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samAdhAna- svabhAvako sImA nahIn hotI, svabhAv to ananta hotA hai, vibhAvako sImA hotI hai. vibhAv ananta nahIn hai. svabhAv ananta.. ananta.. ananta svabhAv (hai). svabhAv pariNati pragaT ho to ananta kAl paryant pariNaman chalatA hai. ananta kAl paryanta. svabhAvamen anantatA bharI hai. vibhAvamen anantA nahIn hai. apanA svabhAv nahIn hai to kahAn- se anantatA Ave? sImAvAlA hai. vibhAvakI maryAdA ho jAtI hai. adhyavasAn asankhyAt hote hain, usamen anantatA nahIn hotI. svabhAv ananta hotA hai.

paryAy apekShAse dravyamen hAni-vRuddhi hai, dravya apekShAse nahIn hai. paryAy apekShAse aisA kahate hain ki kevalagnAn pragaT huA, lokAlokakA gnAn pragaT huA, kevalagnAn shaktirUp ho gayA, aisA sab paryAy apekShAse (kahanemen AtA hai). kevalagnAn pragaT nahIn hai, kevalagnAn shaktimen hai, aisA sab kahanemen AtA hai. dravya apekShAse vastu jaisI hai vaisI hai. usamen vAstavikarUpase kuchh kam nahIn huA hai, kuchh baDhA bhI nahIn hai. parantu paryAyakI apekShAse- pariNatikI apekShAse aisA kahA jAy ki usamen kevalagnAnakI paryAy pragaT huI, kevalagnAnakA vikAs huA. nigodamen jAye tab thoDA kShayopasham rahatA hai, aisA kahA jAya. vah sab paryAy apekShAse kahanemen AtA hai. dravya apekShAse hAni-vRuddhi nahIn hotI, parantu paryAy apekShAse hai. paryAy apekShAse pariNati shuddha ho to usamen agurulaghu paryAyakI tAratamyatA hAni-vRuddhi (hotI hai). aisA vastukA svabhAv to rahatA hai. anantaguN vRuddhi aur anantaguN hAni. us prakArase dravya svata pariNamatA hai. aisA dravyakA svabhAv hai. paryAyamen vaisA hotA hai. vah paryAy dravyakI hI hai. dravyakI paryAyamen bhI aisI tAratamyatArUp dravya pariNamatA hai. paryAyakI orase, pariNatikI orase dekhen to usamen hAni-vRuddhi us prakArase lAgU hotI hai. parantu dravya apekShAse lAgU nahIn paDatI.

jo agurulaghu hai usakI vAstavik hAni-vRuddhi nahIn hotI ki kevalagnAn huA to gnAn baDh gayA aur gnAn kam ho gayA, aisA nahIn hai. usakI paryAyamen tAratamyatArUp pariNamatA hai. ye to gnAn shaktimen kevalagnAn ho gayA, phir kevalagnAn pragaT hotA hai. vah to usake vikAsakI apekShAse hai. svabhAvakA Ashray le, dravyakA Ashray le to

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dravyakI orakI jo shuddha paryAyen pragaT hotI hai. isaliye paryAy binAkA dravya nahIn hai. dravyamen paryAy hai, paryAyen hotI hai, pariNati hotI hai. aur paryAyakI apekShAse hAni- vRuddhi lAgU paDatI hai. paryAy apekShAse. dravya apekShAse lAgU nahIn paDatI. paryAy apekShAse sAdhanAkI paryAy pragaT huyI. samyagdarshan, chhaThThA-sAtavAn guNasthAn, Age baDhA, paryAyamen shuddhi baDhatI gayI, shreNI lagAyI, sab paryAy apekShAse kahA jAtA hai. kevalagnAn pragaT huA, sab paryAy apekShAse hai. aur vah paryAy dravyakI hI hai. isaliye dravya aur paryAyako abhed karake kahen to dravya shuddharUp pariNamit huA, dravyamen kevalagnAn huA, dravya apekShAse aisA kahA jAye. dravya aur paryAy, dononko abhed karake kahen to.

