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samAdhAna- ... to hai nahIn. dravyasvarUpase dekhe to meremen yah nahIn hai, main to gnAyak shuddhAtmA hUn. yah jo vibhAvik vastu to sab Uparase AyI huI, Upar-UparakI hai, mUl antaramen nahIn hai. isaliye mere mUlamen nahIn hai. vah AyI hai, ab vah Tale kaise? isaliye use TAlanekA prayatna aur apanA shuddha svarUp pragaT karanekA usakA prayatna chalatA hai.

mumukShu- is prayojanase vah is prakArase vichAr karatA hai? gnAnamen aisA jAnaneke bAvajUd, ruchimen main gnAyak hUn, is prayojanapUrvak?

samAdhAna- hAn. mere svabhAvamen to nahIn hai. use ruchi to aisI hai. ruchi, pratItamen aisA hai ki yah mere svabhAvamen nahIn hai. parantu vah hai to sahI. vah hai to Tale kaise? mUl vastumen nahIn hai, lekin paryAyamen yah Upar-Uparase AyA hai. ab vah Tale kaise? mUl vastumen nahIn hai, parantu yah paryAyamen Upar-Uparase AyA hai, vah Tale kaise? use TAlanekA prayatna (karatA hai). meremen nahIn hai, isaliye ab TAlanekA prayatna kaise ho, usakA upAy khojakar svayam TAlanekA prayatna karake, mere svabhAvamen nahIn hai, main usakA kartA nahIn hUn, main anAdi ananta gnAyak hI hUn. donommen virodh nahIn hotA. yadi antaramen dononkI apekShA samajhe. mUlamen nahIn hai to vah Tal jAtA hai. mUlamen ho to Tale kaise? mUlamen nahIn hai isIliye vah TalatA hai. mUlamen ho to-to usakA svabhAv ho jAye. to Tale nahIn. aur vah dukharUp hai. apanA svabhAv to dukharUp hotA nahIn. isaliye yah sab Uparase AyA huA hai, vah pariNati chalI jAye aur merA svabhAv hai vah pragaT ho jAye. isaprakAr usakI ruchi apane svabhAvakI or rahatI hai ki main gnAyak hUn aur yah Tale kaise? yah sab use ruchimen rahatA hai.

mumukShu- bahut sundar! mAtAjI! apane pIchhalI bAr spaShTIkaraN kiyA thA usamen Aj bhI adhik spaShTIkaraN huA. ... ruchimen aise lenA ki main to gnAyak hI hUn aur rAg-dveSh meremen merese atyant bhinna hai. meremen hote hI nahIn. main..

samAdhAna- bhinna hUn. bhinna hUn to pragaTarUpase bhinna paDanekA use prayatna chalatA hai ki pragaTarUpase bhinna kaise hoUn? gnAnamen use donon Ate hain ki yah meremen hotA

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hai, mere puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai, lekin vah merA svabhAv nahIn hai. isaprakAr gnAnamen sab jAnatA hai. aur usamen (-ruchimen) main jAnanevAlA ek gnAyak hUn. meremen nahIn hai. pratItamen-ruchimen aise rahatA hai.

mumukShu- ruchi arthAt shraddhAnamen use aisA rahatA hai ki mere dravyamen-svabhAvamen to rAg hai nahIn.

samAdhAna- hAn, shraddhA. shraddhA kaho, pratIt kaho, ruchi kaho.

mumukShu- shraddhA anusAr vartan (kyon nahIn hotA)? shraddhA-vishvAs pakA huA, phikShar chAritramen kyon der lagatI ho?

samAdhAna- usake prayatnakI kachAs hai. shraddhAkA jor hai ki aise hI hai. to Anshik to use ho jAtA hai. amuk ansh to pragaT ho jAtA hai. jahAn shraddhA yathArtha hotI hai vahAn gnAyakakI pariNit amuk prakArase to pragaT ho jAtI hai. usase bhinna paD jAtA hai. use svAnubhUti hotI hai, usase bhinna paDe, lekin use thoDA bAkI rahatA hai. vah usake prayatnakI kShati hai. lekin shraddhAmen itanA bal hai ki prayatna karake bhI avashya pragaT hotA hai. pAr ho jAyegA. prayatna usakA chAlU hI rahatA hai. usakA prayatna chhUT nahIn jAtA. prayatna chAlU hI rahatA hai.

