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mumukShu- tab Ap aisA kahate the ki AtmAmen gnAnashakti aisI hai ki pUrI samajhan karake apanI mahimA lA sake, aisI shakti usamen paDI hI hai. shraddhA bhI aisI hai ki chAhe jo ho...

samAdhAna- shraddhAguN hai vah ananta balase bharapUr hai. pUrA brahmANDa badal jAy to bhI vah usakI shraddhAse Dige nahIn, aisA usamen shraddhAguN hai. apane dravyako grahaN kiyA, aisA grahaN karatA hai ki phir kisIse Dige nahIn. aisA shraddhAmen ananta bal hai.

gnAnamen aisI anantI shakti hai ki svayam antaramense nakkI kare phir use koI badal nahIn sakatA. jAnanevAlA guN aisA hai ki vah sabako jAn sake. jAnanemen nahIn jAnanA aisA AtA hI nahIn. pUrNa jAne aisI ananta shakti gnAnamen bharI hai. aur shraddhAmen bhI vaisA ananta bal bharA hai. gnAnamen bhI aisA ananta bal bharA hai. pratyek shakti ananta balase bharapUr hai. aise ananta balase bharapUr na ho to use guN hI nahIn kahate. anAdiananta vastu jo svayamsiddha hai, usamen jo guN ho vah ananta balase bharapUr hI hote hain.

mumukShu- antamen Apane karuNApUrvak kahA ki pariNati to tujhe hI badalanI hai. yah sab hai, kintu karanA to tujhe hai.

samAdhAna- tujhe svayamko hI karanA hai. pariNati to koI badal nahIn detA, svayam hI badale to hotA hai. vikalpase shraddhA kare, gnAnase jAne, lekin andaramen jo pariNati karanI hai, vah to svayamko hI karanI paDatI hai.

.. Ashray liyA so liyA, vah shraddhAguN svayam aisA hai ki chhUTe nahI. koI use chhuDA nahIn sakatA. gnAnamen bhI aisA bal hai. yathArtha gnAn pragaT ho, us gnAnako koI badal nahIn sakatA. aur lInatA bhI, svarUpakI or jo lInatA pragaT kI, us lInatAko DigAneko koI samartha nahIn hai. svayamke puruShArthakI mandatAse ho to ho, bAkI use koI kuchh nahIn kar sakatA. lInatAkA guN jo andarase pragaT huA, svarUpamen lIn huA, us lInatAko koI nahIn DigA sakatA. gnAyakakI pariNati jo pragaT huyI, use koI badal nahIn sakatA.

svayam apanemen ananta balase bharapUr hai. vaise bAhar gayA to use koI badal nahIn

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sakatA. svayam badale aur svayam gnAyakakA Ashray le to hotA hai. dev-guru-shAstra sab nimitta mahA balavAn hote hain. parantu upAdAn svayamkA hotA hai. yadi svayam taiyAr nahIn ho aur yadi svayam grahaN na kare to nimitta nimittarUpase nimittamen rah jAtA hai. bAkI svayam grahaN kare to hotA hai. puruShArthamen bal AtA hai. vah bal tujhe hI pragaT karanA hai.

... bhAv to andar laganI laganI chAhiye na. dUsarI laganI... bhavakA abhAv kaise ho? laganI to ek hI hotI hai. itane sAl bIt gaye, ab itane sAl bItanemen kahAn der lagegI? aisA hotA thA. pandrah gaye, itane gaye, bIs, pachIs honemen kahAn der lagegI? abhI to kuchh hotA nahIn hai. kyA abhI bhI paribhramaN karanA hai? abhI dukh kyon nahIn lagatA hai? yah sab kyon? yah sab kyA? abhI paribhramaNakI thakAn kyon nahIn lagatI? vibhAvase kaise chhUTanA?

mumukShu- bachapanase hI vahI laganI.

mumukShu- usI prakArake hI vikalpa Ate rahate hain.

samAdhAna- vikalpa nahIn, bhAvanA. bhAvanAke sAth vikalpa to hote hain. bhAvanA us jAtakI, laganI us jAtakI. khAte-pIte, jAgate-sote, svapnamen ek hI laganI, dUsarI koI laganI nahIn thI. kahIn chain nahIn paDe.

