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mumukShu- lakaDahArA turant dharma prApta kare aur mokShamen jAtA hai. to .. itanI der lagatI hai?

samAdhAna- lakaDahArA prApta karatA hai, puruShArtha kare use hotA hai. sab AtmA hI hai. usakA deh lakaDahArekA milA usamen kyA huA? jo puruShArtha karatA hai use hotA hai.

mumukShu- sab mumukShuonkI bhAvanA to yahI hai ki bArambAr bhAg-bhAgakar ...

samAdhAna- hAn, lekin puruShArtha utanA nahIn hai. puruShArtha nahIn hai, bhAvanA hai. bhAvanA karatA rahe lekin jo mArga hai, us mArgako svayam antaramense puruShArtha karake pragaT nahIn karatA hai. bhAvanA karatA rahe.

mumukShu- bhAvanA AsAn hai, puruShArtha kaThin paDatA hai na.

samAdhAna- puruShArtha kaThin paDatA hai, jo vastu hai us vastu anusAr kArya karanA. vah AtA hai na? mujhe bandhan hai, mujhe bandhan hai, aisA vichAr karatA rahe. bandhan hai- bandhan hai karate rahanese bandhan TUTatA nahIn, bandhanako toDe to bandhan TUTatA hai.

mumukShu- toDaneke liye to ham sab Apake pAs Ate hain.

samAdhAna- toDanA to apane hAthakI bAt hai. use dUsarA koI nahIn toD detA. vichAr shrRunkhalA, shAstramen (AtA hai) vichAr shrRunkhalA. bandhan hai, bandhan hai aisI vichAr shrRunkhalA karatA rahe to bandhan TUTatA nahIn. main bhinna-bhinna (hUn), bhale bhAvanA kare. dUsarI bhAvanAse yah bhAvanA usakI achchhI hai, vichAr karatA rahe ki main bhinna hUn, bhinna hUn, aise vichAr karate rahanese (bhinnatA nahIn hotI). bhinnatA karanekA prayatna kare to bhinna paDatA hai. beDIkA bandhan hai, bandhan hai, aisA kare, toDanA hai, aisA vichAr kare to bhI nahIn TUTatA. toDanekA kArya kare to hI TUTe.

bhAvanA karatA rahatA hai, mumukShu (vichAr karatA hai ki) main bhinna hUn, yah merA svarUp nahIn hai. kab pragaT ho, aisA vichAr kare, vichAr karanese nahIn hotA. vichAr bhale hI use ek sAdhanake sthAn par rahe, lekin toDanA to apane hAthakI bAt hai. toDe binA TUTatA nahIn.

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mumukShu- aisA AtA hai ki gnAnIkA ek shabda sune aur andaramen paTalA ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- palaT jAtA hai apane puruShArthase. upAdAn apanA hai. puruShArthake binA palaTanA nahIn hotA. gurudev kahate hain na, anek bAr bhagavAn mil to bhI svayam apane puruShArthakI kamIke kAraN palaTA nahIn. bhagavAnakA nimitta to joradAr thA aur gurudevakA nimitta joradAr thA. lekin svayam palaTatA nahIn.

mumukShu- palaTanA nahIn AtA.

samAdhAna- AtA nahIn aisA nahIn hai, svayamkI utanI taiyArI nahIn hai, nahIn to Aye binA rahe hI nahIn. lekin svayam palaTatA hI nahIn.

mumukShu- bhAvanA to hai ki palaTanA hai, puruShArtha karanA hai.

samAdhAna- palaTanA hai aisA vichAr kare. beDI toDanI hai, use sUjhe ki is prakAr beDI toD, to hI TUTe. beDIse jo ulajhA ho, vah beDI toDanekA mArga DhUnDhe binA rahatA hI nahIn. ulajh gayA hai ki yah kaise TUTe? usakA mArga chAhe jaise pUchhakar, svayam nakkI karake, chAhe jitane sAdhan ikaTThe karake toDe binA nahIn rahatA. jo vAsvatamen ulajhanen AyA hai, vah chhUTe binA nahIn rahatA. svayamko andarase vAstavik rUpamen lagI nahIn hai. utanI tIvra tAlAvelI nahIn hai. lage to toDanekA prayatna svayam hI karatA hai.