kShaN-kShaNamen jo vibhAv pariNati utpanna hotI hai, usake sAmane usakA prayatna utanA joradAr khaDA rahatA hai. shraddhAkA bal aur gnAyakakI pariNati svayam apanI or, apanI pariNatiko khInchatA huA svayam pratikShaN khaDA rahatA hai. usake prayatnamen jitanA ho utanA use sahajarUpase rahatA hai. bAkI thoDI der lagatI hai, prayatnakI kachAs hai isaliye.

gnAyakadhArA pratikShaN maujUd rahatI hai. usamen (-vibhAvamen) tanmay nahIn ho jAtA. utanA prayatna usakA pragaT huA hai. shraddhAke balake sAth utanA prayatna to use joradAr rahatA hai ki ekatva hotA hI nahIn. usake sAth jo anAdise ekatva thA, ab ekatva nahIn hotA. bhinna hI bhinna, pratyek kAryamen bhinna hI rahatA hai. svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT huyI. (vibhAvake) sAth ekatva to hotA hI nahIn. kisI bhI kShaNamen ekatva nahIn hotA. usake prayatnase ekatva (nahIn hotA). sahaj aisA usakA prayatna chalatA hai. koI kAryamen, vibhAv sambandhit koI vikalpamen, shubhAshubhake kisI bhI vikalpamen ekatva nahIn hotA. shubh vikalpa Unchese UnchA ho to bhI ekatva to hotA hI nahIn. kisI bhI kShaNamen ekatva nahIn hotA. itanA prayatna usakA chAlU rahatA hai. phir visheSh prayatna chAritradashAmen der lagatI hai. kisIko turanta hotA hai, kisIko der lagatI hai.

mumukShu- ... dhIrA hokar gnAyakako mukhya lakShaN dvArA pahachAnakar vahAn sthir rahe athavA to usakA avalamban le to.. gnAn lakShaN arthAt jAnatA hai.. jAnatA hai..

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vah main hUn. yah jAnapanA hotA hai..

samAdhAna- bAharakA jAnapanA nahIn. jo jAnanevAlA svabhAv hai vah main hUn. jAnan lakShaN hai vah main hUn.

mumukShu- bAharakA jAnapanA nahIn. bAharakA jAnapane dvArA yah jAnanevAlA hai vah main hUn.

samAdhAna- hAn, main jAnanevAlA hUn. vibhAvakA veg itanA chal rahA hai, us vegapUrvak bahatA hai usamen dhIrA hokar dekhe to svayamko grahaN kar sakatA hai. usakA vibhAvakA veg anAdikA (chal rahA hai). usake vibhAvakI, vikalpakI jAl chal hI rahI hai, usamen dhIrA hokar dekhe to svayamko grahaN karatA hai.

mumukShu- ... bhaviShya, Alok, paralok..

samAdhAna- sabakI shakti... main yah chaitanya hUn, yah main nahIn hUn. is pariNAmake aise phal hote hain, sab use nakkI ho jAtA hai. usakI shraddhAmen nakkI ho jAtA hai.

... svayamko grahaN kare. gnAyak gnAn to jAnanevAlA svayam khaDA hI hai. chAhe jo bhI vibhAv ho, usamen jAnanevAlA svayam to khaDA hai. parantu svayamko jAnaneke liye svayamko prayatna karanA chAhiye. sharIr bhinna dikhAI detA hai, vah jAnatA nahIn. andar vibhAvasvabhAv to AkUlatArUp hai. us AkUlatAmense jo jAnanevAlA bhinna hai use grahaN kare. jo svata jAnanevAlA hai, bAharakA jAnatA hai isaliye jAnanevAlA hai, aise nahIn, lekin svata jAnanevAlA hI hai. us jAnanevAleko grahaN karanA apane hAthakI bAt hai. jAnan gnAyakamen sab bharA hai, ananta mahimA bharI hai. lekin usakI mahimA Aye to svayam grahaN kare. usakA lakShaN pahachAnakar svayam grahaN kare to ho sake aisA hai. svayam grahaN kare to ho sakatA hai.