aur paryAy aur dravya, aise bhed karake kaho to dravyamen kuchh nahIn hai, dravya to anAdiananta jaisA hai vaisA hI shuddha hai. bAkI paryAyamen sab (pheraphAr hotA hai). aur paryAy kahIn paDI hai aur dravya kahIn paDA hai, dravya kuchh alag hI vedan karatA hai aur paryAyamen kuchh aur hI vedan hai, aise do bhAg nahIn hai. vah sab vedan svayamko hI hotA hai. (paryAyakA) vedan koI aur kare aur (dravyakA) vedan koI aur kare, aisA nahIn hai. jo paryAyamen hotA hai usakA use gnAn hotA hai ki yah paryAyakA vedan hai, yah dravya hai, yah paryAy hai, gnAnamen sab khyAlamen hotA hai. kyonki dravya aur paryAy sab abhed hai. vaise do TUkaDe nahIn hai ki bilakUl do dravya ho, aise do TUkaDe nahIn hai. bhed apekShA hai (usamen) dravyakA svarUp aur paryAyakA svarUp ek kShaN mAtra hai aur vah anAdiananta hai, shAshvat hai. is apekShAse usakA svarUpabhed hai, parantu vastubhed nahIn hai.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! AtmAnubhUtike pahale pramAN, nay, nipekShase AtmAkA kaisA nirNay karanA?

samAdhAna- jAnanA chAhiye. AtmAkA dravya apekShAse kyA svarUp hai, paryAy apekShAse kyA svarUp hai. pramAN apekShAse dravya aur paryAy dononkA svarUp samajhe. dravyadRuShTiko mukhya rakhe. dRuShTimen mukhya dravya hotA hai, paryAy gauN hotI hai. nay aur pramANase aisA vichAr kare.

mumukShu- aur nikShepase?

samAdhAna- khAs to mukhya nay aur pramAN hotA hai. nikShep to bIchamen AtA hai koI AkShep karaneko. yah vastu hai, bhagavAnakI pratimA hai to bhagavAn hai, nikShep aise hotA hai. koI bhaviShyamen kevalagnAnI honevAlA hai to use vartamAnamen kevalagnAnI hai, aisA kahanA vah nikShep hai. Age honevAle hain, bhUtakAlamen ho gaye hain, use vartamAnamen kahanA-AkShep karanA vah nikShepamen hotA hai. aisA nayamen bhI hotA hai, nikShepamen bhI hotA

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hai. sthApanA karatA hai. sthApanA nikShep, dravya nikShep, bhAv nikShepa. AkShep karatA hai, bhUtakA, vartamAn, bhaviShyakA. sAdhanAmen nay aur pramAN donon sAthamen rahate hain. nikShep to bIchamen AtA hai.

mumukShu- dravya-guN-paryAyase vichAramen AtmAkA nirNay karanA aur pramAN-nayase nirNay karanA ek hI bAt hai yA donommen kuchh antar hai?

samAdhAna- donon ek hai. ekamen A jAtA hai. dravya-guN-paryAy vAstavik samajhamen Aye to usamen nay aur pramAN A jAtA hai. dravyakA svarUp samajhe, paryAyakA samajhe, dravya mukhya, paryAy gauN, ashuddha kis apekShAse hai, shuddha kis apekShAse hai yah sab samajhe. apekShAkI bAt samajhanI chAhiye. dravya-guN-paryAy kaise hain, usamen kaun-sI apekShA lAgU paDatI hai. usamen jo apekShAkI bAt AtI hai usamen nay aur pramAN A jAte hain. dravya-guN-paryAyakA svarUp samajhe to guN kis apekShAse hai aur paryAy kis apekShAse hai, dravya kis apekShAse hai, usamen apekShA samajhe to usamen nay aur pramAN donon A jAte hain. dravya-guN-paryAy samajhe usamen sAthamen apekShA samajhe to nay aur pramAN sAthamen A jAte hain. paryAyako samajhe usamen sAthamen apekShA samajhanI chAhiye, to usamen nay aur pramAN A jAte hain.

