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samAdhAna- ..AtmAko pahachAnakar puruShArtha karanA. AtmAkA svabhAv pahale pahachAnanA. bhAvanA kI, bhAvanAke sAth pahachAnanekA prayatna karanA. AtmAkA kyA svarUp hai? AtmA kyA vastu hai? usake guN kyA? usakI paryAy kyA? vah vastu kyA? use pahachAnanekA prayatna karanA. bhAvanA kare usake sAth use samajhanekA prayatna karanA. usakI mahimA Aye, use vibhAvase virakte se Aye to hotA hai.

bhAvanAke sAth vah sab juDA hotA hai. jise bhAvanA ho use aise vichAr Aye binA rahe nahIn ki AtmA kyA hai? usakA kyA svarUp hai? bhAvanAke sAth vah sab juDA hotA hai. sachchI bhAvanA hI usakA nAm hai ki jise AtmAkI mahimA lage, vibhAv, parapadArthakI mahimA chhUT jAy, sab bAhya vastuonkI mahimA chhUT jAy, AtmAkI mahimA lage. bhAvanA to use sachchI kahI jAya. jis bhAvanAke sAth AtmA kaun hai? AtmAkA kyA svarUp hai? use jAnanekI andar ichchhA ho ki AtmA kyA hai, usakA svarUp jAne. svarUp jAne to prayatna hotA hai. aise hI bhAvanA karate rahanese nahIn hotA, usakA svarUp jAne, bAdamen puruShArtha kare ki yahI AtmA hai, aisA nakkI kare. AtmA gnAyak hI hai, aisA nakkI kare, usakI barAbar shraddhA kare, usakI pratIt kare, usakA gnAn kare to hotA hai. usakI lInatA kare. parantu vah sab bhAvanAke sAth juDA hotA hai. mAtra akelI bhAvanA karanese nahIn, parantu usake sAth yah sab hotA hai. shubhabhAvase jinendra dev, guru, shAstrakA yog milatA hai. lekin AtmA svayam puruShArtha kare to milatA hai. usake sAth use tattvake vichAr hote hain. sab sAthamen juDA hotA hai, to milatA hai. bhAvanA karatA rahe ki AtmA kaise prApta ho? AtmA kaise prApta ho? usake sAth dUsarA kuchh nahIn ho to bhAvanA bhI sachchI nahIn hai. bandhA huA manuShya aisA kahe ki yah beDIkA bandhan kaise TUTe? kaise TUTe? aisA karatA rahe to vaise nahIn TUTatI. toDanekA prayatna kare to TUTe.

vaise AtmAkA kyA svarUp hai? AtmA bandhA huA hai, mukta hai. kis prakAr usakA mukta svarUp hai? aur kaise bandhan hai? yah sab andar samajhe. AtmA vastu to mukta hai, lekin bandhan to vibhAvakI bhrAntike kAraN yah bandhan huA hai. usakA svarUp

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pahachAne. use toDanekA prayatna (kare) arthAt andar shraddhA kare, gnAn kare aur us or lInatA kare to pragaT hotA hai. vAnchan, vichAr Adi karanA chAhiye. tattvake vichAr aur us ek hI men sthir nahIn rah sake to svAdhyAy kare, vAnchan kare. shAstrakA vAnchan kare. jinendra dev, guru, shAstrakI mahimA, bhakti aur shAstra svAdhyAy Adi sab kare. sab bIchamen AtA hai, lekin yathArtha gnAn ho to use yathArtha puruShArtha uThe. yathArtha gnAnake binA yathArtha dhyAn ho nahIn sakatA. yathArtha gnAn kare to hI use yathArtha puruShArtha uThe.

mumukShu- gnAyakake dvAr par Tahel lagAnI, aisA kahA. to ham bAharake dvArA par to bhaTakate hain. vah samajhamen AtA hai, lekin gnAyakake dvAr Tahel kaise lagAnI?

samAdhAna- gnAyakakI laganI lage, gnAyak.. gnAyak, aise gnAyakakI dhUn lage. gnAyakake sivA kahIn ruche nahIn, vah gnAyakake dvArA par lagAnA hai. usake hRudayamen gnAyak.. gnAyak.. kaise gnAyak pahachAnamen Aye? bArambAr use gnAyak hI smRutimen AtA rahe. yah sab hai, lekin mujhe gnAyak nahIn dikh rahA hai. vibhAv Adi sab dikhatA hai, vikalpakI jAl dikhatI hai, parantu isamen gnAyak nahIn dikhatA hai. aise gnAyakakI dhUn lage, gnAyakakI laganI lage, vah gnAyakake dvAr par Tahel lagAnA hai. gnAyak kaise pahachAnA jAy? vah Tahal hai. bArambAr, din aur rAt usakI laganI lage. gnAyakake sivA kahIn chain paDe nahIn.