andar mahimAvant AtmAmen sab bharA hai. usakA lakShaN pahachAnakar andar grahaN karanA chAhiye. jAnanevAlA svayam khaDA hI hai, shAshvat khaDA hai. jAnanevAlA svayam apanA lakShaN batA rahA hai ki ye rahA main. lekin svayam use jAnanekA prayatna kare to jAnanemen Aye na. jAnanevAlA hai vah sab jAn hI rahA hai. jo andar vibhAv hote hain, jo rAg hotA hai, jo shubh, ashubh sab bhAvonko jAnanevAlA andar khaDA hai. lekin svayam ekatvabuddhi karake use bhinna nahIn karatA hai ki yah jAnanevAlA hai to phir bhinna kyon nahIn (jAnanemen AtA)? svayam bhinna kare, joradAr prayatna kare to bhinna paDatA hai. svayam joradAr prayatna karatA nahIn. utanI ruchi, mahimA, apanA lakShaN pahachAnaneke liye vichAr karake, dhIrA hokar use grahaN kare to ho sakatA hai. bAkI to apane hAthakI bAt hai.

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mumukShu- mAtAjI! prArambh hI kaThin hai yA pUre mArgamen puruShArtha chAhiye?

samAdhAna- pratham bhUmikA vikaT hotI hai. shrImadamen AtA hai na? pratham bhUmikA vikaT hotI hai. pratham bhUmikA... anAdise use ekatvabuddhi gADh ho rahI hai, usamense use nikalanA vikaT hai. phir to mArga sahaj hai aur sugam hai. apanA svabhAv hai. aise sahaj svabhAvako usane pahachAnA aur use pragaT huA, usake bAd mArga sahaj aur sugam hai. pratham bhUmikA jitanI vikaT hotI hai, utanI usakI pratyek bhUmikA vikaT nahIn hotI. puruShArthakI dhArA to sabamen chAlU hI rakhanI paDatI hai. puruShArthakI dhArA to. lekin pratham bhUmik vikaT hotI hai.

mumukShu- use TikAye rakhanA vikaT hai.

samAdhAna- prApta karanA vikaT hai. TikAye rakhanemen bhI puruShArtha chAhiye. prApta kiyA hai use TikAye rakhanA vah apane puruShArthase (hotA hai), parantu prApta karanA adhik vikaT hai. prApta karaneke bAd TikAnA vikaT hai, lekin jise puruShArtha chalatA ho use vikaT nahIn hai. jisakA puruShArtha chhUT jAtA ho use vikaT hai. puruShArtha chhUTe to. jise puruShArtha chalatA ho use vikaT nahIn hai, puruShArtha nahIn chalatA ho usake liye vikaT hai, use TikAnA vikaT hai. jo apratihat dhArAse chalA ho, chAron pahalUse (yathArtha prakArase) shurUAt kI ho, use TikAnA vikaT nahIn hai. lekin jo chAron pahalUse nahIn chalA ho to usake liye vikaT hai. lekin pratham bhUmikA adhik vikaT hai.

... vikalpa TUT jAye to AtI hai. lekin pahale vichAr karake nirNay kare to usamen bhI use mahimA AtI hai. parantu yathArtha mahimA to usamen vah lIn ho, svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT ho to use yathArtha mahimA AtI hai. svayam vichAr karake nakkI karatA hai, vah vichAr karake nakkI karatA hai, to bhI use mahimA AtI hai. ananta jIv mokShamen gaye hain, apanA svabhAv hai isaliye. anantane bhedagnAnako pragaT kiyA, chAritradashA pragaT kI, ananta jIv mokShamen gaye hain, apanA svabhAv hai isaliye. pahale vikaT lagatA hai. vikaT honepar bhI nahIn ho sake aisA nahIn hai. kal vah sab Aye the na? (kahate the), bahut vikaT hai. vikaT hai lekin nahIn ho sake aisA nahIn hai. svayam puruShArtha kare to ho sake aisA hai.

mumukShu- use prayatna chAlU rakhanA chAhiye.

