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mumukShu- Apane kahA hai na ki kahIn achchhA na lage to AtmAmen ruchi lagA.

samAdhAna- jisako kahIn achchhA nahI lagatA hai, vah AtmAmen ruchi karatA hai. jise achchhA lagatA hai, bAhar men jisako ruchatA hai use AtmAmen achchhA nahIn lagatA. jisakI bAhar- se ruchi uTh jAy, bAharase ruchi uTh jAy to AtmAmen ruchi lage aur jisako AtmAmen ruchi lage usako hI bAharase ruchi uTh jAtI hai. aur jisako kahIn achchhA na lage usako AtmAmen ruchi lage binA rahatI hI nahIn. AtmAmen ruchi lage use bAhar kahIn achchhA bhI nahIn lagatA.

mumukShu- aisA to lagatA hai ki kahIn achchhA nahIn lagatA.

samAdhAna- hAn, achchhA nahIn lagatA hai, lekin usakA upAy nahIn DhUnDhatA hai. ruchatA nahIn hai vah yathArtha nahIn hai. vAstavikarUp-se ruche nahi to usakA rAstA nikAle binA vah rahatA nahIn. usako sthUlarUp-se achchhA nahIn lagatA hai, vairAgya karatA hai, sab karatA hai ki sthUl rUp-se use kahIn achchhA nahIn lagatA. yah ThIk nahIn hai aisA sthUl rUp-se lagatA hai. andarase yadi ThIk na lage to ThIk vastu kyA hai usako grahaN kiye binA rahatA nahIn.

mumukShu- ...to usake puruShArthase usakI prApti hotI hai?

samAdhAna- to puruShArtha se svakI prApti hotI hai. puruShArtha kare to.

mumukShu- phir to gurudev ke sAth Ap gaNadhar honevAle hain, mAtAjI! to ham bhI gaNadharake sAth unake pIchhe to hogen yA nahIn hogen ?

samAdhAna- apanI khudakI taiyArI ho to rahatA hai. gurudevane jis mArgako grahaN kiyA us mArgako svayam grahaN kare aisI bhAvanAvAle ho to sAth hI rahate hain. vah svayam andar taiyArI kare to.

mumukShu- gurudevane jo mArga batAyA hai, vah mArga Ap batA rahe ho, gurudev anusAra. aur vah mArga parIkShak buddhise grahaN kiyA hai. vah chhUT na jAye...

samAdhAna- (puruShArtha) anusAr hotA hai. gurudev bhI kahate the ki dhIre-dhIre chale usamen koI bAdhA nahIn hai, parantu mArga tU barAbar grahaN karanA ki is rAste-se bhAvanagar jA sakate hain. to vah rAstA barAbar hai ki is mArgase AtmA taraph jA sakate hain. usake badale dUsarA UlTA rAstA pakaDe to nahIn jA sake. yah gnAn svabhAv AtmA hai usako grahaN karanase, usI mArgase svAnubhUti aur bhedagnAn hotA hai. vah rAstA barAbar pakaDanA. usamen dhIre-dhIre chalanA ho to usamen koI dikkat

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nahIn hai, lekin usakA dhyey barAbar rakhanA. ho sake to dhyAnamay pratikramaN karanA aur na ho sake to shraddhA to avashya karanA. AchAryadevane kahA hai. ho sake to tU darshan-gnAn-chAritrarup pariNaman karake kevalagnAnakI prApti karanA. dhyAnamay pratikramaNa. dhyAnamen aisI ugratA karanA ki svarupamen lIn hokar bAhar na Aye aisI ugratA karanA. lekin us prakArakA dhyAnamay pratikramaN na ho sake to shraddhA to barAbar karanA ki mArga to yahI hai. na ho sake to thak kar dUsare, tIsare kahIn thoDA karake mainne bahut kiyA, thoDe shubhabhAv karake mainne bahut kiyA aisA santoSh mat mAn lenA. santuShTa mat ho jAnA. (santuShya ho gayA to) tujhe Age jAnekA avakAsh nahIn rahegA. lekin tUn aisI bhAvanA rakhanA ki mArga to yahI hai. santoSh to andar AtmAmen-se santoSh Aye aur tRupti Aye vahI yathArtha hai. vah na ho tabatak usakI shraddhA barAbar rakhanA ki mArga to yahI hai. phir dhIre-dhIre chalenA ho yA jaldI chale usamen koI dikkat nahIn hai. lekin mArga to yathArtha grahaN karanA. AchAryadev aisA kahate hain, gurudev aisA kahate the.

