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samAdhAna- ... parantu vah to vahIkA vahI hai, anya nahIn hai. jo svayamkI svaprakAshanakI dashAmen aur paraprakAshanakI dashAmen, donommen ek hI hai, anya koI gnAyak nahIn hai. gnAyak jo hai vahI hai. jo gnAyak svAnubhUtimen gnAt huA vah gnAyak, aur jo gnAyak, bAhar upayog jAy to bhI gnAyak, vah donon gnAyak to ek hI hai. anya gnAyak nahIn hai, gnAyak to vahIkA vahI hai. koI bhI dashAmen gnAyak vahIkA vahI hai. koI bhI dashA, pramatta-apramattakI dashA ho, chauthe guNasthAnakI dashA ho, pAnchave guNasthAnakI dashA ho, koI bhI ho, to gnAyak par jo dRuShTi hai, gnAyakakI jo dhArA hai, gnAyak shAshvat jo anAdikA hai, vah gnAyak to vahIkA vahI hai, anya gnAyak nahIn hai. gnAyak vahIkA vahI hai. sva-par prakAshanakI dashAmen gnAyak (vahI hai). apanI or svAnubhUtike kAlamen athavA bAhar upayog ho tab bhI gnAyak to vahI hai, gnAyak koI anya nahIn hai. gnAyak anya nahIn hai. gnAyak vahIkA vahI hai.

mumukShu- vah gnAyak yAnI dhruv gnAyak lenA yA paryAyamen jo gnAyakatA pragaT huI vah lenA?

samAdhAna- jo pragaT huA vah gnAyak aur anAdikA gnAyak, donon apekShA usamen hai. use anAdikA gnAyak hai, parantu usakA vedan usako kahAn hai? ise vedanapUrvakakA gnAyak hai. anAdikA to hai hI, parantu yah pragaT huA gnAyak hai. apane svarUpamense kahIn bAhar nahIn AtA hai, gnAyak vah gnAyak hI hai. dIpak svayam apanI... dIpakako prakAshit kare yA parako prakAshit kare, dIpak dIpak hI hai. (vais) gnAyak gnAyak hI hai. gnAyak so gnAyak hI hai.

... par dRuShTi nahIn hai, parantu gnAyak par dRuShTi hai. gnAyak to gnAyak hI hai, bas! hamen gnAyak prApta ho. gnAyakakI paripUrNatA prApta ho. paryAy par lakShya nahIn hai. "jo gnAt vo to vohI hai.' gnAyak sadAke liye gnAyak vah gnAyak hI hai.

mumukShu- AtmAke aur paryAyake pradesh bhinna mAnatA hai. rAgake jo pradesh hai, yadi rAgake pradeshako bhinna nahIn mAne to rAg chalA jAy to AtmA bhI chalA jAya. usake pradesh chale jAy to AtmAkA bhI chale jAya. to bhAvabhedase AtmAke pradesh bhinna

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hai yA vAstavamen AtmA dravya aur paryAyake pradesh bhinna-bhinna hain?

samAdhAna- bhAvabhedase bhinna hai.

mumukShu- gurudev to aisA kahate the, aisA bahut log kahate hain.

samAdhAna- paryAy svayam svatantra hai aur dravya svatantra hai. dononkI svatantratA darshAne hetu usake pradesh (bhinna kahanemen Ate hain). paryAyakA aur dravyakA svarUp bhinna hai. isaliye usake pradesh bhinna hai. parantu yadi chaitanyakI vibhAvaparyAy jaD hI karatA ho to use chhoDanA rahatA nahIn, use kuchh puruShArtha karanA nahIn rahatA hai. vibhAvaparyAy hotI hai apane puruShArthakI mandatAse aur vah nij svabhAv nahIn hai. svabhAv nahIn hai, jisakA svabhAv bhinna usakA kShetra bhinna, vah vastu bhinna Adi sab usake bhAv apekShAse bhinna kahanemen AtA hai.