samAdhAna- prayatna chAlU rakhanA chAhiye. .. jo chAron pahalUse nahIn chalA ho, koI kAraNase shurUAt kI ho to use puruShArtha manda honekA kAraN banatA hai. chAron pahalUse chalA ho use puruShArthakI dhArA chalatI hai. to bhI puruShArtha to use Akhir tak apratihat dhArAse puruShArtha to karanA hI paDatA

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hai. ... lekin use sahaj hai, haThapUrvak nahIn hai. shurUAt honemen pharka hotA hai.

mumukShu- kisIkI shurUAt aisI ho ki samyagdarshan ho aur vApas..

samAdhAna- puruShArtha kam ho jAye, aisA hotA hai. shurUAt karanemen pharka hotA hai.

mumukShu- dharma sambandhI shankA ho kaise? gurudev itanA Thos bolate hain.

samAdhAna- andar svarUp ko dekhA aur svAnubhUti huI, use nishankatA kyon nahIn Aye? gurudev kitane nishankatAse unakI vANImen (kahate the).

mumukShu- Apane yah kahA ki svayamse hI hotA hai. usamen ApakA bolanemen bahut jor thA. us vakta mujhe aisA lagA ki vAkaImen jor hai. Apane kahA ki, koI nahIn kar detA.

samAdhAna- svayam hI hai, koI kar nahIn detA. dev-guru-shAstra usamen nimitta hote hain, parantu upAdAn to svayamko hI karanA hai, taiyArI to svayamko karanI paDatI hai. dev- guru-shAstra nimitta hote hain. anAdikAlase dev aur guru mile tab andar deshanAlabdhi hotI hai. aisA sambandha hai. parantu taiyArI to svayamko karanI paDatI hai, puruShArtha to svayamko hI karanA paDatA hai.

mumukShu- utanI ruchi kam hai?

samAdhAna- utanI ruchi, utanA prayatna sabakI kamI hai. kAraN pUrA de to kArya hue binA nahIn rahatA. kAraNamen kachAs hai isaliye kArya nahIn hotA.

mumukShu- ... us vakta anAdikA jo abhyAs hai, usamen juDaneke bAd Apane jo hamen gnAn diyA hai, Apane aur gurudevane, usase gnAnako vApas moDate hain, parantu pahale to juD jAte hain.

samAdhAna- usamen juD jAtA hai. phir use vichAr Aye ki yah merA svabhAv nahIn hai. parantu pahale juD jAtA hai. ekatvabuddhi hai, anAdikA abhyAs hai, usamen juD jAtA hai. parantu jise bhedagnAn yathArtha ho, vah svayam juDatA hI nahIn, bhinna hI rahatA hai. usakI gnAnakI dhArA, gnAyakakI gnAnadhArA bhinna hI rahatI hai aur yah ekatvabuddhike kAraN pahale juD jAtA hai aur bAdamen use bhAvanA, jignAsA hai isaliye vichAr AtA hai.

vichAr aur bhAvanA karate-karate, svayam prayatna karate-karate bhinna paDe. prayatna karate- karate (bhinnatA kare). pahale to anAdikI ekatvabuddhi hai isaliye juD jAtA hai. parantu usakI bhAvanA, jignAsA, puruShArtha bArambAr bhinna paDanekA, bArambAr-bArambAr prayatna kare, usase thake nahIn. use rukhA nahIn lage, use gnAyakakI mahimA lage. use rukhA nahIn lage

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to bArambAr prayatna karate. bArambAr usakA nirantar chAlU rakhe. anAdise ekatvabuddhikA abhyAs hai vah nirantar chaubIson ghaNTe chalatA hai. isakA thoDA abhyAs kare to (ho nahIn jAtA). nahIn to apanA svabhAv hai, sahaj hai, lekin vibhAvake abhyAsake kAraN vikaT ho gayA hai.

mumukShu- ... puruShArthakI jAgRuti ho aur bhedagnAnakA mantra.. AtmAkI vRuddhi ho, shAnti ho aur hamArI gnAyakakI jyot...