vahAn jAtI thI, kabhIkabhAr vAnkAnerake apAsaremen jAtI thI. vahAn bhI jAtI thI. poShA karatI thI, ek-do bAr kiye the. vahAn pUrA din nivRutti mile na? isaliye vahAn baiThatI. apasArAmen ek or kamarA thA, vahAn baiThatI thI. phir bAhar nikalUn tab dUsare koI ho usake sAth bAtachIt karatI. bAkI khAs koI bAt nahIn karatI thI.

mumukShu- kaun-sA darshan satya hai, usIkI jhankhanA thI.

samAdhAna- satya kaun-sA hai? satya kyA hai? gurudev kahate the vahI satya lagatA thA. andarase pahachAnakar, gurudev svabhAv kahate hain vahI satya hai. parantu nirNay karaneke liye vichAr to svayamko Ate hain.

mumukShu- bahinashrI! jAtismaraN kitane sAl bAd huA?

samAdhAna- 1989kI sAlamen huA na, phir 1993kI sAlamen. chAr sAl bAda.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! ek hI vichAr..

samAdhAna- vichAr nahIn Ate hain, vah vichArase thoDe hI hotA hai. vichArase nahIn hotA. andar AtmAmen-svarUpakI lInatA karate-karate sahaj AtA hai, vah koI vichArase nahIn AtA. AtmAkI ekAgratA AtmAmen karate-karate vah bIchamen AtA hai. vichArase nahIn. sahaj A jAtA hai.

mumukShu- ..

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samAdhAna- vah sab bAten karane kahAn baiThI hUn. sab sahaj hai. andar Aye to bAhar.. gurudevakA aur sabakA Aye.

mumukShu- gurudevane hI kahA hai,..

samAdhAna- gurudevane to bahut kahA hai, parantu merI jabAnase nahIn kahanA hotA.

mumukShu- hame to kabhI..

samAdhAna- lekin vah to Ap sabako mAlUm hI hai, nayA kyA kahanA hai?

mumukShu- abhI to bahut bAkI hai, bahan! abhI to ek rUpayamen chAr AnA bhI bAhar nahIn AyA hai.

samAdhAna- gurudevane kahA hai ki gurudev bhagavAn-tIrthankar honevAle hain. vah sab to bAhar AyA hI hai.

mumukShu- bahinashrI! abhI to yahAn aisI bhI bAt chalatI thI ki gurudev sAkShAt padhArate hain.

samAdhAna- sab aisA hI bolate hain. sab bAten hain.

mumukShu- gurudev tIn lokako AhvAn karate hain, aise svapna..

samAdhAna- gurudevako svapna AtA thA. gurudevako svapna Ate the ki main tIrthankar hUn. main tIrthankar honevAlA hUn. aise sab svapna (Ate the). gurudevako OM dhvani svayamko AtI thI. vah unako AtA thA. mujhe to mAlUm bhI nahIn thA ki gurudevako aise svapna Ate hain. mujhe mAlUm nahIn thA. gurudevako to Ate the, mujhe to bAdamen AyA. gurudevako tIrthankar honeke svapna Ate the. pahalI bAr OM vahAn AyA, dUsarI bAr umarAlA aur tIsarI bAr vinchhIyAmen. vinchhIyAmen thoDA jyAdA AyA. pahalI shurUAt vAnkAner, phir umArAlA, phir vinchhIyA.

mumukShu- bahinashrI! kundakundasvAmI to ekadam pratyakSha dikhAI dete honge na.

samAdhAna- jo smaraNamen Aye vah to aise hI Aye na.

mumukShu- munikA svarUp nagna hI hotA hai, usake liye to koI.. vah to ekadam vishvAsapUrvak..

samAdhAna- usakA to koI prashna hI nahIn hai. vah to videhakShetramen dhokh mArga chal rahA hai. munionke jhunD jahAn vicharate hain.

mumukShu- sImandhar bhagavAn kaise virAjate hain.

samAdhAna- sAkShAt sImandhar bhagavAn virAjate hain, bhagavAnakI divyadhvani chhUT rahI hai.

mumukShu- bahinashrI! itanI pratiShThAen huyI, usamen..

samAdhAna- pratimA vaisI laganI to mushkil hai. sAkShAt bhagavAnakI to kyA bAt

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karanI!