bhagavAnake dvAr par Tahel lagAye ki bhagavAnake dvAr kaise khUle? bhagavAnake mandiramen kaise jAUn? vaise yahAn gnAyakakI dhUn lage. gnAyakake dvArA kaise (khUle)? mujhe gnAyak kaise pahachAnamen Aye? gnAyakake darshan kaise ho? vaise gnAyakakI dhUn lage, gnAyakakI laganI lage. use usake dvAr par Tahale lagAnI (kahA jAtA hai). gnAyak.. gnAyak.. usake hRudayamen gnAyakadevakI dhUn lage, laganI lage. vah Tahel lagAnA hai. bAharamen bhaTakanA vah nahIn, gnAyakake dvAr par hI Tahel lagAnI, usakI laganI lage.

mumukShu- nirantar ek hI laganI.

samAdhAna- ek hI laganI use hotI hai. rAt aur din use gnAyak hI yAd Aye. vikalpajAlamen bAharamen rahatA hai, lekin use gnAyakakI hI dhUn lage, gnAyakakI laganI lage.

samAdhAna- jAtismaraNakA artha to pUrvakA smaraN ho, aisA usakA artha hai. pUrvakA smaraN AtA hai. abhI devabhavamen hain. devake rUpamen hain.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- jo sunA ho vah sab smaraNamen Aye. bAkI matikI nirmalatAke kAraN

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bhaviShyakA (jAne) vah alag bAt hai. bAkI jAtismaraNamen to pUrvakA smaraN AtA hai.

mumukShu- bhaviShyamen kyA hogA vah sunA ho, vah bhI yAd Aye.

samAdhAna- bhaviShyamen kyA honevAle hain, vah sunA ho, vah yAd Aye. jAtismaraNake viShayamen vahI hai. pUrvamen jo sunA hai, usamen bhaviShyake bhav bhI sune hote hain na, vah yAd Ate hain.

mumukShu- gurudevake dUsare bhav jo sune hain vah yAd Ate hain.

samAdhAna- hAn, sune hue smaraNamen AtA hai. vah kuchh paDhA nahIn thA. vah purANamen nahIn paDhA thA. sthAnakavAsImen to samavasaraNakA varNan to tIn gaDh hote hain, bhagavAn hote hain, aisA hotA hai na. samavasaraNakA varNan jo digambaramen AtA hai, vah paDhA nahIn thA. vah to aise hI (smaraNamen AyA thA). jo digambaramen AtA hai, usI prakAr AyA thA. vah kuchh paDhA yA sunA nahIn thA. vartamAnamen paDhA, sunA ho vah yAd Aye aisA nahIn hai. vartamAnakA ho to vah to vahI ho gayA. paDhA, sunA ho, usakA koI artha nahIn hai. pUrvamen jo sunA thA, vah antaramense yAd AyA.

mumukShu- yahAn samavasaraN banAyA usake pahale... samavasaraNa- vah to usake pahale huA thA. yah to samvat 1993 kI sAlamen huA thA. samavasaraN to 1998kI sAlamen huA. samavasaraNakA to bahut varNan AtA hai. kahate the, vah mainne kuchh sunA nahIn thA. gurudev tIrthankar honevAle hain, vah mainne unake pAsase nahIn sunA thA. yah to bahut sAl pahalekI bAt hai. 1993, 1994kI sAlamen gurudev hIrAbhAIke makAnamen the. us vakta kisIko kuchh kahate nahIn the ki unhen svapna AyA aur tIrthankar honevAle hain, gurudevase koI bAt nahIn sunI thI. gurudev us vakta bAhar kuchh nahIn kahate the. hIrAbhAIke bangalemen gurudevane parivartan kiyA, tab hIrAbhAIke bangalemen the. gurudev kuchh nahIn kahate the. vah sab to antaramense AyA. bAdamen mainne gurudevako kahA. isaliye gurudevane kahA ki, aisA to mujhe bhI andaramen AtA hai.