parantu jaise do dravya svatantra hain, ek chaitanyadravya, dUsarA jaDadravya, vah donon svatantra hain, vaise hI dravya aur paryAy vaise hI svatantra ho to paryAy svayam hI dravya ho jAya. to vah do dravya bhinna ho jAya. parantu do dravya bhinna hain, usI apekShAse dravya aur paryAy usI apekShAse bhinna hain, aisA nahIn hai.

dravya svayam shAshvat trikAl hai aur ananta guNase bharA dravya hai aur paryAy kShaNik hai evan ek ansh hai. aur dravya sat, guN sat, paryAy (sat). paryAy bhI ek sat hai. use sat batAneke liye aur vah bhI ek sat svarUp hai, vah darshAne hetu usake pradesh bhinna kahanemen Ate haiain. parantu vAstavamen jaisA AtmAkA kShetra bhinna hai aur jaisA kShetra pudagalakA bhinna hai, vaisA hI usakA kShetra bhinna ho to do dravya ho jAya. paryAy hai vah dravyake Ashrayase hotI hai. paryAy akelI svatantra Upar-Upar nahIn hotI hai. isaliye paryAyako dravyakA Ashray hotA hai. us apekShAse do dravya bhinna hain, vaisI hI paryAy svatantra nahIn hai. parantu amuk apekShAse usakI paryAy sat hai aisA batAneke liye, usakA bhAv bhinna hai, isaliye kShetra bhinna, isaliye vastu bhinna hai, aisA kahanemen AtA hai.

mumukShu- gnAn bhinna, rAg bhinna. rAgakA pradesh nirmal paryAyake na mAne, lekin rAgakA pradesh bhinna mAnanemen koI dikkat AtI hai?

samAdhAna- rAgakA pradesh bhale hI bhinna mAne. usamen koI dikkat nahIn AtI. parantu vah apane puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai. gnAnakI nirmal paryAy hai usakA to vedan hotA hai aur nij svabhAvarUp pariNati hai. aur ye to vibhAvarUp pariNati hai. isaliye usake pradeshabhed mAnanemen dikkat nahIn AtI, parantu vah apane puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai, usakA lakShya honA chAhiye. vah bilakUl jaDake hI hain, to svayamko puruShArtha karanA nahIn rahatA hai.

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mumukShu- bhAvabhed mAno to hI usakA phainsalA hogA.

samAdhAna- hAn, to hI phainsalA hotA hai. vah hai, vah usakI paryAy sat hai aisA batAneke liye hai. parantu usake gnAnamen aisA hai ki ye bhinna hai-bhinna hai, bhAvabhed to vaise hI rahatA hai ki yah bhinna hai, yah bhinna hai. bhedagnAn karanevAleko aisA hI hotA hai ki ye rAg bhinna hai aur gnAn bhinna hai. rAg bhinna aur gnAn bhinna hai. yah main gnAn hUn aur yah rAg hai. bhAvabhedase bhed honeke kAraN vah bhinna hI hai. parantu asthiratA hai vah usake gnAnamen rahatA hai, vah mere puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai. vah chaitanyakI paryAyamen hotA hai. parantu merA svabhAv nahIn hai.

mumukShu- barAbar baiThatA hai. pradesh dononke bhinna mAnanemen to Aye to do dravya ho jAya.

samAdhAna- do dravya hI bhinna ho jAte hain.

mumukShu- vyavasthA TUT jAya.

samAdhAna- sab vyavasthA TUT jAya. usakA vedan chaitanyako ho hI nahIn to vibhAvakA vedan... svabhAvaparyAyakI to ek alag bAt hai ki vah svabhAvakI paryAy hai. parantu ye vibhAv hai, usakA bhale kShetrabhed ho, kyonki vah nimitta-orase hotA hai. parantu puruShArthakI mandatAse apanI pariNati hotI hai, utanA use lakShyamen rakhanA chAhiye. nahIn to puruShArtha karanA hI nahIn rahatA hai.