mukhya kare, gauN kare, dravya-guN-paryAyakA svarUp samajhe. usamen mukhya kaun, gauN kaun, usakA kyA svarUp, vah sab samajhanA chAhiye. nay aur pramANase samajhanA chAhiye. guNakA yah svarUp, paryAyakA yah svarUp, dravyakA yah svarUp, usamen apekShAse samajhe usameen nay-pramAN AtA hai.

mumukShu- dravyatvabhAv shaktirUp hai aur shaktike sAmane dRuShTi rakhanese athavA dRuShTimen shakti par vajan denese paryAyamen shuddhatA hotI hai. to shaktimense to koI... shakti to utanI kI utanI sampUrNa hI rahatI hai. to sirpha dRuShTi denese hI shuddhatA A jAtI hai?

samAdhAna- shakti to utanI kI utanI rahatI hai, vah sab dravya apekShAse kahanemen AtA hai. lekin pragaT hotI hai, vah paryAy apekShAse pragaT bhI hotI hai. shakti jaisI hai vaisI, utanI kI utanI rahatI hai. usamen kuchh baDhatA nahIn, usamen kuchh ghaTatA nahIn, vah sab dravya apekShAse hai. parantu paryAy apekShAse esA kahanemen Aye ki dravyake Ashrayase shuddha paryAy pragaT huI, dravyamense paryAy pragaT huI, samyagdarshan pragaT huA, chhaThThA-sAtavAn guNasthAn pragaT huA, vah sab kahanemen Aye vah sab paryAy apekShAse pragaT bhI hotA hai. shakti apekShAse dravya jaisA hai vaisA hai. parantu pragaT bhI hotA hai, aisI ek apekShA paryAyakI hai. kuchh pragaT hI nahIn hotA aisA nahIn hai. kevalagnAn pragaT huA, vItarAgadashA pragaT huI, chAritra pragaT huA, chAritra shakti men anAdiananta vaisAkA vaisA, jaisA hai

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vaisA hai, vah dravya apekShAse kahanemen AtA hai. parantu chAritramen mithyAchAritra ho gayA, dRuShTi bAhar gayI hai, svarUpAcharaN chAritra pragaT huA, vah sab paryAy apekShAse pragaT hotA hai. isaprakAr kuchh pragaT nahIn hotA hai, dravyamense kuchh pragaT hI nahIn hotA hai, aisA nahIn hai. paryAy apekShAse pragaT hotA hai, dravya apekShAse jaisA hai vaisA hai.

mumukShu- aisA hI dravyakA adabhut sAmarthya hai.

samAdhAna- vah adabhut sAmarthya hai.

mumukShu- dravyatva vaisAkA vaisA rakhakar, paryAyamen..

samAdhAna- hAn. dravya-guNamen vaisAkA vaisA rakhakar, paryAyamen hAni-vRuddhi (ho), paryAy pragaT ho, paryAy vibhAvarUp huyI, paryAy svabhAvarUp huyI, vahI paryAy visheSh pragaT huyI, vah sab hotA hai.

mumukShu- use bhI dravyakA sAmarthya kahanemen AtA hai?

samAdhAna- vah dravyakA sAmarthya hai.

mumukShu- dravyakI hI adabhutatA hai.

samAdhAna- dravyakI adabhutatA hai. ek apekShAse dravyamense kuchh pragaT nahIn hotA. paryAyamense paryAy (pragaT hotI hai), aisA kahanemen AtA hai. parantu dravyamense paryAy pragaT huyI, dravyamense pragaT hotI hai, aisA bhI ek apekShAse hai.

jAnanevAlA gnAn dravyamense pragaT huA, koI nirAdhAr pragaT nahIn huA hai. lokAlokako jAnanevAlA jo gnAn thA, vItarAgadashA, nirmalatA dravyamen pragaT huyI. dravyamen yAnI vItarAgI pariNati dravyakI pragaT huyI, dravyamen kevalagnAn pragaT huA. gnAn lokAlokakI nirmalatArUp dravya pariNamit huA, aisA hai.

