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mumukShu- kabhI to aisA lagatA hai mAno shuShkatA A jAtI hai, hRuday bhIgA huA nahIn rahakarake. usamen tattvakI samajhakA kyA doSh hogA?

samAdhAna- shuShkatA to apane kAraNase (hotI hai). bAkI apanA hRuday bhIgA huA rahe, apane svabhAvakI mahimA Aye, apane svabhAvamen hI sarvasva hai. yah sab bAharakA hai vah to tuchchha hai. svabhAvakI mahimA to... mahimAse bharA svabhAv hai. aisI mahimA Aye to aisA nahIn hotA, shuShkatA Aye hI nahIn, usakA hRuday bhIgA huA rahe. apanA svabhAv, vahI adabhut aur AdaraNIy hai. shuShkatAko palaT denA ki mahimAvant merA svabhAv hai. ye bAhya vastu kuchh mahimAvant nahIn hai.

mumukShu- samajh kI ho, lekin andar kuchh AcharaN karanekA AtA nahIn.

samAdhAna- vah AcharaN hI hai. svabhAvakI or jise sachchI samajh ho, vah antaramen utanA lIn hotA hI nahIn. use jo vibhAv pariNAm sankalpa-vikalpa Aye usamen usakI tanmayatA nahIn hotI. ras TUT hI jAtA hai. usakA hRuday bhIgA huA rahatA hai. use kahIn chain nahIn paDatA. svabhAvake sivA kahIn chain nahIn paDatA. use bAhya padAthAmen, khAne-pInemen har jagahase ras uD jAtA hai. antarase niras ho jAtA hai, svabhAvakI mahimA lagatI hai.

mumukShu- ananta.. ananta.. ananta kAl gayA to bhI mokSha prApta nahIn huA. to aisA lagatA hai ki ananta-ananta kAl mokSha prApta karaneke liye lagatA hogA?

samAdhAna- ananta kAlase mokSha nahIn huA usakA kAraN svayam kahIn-kahIn aTakA hai. mAtra kriyAmen dharma mAn liyA, thoDA kuchh kar liyA, kuchh shubhabhAv kar liyA, kuchh dayA, dAn thoDA-thoDA kar liyA to mAno dharma ho gayA. aisA mAn liyA. isaliye mokSha nahIn huA. kahIn-kahIn bAhar aTak gayA. tyAg kiyA, munipanA liyA parantu bAharamen mAnon mainne bahut kiyA, mainne tyAg kiyA, bahut kiyA. aisA mAn-mAnakar aTakA hai. antaramen jo svabhAv hai, usako grahaN nahIn kiyA hai. apanA svabhAv grahaN kare to ananta kAl lage hI nahIn.

ananta kAl laganekA kAraN kriyAommen, bAhar shubhabhAvommen sthit rahA. svabhAvako

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grahaN karanemen ananta kAl nahIn lagatA. ananta kAl rakhaDanemen lagA, lekin svabhAv pragaT karanemen ananta kAl nahIn lagatA. yadi svabhAvako grahaN kare to bahutonko antarmuhUrtamen ho jAtA hai aur bahutonko kAl lage to thoDe bhavamen bhI use mokSha, kevalagnAn hotA hai. aur samyagdarshan to yadi svayam puruShArtha kare to use ho sakatA hai. is kAlamen bhI ho sakatA hai.

mumukShu- Apane to chhoTI umramen prApta kar liyA. aur ApakI deshanA sune tabhI kuchh lagatA hai, bAkI to ham jaisonko kuchh mAlUm nahIn paDatA hai, sUjh nahIn paDatI ki kaise kis prakArase kaise bAt karanI, utanA gahan tattva lagatA hai.

samAdhAna- svabhAv AtmAkA gahan hI hai. anek jAtakI mahimAonse bharA huA, gahanatAse bharA huA svabhAv hai.

mumukShu- prasanna chittase is AtmAkI bAt sunI ho, use bhI mukti samIp hai.

samAdhAna- prasanna chittase AtmAkI vArtA sunI to bhAvi nirvAN bhAjanama. bhaviShyamen nirvANakA bhAjan banatA hai. koI apUrva rItase. gurudevane apUrva vANI barasAyI. use apUrva mahimA Aye ki yah vastu koI alag hI hai. main jis mArga par hUn, vah yah nahIn hai. koI antarakA mArga hai. use AtmAmense mahimA hI koI alag AtI hai. aisI prasanna chittase apUrva rItase sunA ho to bhAvi nirvAN bhAjanama. bhaviShyamen use chaitanyakI or puruShArtha uThanevAlA hI hai aur avashya bhAvi nirvAN-bhaviShyamen nirvANakA bhAjan hai. bahut bAr apaneAp (sunA ho), parantu koI apUrva rItase sunA nahIn hai. aise apUrva rItase, prasanna chittase sune to bhaviShyamen nirvANakA bhAjan hotA hai.

mumukShu- ... bAt to samyagdRuShTi puruSh Ap jaise kar sako. parantu aisA yog na ho to kyA karen?