mumukShu- abhI merI ek jagah bAt huyI, satsangamen charchA huyI to usamen aisI bAt AyI, us bhAIne aise bAt kahI ki, Aj tak jo kuchh kiyA hai, us par rekhA nahIn khInchI jAy, chaukaDI mAranemen nahIn Aye to nishchay pragaT nahIn hotA. arthAt manda kaShAy karate.. karate.. karate... dharma pragaT ho jAyagA, yA dhAraNA gnAn majabUt karate-karate nishchay pragaT ho jAyagA, aisA tIn kAlamen bane nahIn. to Apane ek bAr kahA thA ki, dhAraNA gnAn bhI majabUt ho to dUsare bhavamen sanskArUpamen kAm AyegA. to vah AshvAsanarUp hai yA hakIkatarUp hai?

samAdhAna- nahIn, nahIn. dhAraNAgnAn yAnI vah dhokhanerUp gnAn samajhanA ki yah ajIv hai, ajIv hai, aise. dhAraNAgnAn yAnI vaisA gnAna. dhAraNAgnAn yA kaShAy manda karenge to dharma hogA, mandatA usakA sAdhan hai, aisI mAnyatAse use nukasAn hai. vah use sAdhan nahIn hotA. dhAraNAgnAn use vAstavik sAdhan nahIn hotA. usakA vAstavik sAdhan dhAraNAgnAn nahIn, parantu antaramen svayam dRuShTi kare, apanA gnAn svayamkA sAdhan hotA hai, parantu bIchamen vah AtA hai.

dhAraNAgnAn yAnI raTA huA gnAn aisA nahIn. parantu main yah chaitanya hUn, yah svabhAv

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bhinna hai, yah vibhAv bhinna hai. gnAnane svayamne buddhise jo nakkI kiyA hai, vah nakkI kiyA hai usakA abhyAs karatA hai. dhAraNAgnAn, bahut log shAstra dhokh lete hain, aisA dhAraNAgnAn kAm nahIn AtA. bIchamen use jAnapanA hai utanA use kuchh nimitta bane, bAkI (koI kAryakArI nahIn hai).

parantu yah jo svayam abhyAsapUrvak karatA hai, vah use vAstavik sAdhan to nahIn hai. vAstavik sAdhan to usakA jo svabhAv hai vahI use sAdhan hotA hai. parantu vah bIchamen AtA hai. use vyavahArase sAdhan kahanemen AtA hai. vyavahAr sAdhana. vyavahAr sAdhan na kahe to phir... pahalese to vah antaramen jA nahIn sakatA hai, isaliye mumukShuko kyA karanA rahatA hai? yathArtha ruchi aur main chaitanya hUn, aisI bhAvanA kare vah to bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA.

mumukShu- Aye binA rahatA nahIn, vah bAt to barAbar hai lekin use sAdhan mAnane jAy to ...

samAdhAna- nahIn, vAstavik sAdhan hai aisA nahIn. mUl sAdhan to dravya svabhAvamense puruShArtha uThakar, antaramense jo uThe vah vAstavik sAdhan hotA hai. parantu vah bIchamen AtA hai, vyavahAr sAdhan kahanemen AtA hai.

jaise anAdi kAlase gurukA upadesh aur jinendrakA upadesh use nimittarUpase deshanAlabdhi hotI hai, to vah bhI use ek sAdhan nimittarUpase kahanemen AtA hai. upAdAn hotA hai apanese, parantu anAdi kAlase aisA sambandha hai ki bIchamen gurukA upadesh aur jinendrakA upadesh, anAdi kAlakA anabhyAsI (jIv hai), jise kuchh pragaT nahIn huA, use ek bAr aisI deshanA milatI hai, andarase deshanA labdhi grahaN hotI hai svayamse, upAdAn svayamkA hai parantu usamen nimitta jinendra dev aur gurukA banatA hai, aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai. vaise jo svayam ruchi karatA hai, mAtra dhAraNAgnAn (karatA hai), use ruchi hI nahIn hai, aisA dhAraNAgnAn dhokh liyA hai, vah nahIn. parantu vah buddhise nakkI karatA hai ki main yah gnAn hUn, darshan hUn, chAritra hUn aise jo bhedake vikalpa Ate hain, vah vikalpa to bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahate. parantu vah vikalpa use vAstavik sAdhan hotA hai yA bhed use vAstavikarUpase sAdhan hotA hai, aisA nahIn hai.