mumukShu- tRupti huI, yah kaise mAlUm paDe?

samAdhAna- vah apane Apako jAn sakatA hai, apanI ruchi aur jignAsAse. gurudevane jo mArga batAyA hai, us mArgako andar gaharAI-se vichAr karake mArga yahI hai, aisA svayam nirNay karake vah jAn sakatA hai ki karanA yahI hai. is gnAnasvabhAvako hI grahaN karanA hai. dUsarA kuchh grahaN nahIn karanA hai. vah svayam apanI shraddhA aur pratItase apaneApako pahachAn sakatA hai, apanI pariNatiko.

itanA karate hain aur kuchh hotA nahIn, aise thakakar tU usase pIchhe mat haTanA, thakanA nahIn. tere utsAhako manda mat karanA. utsAh to aisA hI rakhanA ki sabakuchh AtmAmen hI hai, kahIn aur nahIn hai. main kar nahI sakatA hUn. utsAh to barAbar rakhanA. na ban pAye to dhIre chalanA ho, der lage usamen koI dikkat nahIn hai. lekin mArga dUsarA koI pakaD le ki thoDI kriyA karake dharma mAnA, shubhabhAv thoDA jyAdA huA to dharma ho gayA, aisA tU mat mAn lenA.

shuddhAtmA men hIn dharma hai. nirvikalpa svarup hI AtmA hai aur shuddhAtmAmen hI sab kuchh bharA hai, aisI shraddhA to barAbar rakhanA. bhedagnAn hI usakA upAy hai. AtmAke jo dravya-guN-paryAy yathArtha hai, us dravya par dRuShTi karanA aur gnAn sabakA karanA, andar pariNati karanI, vah shraddhA barAbar karanA. na ho sake to mere puruShArthakI mandatA hai aisI tU bhAvanA rakhanA. lekin thakakar dUsare taraph muDanA nahIn.

AtmAmen hI sabakuchh hai. samyagdarshan apUrva hai gurudevane batAyA. anantakAlamen sabakuchh prApta kiyA lekin ek samyagdarshan durlabh hai. jinavar svAmI anantakAlamen mile nahIn aur samyagdarshan prApta huA nahIn. jinavar svAmI anek bAr mile lekin svayamne pahachAn nahIn karI. samyagdarshan prApta karanekA sarvotkRuShTa nimitta jinavar svAmI hai. nimitta aur upAdAn donon liyA. andaramen samyagdarshan nahIn huA aur bAharamen usakA sarvotkRuShTa nimitta, use tUne barAbar pahachAnA nahIn hai. nimitta-

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upAdAnakA (sambandha). arthAt sachche dev-guru tujhe mile nahIn, aur mile to tUne nimittako nimittarup grahaN kiyA nahIn. isaliye tujhe mile nahIn hai aisA kahate hain, bahut bAr mile to bhI.

lekin yah samyagdarshan durlabh hai. upAdAn taiyAr kiyA ho to nimitta-upAdAn kA sambandha hue binA rahatA nahIn. isaliye samyagdarshan durlabh hai. aisI bhedagnAn kI pariNati pragaT karanI durlabh hai. dravyadRuShTi AtmAkI, bhedagnAn, usakI sAdhak dashA, AtmAko lakShyamen lenA, svAnubhUtikI prApti karanI vah sab durlabh hai. lekin vah na ho tabatak usakI bhAvanA, jignAsA karanA. jignAsA baDhAte rahanA. usake liye AkulatA karake, khed karake ulajhanA nahIn, parantu utsAh rakhanA. na ho sake to bhI utsAh rakhanA.