samAdhAna- svayam puruShArtha karatA nahIn. jabatak nahIn hotA tabatak usakI puShTi rahe. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA, vAnchan, tattvake vichAr Adi karatA rahe. ashubhamense chhUTakar shubhamen Aye, lekin shuddhAtmA to bhinna hai. us shuddhAtmAko pahachAnanekA, bhedagnAn karanekA prayatna karanA. vah nahIn ho, tabatak shubhabhAv to bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahate. samyagdarshan ho, bhedagnAn ho parantu bIchamen vibhAv pariNAm (Ate hain), phir bhI use lInatAkA puruShArtha chalatA hai.

pratham bhUmikA to vikaT hai. vikaT bhUmikAmen svayam bArambAr usakA prayAs karatA rahe. anAdikI dRuShTi par or hai, dRuShTi apanI or nahIn hai. sab bAharakA dekhatA rahatA hai, antar AtmAko nahIn dekhatA. jo sahaj hai aur sugam hai, use dekhatA nahIn. isaliye durlabh ho gayA hai.

mumukShu- AtmA prApta karaneke liye tIvra puruShArthakI jarUrat hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, tIvra puruShArthakI jarUrat hai. jise hotA hai use antarmuhUrtamen hotA hai. svayam hI hai. lekin nahIn ho usake liye tIvra puruShArtha karanekI jarUrat hai. kare to ho sakatA hai, nahIn ho aisA nahIn hai, lekin svayam karatA nahIn. ananta jIv puruShArtha karake mokShamen gaye hain. lekin svayam kare to hotA hai. ekatvabuddhi din-rAt chalatI hai, usamense bhinna hokar isakA abhyAs to kuchh samay karatA hai. usakA abhyAs yadi nirantar (kare).... lekin vah kab ho sakatA hai? utanI laganI lage to hotA hai, nahIn to kaise ho.

mumukShu- haTh yA jaldabAjI kAm nahIn AtI.

samAdhAna- hAn, jaldabAjI kAm nahIn AtI, haTh kare to kAm nahIn AtI. andarase svayamko sahaj laganA chAhiye, to hotA hai. nahIn ho rahA hai isali3e jaldI kare yA haTh kare yA AkUlatA kare yA ulajhanamen A jAye to kuchh nahIn hotA hai. bhAvanA ho. use bhAvanAke kAraN mArga nahIn sUjhatA isaliye usakI ulajhan aisI nahIn honI chAhiye ki svayam nirAsh ho jAye. aisA nahIn honA chAhiye.

mumukShu- jab hAthamen nahIn AtA hai, us vakta prerak bal kaun-sA kArya karatA

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hai?

samAdhAna- AtmA hAthamen nahIn Aye to bhI usakA bArambAr prayAs karate rahanA. main to bhinna hI hUn. usake vichAr karatA rahe, usakI preraNAke lie. karanA to yah ek hI hai. dUsarA to kuchh nahIn hai. mahimA nahIn AtI ho to mahimA lAye. usakA svabhAv pahachAnanekA prayatna kare. dev-guru-shAstra, guru kyA kahate hain, jinendradevane kyA kahA hai? gurudevane upadeshamen bahut kahA hai. gurudevakA upadesh yAd kare ki gurudevane kyA kahA hai? gurudevane to puruShArtha ho aisI bahut preraNA dI hai. gurudevakA upadesh yAd karanA. shAstra svAdhyAy kare, vichAr kare. lekin karanA to antaramen hai. bAhar thoDA shAstra svAdhyAy karake yah sab vichAr, vAnchan karake mAn le ki mainne bahut kiyA hai, aisA mAne to nahIn hotA. karanekA antaramen hai.

gurudevakA upadesh preraNA de rahA hai. gurudevakA upadesh itanA joradAr thA ki dUsarekA puruShArtha chAlU ho jAye, aisA unakA preraNAdAyak (upadesh) thA. tU kara. joradAr sinhakI dahAD lagAte the. lekin svayam karatA nahIn. upAdAn to balavAn thA, lekin svayamne hI nahIn kiyA hai. svayamke pramAdake kAraN chaitanyako (jAnA nahIn). "nij nayananI ALase re nirakhyA na harine jarI.' svayamke pramAdake kAraN svayam dekhatA nahIn.