mumukShu- abhI vartamAn kAlamen to sabhI mumukShuonko yah bhAvanA hai ki hamen gnAnI gurudev mile hain, mAtAjI mile hain, bArambAr unakA parichay kare, bArambAr unake pAs jAyen, bArambAr samIp rahakar lAbh len. aisI bhAvanA hai. vaise sunanA, paDhanA sab hai. ab palaTanemen visheSh...

samAdhAna- antaramen dhIrA hokar, sUkShma hokar Age jAnA chAhie vah nahIn jAtA, anAdise yah sab karatA rahatA hai. vah use kaThin lagatA hai.

mumukShu- gnAnI bArambAr kahe to bhI use Age nahIn baDhanA hai?

samAdhAna- karanA to svayamko hI hai, dUsarA koI nahIn kar detA.

mumukShu- mahAvideh kShetra jaisA abhI yog hai. usamen yahI ek karane jaisA hai. phir bhI itanI der lagatI hai?

samAdhAna- svayam andar vichAr karake dekhe ki svayam hI pramAd karake aTakA hai. to svayamko pakaD sakatA hai ki svayam hI aTakA hai, koI rokatA nahIn.

mumukShu- koI DAkTar aisA injekshan lagAtA hai to tvarAse darda miT jAtA hai. vaise Ap..

samAdhAna- vah sab to bAharakA puNyoday hai. injekshan dekar nahIn bhI miTe,

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aisA bhI bane. gurudevakA to aisA thA ki jo andar kArya kare use asar kiye binA rahe hI nahIn. lekin svayamko kArya karanA hai. svayam kArya karatA nahIn. svayamkI bhUl hai.

mumukShu- svayamko svastha nahIn honA hai.

samAdhAna- svayam taiyAr nahIn hotA. "karma bichAre kaun, bhUl merI adhikAI'. svayamkI bhUl hai, par kyA kare? bAharake sAdhan kyA kare? svayam hI nahIn palaTatA hai.

mumukShu- palaTanA itanA kaThin hai ki svayam palaTatA nahIn?

samAdhAna- anAdikA abhyAs hai. kaThin nahIn hai, sahaj hai. lekin svayamkA pramAd hai. ... jAgRut hI nahIn hotA, aisA hai. jAgRut honA apane hAthakI bAt hai. gurudevakI vANI sabako jAgRut karatI hai. sabako ruchi to huI, phir puruShArtha karanA to svayamke hAthamen hai. unak vANI aisI thI ki sabako ruchi ho jAya. AtmAkI or ruchi pragaT ho jAya. yah sab sansAr nisAr hai. AtmA hI ek sArabhUt hai. aise kitane hI jIvonko andar ruchi ho jAya. lekin phir Age baDhanA apane hAthakI bAt hai.

mumukShu- ApakI vANI sunanI hai...

samAdhAna- ... vibhAv pariNati hotI hai, vah svayamke puruShArthakI mandatAse hotI hai. mandatAse hotI hai, lekin usamense bhedagnAn kare ki main yah chaitanya hUn, dUsarA kuchh merA svarUp nahIn hai. svayam grahaN kare usamen use apanA pUrNa svarUp use pratItamen A gayA. lekin bAdamen use bhedagnAnakI dhArA nirantar rahatI hai. aise vikalpase nirNay kare aise nahIn, parantu sahaj rahe. sahaj pratikShaN din-rAt, kShaN-kShaNamen bhinna pariNati rahe. usamen pariNati sahaj rahe. usanen lInatA karate-karate use sahaj lInatA baDhe to pUrNa paryAy pragaT hotI hai. pUrNa svarUp to kevalagnAn ho tab hotA hai.