sAdhan to apanI pariNati jo antaramense uchhalatI hai vahI usakA sAdhan hai. parantu vah bIchamen AtA hai. vah bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA. jaise nimitta-upAdAnakA sambandha guru evan svayamkI deshanAlabdhikA hai, vaise hI yah gnAn hUn, darshan hUn, chAritra hUn, sAdhanAmen aise bhedavikalpa Aye binA nahIn rahate.

jo svAnubhUti kare use jo dravya par dRuShTi hai, use bhI aise bhed vikalpa bIchamen

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to hote hain. parantu us par vah rukatA nahIn. usakI dRuShTi dravya par hai. vaise ruchivAlA hai, usako vikalpa sab Ate hain, parantu vah usamen rukatA nahIn. vAstavik sAdhan to main dravya par dRuShTi karake jo antaramense merI pariNati pragaT ho, vahI merA vAstavik sAdhan hai. parantu bIchamen use ruchike sAth ye sab-main chaitanya hUn, main gnAn hUn aisA abhyAs Aye binA rahatA nahIn. vah bIchamen amuk prakArase AtA hai.

jaise gurukA upadesh bIchamen hotA hI hai, vaise ye amuk jAtake vikalpa shubh hain, vah bIchamen Ate hain. main gnAn hUn, darshan hUn, chAritra hUn, vah sab bhedavikalpa hai. lekin usakI dRuShTi, main to ananta guNakA piNDa chaitanya jo astitva (hai), jo chaitanya hUn so hUn astirUp, usamen vikalpa sAdhan nahIn hotA. use vikalpa toDanemen vikalpa sAdhan nahIn hotA. nirvikalpakA sAdhan vikalpa nahIn hotA. nirvikalpa dashAkA sAdhan svayam apanI pariNati nirvikalparUp pariName, vah sAdhan hai. parantu yah bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA. parantu use gnAnamen aisA honA chAhiye ki yah vyavahAr hai, yah vAstavik nahIn hai. usake gnAnamen aisA honA chAhiye. use sarvasvatA nahIn mAn lenI ki aisA karate-karate hogA. parantu usakI dRuShTi astitva grahaN karane par honI chAhiye ki main merA astitva kaise grahaN karun? dRuShTi us or honI chAhiye. parantu svabhAvakI khoj karanI ki yah gnAn hai, darshan hai, aise khoj karaneke vichAr use Aye binA nahIn rahate.

mumukShu- Aye binA nahIn rahatA yah barAbar hai, lekin usakI ruchi ho jAy to nishchay pragaT nahIn hotA na? kyonki vyavahAr hai vah asatyArtha hai, abhUtArtha hai.

samAdhAna- usakI ruchi yAnI usImen aTak jAnA aisA to honA hI nahIn chAhiye. dRuShTi to Age baDhanekI honI chAhiye. usamen aTak jAnA aisA nahIn honA chAhiye. parantu vah to bIchamen AtA hai. AchAryadev kahate hain, ham Apako tIsarI bhUmikAmen jo amRutakumbh bhUmikAmen jAneko kahate hain, vahAn nIche-nIche mat giro. jo shuddha bhUmikAmen jAneko kahate hain, usamen shubh chhoDakar ashubhamen jAneko nahIn kahate hain. parantu shuddhakI bhUmikAmen jAneko kahate haiain. usamen bIchamen yah shubh to AtA hai, parantu vah sarvasva hai aisA nahIn mAnanA. shuddha bhUmikA-amRutakumbh bhUmikA kaise pragaT ho, dRuShTi vahAn honI chAhiye. ruchi to vahAn honI chAhiye. parantu ruchi vahAn hai. bIchamen ye sab jo vyavahAr hai vah Aye binA nahIn rahatA.

mumukShu- ek antim prashna pUchhatA hUn ki nirvikalpa aur savikalpa. to gnAnIko nirvikalpapanA kitane samayamen AtA hai? kShayopashamavAleko AnA jarUrI hai. kShAyik samakitIko laDAIke maidAnamen jAy aur sATh hajAr varSha tak vApas na Aye to usamen

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bIchamen nirvikalpa dashA AtI hai? athavA kitanA samay nahIn Aye to vah Tik sake?