.. mujhe to aisA lagA thA ki, main gurudevako kahatI hUn, unako kaisA lagegA? aisA hotA thA. gurudev bAhar nahIn kahate the. gurudev rAjakumAr the, gurudev bAhar nahIn kahate the. unhen svapnamen AyA thA. tIrthankar honevAle hain, antaramense unhen aisA AtA thA, andarase svapna Ate the. gurudevako aisA sab hotA thA, lekin vah bAhar nahIn kahA thA. mujhe kuchh nahIn mAlUm thA.

mumukShu- Apane kahA tab..

samAdhAna- mainne gurudevako kahA ki mujhe aisA AtA hai ki Ap rAjakumAr the. phir gurudevane kahA ki hAn, mujhe svapna AyA thA, dIkShA leneke bAd turant, ki

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main rAjakumAr hUn, jharIke vastra parahane hain, UnchA sharIr hai. vah sharIr yahAnkA nahIn. vah to koI dUsare kShetrakA baDA sharIr thA. vah bAdamen kahA. bhagavAnane kahA hai, tIrthankar honevAle hain. sImandhar bhagavAnane kahA hai. gurudevane kahA, yah to mujhe antaramense AtA hai.

mumukShu- Apane jab kahA, tab gurudevane kahA na..

samAdhAna- gurudevako pramod bahut huA thA. bhagavAnakA nAm Aye isaliye pramod Aye na. bhagavAnane kahA hai isaliye. gurudevako kahanA vah koI, antaramen vichAr kiye binA gurudevake pAs kahanA vah koI AsAn bAt hai? gurudev kahate the, trilokInAthane TIkA kiyA, ab kyA chAhiye? bhagavAnane kahA hai ki bhaviShyamen yah tIrthankar honge. bhagavAnakI vANImen AyA, bhagavAnakI kRupA barasI. gurudev aisA shabda (bolate the), trilokInAthane TIkA kiyA, ab kyA chAhiye?

main tIrthankar hUn, yah mujhe kyA A rahA hai? unako us prakArakI bhanak aur us prakArake svapna Ate the. aise svapna Ane vah koI AsAn nahIn hai. tIrthankarakA svapna kise AtA hai? kisIko kahanemen Aye ki yah tIrthankar (honevAle hain). to koI mAne nahIn. nA, nA. bhagavAn tIrthankar hain, main kahAn tIrthankar hUn? gurudevako svayamko hRudayamense aisA AtA thA ki main tIrthankar hUn. tIrthankar honevAlA hUn, tIrthankar hUn aise svapna Ate the.

mumukShu- aise svapna Ate the?

samAdhAna- hAn, aise svapna gurudevako Ate the.

mumukShu- sarva pratham vAnkAneramen OM dhvani..

samAdhAna- hAn, OM dhvani (AyA thA). OM dhvani Aye vah bhI kisako AtI hai? gurudevako OM dhvani svapnake andar AtI thI. pahale vAnkAneramen AyI, phir umarAlAmen AyI, tisarI bAr vinchhIyAmen AyI. sADhe bArah kroD vAjintra bajate hain aur OM dhvani (sunAyI dI), gurudevako svayamko OM dhvani nikalatI hai. aisA AtA thA. usake do artha karate the. bhagavAnake pAs gurudev sunakar Aye hain aur bhagavAn honevAle hain. isaliye OM dhvani nikalI, sADhe bArah kroD vAjintra bajate hain.

mumukShu- honevAle hain aisA bhI aur bhagavAnake pAsase Aye hain, aisA bhI.

samAdhAna- bhagavAnake pAsase Aye hain, donon artha karate the. kuchh sunA nahIn thA, kuchh kiyA nahIn thA, kuchh nahIn thA. yah rAjakumAr bhaviShyamen tIrthankar honevAle hain, sImandhar bhagavAnakI vANImen aisA AyA hai. vah ekadam AyA. mainne kuchh sunA nahIn, kiyA nahIn kisIke pAsase athavA aisA vichAr bhI nahIn AyA hai. gurudevako kahanemen kitanI baDI bAt hai ki yah baDI bAt gurudevako kahenge to guurudev kyA kahenge, aisA

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vichAr Aye. ve svayam mAnate the, yah mAlUm nahIn thA.

mumukShu- baDI jimmedArI.

samAdhAna- jimmedArI lekar kahA thA. devonkA vaikriyak sharIr, vah to svayam vikriyA karate hain. jaisI vikriyA karanI ho vaisI kar sakate hain. usakA varNan to.. dev to UnchI jAtake vaikriyak sharIr kare. nIchi jAtake vaikriyak nahIn karate, UnchI jAtake kare. bhagavAnakI bhakti kare. ek devake kitane rUp kar de. dev yAnI dev jaise hI dUsarA rUp kare. sab jAtake rUp na kare, UnchI jAtakI vikriyA kare. amuk jAtike dev hote hain, vah devakI vikriyA kare. amuk vAhan jAtike dev hote hain, anek jAtike dev hote hain.