mumukShu- phir bhI koI AkRuti vaisI A gayI ho ki itane pratimAjImen yah ek pratimAjI aise lagate hain ki mAno sImandhar bhagavAn ho.

samAdhAna- pAnchasau dhanuShakA deh aur vah AkRuti, sAkShAt bhagavAn jIvant mUrti, vah sab AkRuti AnI mushkil hai. nAsAgra dRuShTi, dhyAn mudrA, divya mudrA, yahAn sonagaDhamen hI vaisI hai. to bhI sAkShAt to sAkShAt hI hotI hai.

mumukShu- phir bhI vAnkAneramen pratimAjI hain..

samAdhAna- videhakShetramen virAjate bhagavAn yahAn thoDe hI A jAte hain. samavasaraNamen virAjamAn, sAkShAt divyadhvani.. lekin vah to jinapratimA jin sarikhA, kahate hain na? jinapratimA bhI jin sarikhA kahalAtI hai.

mumukShu- gurudev kahate the na, bahan to yahAn baiThakar videhake bhagavAnake darshan karatI hai. bharatamen hai ki videhamen hai, bhUl jAtI hai.

samAdhAna- bhagavAnane hI kahA hai ki yah rAjakumAr tIrthankar honevAle hain. bhagavAnakI vANImen AyA hai. tIrthankar jagatamen sarvotkRuShTa hote hain. bhagavAnakI ratnamay pratimAen, aisA jagatamen kudaratI tIrthankarakI pratimAen ratnarUp ho jAtI hain. jagatamen sarvotkRuShTa hon to tIrthankar bhagavAn hI hai.

mumukShu- mangalan bhagavAn vIro, mangalan gautamo gaNI, mangalan kundakundAryo..

samAdhAna- gurudevakA svapna thA, tIn lokako AhvAn karate hain. tIn lokako. tIn lokako kaun AhvAn kare? jo tInalokase UnchA ho vaha. ao re.. Ao! hitake liye Ao! tIn lokako kaun AhvAn kare? gurudevake svapna bhI aise.

mumukShu- jo tIrthankar ho vahI kare na.

samAdhAna- tIn lokako AhvAn kaun kare? .. mArga chalatA hai, vah digambar mArga (chalatA hai). munionke jhunDake jhunD videhakShetramen hain. mujhe mAlUm nahIn thA ki gurudev mAnate hain. unako kahanese kyA lAbh? apane to aisA vichAr Aye. gurudev aise hI thoDA mAn le. gurudevako svayamko hI andar thA ki main tIrthankar honevAlA hUn. bhagavAnakI bAt sunakar utsAh to Aye na. trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, ab kyA chAhiye? utanA utsAh thA.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, ab kyA chAhiye? bhagavAnane kahA tIrthankar honevAle hain. arthAt trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, ab kyA chAhiye?

mumukShu- tIrthankar honevAle hain, aisA mAtAjIne kahA to gurudevako aisA ho gayA..

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samAdhAna- bAhar kisIko nahIn kahate the.

mumukShu- sukh chAhiye, to chaitanyakI mUl Ruddhi sukh hai yA gnAn hai? pUrNa gnAn binA pUrNa sukh hotA nahIn. to sukhake liye gnAnakA AdhAr hai?

samAdhAna- jIv sukhako chAhatA hai. parantu sukhake liye prayojanabhUt gnAnakI AvashyakatA hai. gnAnakI Ruddhi, gnAnaguN mukhya AtmAkA hai. parantu Ruddhike liye prayatna nahIn karanA hai. jIv sukhako chAhatA hai. adhik jAnanA, lokAlok pratyakSha jAnanemen Aye, aisI Ruddhike liye prayatna nahIn karanA hai. gnAnaguN mukhya hai aur jIvakA sukhaguN bhI visheSh guN hai. to bhI gnAn mukhya hone par bhI Ruddhike liye prayatna karanekA mokShamArgamen nahIn hotA.

