA hai.

mumukShu- vah Ananda kaisA?

samAdhAna- kaisA vah koI kah sakatA hai? ghI kaisA hai? ghIkA svAd kaisA hai? chInI kaisI hai? mIThI. to kaisA mIThA, vah bolanekI bAt nahIn hai.

mumukShu- dRuShTAntake rUpamen? samAdhAna- dRuShTAnta... vah to anupam hai, use kisIkI upamA nahIn lAgU paDatI.