samAdhAna- usakI amuk jAtakI dashA hotI hai us anusAr AtI hai. kisIko jaldI Aye, kisIko lambe samay bAd Aye. usakA nishchit nahIn hotA. kisIkI pariNati ekadam sva-or muDI huI ho to jaldI AtI hai, kisIkI pariNati amuk kAyAmen rukA rahe to use amuk kAlake bAd AtI hai.

mumukShu- usakI koI had hai? koI limiT hai ki do-chAr-chha mahinemen jaise kaShAy palaTA nahIn khAye.. chha mahinemen nirvikalpatA nahIn Aye to gnAnase chyut ho jAy?

samAdhAna- amuk samayamen AnA to chAhiye hI, aisA niyam to hai.

mumukShu- aisA pUchhanA chAhate hain ki, pAnch-das sAl tak na Aye, aisA ho sakatA hai?

samAdhAna- nahIn, aisA nahIn hotA. pAnch-das sAl tak nahIn Aye aisA nahIn hotA.

mumukShu- kShAyik samakitI jo laDAIke maidAnamen jAte honge to unhen nirvikalpatA laDAIke maidAnamen Aye?

samAdhAna- use pAnch-das sAl nikal jAy, pAnch sAl (nikal jAy) aisA nahIn banatA. laDAIke maidAnamen pariNati palaT jAy to Aye bhI. na Aye aisA nahIn banatA. ek shrAvakakA AtA hai na? laDAImen baiThe-baiThe vichAr palaT gaye to munipanA le lUn, aisA vichAr AyA. lonch karatA hai us vakta. aisA ho jAtA hai. laDAIke maidAnamen bhI antarmuhUrtamen bhAv palaT sakatA hai.

mumukShu- aur laDAI kahAn chaubIs ghaNTe chalatI hai.

samAdhAna- chaubIs ghaNTe laDAI thoDe hI chalatI hai. do rAjake kumvar ghoDe par baiThe the aur unhen vichAr A gayA ki ye kyA laDAIke kArya? munipanAkI bhAvanA hotI hai, antaramense ekadam parivartan ho jAtA hai. Aye hI nahIn aisA nahIn hotA.

vaise svAnubhUti na Aye aisA nahIn hotA. shAstramen usakA niyamit kAl AtA nahIn, parantu pAnch sAl jitane varSha nahIn nikal jAte. use amuk mahinommen, amuk samayamen hI AtI hai, utanA lambA kAl nahIn lagatA. kitanonko to bahut jaldI AtI hai. gRuhasthAshramamen rahanevAle ho to bhI use itanA lambA kAl nahIn chalA jAtA.

mumukShu- merI charchA yah hai ki kShayopasham samakitImen tAratamyatAke bhed paDate hain, isaliye usamen to AnA jarUrI hai. parantu kShAyik samakitIko der bhI lage, usamen koI niyam nahIn hai.

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samAdhAna- nahIn, nahIn. kShAyikavAleko derase nahIn AtI, kShAyikavAleko jaldI AtI hai. kShayopashamavAleko jaldI Aye aur kShAyikavAleko der lage, aisA nahIn banatA.

mumukShu- aise koI parigrahamen paD gayA ho to der bhI lage.

samAdhAna- nahIn, nahIn. kShAyikavAleko der nahIn lagatI. bhale bAharase chAhe jitanA parigrah ho. kShAyikavAlekI pariNati to jyAdA dRuDh hai. use der nahIn lagatI.

mumukShu- suratamen kuchh charchA huyI thI.

samAdhAna- kShAyikavAleko der nahIn lagatI.

mumukShu- suratamen nahIn, pAlanapuramen jo nagInabhAI hai unhonne mujhe aise samajhAyA.

samAdhAna- nahIn, nahIn. kShayopashamavAleko jaldI Aye aur kShAyikavAleke der lage aisA nahIn hotA.

mumukShu- nahIn, kShAyikavAleko jaldI ho, parantu koI kShAyikavAlA laDAIke maidAnamen gayA ho to der bhI lage, aisA ho sakatA hai.

samAdhAna- nahIn, nahIn. kShAyikavAleko derase nahIn hotI.