mumukShu- ... shakti bhI rakhatA hai aur pUrNatA bhI dravya hI pragaT karatA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, dravya hI pUrNatA pragaT karatA hai aur dravyakI shaktimen kuchh hAni- vRuddhi nahIn hotI. pUrNa Ananda huA. use sab pragaT ho gayA, phir dUsare samayamen kyA pariNaman AyegA? aisA nahIn hai. utanA pragaT ho gayA hai phir bhI ananta-ananta hai. dUsare samaye utanA kA utanA pragaT hotA hai. itanA sab dravyamen bharA thA, vah sab pUrNa sAmarthya, pUrNa vItarAgadashA aur pUrNa kevalagnAn ek samayamen sabamen pahunch jAye, tIn kAl tIn lok sabamen ek samayamen pahunch gayA, vah to pUrNa pragaT ho gayA, ab dravyako kyA karanA bAkI rahA? dUsare samayamen vaisA hI ananta (pragaT hotA hai). dUsare samay usakI pariNati vaisI hI khaDI rahatI hai. ananta kAl paryant pariName to bhI dravyamense kuchh kam nahIn hotA. utanA pragaT ho gayA to bhI.

mumukShu- akShay ghaDA hai.

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samAdhAna- akShay ghaDA hai. utanAkA utanA hai. jitanA pragaT huA, vikasit huA to bhI utanA hI hai. shaktimen thA to bhI utanA hI thA. shaktimen thA utanA vedanamen nahIn AtA thA, ab vedanamen pUrNa ho gayA to bhI dUsare samay utanAkA utanA hai. dravyakA aisA hI koI achintya sAmarthya hai.

dravyakI apekShA, paryAyakI apekShA, in dononkI sandhi karake samajhanA, vah dravyakA svarUp koI adabhut hai. mAtra dravya apekShAko alag kare aur paryAyamen kuchh nahIn hai, paryAy nirAdhAr rah gayI, aisA nahIn hai. dravyakA sAmarthya aisA hai. paryAyakA svarUp hai vah dravyakA hI svarUp hai. paryAy koI achintyasvarUp hai. anAdiananta rahe aur vartamAn pariNati kare. anAdiananta dravya pariNamatA nahIn koI apekShAse kahanemen Aye, phir koI apekShAse (aisA kahe ki) dravya pariNamatA hai. dravyamen to koI hAni-vRuddhi hotI hI nahIn. dravya to vaisAkA vaisA kUTastha kahanemen AtA hai. puna dravya pAriNAmik hai. vah kaisI virodhI bAt hai. kUTastha hai aur pAriNAmik hai. pAriNAmik hai to pariNamatA rahatA hai. aisA kahanemen AtA hai ki paryAy pariNamatI hai. lekin paryAy kahAn pariNamatI hai? dravyamen pariNamatI hai ki paryAy bAhar pariNamatI hai? paryAy koI alag dravyakI bhAnti nahIn pariNamatI. dravya svayam, pAriNAmikabhAvase dravya svayam pariNamatA hai. aisA dravyakA adabhut svarUp hai.

mumukShu- dononkI sandhipUrvak pUrI bAt vichAranI chAhiye.

samAdhAna- sandhipUrvak dononko samajhanA chAhiye. .. Ananda A gayA, ab dUsare samayamen dUsarA Ananda kahAn-se AyegA? ek samayamen guN pUrA ho gayA. ab khatma ho gayA, ab dUsarA kahAn-se AyegA? yah koI aisA dhan nahIn hai. dhan gharamen ikaTThA huA, pUrA dhan kharcha kar diyA, ab kyA? aisA nahIn hai. pUrA kahanemen AtA hai, phir bhI vah to vaise hI dravyamense Ate hI rahatA hai. usamen khatma hotA hI nahIn. ab dravyakI shakti kam ho gayI, ab dravyamen kuchh nahIn hai, aisA mAne to bhI galat hai. dravyamen ananta shakti hai. shakti hai, nigodamen jAye to bhI utanI kI utanI shakti hai, pUrNa sAmarthya hai aur pragaT ho to bhI (utanA hI hai).

pragaT honevAlA bhI svayam hai. shakti nahIn hai aisA lage to aisA nahIn hai. pragaT ho to bhI vaisA kA vaisA hai.

mumukShu- ... dravyakI hai.