mumukShu- grahaN kaise karanA? kaisA puruShArtha karanA?

samAdhAna- pUrNa kevalagnAn to is kAlamen pragaT nahIn hotA. abhI to bhedagnAn aur samyagdarshan mAtra hotA hai aur chAritradashA tak amuk (had) tak pahunchA jA sakatA hai. kyonki abhI utanI puruShArthakI dhArA kevalagnAn ho vahAn tak (nahIn pahunchatI). yah pancham kAl hai na. jab yahAn mahAvIr bhagavAn vicharate the, tab yahAn kevalagnAn paryant sab pahunchate the. lekin abhI to ek samyagdarshan aur usakI amuk prakArase lInatA hotI hai. lekin usakA pUrNa grahaN, usakA dravya svarUp to pahale grahaN ho jAtA hai.

main chaitanya dravya anAdiananta shAshvat hUn. main jAnanevAlA gnAyak hUn. jo jAnanevAlA hai vah svayam hai. svayam hI jAnanevAlA hai. use pUrNa grahaN ho jAnA chAhiye. usake bAd usakI paryAy arthAt usakI jo kevalagnAnakI dashA hai vah bAdamen hotI hai. lekin

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pahale use pUrNa grahaN hotA hai. pUrNa grahaN hokar bhedagnAnakI dashA rahatI hai. bhedagnAnakI dashAmense vah svarUpamen aisA lIn hotA hai ki koI bAr use vikalpa chhUT jAtA hai. vikalpa chhUTakar nyArA ho jAtA hai. nyArA hotA hai, usamen gnAn aur Anandase bharA AtmA hai. gnAn-Anandase apUrva bharA hai. bAhyase upayog chhUTakar antaramen jAya. aisA upayog (ho jAtA hai ki) jagatase judA koI jAtyAntar ki jisakI jAti jagatake sAth mel nahIn AtI. aisA use apUrva Ananda aur nirvikalpa dashA koI apUrva pragaT hotI hai.

mumukShu- samyagdarshan tIn prakArake hain na? to upasham samyagdarshan to niyamase chalA jAtA hai na?

samAdhAna- hAn.

mumukShu- to phir aisA kyA karanA ki gnAnIkA hI sanyog mile? mujhe to itanA hI kahanA hai ki mujhe aisA kaho ki gurudevake pAs hI merA janma ho, usake alAvA kuchh nahIn. usake liye jo kuchh karanA paDe vah karaneke liye main taiyAr hUn. mujhe itanI AtmAkI ruchi hai ki utanA mujhe koI sAth nahIn detA. mainne kitanA sahan kiyA hai dharmake liye. mujhe kitanI ruchi, mujhe AtmAkI tIvra ruchi hai. ek AtmA hI chAhiye.

samAdhAna- gurudevake pAs janma ho, vah vaisI bhAvanA rakhe ki mujhe santonkA samAgam mile, gurukA samAgam mile.

mumukShu- mujhe kitane yAd Ate hain. mainne dekhA nahIn hai. kal bhI main sArI rAt rotI thI, gurudevako yAd karake. lekin mujhe koI samajhAtA nahIn. mujhe AtmA chAhiye, koI vANI nahIn hai. kitanI rotI thI.

samAdhAna- gurudev svapnamen Ate hain?

mumukShu- hAn, mainne to dekhA nahIn hai aur is prakAr Ate hain. isaliye main Apake pAs AyI hUn. mujhe mAno ki kahate ho, dilAsA dete hain. mujhe itanI aTUT shraddhA hai. mainne sonagaDh bhI Aj hI dekhA.