samAdhAna- jisakI taiyArI ho use bAhar aise nimitta mil hI jAte hain. is pancham kAlamen..

mumukShu- ... ApakA nimitta mil gayA, hamako to aisA lagatA hai. andarase aisA lagatA hai ki ApakI deshanA... unakI aisI koI pAtratA ho gayI hai.

samAdhAna- mahAdurlabh thA, usamen gurudevakA is pancham kAlamen janma huA. kitane jIvonkI taiyArI (ho gayI). unakI vANI aisI apUrva thI. kitane hI jIvonko AtmAmen apUrvatA lagatI hai ki ye kuchh alag kahate haiain. chAhe jitanA baDA samudAy ho, koI samajhe na samajhe to bhI aise prasanna chittase sunate hon.

mumukShu- gurudevakI vANI..

samAdhAna- kuchh alag hI prakArase lalakArake kahate the. unakA pratAp hai. unake

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pratApase sunane (milA).

mumukShu- gurudev koI bAr aisA kahate the ki paryAy jitanA hI tU nahIn hai aur koI bAr aisA kahate the ki paryAyase tU bhinna hai.

samAdhAna- paryAy jitanA tU nahIn hai arthAt paryAy to kShaN-kShaNamen badal jAtI hai. tU shAshvat AtmA hai. paryAyase bhinna arthAt paryAyakA svabhAv bhinna aur terA svabhAv bhinna hai. vah kShaNik hai, tU trikAl hai. bhinnatAkA artha aisA lenA hai, sarvathA prakArase bhinna hai aisA artha nahIn hai. apekShAse bhinna hai. sarvathA prakArase sarva prakArase bhed ho to dravya paryAy binAkA ho jAy aur paryAy svayam dravya ban jAya. is tarah sarvathA prakArase bhinnakA artha nahIn thA. parantu tU koI apekShAse bhinna hai.

tU samajh ki terA svabhAv trikAl shAshvat rahanekA hai aur paryAy kShaNik hai. aise samajhanA. us apekShAse bhinna hai. sarvathA bhinna (ho to) dravya paryAy binAkA ho jAya. to dravya use kahate hain ki jis dravyake andar utpAd-vyay-dhrauvya sahit ho vah dravva kahanemen AtA hai. aur paryAy use kahate hain ki dravyake Ashrayase jo paryAy hotI ho vah paryAy hai. paryAy vaisI svatantra nahIn hai ki vah paryAy svayam binA dravyake pariNamatI ho. aise paryAy nahIn rahatI hai. parantu dononke svabhAv bhinna hain. us apekShAse use bhinna kahanemen AtA hai. isaliye bhinna kahA hai.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- hAn, paryAy jitanA nahIn hai. arthAt paryAy kShaNik hai aur tU trikAl hai.

mumukShu- mithyAtva chalA AtA ho, ek bAr to gnAnIkI deshanA niyamase jIvako prApta honI hI chAhiye.

samAdhAna- aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai. anAdikA jo mithyAtva hai, usamen ek bAr sachche guru athavA sachche dev use mile to upAdAn svayamkA, parantu vANIkA nimitta banatA hai. anAdi kAlakA anajAnA mArga hai. aisI deshanA ek bAr use mile, parantu vah mAtra deshanArUpase deshanA nahIn, parantu use antaramense grahaN ho jAya. vah deshanA to sabako lAbhakartA hI hotI hai. vah to prabal nimitta hotI hai. parantu svayam andarase grahaN kare tab deshanAlabdhi ho. anAdimen ek bAr to use deshanA mile phir use sanskAr Dale to apaneAp apane upAdAnase taiyAr ho jAy, parantu ek bAr to use aisA nimitta banatA hai.

mumukShu- heyabuddhikA artha kyA hai?

samAdhAna- shubhabhAv AdaraNIy nahIn hai, shubhabhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai. shubhabhAv

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AkulatArUp hai, vah heyabuddhi. merA svabhAv nahIn hai. shubhakA svabhAv bhinna aur merA svabhAv bhinna hai. main gnAyak Anandase bharA huA aur yah shubhabhAv hai vah to AkulatArUp hai. svabhAv viparIt hai. usakA svabhAvabhed hai. isaliye vah merese bhinna hai. vah mujhe AdaraNIyarUp hai, aisA nahIn hai. vah pravRuttirUp hai, merA svabhAv to nivRuttasvarUp hai. bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA. bhAvakI pariNati hai. shubhabhAvakA pariNaman merA svabhAv nahIn hai, vah to AkulatArUp hai.

