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samAdhAna- ... nyAl kar diye hain, aisA bolate the. mujhe koI ichchhA nahIn hai, mujhe kisIkA lagAv nahIn hai, mujhe koI AkulatA nahIn hai. yah ek hI karanA hai, dUsarA kyA karanA hai? karanA kyA hai? aisA jorase bolate the. ...

mumukShu- aur yuvAn hokara.

samAdhAna- hAn, ekadama. abhI yahAn sab (hotA) ho, vahAn to puShpashaiyAmen utpanna hotA hai. pUrA sharIr badal jAtA hai. yahAn yAd Aye.

mumukShu- yahAnke sanskAramen bandha bhI vaisA huA ho, vaise hI sanyog dev-guru- shAstrakA (yog ho), vaisA hI bandha use hotA hogA na?

samAdhAna- hAn, us prakArakA. vaisI ruchike sanskAr andarase utpanna hote hain. bhagavAnakA mandir, sImandhar bhagavAnakI vANI sunanekA, aise hI sanskAr andarase utpanna hote hain. use aisI hI vichAr Ate hain. yahAn to mandir Adi kitanA.. har jagah salAh-sUchanA (dete the).

mumukShu- bahut utsAhase dete the. A gayA, aise nahIn.

samAdhAna- vahAn to jo apane sanskAr ho vahI utpanna hote hain. vahAn shAshvat mandir hote hain, bhagavAn hain. sImandhar bhagavAn videhakShetramen virAjate hain. vah sab pratyakSha dikhAI de, isaliye vahAn jAnekA man kare.

gurudevane vaShA tak vANI barasAyI hai. andaramen jo ghaTTa ho jAye, vahI karanekA hai. padmanandI AchArya kahate hain na ki mere gurune jo vANI, jo upadesh jamAyA hai, usake Age mujhe kuchh nahIn chAhiye. yah tIn lokakA rAj bhI mujhe priy nahIn hai, indrapad bhI mujhe nahIn chAhiye. barason tak vANI barasAyI hai. vah jo barason tak jamAyA hai, vah sanskAr lekar jAye vah sanskAr hI andarase utpanna hote hain.

AtA hai, sau indrakI upasthitimen lAkhon-kroDo devonkI upasthitimen bhagavAnane kahA hai ki tU paramAtmA hai. aisI Tep yahAn bajatI hai. tU paramAtmA hai. are..! bhagavAn! Ap paramAtmA ho, yah to nakkI karane do. aisA AtA hai. yahAn Tep bajatI hai na. aise prasang hote hain tab aisI Tep yahAn jorase rakhate hain aur bajatI hai. vah Tep rakhI

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thI.

mumukShu- tU paramAtmA hai, tU paramAtmA hai, tU paramAtmA hai. are..! bhagavAn! Ap paramAtmA ho, itanA to nakkI karane do. ... vah rakhI thI. vahAnse gaye na taba. ... main paramAtmA hUn. use bahut achchhI lagatI thI.

samAdhAna- sau indrakI upasthitike samavasaraNamen lAkhon-kroDo devonkI maujUdagImen bhagavAnane kahA hai ki tU paramAtmA hai. are..! bhagavAn! Ap paramAtmA ho, itanA to nakkI karane do. tU paramAtmA hai, aisA bhagavAn kahate hain. paramAgam mandir par bajatI hai, tab sab jagah sunAyI detA hai.

mumukShu- aisA gunjatA hai na ki mAno gurudev lalakArate ho. gAmvake log sab kahate the. tU paramAtmAvalA bajAo na! vah bahut achchhA lagatA hai.

samAdhAna- pravachanamense utanA alag kiyA hai.

mumukShu- khojakar nikAlA.

samAdhAna- mainne kyA mahenat kI? Tepamen thA. kahA, yah achchhA hai, itanA achchhA hai. ... bhAv parase kah sakate hain ki dev bhav hI hogA, dUsarA nahIn. sansAramenr janma- maraNakA chakra chalatA hI rahatA hai. vairAgya karane jaisA hai. chaturtha kAl thA tab dev Ate the. abhI dev nahIn Ate hain. meDhak hAthIke pair tale kUchal gayA. use bhagavAnakI pUjA karanI thI. dev hokar pUjA karane AtA hai. vah chaturtha kAl thA.

mumukShu- vichAr karen lekin jo bananevAlA ho vahI banatA hai.

samAdhAna- vaisA hI banatA hai. jis kShetramen, jis prakAr, jaise honevAlA ho usI prakArase AyuShya pUrA hotA hai. ... ThIk ho jAye aisI sabakI bhAvanA hotI hai.

mumukShu- .. nirvikalparUpase hotA hai?