samAdhAna- donon dravyakI hai. kShaNikarUp pariNamit honevAlA dravya bhI dravyakA svarUp hai. lekin usakA svarUp samajhanA ki dravyamen ek bhAg aisA hai ki kShaN- kShaNamen pariNati hotI hai. dUsarI-dUsarI paryAy AtI hai. aur usakA ek bhAg anAdiananta

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vaisAkA vaisA rahatA hai. dravya anAdiananta aur paryAyamen (aisA hai), dononko samajhanA. usake do bhAg kar de (aisA nahIn honA chAhiye).

mumukShu- shabdamen to aisA Aye ki ek bhAg, phir bhI...

samAdhAna- nahIn, do bhAg nahIn hai. dravyake do bhAg hai, vaise do bhAg nahIn hai. apekShAse bhAg hai. ... sankhyA Adise bhed hai. usakA svarUp bhinna-bhinna hai. svarUpabhedase bhed hai, vastubhedase bhed nahIn hai.

mumukShu-.... aur bhagavAn gharamen virAjamAn kiye hain...

samAdhAna- gurudevakI vANI sharaN hai. gurudevane sabako bahut upadesh diyA hai. karanA vahI hai. dikhAI detA hai ki sansAr aisA hai. aisA samay Aye tab kisIke sAth koI sambandha nahIn hai. jab AyuShya pUrNa hotA hai tab ... koI use rok nahIn sakatA. sansAr aisA hI hai. yah sharIr aur AtmA bhinna hai, pratyakSha dikhatA hai. AtmA svayam chalA jAtA hai. koI rokI nahIn sakatA. isaliye andar jo sanskAr hote hain vahI sAth Ate hain.

aise janma-maraN ananta hue, usamen svayam akelA janmatA hai, akelA mare, akelA hI bhAvanA kare, svayam akelA svargamen, akelA mokShamen, har jagah akelA hI jAtA hai. sansArake sab sambandha aise hI hai, sab kShaNik hai. ananta janma-maraN karate-karate gurudev mile aur yah mArga darshAyA, vah ek AshrayabhUt hai. sharaN to vahI hai. jIvane kitane janma-maraN kiye hai. usamen yah manuShyabhav milA. ananta janma-maraN, ananta janma- maraN jIvane kiye.

is lokamen jitane pudagal dravya hain, use jIvane sharIr par dhAraN karake, grahaN karake chhoDe hain. AkAshake ek-ek pradeshamen janma-maraN kiyA hai. asankhyAt adhyavasAy kiye hain. ananta kAl rakhaDA hai. ananta bAr devamen gayA, ananta bAr narkamen gayA, ananta tiryanchake bhav kiye, ananta bhav manuShyake kiye. usamen jis bhavamen yah dharma ho aur AtmAkA sharaN (prApta ho), gnAyakakA sharaN aur dev-guru-shAstrakA sharaN vah sachchA hai. jagatamen jIvako sab prApta huA hai, ek AtmA nahIn prApta huA. gurudev kahate the, ek samyagdarshan apUrva hai, vah prApta nahIn huA hai. bhagavAn nahIn mile hain. bhagavAn mile to svayamne pahachAnA nahIn. isaliye vahI grahaN karane jaisA hai. vah kaise prApta ho, vahI karane jaisA hai. devalokake devonkA sAgaropamakA AyuShya hotA hai to vah AyuShya bhI pUrNa ho jAte hain. use aisA lagatA hai ki mAno yah to amar hai. devalokako amarApurI kahate hain, to bhI ve amar nahIn rahate. sAgaropamake AyuShya pUre ho jAte hain. phir usakA mAlA murajhAtI hai to use mAlUm paDatA hai ki AyuShya pUrA ho rahA hai.