AtmAko andar chain nahIn paDatI, use dukh hotA hai, isaliye sukhake liye prayatna chalatA hai. gnAnake liye prayatna nahIn hotA, parantu mukhya prayojanabhUt jo tattva hai use jAne. main kaun hUn? yah vibhAv kyA hai? prayojanabhUt jAne to phir usamen jyAdA jAnanekI AvashyakatA nahIn hai. jAnanekI AvashyakatA nahIn hai, parantu shAstramen AtA hai, pahale vItarAgatA hotI hai, phir sarvagnatA hotI hai. pUrNa gnAn honeke bAd pUrNa sukh hotA hai, aisA nahIn hai. pahale vItarAgatA ho, phir gnAn hotA hai. mukhya puruShArtha karanA hai, vah gnAyakako pahachAnakar vItarAgatA pragaT karanekA hai. shraddhAke sAth vItarAgatA pragaT karanI hai. gnAnake liye prayatna nahIn karanA hai. jyAdA jAnaneke liye, Ruddhike liye prayatna nahIn karanA hotA hai.

shAstramen AtA hai, shrImad kahate hain, jise jainakA kevalagnAn bhI nahIn chAhiye, use prabhu kaunasA pad denge? isaliye kevalagnAnake liye prayatna nahIn karanA hotA hai. ek gnAyakako pahachAnakar dRuShTi ek AtmA par rakhakar, mati-shrut, avadhi, manaparyay aur keval, use vRuddhigat karanekI AvashyakatA nahIn hai. vah to bIchamen lInatA nahIn ho tabatak sAdhakadashA hotI hai, tabatak mati-shrut bIchamen AtA hai. kevalagnAn pragaT karun, avadhignAn pragaT karun, manaparyayagnAn, mati-shrut aur kevalagnAn pragaT karun, kevalagnAn pragaT karanekA koI prayatna nahIn hotA hai. us par-kevalagnAn par dRuShTi nahIn hotI.

andar svarUpamen shraddhAke sAth lInatA ho, vItarAgatA ho to sahaj gnAn pragaT hotA hai. Ruddhi par dRuShTi hotI hI nahIn. bAhyakI sab Ruddhi to, "rajakaN ke Ruddhi vaimAnik devanI, sarve mAnyA pudagal ek svabhAv jo.' aur andarakI chaitanya Ruddhi gnAnamen jAne ki AtmAmen koI alaukik gnAn Ruddhi hai, anupam Ananda hai, ananta shaktiyAn hai. parantu sAdhanAmen aise rAgake vikalpa yA aisI lAlasAke vikalpa nahIn hote. use antaramense ek shAnti chAhiye. shAnti kaise pragaT ho? basa. mujhe AtmAmense-svabhAvamense, merA svabhAv kyA hai, aise tattvako pahachAnakar mujhe svabhAvamense shAnti, vItarAgatA, merA gnAn, merA

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gnAyakadev mujhe kaise pragaT ho? aisI usakI bhAvanA hotI hai. use anant shaktiyonke vikalpa aur kaise jyAdA jAnUn, us prakArakA prayatna sAdhakadashAmen nahIn hotA hai. ek AtmAko jAne isaliye sab A jAtA hai. usamen use bAhar jyAdA jAnanekI jarUrat nahIn paDatI.

mumukShu- sukhake liye vItarAgatA..?

samAdhAna- hAn, sukhake liye vItarAgatA. prayojanabhUt gnAn pahale hotA hai. pahale AtmAko jAne. prayojanabhUt gnAn hotA hai. phir usamen sukhake liye vItarAgatAkI jarUrat hai, gnAnakI jarUrat nahIn hai. jo vItarAg ho, usamen sampUrNa shAnti, Ananda, sukh sab usImen-vItarAgatAmen hI hai. prayojanabhUt gnAn hotA hai. gnAnaguN AtmAkA hai, vah to sahaj pragaT ho jAtA hai. vItarAgatA ho isaliye gnAn sahaj pragaT hotA hai. gnAn svako jAne aur (parako bhI jAne). svaparaprakAshak gnAn sahaj pragaT hotA hai. use pragaT karane nahIn jAnA paDatA.

dRuShTiko avalmaban ek gnAyakakA hotA hai. usakI dRuShTi mati, shrut, avadhi, manaparyay, kevalagnAnake bhedamen nahIn rukatI. gnAnamen jAne ki, yah mati, shrut, avadhi kShayopashamagnAnake bhed, kShAyikake bhed (jAne), lekin usamen vah rukatA nahIn. dRuShTimen kisI bhI prakArakA bhed nahIn hotA. sampUrNa vItarAg hotA hai, vah sampUrNa sarvagna hotA hai.