mumukShu- ho sake to...

samAdhAna- ban sake to dhyAnamay... yadi kar sake to tU... AchAryadev aur gurudev kahate the, gurudev aur sab upadesh to aisA hI dete the ki ho sake to samyagdarshanase lekar pUrNatA prApta karanA. kevalagnAn tak prApta karanA, tujhase ban pAye to. aur na ho sake to shraddhA karanA. na ho sake to. vah muni banate hain to munikA upadesh dete hain. muni na ho sake to samyagdarshan prApta karanA, aisA kahate hain. samyagdarshan durlabh ho aur na ban pAye to usakI shraddhA karanA. usakI mahimA karanA. apUrvatA lAnA.

mumukShu- ... vah kaise jAne? bAharakA aur andarakA kis tarah jAne?

samAdhAna- bAharakA jAnanA nahIn. andar svabhAv jAnanA... jAnanA.. jo svabhAv hai vaha. yah bAhar jAnA ye gney, yah jAnA, vah jAnA aisA nahIn. jAnanekA jo svabhAv hai vah jAnan tattva hai usako jAnanA. bAharakA jAnanA aisA nahIn. jAnanA-jAnanA. yah jaD padArtha kuchh jAnatA nahIn, andar jAnanevAlA koI bhinna hai. vah jAnanevAlA jo jAnatA rahatA hai, mUl tattva jo jAnatA hai vah jAnanevAlA tattva, jAnanevAlA jo padArtha hai vaha.

ab takakA, bhUtakAlakA athavA apane jIvanake jo bhI prasang bane vah sab to chale gaye, phir bhI jAnanevAlA to jyonkA tyon khaDA hai. vah jAnanevAlA tattva jo hai, vah jAnanevAlA tattva hai. jAnanA.. jAnanA.. jAnanevAlemen jAnanA hai. vah sabakuchh jAnatA hai. jAnanevAlekI maryAdA nahIn ho aisA sabakuchh jAne aisA jAnanekA svabhAv vah jAne.

mumukShu- arthAt apanA gnAnasvabhAv andar?

samAdhAna- hAn. gnAnasvabhAva.

mumukShu- jAnanese usakA gnAnasvabhAv jAnanemen A jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- hAn. apanA gnAnasvabhAv hai. khudakA svabhAv hai jAnanA.

mumukShu- yah to kaThin hai, aisA lagatA hai. gnAnasvabhAv arthAt kis tarah gnAnasvabhAv kahate hain? jAnanA matalab jAnanevAlI sab chIjen to gnAt ho jAtI hai. jAnanA to bAharakA sab

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jAnanemen AtA hai. jAnanemen bAharakA hI jAnatA hai. bAkI jo andar rahA vah kyA rahA?

samAdhAna- andar tattva hI jAnanevAlA hai, tattva hI jAnanevAlA hai. bAharakA vah sab nahIn jAnatA hai. vah to usakA kShayopashamabhAv, jitanI usakI shakti hai utanA hI jAnatA hai. sab nahIn jAnatA hai. jAnanevAlA sab kahAn jAnatA hai? usakI jAnanekI to ananta shakti hai. lekin sab jAnatA nahIn. vah to alpa jAnatA hai. vah to indriyonkA Ashray lekar, manakA Ashray lekar alpa jAnatA hai. jAnatA hai vah sthUl jAnatA hai. vah kahIn sUkShma nahIn jAnatA.

jAnatA hai vah kram-kramase jAnatA hai. ekasAth kuchh nahIn jAnatA. jAnanevAlekA jo mUl svabhAv hai, vah mUl svabhAvarup kuchh nahIn jAnatA. jAnatA hai vah mAtra sthUl jAnatA hai. lekin vah jAnanevAlA tattva hai us jAnanevAlene sab nahIn jAnA. jAnanevAlA jo tattva hai usako usane nahIn jAnA. jAnanevAlA sab jAnatA hai. vah jAnanevAlA anant jAnatA hai aisA usakA svabhAv hai.