samAdhAna- sonagaDh Aj hI dekhA? svAdhyAy mandir hai na? usamen gurudev 45 sAl (rahe), svAdhyAyamen rahe. pahale tIn sAl ek bangalemen rahe. phir tIn sAlake bAd yahAn (rahane lage). gurudev is sonagaDhamen 45 sAl rahe. tIn sAlake bAd hameshA sonagaDhamen svAdhyAy mandir hai na? usamen unakI pratikRuti hai. vahAn gurudev 45 sAl, lagabhag 45 sAl tak yahAn virAje hain. jab-jab chAturmAs Aye, chAturmAsamen nahIn jAte the. thoDe sAl to yahIn rahate the. vihAr bhI nahIn karate the. bAhar bhI nahIn jAte the. chAr- pAnch sAlake (bAd jAne lage). phir vihAr rAjakoT, mumbaI bahut bAr padhArate the. mumbaI

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padhArate the, lekin Apako mAlUm nahIn hogA.

mumukShu- lekin main jain nahIn hUn nA, bahin! isaliye mujhe kyA mAlUm ki yah dharma hai ki aisA hai. ek bAr shrImad rAjachandra pustak hAthamen AyA, to mujhe lagA, are..! aisA jain dharma hai! phir khojate-khojate kitanA sahan karake devavalAlImen rukI. dhyAn karatI thI, vahAn guphAmen. sabako yahI prArthanA karatI thI. lekin pIchhale tIn mahinemen gurudevakA mujhe itanA nishchay ho gayA hai ki... likhanA ho to mujhe andarase AtA hai.

samAdhAna- aisA AtA hai. ApakI bhAvanA achchhI hai. bahan! thoDA vichAr karanA, kuchh vAnchan karanA. dravya aur paryAya. dravya-guN aur paryAy dravyakA svarUp hai. dravyamen vah gnAyak hai. vah gnAyak svata gnAyak hai. kisIne use banAyA nahIn hai. gnAyak hai vah gnAyak hai. gnAyak aisA hai ki usamen ananta guN bhare hain. ananta guNamen ek gnAn aur ek Ananda (hai). Ananda guN to aisA hai ki koI anupam hai. koI vikalpase usakI kalpanA nahIn ho sakatI. aisA koI nyArA hI hai. vikalpa chhUT jAya. vah koI alag hI hai. Ananda, gnAn ityAdi ananta guNonse bharA hai ki jisakA pAr nahIn. jise bol bhI nahIn sakate, jo vANImen nahIn Ate. koI ananta guNase bharA aisA koI AtmA hai. pahale usakI shraddhA hotI hai ki yah jAnanevAlA gnAyak hai. gnAn hotA hai na? lekin vah gnAyak (hai). gnAyakako grahaN karanA. lekin usakI svAnubhUti aur usake ananta guN jo svAnubhUtimen Ate hain, andar vikalpa chhUT jAy vah andaramen kuchh alag hotA hai.

use andar svAnubhUti koI alag (hotI hai). phir bhI Ap andar vichAr karanA. andar bhedagnAnakI dhArA kShaN-bhaN (chalatI hai). use vichAr nahIn karanA paDe ki main yah bhinna hUn. puruShArthakI dhArA andaramen chalatI rahe. main yah bhinna hUn, bhinna hUn. jo-jo vignakalpa Aye usI kShaN main bhinna hUn. shubhabhAv jo Ate hain ki mujhe gurudev mile, aise shubhabhAv, vah sab shubhabhAv hai. aur dUsare laukik bhAv hai vah ashubhabhAv hai. donon bhAvase bhinna AtmA hai. shAstramen AtA hai ki un sabase bhinna hai, AtmA to bhinna hI hai. usakI antaramen shraddhA barAbar karanI. aur gnAyak-gnAyak karate hue yadi usamen lIn hA jAy to pUrNatA hotI hai. lekin vah lInatA, abhI to gRuhasthAshramamen hai isaliye samyagdarshan hotA hai. samyagdarshanamen use bhedagnAnakI dhArA, svAnubhUti hotI hai. svAnubhUtimense puna bAhar AtA hai. bAhar AtA hai to bhedagnAnakI dhArA chalatI hai. andar jAy to svAnubhUti hotI hai. aisI dashA amuk prakArakI hotI hai.