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- vah koI kahanekI bAt hai? AtmA anupam hai, usakA Ananda anupam hai, usakA svabhAv anupam hai. ananta guNonse bharA AtmA hai. ananta guNakI jo nirmal paryAy pragaT ho, vah anupam hai usakA Ananda. vah koI vANI (dvArA kahA nahIn jAtA). use koI upamA lAgU nahIn paDatI. vah koI anupam hai. vikalpa TUTakar jo svAnubhUtikA Ananda (AtA hai) vah anupam hai. jagatamen koI upamA nahIn hai. kisake sAth milAn karanA?

mumukShu- bahinashrIko lipaTakar rahenge usakA bhI beDA pAr hai. tattva bhale kam samajhe.

samAdhAna- gurudevake charaN mile vah sab bhAgyashAlI hai. panchamakAlamen gurudevake charaN sabako lambe samay tak mile. ...

samAdhAna- ... pUrA mArga pravartatA hai. kundakunda AmnAy, jahAn dekho vahAn kundakunda AmnAya. gurudevane to kundakundAchAryake rahasya khole hain. shAstrake rahasya khole hain.

mumukShu- kundakunda bhagavAnakI kuchh bAt karIye to ham sune.

samAdhAna- kundakunda bhagavAnakI kyA bAt! upakAr kiyA is pancham kAlamen. AchArya, kundakundAchAryakI pahachAn gurudevane karavAyI. gurudevane shAstrake sab rahasya khole. kundakundAchAryane shAstramen sab bhar diyA. mahAvideh kShetramen bhagavAnake pAs jAkar AchAryadev sab lAye. shAstramen sab bhar diyA aur gurudevane sab rahasya khole hain. gurudevane to sab shAstrako sUlajhA diye. muktikA mArga batA diyA hai. kauI jAnatA nahIn thA, muktikA mArga kyA hai? "AtmA' shabda bolanA gurudevane sikhAyA.

AtmA jAnanevAlA hai, gnAyak hai, use pahichAno. AtmA sabase bhinna hai. yah sharIr, vibhAvasvabhAv apanA nahIn hai. usase AtmA bhinna hai. gnAn-darshanase AtmA paripUrNa hai. AchAryadev kahate hain na,

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shuddhatAse bharA main arUpI AtmA, ye pudagalakA jo rUp hai, varNa, gandha, ras, sparsha AtmAmen nahIn hai. AtmA usase atyanta bhinna hai, aise AtmAko pahichAnanA chAhiye. gnAn-darshanase bharA gnAyakatattva pUrNa, pUrA sampUrNa chaitanyatattva hai use pahichAnanA. usamen apUrNa dikhatI hai, vibhAvake kAraN apUrNatA dikhatI hai. bAkI paripUrNa pUrNa svabhAv AtmA hai. ek paramANuke sAth use sambandha nahIn hai. vah svayam svayammen hI ananta sampadAse bharA hai. sab ananta pratAp sampadA AtmAmen bharI hai. vah sampadA kaise pragaT ho, usakI ruchi rakhane jaisA hai. vah kaise pragaT ho? usakA abhyAs, usakI Adat, usakA vichAr, usakA vAnchan sab karanA, usakI mahimA. vibhAvase ruchi chhUTakar AtmAkI or ruchi jAye vah karanA hai. gurudevane vah batAyA hai. Atmatattva koI alaukik hai.

AchAyAne to pUrA mArga shAstramen bahut bhar diyA hai. AtmA koI alaukik anupam vastu hai. chaitanyaras,.. AchAryadev kahate hain, jaise kShArarasase bharI namakakI DalI kShArarase bharI hai, shakkarakI DalI shakkarake rasase bharI hai. aise AtmA pUrA chaitanyatAse, gnAyakatAse, AnandatAse bharA hai. use pahichAnanA. sabase nyArA chaitanyadev virAjatA hai. apanA dev apane pAs hai, use pahichAn le. dev-guru-shAstrako hRudayamen rakhakar aur ve jo kahate hain, unake sAnnidhyase, unakI mahimAse AtmAko lakShyamen rakhakar use pragaT karanA. usIkA abhyAs, usIkA chintavan Adi sab karane jaisA hai.

mumukShu- vichAr karane par andaramen Ap jo bhI kahate ho vah sab bAt barAbar satya hai. lekin andar jAne par gurudevake prati aur Apake prati bhakti uchhal jAtI hai, usakA kyA karanA? andar jA nahIn sakate. vahI bhakti A jAtI hai ki AhA..! ye vastu! ye mahimA Apane batAyI!

samAdhAna- jabatak andar jA nahIn sake tab tak bhAvanA Aye. shubhabhAvanA to antaramen AtI hai. parantu antaramen AtmAko pahichAnanekA dhyey rakhanA ki AtmA kaise pahichAnamen Aye? AtmAkI ruchi kaise pragaT ho? vah karane jaisA hai. shAstramen AtA hai, "tatprati prItichitten yen vArtApi hi shrutA'. vah vArtA bhI apUrva chittase sunatA hai to bhAvi nirvAN bhAjana. to bhaviShyamen nirvANakA bhAjan ho. parantu apUrva rItase sunatA hai to. parantu apUrvatA antaramense AnI chAhiye. AtmA apUrva hai, usakI ruchi jAgRut honI chAhiye. vah na ho tab tak dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA antaramen Aye binA nahIn rahatI. parantu antar AtmAko pahichAnanekA prayatnakA dhyey rakhanA chAhiye.