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devalokake AyuShya pUre ho jAte hain to phir yah manuShyakA AyuShya to kitanA hai. ekadam thoDA hai. us thoDemen AtmAkA kar lene jaisA hai.

gurudev kahate the na ki bijalIkI chamakamen motI pIro le. ek bijalIkI chamakakI bhAnti manuShyakA bhav hai. usamen AtmAko grahaN kar lene jaisA hai. tIrthankaro, chakravartIo Adi sab is sansArakA aisA svarUpako dekhakar kShaNamAtramen vairAgyako prApta hokar muni hokar chale jAte the. is sansArakA svarUp aisA hai. muni hokar jangalamen AtmAkA dhyAn karake kevalagnAn prApta karate hain. osakA pAnIkA bindu kShaNamAtramen UD jAtA hai. tIrthankar bhagavAn jaise bAdalake bikharatA huA dekhakar, pAnIkA bindu aur osakA bindu dekhakar vairAgyako prApta hokar jangalamen chale jAte the, AtmAkA dhyAn karate the.

vairAgya karake AtmAkA svarUp aur yah AtmA kaise pahachAnanemen Aye yah bhAvanA baDhAne jaisI hai. shubhamen dev-guru-shAstra, jinendradev, gurudev aur shAstra, unakI mahimA, shAstrakA chintavan, shAstra svAdhyAy aur AtmAkI ruchi-AtmA gnAyak kaise pahachAnamen Aye, bhedagnAn kaise ho. yah sharIr bhinna hai. AtmA to shAshvat hai, AtmAkA nAsh nahIn hotA. yah sab sharIrake pheraphAr hai. AtmA to jahAn jAye vahAn shAshvat hai. AtmA kaise grahaN ho? AtmA gnAyakadev mahimAvant hai. vahI karane jaisA hai. (merA-merA) karatA hai, lekin merA kuchh nahIn hai. sab paradravya svatantra dravya hai. svayam andar taiyArI karake sanskAr DAle ho vahI apanA hai.

mumukShu- jis prakAr jIv nikal gayA, mainne to pahalI bAr aise nikalate hue dekhA, to aisA lagA ki yah sab moh, mAyA, bandhan sabakuchh yahAn chhoDakar kShaNamen nikal jAtA hai. mainne pratyakSha pahalI bAr dekhA. aisA lagatA hai ki yah jIv sAthamen kyA lekar jAyegA? moh, mAyA, bandhan jo merA-merA karatA thA, vah to ek kShaNamAn chhUT jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- vah to ek kShaNamen sab chhoDakar jAtA hai.

mumukShu- sAthamen kyA jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- sAthamen andar jo svayamne achchhI bhAvanA kI ho vah jAtI hai. AtmAkA svarUp... lekin AtmAko to pahachAnA nahIn, parantu andar jo shubhabhAvanA svayamne kI ho vah sAthamen jAtI hai. dUsarA kuchh sAthamen nahIn jAtA hai. shubhAshubh bhAv jo jIvanamen kiyA vah sab usake sAth hai, dUsarA kuchh nahIn hai.

mumukShu- aisA kaisA ham puruShArtha karen ki jisase hamen bhaviShyamen gurudev evan Apake sAnnidhyakA yog prApta ho?

samAdhAna- svayam antaramense ek AtmA hI sarvasva hai, bAkI sabakuchh... anya

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padArthamen ras kam ho jAye, yah sab nisAr hai, koI sArabhUt vastu nahIn hai. usakI ekatvabuddhi andar toDanekA prayatna kare ki main to AtmA shAshvat hUn, yah paradravya kuchh bhI merA nahIn hai. paradravya pratikA moh toD de ki yah paradravya merA nahIn hai. vyarthamen merA-merA karatA hai. yah sharIr bhI apanA nahIn hai to bAharakA ghar, kuTumba koI apanA nahIn hai. koI vastu, koI paisA yA koI vastu apanI nahIn hai. sabakuchh yahAn paDA rahatA hai. sab sambhAlakar rakhatA ho, sab (chhoDakar) ek kShaNamen svayam chalA jAtA hai.

un sab parase mamatA chhoDakar aur ek chaitanyakI ruchi aur chaitanyakI mahimA baDhAye aur dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA (baDhAye). bAkI sab nisAr hai, sab parase moh TUT jAye, moh chhoDakar ek AtmAkI orakI mahimA kare to AtmAmen jo sanskAr DAle hain vah sAthamen Ate hain. aur usake sAth jo shubhabhAvanA hotI hai, usase jo puNya bandhatA hai usase achchhA yog mile, gurudev mile, jinendradev mile, vah sab shubhabhAvanAse jo puNya bandhatA hai, usase vah prApta hotA hai.