usake bAd use jab munidashA AtI hai, munidashA Aye usamen aisA tyAg ho jAtA

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hai ki jangalamen jAkar kShaN-kShaNamen svAnubhUti karate hain. kShaN-kShaNamen svAnubhUti. aisI dashA ho jAtI hai. munionko aisI pratikShaN svAnubhati hote-hote, ve aise andar sthir ho jAte hain ki usamen pUrNa kevalagnAn ho jAya. tab pUrNa hotA hai. use aisI koI munidashA AtI hai ki use jagatakI kuchh paDI nahIn hai. aise muni jangalamen rahate hain. jangalamen rahate hain use bAharakI khAnekI, pInekI, AhArakI kuchh (paDI) nahIn hai. ve jangalamen rahate hain. aisI munidashA Aye, aisI munidashA Aye usamen aise lIn ho jAte hain, tab unhen kevalagnAn pUrNa dashA pragaT hotI hai. pUrNa dashA karaneke liye, vah to bahut taiyArI ho tab hotI hai. lekin usake pahale jo samyagdarshan hotA hai, us samyagdarshanamen bhavakA abhAv ho jAtA hai. phir use adhik bhav nahIn rahate.

mumukShu- aisA hI lagatA hai ki bhav hai hI nahIn. itanA bal kyon AtA hai?

samAdhAna- achchhI bAt hai, lekin andar thoDA adhik (prayatna karanA). gurudevakI bhAvanA rahatI ho to gurudev prati shubhabhAvanA rahe to usakA janma usI prakArase hotA hai. jise ugra shubhabhAvanA rahatI ho, ugra bhAvanAse aisA banatA hai. aur upasham samyagdarshanakI to sthiti hI aisI hai ki anAdimen sarva pratham ho tab upasham hI hotA hai, phir use kShayopasham hotA hai. vah to aisA hI .. hai.

mumukShu- vah chalA nahIn jAy, usake liye kyA karanA?

samAdhAna- bhedagnAnakI dhArA chAlU rakhanI.

mumukShu- hamen to koI gnAnIkA samAgam bhI nahin milatA, kisake pAs (jAyen)? Apamen to sarvasva hai, phir bhI koI preraNA denevAlA, koI vANI.. kahAn mile?

samAdhAna- ye dev-guru-shAstrakA sAnnidhya ho to hotA hai. mumbaImen sAdharmI hain, apanA vAnchan chalatA hai. Ap kahAn rahate ho?

mumukShu- borIvalImen.

samAdhAna- malAD Apake pAs hai?

mumukShu- hAn. yahAn itanI dUr AyI hUn to vahAn to (jA sakatI hUn). mujhe to chAhe jaise ho, chAhiye.

samAdhAna- malADamen vAnchan chalatA hai. gurudevake shAstrakA svAdhyAy hotA hai, vahAn mandir hai.

mumukShu- lekin yah tattva itanA gaharA hai, paDhat-paDhate aisA hotA hai, ek vAkya paDhane par lagatA hai, mujhe unakA hRuday ab mAlUm paDatA hai. mainne to dekhe nahIn. aisA sab likhA hai! mAno sAkShAt bhagavAnakA likhA ho!

samAdhAna- hAn, sAkShAt bhagavAnakA likhA hai.