mumukShu- samakit honekA mUl kAraN apanA upAdAn aur vyavahArase gnAnIke prati arpaNabuddhi nahIn AyI hai, aisA ho sakatA hai? dUsare sab vyavahArakA chhed kare to?

samAdhAna- mUl kAraN andar AtmasvabhAvakI or ruchikA palaTA kare. to jise AtmAkI ruchi hotI hai use, jinhonne pragaT kiyA aise guru par, dev-guru-shAstra par use arpaNatA Aye binA nahIn rahatI. use unakI mahimA Aye binA nahIn rahatI. jo antaramen jAy, use sachche dev-guru par mahimA AtI hI hai. aisA nimitta-naimittik (sambandha hai). deshanAlabdhikA jaisA sambandha hai, vaise antaramen jo ruchivAlA hai use sachche dev- guru-shAstra hRudayamen Aye binA nahIn rahate. phir bAhya kArya kyA bhaje, use kitanA sAnnidhya mil vah ek alag bAt hai, parantu usake hRudayamen A jAte hain. ... ruchi bhale apanI or jAtI hai, parantu usake jo sAdhan hain, jinhonne vah pragaT kiyA hai, usakI mahimA usake hRudayamen Aye binA nahIn rahatI.

mumukShu- mukhyamen mukhya sAdhan gnAnIke prati arpaNabuddhi AnI, usamen sab samA jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- mukhyamen mukhya sAdhan gnAnI par arpaNAtabuddhi parantu... arpaNabuddhi nij chaitanyakI mahimApUrvak honI chAhiye. mujhe chaitanya pragaT ho, aisI usakI buddhi honI chAhiye. aisA honA chAhiye. akelI arpaNatAmen sarvasva mAn le aur isamense hI mujhe sab hogA, aisI dRuShTi nahIn honI chAhiye. AtmA-orakI ruchi, sarva vibhAvase mujhe nyArApan ho,

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AtmAkI ruchi to honI chAhiye. usake sAth arpaNatA honI chAhiye. mukhya sAdhan arpaNatA, tattva vichAr vah sab sAdhan hain. antarakI virakti, andar vibhAvase, bAhya sanyogase virakti, vibhAv-orase virakti. ye vibhAv nahIn chAhiye. vibhAvakI virakti chAhiye. tattvakA vichAr chAhiye, svabhAv kaise grahaN ho? aur svabhAv jisane grahaN kiyA aise dev-guru-shAstrakI orase mujhe mArga mile. ata dev-guru-shAstrakI arpaNatA Aye. sab sAthamen hotA hai.

mumukShu- gnAnIkI or arpaNatA kiye binA gnAn hotA nahIn, aisA shrImadamen AtA hai na?

samAdhAna- gnAnIkI or arpaNatA kiye binA...?

mumukShu- gnAn hotA nahIn.

samAdhAna- vah satya hai. parantu vah aisA mAne ki bAharakA mujhe kyA kAm hai? main apaneAp samajh lUngA. yadi aisI dRuShTi ho to use gnAn pariNamatA nahIn. gnAnI kyA kahate hain? gnAnionne kyA mArga batAyA hai? usakA Ashay samajhaneke liye utanI mahimA honI chAhiye. main merese samajhUn aur nimittakA kyA kAm hai? aisI dRuShTi usakI ho to vah jUThA hai, to svachchhandabuddhi hai. mujhase samajhanA hai. gnAnI kyA kahate hain? jinhonne mArga prApta kiyA ve kyA kahate hain? aisI buddhi honI chAhiye. svayam apanese samajhatA nahIn hai to jinhonne mArga samajhA hai, un par use arpaNatA Aye binA nahIn rahatI.

mumukShu- ApakI vANI sunate hain to itanI mudhar lagatI hai ki sunate hI rahen. kitanI bAr to virah lagatA hai, AhA..! aisI bAt kahAn sunane milatI hai.

mumukShu- Aj to mAtAjIne bahut dhodh bahAyA. samAdhAna- ... nirvikalpa dashA amuk ho, aur kShAyikavAleko vaise ho, aisA niyam nahIn hotA.