mumukShu- he bhagavatI mAtAjI! samyakagnAnIko nirantar gnAnadhArA hotI hai. upayog bAharamen ho tab bhI bhedagnAnakI dhArA chAlU hai, vah kaise sambhavit hai? yah kRupA karake hamen samajhAiye.

samAdhAna- upayog bAhar ho to bhI gnAnakI dhArA-gnAnakI pariNati rahatI hai. upayog bAhar ho aur pariNati gnAyakakI ho, usamen koI virodh nahIn hai. gnAyakakI dhArA andar chalatI ho. ekatvabuddhi TUT gayI hai aur bhedagnAnakI dhArA vartatI hai. gnAyakakI gnAyakarUp dhArA pratikShaN jo-jo vikalpa Aye, vibhAvakI paryAy ho, to usamen use bhedagnAnakI dhArA (chalatI hI rahatI hai). svayam bhinna hI bhinna, nyArA hI nyArA rahatA hai. dRuShTi ek gnAyak par hai, pariNati gnAyakakI hai. pratikShaN vah bhinna hI bhinna, pratyek kAryamen vah nyArA hI nyArA rahatA hai.

khAte-pIte, sote, svapnamen sabamen vah nyArA hI nyArA rahatA hai. aisI gnAyakakI pariNati rahatI hai. upayog bhale bAhar ho, bAharake kAyAmen ho. bAhar gayA aur bAharakA jAne to andar khaNDa-khaNDa ho jAtA hai, aisA nahIn hai. vah to akhaNDa gnAyak hai. kShayopashamagnAnake kAraN usakA jo mUl svabhAv gnAyak pariNati hai, usamen koI khaNDa nahIn hotA. gnAyakakI pariNati har vakta maujUd hotI hai.

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chAhe jaisA rAjA ho, chakravartI ho, laukik kAyAmen ho, rAjake kAyAmen ho, to bhI pariNati to bhinna nyArI kI nyArI rahatI hai. prashasta bhAvommen ho. chakravartIko baDI pUjA Adike prakAr ho, dev-guru-shAstrakI prabhAvanAkA prasang ho, to bhI usakI pariNati nyArIkI nyArI hotI hai. ekatvabuddhi nahIn hotI. ashubhabhAvase bachaneko shubhabhAvamen juDe to bhI gnAyakakI pariNati to use bhinna hI bhinna hotI hai. gnAyakakI pariNatiko aur upayogako koI virodh nahIn hai. gnAyakakI pariNati chAlU hI hotI hai aur upayog bAhar hotA hai. koI bAr upayog palaTakar svAnubhUtimen jAtA hai aur bAhar Aye, to bhI gnAyakakI pariNati use har samay chAlU hai. usamen use virodh nahIn hai.

mumukShu- bahinashrI! pariNati trayAtmak hai yA gnAnAtmak hai?

samAdhAna- prayAtmak?

mumukShu- trayAtmak-tInon. gnAn, darshan, chAritra tInon pariNatimen hai?

samAdhAna- gnAyakakI pariNati shraddhA, gnAn aur gRuhasthAshramamen Anshik svarUp ramaNatA hai. anantAnubandhIkA jo kaShAy TUT gayA hai, isaliye Anshik svarUpAcharaNachAritra hai. isaliye darshan, gnAn, chAritra (tInon hain). paddhatike hisAbase chAritra nahIn kah sakate, parantu svarUpAcharaNachAritra amuk anshamen lInatA apanemen hai. ekatvabuddhikI lInatA TUT gayI isaliye antaramen gnAyak pariNatikI lInatA Anshik hai. parantu use paddhatike hisAbase chAritrakI lInatA to pAnchavA guNasthAn aur chhaTThA-sAtavAn guNasthAn Aye, tab paddhati-shAstra paddhati anusAr tab chAritra kahalAtA hai. bAkI use lInatA hai, andar gnAyak pariNatimen tInon hain. gnAyakamen shraddhA, gnAyakakA Ashray shraddhAmen, gnAnakA Ashray, gnAn bhI usamen aur lInatA bhI usamen hai.