bhagavAnake janmAbhiShekake samay Ate hain, vah dev hAthIkA rUp lekar AtA hai. dev svayam hI airAvat hAthI hotA hai. kitanI sUnDh hotI hai. ek sUnDh par kitane tAlAb hote hain. aisA hAthIkA rUp lekar koI dev AtA hai. vAhan jAtike dev hote hain. us par bhagavAnakA abhiShek karane jAte hain. dev anek jAtake rUp karate hain.

mumukShu- tiryanch bhI hote hain?

samAdhAna- tiryanch nahIn hote, tiryanch nahIn hote hain, dev rUp kare, dev rUp kare. tiryanch nahIn hote. hAthI svayam dev hai. tiryanch nahIn hai, dev hai. pratindra, sAmAnik, vAhan jAti Adi anek jAtike dev hote hain. ... dev hote hain, anek jAtake hote hain. bahut jAtike dev aise hote hain, ve aise vAhan jAtike devonkA rUp nahIn karate hain. amuk jAtake dev hote hain vah karate hain. digambar dharma hI hai. muni hAthamen AhAr le, digambar dharma hI chal rahA hai. bhagavAn vahAn virAjate hain. main kisIko kuchh kahatI nahIn, pUchhate hain to thoDA (kahA).

mumukShu- bAt samajhAnemen Aye to sabako khyAlamen Aye.

samAdhAna- gurudevake pAs sabane bahut sunA hai. devAdhidev! yah tujhe kahAnse AyA? aisA bole. us din mAlUm bhI nahIn thA, yah kahAnse AyA. tU hI devano dev, yah kahAnse AyA? sthAnakavAsImen to yah thA nahIn, yah kahAnse AyA? tU hI devano deva. tU bhagavAn hai, aisA kahAnse AyA? chhoTI umramen kahAnse AyA? aisA bolate hain. tIrthankarakA jIv... itanA Thos svayamko hI thA.

mumukShu- gurudev vahAn..

samAdhAna- pATh bolanen yah kyA AyA? aisA huA. andar AtmAkI lagI thI na.

mumukShu- yah sab gurudev mumukShuke Age ullAsase vyakta karate the, usake pIchhe

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unakA bhAv kyA thA?

samAdhAna- apanA hRuday bAhar kahate the. andar bahut rakhA, ab svayam bAhar kahate the. yathAtathya bAt hai, aise bAhar kahate the. aise hI koI bAt svIkAre aise nahIn the. svayam andar parIkShA karake karate, unhen andarase Thos lagA thA. svAnubhUti AdikI sab bAten unhonne

prashna-charchA karake dRuDh kiyA hai. ... vah prashna hai, isase atirikta dUsare kitane prashna pUchhe hain.

prashna-charchAse sAbit kiyA hai. bArambAr pUchhate the. sabhI bAten unhonne

prashna-charchAse dRuDh kI hai. yah sab kahate vakta aisA vichAr AtA thA ki, isamen itane prashna hue hain, ab isamen kyA prashna honge? use kaise sAbit karanA. yah to

prashna- charchAse kuchh hRuday pakaDamen Aye, aisI thI. siddha kare, aise hI kuchh nahIn svIkArate the.

shAstra paDhe to yah sab paDhakar nakkI kiyA ki digambaramen sab yathArtha hai. dUsaremen kuchh idhar-udharakA Aye to isamen yah hai, isameen yah hai, isamen yah kShati hai, sab andarase svayam vichAr karake nakkI karate the. kitanI sUkShmatAse sab dRuDh karate the. sab bAten vah mAn le aisA nahIn thA. ekadam parIkShA (karanevAle the). svAnubhUtike bhI kitane prashna pUchhe hain. rAjakoTamen pUchhe hain, bahut jagah, jAmanagaramen pUchhe hain. bahut bAr pUchhA hai.

mumukShu- yah to Apane Aj hI spaShTa kiyA. hamen to aisA mAlUm thA ki, gurudevane amuk prashna ek bAr pahale pUchhe the.

samAdhAna- itane to hain, dUsare bhI bahut prashna pUchhe hain.

bhagavatI mAtano jay ho!