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mumukShu- itanA unakA hotA hai ki alaukik!

samAdhAna- hAn, alaukik hai. lekin Apako adhik samajhanA ho to malADamen svAdhyAy chalatA hai, gurudevake shAstrakA svAdhyAy chalatA hai, gurudevake pravachanakA svAdhyAy chalatA hai. yah shAstra-mUl shAstra samayasAr chalatA hai, pravachanasAr chalatA hai. vahAn sab chalatA hai. vahAn malADamen kaun vAnchan karate hain?

mumukShu- chImanalAl ThAkarashI.

samAdhAna- chImanalAl ThAkarashI. unhen Ap kuchh pUchhenge to prashnake uttar bhI denge.

mumukShu- vahAn hameshA vAnchan Adi chalatA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, vAnchan chalatA hai. vahAn bhagavAnakA mandir hai, vahAn pUjA hotI hai, vAnchan chalatA hai, sab hotA hai.

mumukShu- kitanA bhaTakate hain, lekin kuchh milatA nahIn. koI gnAnI (nahIn milate). kitanI jagah gaI. koI kahatA hai, yahAn hai, yahAn jAo, vahAn hai, vahAn jAo.

samAdhAna- vahAn mumukShu hain. gurudevake pravachan jinhonne sune hain, gurudevakA parichay jinhonne kiyA hai, vaise log vahAn hain. Ap vahAn (raho) to Apako jyAdA khyAl AyegA. Apako kyA chalatA hai, dUsarA to kaise mAlUm paDe? Apako kyA hai vah Apako hI nakkI karanA paDe.

... chalatI ho, aur koI-koI bAr use svAnubhUti hotI hai. bhedagnAnakI dhArA chalatI hai.

mumukShu- aisA lagatA hai ki svAnubhUti aisI hai. bhedagnAnakI dhArA chale to Ap jaise kahate ho vaisA sahaj chalatA hI rahe.

samAdhAna- .. pUrA dravya A jAtA hai. ek-ek guN par dRuShTi nahIn, akhaNDa abhed par dRuShTi hotI hai.

mumukShu- aisA hI. bhed nahIn, akhaNDa abheda. kyonki andaramen vaisI hI vastusthiti andaramen hai.

samAdhAna- ..jaise hiremen chamak hotI hai. vaise vastu ek hai, lekin usamen paryAy (hain). gnAn gnAnakA kArya lAye, chAritra chAritrakA kArya lAye, vah sab kArya lAte hain. lekin abhI gnAn, darshan, chAritra pragaT nahIn hue hain, isaliye gnAn, darshan, chAritra vibhAvamen vartate hain. svabhAv pragaT ho to gnAn, darshan, chAritra svabhAvakI or pragaT hote hain, usakA kArya AtA hai. lekin bhed par usakI dRuShTi nahIn hotI. gnAnamen sab hotA hai. jAnatA hai, lekin dRuShTi to ek dravya par, abhed par hotI hai.

mumukShu- dononkI sandhike bIch pragnAchhainI paTakanese, kahA hai na? ki dononkI sandhimen...

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samAdhAna- hAn, pragnAchhainI sandhimen (paTakanI).

mumukShu- vah sAdhan hai na? vah paTakaneke bAd bhedagnAn ho jAtA hai. chattArI mangalan, arihantA mangalan, sAhU mangalan, kevalipaNatto dhammo mangalan. chattArI loguttamA, arihantA loguttamA, siddhA loguttamA, sAhU loguttamA, kevalipaNatto dhammo loguttamA.

chattArI sharaNan pavajjAmi, arihantA sharaNan pavajjAmi, siddhA sharaNan pavajjAmi, kevalI paNatto dhammo sharaNan pavajjAmi.

chAr sharaN, chAr mangal, chAr uttam kare je, bhavasAgarathI tare te sakaL karmano ANe anta. mokSha taNA sukh le anant, bhAv dharIne je guN gAye, te jIv tarIne muktie jAya. sansAramAnhI sharaN chAr, avar sharaN nahIn koI. je nar-nArI Adare tene akShay avichal pad hoya. angUThe amRut varase labdhi taNA bhaNDAra. guru gautamane samarIe to sadAy manavAnchhit phal dAtA.