jo jAnanevAlA svayamko jAnatA hai, jo jAnanevAlA parako jAnatA hai, aisA usakA sab jAnanekA (svabhAv hai). sabase dUr rahakar, usake kShetramen gaye binA svayam apane kShetramen rahakar, chAhe jitanA usase dUr ho, lAkh-karoD gAmv dUr ho, to bhI dUr rahakar sab jAne aisA usakA svabhAv hai. aisA vah jAnanevAlA tattva hai. jise AnkhakI jarurat paDatI nahIn, jise manakI jarurat nahIn paDatI, jise kAnakI jarUrat nahIn paDatI, koI padArthakI jise jarurat nahIn paDatI ki Ankhase dekhe, kAnase sune, isaliye vah jAne athavA manase vichAr kare to jAne, aise koI AshrayakI jisako jarurat nahIn hai, lekin vah svayam hajAron gAmv dUr ho to bhI usako jAn sake. aisA jAnanevAlA tattva andar hai ki vah svayam jAne, apane gnAn svabhAvase jAne. aur vah dUsareko jAne itanA hI nahIn, vah svayam apaneko jAne. apane anante guNako jAne, khudakI anantI paryAyako jAne. anantakAlamen kaisI paryAy huyI aur kis tarah dravya pariNaman karake bhaviShyamen kaise pariNaman karegA, vah sab jAne. aisA jAnanevAlA tattva hai. jAnanA arthAt aisA jAnanekA jisakA svabhAv hai, vah jAnanevAlA tattva hai.

mumukShu- jo mUl tattvako jAnanevAlA hai.

samAdhAna- vah mUl tattvako jAnanevAlA tattva hai.

mumukShu- gnAnasvabhAva.

samAdhAna- gnAnasvabhAva. vah gnAn svabhAv hai. ye to usako lakShaNakI pahachAn hotI hai ki itanA jo jAnatA hai, jo parake Ashrayase jAnatA hai vah jAnanevAlA aisA tattva hai ki svayam jAne. Ankhase jAne, kAnane sune yA manase vichAr kare aisA jo jAnatA hai, vah jAnanevAlA tattva aisA hai ki svayam jAne. kisIke Ashray binA jAne. kisIke Ashrayase jAne vah usakA svata svabhAv nahIn hai. usakA svata svabhAv to aisA ho ki jo apanese jAne. jise kisIke AshrayakI jarurat na paDe vaise jAne. aisA usakA gnAnasvabhAv hai. apane-se jAne. jo gnAnarup apane-se pariName. jo Anandarup apane-se pariName. jise kisIke AshrayakI jarurat na paDe. aisA usakA svabhAv hai. aisI

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anantI shaktiyAn usamen bharI hai. sab shaktiyonko vah gnAnase jAne aisA gnAnasvabhAv hai.

mumukShu- apane gnAnasvabhAvamen jo AtmAkA Anand hai, us AnandakA use kaise patA chale?

samAdhAna- vah Anand to usako vedanamen Aye tab mAlUm paDe. vedanase. svayam apanI taraph upayog karake usakI pratIt karake usamen lIn hove to usako vah Anand vedanamen AtA hai vah mAlUm paDatA hai.

mumukShu- lIn honekA koI prayog?

samAdhAna- lIn honekA prayog to pahale sachchA gnAn ho bAdamen sachchI lInatA hotI hai. sachchA gnAn... usake mUl prayojanabhUt tattvako to jAnanA chAhiye ki main yah tattva padArtha jAnanevAlA tattva hUn. dUsarA kuchh main nahIn hUn. parapadArtharup main anant kAlamen huA nahIn. anantakAl usake sAth rahA. anantakAl usake nimittommen basA hUn, lekin main par padArtharup huA nahIn. main chaitanyatattva bhinna hUn.

ye vibhAvasvabhAv, anantakAl vibhAv pariNatise pariNamA phir bhI main vibhAvarup huA nahIn. usakA mUl svabhAv jAne, usake dravya-guN-paryAyako jAne, usakA bhedagnAn kare, yathArtha gnAn kare to usakI lInatA hotI hai. apane svabhAvako grahaN kare to usamen lInatA ho na? svabhAvako grahaN kiye binA khaDA kahAn rahegA? usakI lInatAkA jor kahAn degA? lIn kahAn hogA? bahut lInatA karane jAyegA to vikalpamen lIn hogA. main chaitanya hUn... chaitanya hUn... chaitanya hUn... aise vikalpa karegA. lekin vikalpakI lInatA vah lInatA nahIn hai. svabhAvako grahaN kare aur lInatA ho to sachchI lInatA hai.

mumukShu- hajAron gAmv dUr apane gurudev, mAtAjI Apako to khyAl hai ki gurudev to dUr vaimAnik devamen hain. phir bhI hamen vikalpa dvArA aisA lagatA hai ki yahAn gurudev padhAren, hamen darshan diye aur ham kRutakRut ho gaye. apaneke to Anand ho. gurudevashrI padhArakar darshan de to apaneko andarase Anand ho. lekin vah svapna yAnI ek svapna hI hai yA apanA andarakA bhAv hai? vah kyA hai?

samAdhAna- svapnake bahut prakAr hote hain. koI svapna yathAtathya hotA hai, koI svapna apanI bhAvanAke kAraN, apanI shubh bhAvanA ho to svapna Aye. koI svapna yathArtha phal de. svapna yathArtha ho to. svapnake bahut prakAr hote hain. kuchh apaneko bhAs hotA hai, koI bhAs apanI manakI bhAvanAke kAraN hotA hai, kaI bAr yathArtha hotA hai. vah khud nakkI kar sake ki yah yathArtha hai ki apanI bhAvanAke kAraN jo raTan karatA hai, vah raTanakA svapna hai yA yathArtha hai, vah khudako nakkI karanA hai. svapna ke kaI prakAr hote hain.

mumukShu- raTan kiyA ho, vah rAtamen A jAya.

samAdhAna- jo raTan kiyA ho vahI svapna rAtamen Aye. isaliye vah raTanake kAraN AtA hai. koI bAr yathAtathya bhI Aye. jo phalavAn svapna ho. mAtAko svapna Aye, bhagavAn padhArane

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vAle hon, vah svapna aisA hotA hai ki jisakA phal... bhagavAn padhAranevAle hain to svapna AtA hai. vah svapna yathArtha hote hai. aise koI svapna yathArtha bhI hote hain. aur koI svapna apane raTanakA svapna hotA hai.

mumukShu- jo raTan kare usakA svapna Aye.

samAdhAna- vah svapna Aye. kisI ko .. lekar svapna Aye, kisIko kuchh svapna Aye. svapnake kaI prakAr hain. vah svayam jAn sake ki yah svapna kis prakArakA hai.

mumukShu- gurudevashrI.. us din mainne jaldImen pUchhA thA. gurudevashrI virAjamAn hue, Ap pIchhe virAjate hain, aisA main dekhatI hUn aur gurudevashrI padhArakar aisA kahate hain ki ham yahAn ArAm karenge. yahAn AhAr lenge. sabako yahAn AtA hai. to yah kis prakArakA svapna kahA jAye? Ap yahAn virAjamAn ho, aur vahAn mujhe do bAr...

samAdhAna- (khud hI) samaj sake.

mumukShu- ab sachchA gnAn hai to apaneko aisA lage ki jo prApta karate hain, vah sab sachchA hai. ab usakA bharosA to guru hI karavAye na? yA sahI-galat kA nirNay khud kare?

samAdhAna- guru bharosA karavAye aur svayam bhI bharosA kar sake ki yah yathArtha hai.