samAdhAna- hAn, nirvikalparUpase hai. dravya par dRuShTi nirvikalpapane (hai). shuddhanay kahate hain na? shuddhanaya. bas, vah nirvikalpapane hai aur pramAN bhI nirvikalpapane hai. donon nirvikalpapane hai. bAkI to pramAN asta ho jAtA hai, nayonkI lakShmI kahAn chalI jAtI hai, vikalpAtmak to sab chhUT gayA hai. pramAN asta ho jAtA hai, pramANakA koI vikalpa nahIn hai, nayonkI lakShmI sab chhUT jAtA hai. akelA svarUp hai. usamen dravyakI mukhyatA aur paryAy sAthamen hai. dravya aur paryAy dononkI jo anubhUti hai vah pramAN hai. dravyakI mukhyatAse vah nay hai, basa. bAkI vikalparUpase kuchh nahIn hai.

mumukShu- mukhyatA Ashrayake hisAbase yA jAnaneke hisAbase?

samAdhAna- nahIn, Ashrayake hisAbase. Ashray hai, nirvikalpapane Ashray hai, nirvikalpapane. anAdikI vastu hai, usamen koI Ashray nahIn thA. Ashray use svayamne grahaN

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kiyA hai. vah Ashray vaise hI pariNatirUp rah jAtA hai, nirvikalpapane.

mumukShu- use gnAnamen khyAl hai ki yah rAg hai?

samAdhAna- abuddhipUrvak gnAnamen kuchh pakaDamen nahIn AtA. abuddhipUrvak hai isaliye gnAnamen (pakaDamen nahIn AtA). kevalagnAn nahIn hai isaliye vah abuddhimen hai. bAkI usake vedanamen kuchh nahIn hai. usake vedanamen mAtra svarUpakI anubhUti hI hai, dUsarA kuchh nahIn hai. nahIn vikalpakA khyAl, nahIn hai koI rAg, abuddhipUrvak-buddhipUrvak kuchh nahIn hai. mAtra svarUpakI pariNati, shuddhAtma svarUp pariNati hai. akelA AtmA hI hai, dUsarA kuchh nahIn hai.

dravya, guN aur paryAy usakI pariNati. AnandakI anubhUti hai. ananta guN-paryAyase bharitAvastha AtmA, vah pragaTarUpase shuddha pariNatirUpase pariNamatA hai. abuddhimen hai usakA koI khyAl nahIn hai. vah to svAnubhUtikA ansh pragaT huA, pUrNatA nahIn hai. isaliye vah batAtA hai ki abhI abuddhimen hai. usake vedanamen nahIn hai. usake gnAnamen bhI nahIn hai.

mumukShu- Ashray nirvikalpa pariNatirUp hotA hai. jaise apanA nAm abhI raTanA nahIn paDatA aur ... nirvikalpa pariNatirUpase gnAyak..

samAdhAna- gnAnako raTanA nahIn paDatA, vah dUsarI bAt hai. usake vedanamen vah kuchh nahIn hai. use to Ashray hai, dravyakA Ashray hai. vah alag hai, yah alag hai. dravyakA Ashray hai, amuk vedanakI pariNati hai.

... phir to yAtrAkI bAt kare, mandirakI bAt kare, gurudevakI bAt kare, sab purAnI bAten karate rahe. ... usake sAth unhen sansthAkA utanA ras thA. sansthAkA dhyAn rakhanekA unhen bahut thA. Ap sab dhyAn to rakhate ho, sab rakhate ho. dev-guru-shAstrakA karanekA sabako hai. unhen bahut vikalpa thA.

mumukShu- jo dUradarshitA thI, usamen..

samAdhAna- AtmAkA karane jaisA hai. sansAramen aisA hI hotA hai. gurudevane kahA vah mArga grahaN kar lene jaisA hai. andar jo sanskAr hote hain, vah sab sAthamen Ate hain. panchamakAlamen gurudev mile aur unakA sAnnidhya milA vah mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai. dev- guru-shAstrakI mahimA aur shuddhAtmAkA dhyey, shuddhAtmA kaise pragaT ho? vah karane jaisA hai. bhedagnAn kaise ho? yah panchamakAl hai, usamen gurudev padhAre vah mahAbhAgya. chaturtha kAl gurudev padhAre isaliye ho gayA thA. aur abhI bhI gurudevake mArga par hI chalanA hai. kis prakAr Anandase ... sab bole. ... rAtako karate the, vahI phir subah karate the, aisA karate the. vahAn le jAneke sivA koI upAy nahIn thA.

... prabhAvanAmen puNya ho us prakArase kArya banatA hai. bhAvanA ho to. parantu tere

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pitAjI karate the, kaun jAne us vakta kAl aisA thA ki sab sIdhA-sIdhA ho jAtA thA. gurudevakA prabhAv hai na isaliye. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA aur andar AtmAko pahachAnanA, vah karanA hai. chaturtha kAlamen to muni banakar chal dete the. jangalamen jAkar AtmAkI ArAdhanA karate the aur dhyAn karate the. chhoTe-chhoTe bachche dIkShA lene jAte hain. he mAtA! he janetA! mujhe AgnA de. yah sansAr aisA hai.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- main aisI mAtA puna nahIn karungA.

mumukShu- kolakarAr karatA hUn.

samAdhAna- hAn, kolakarAr karatA hai. ab tujhe nahIn rulAUngA, ab main jA rahA hUn. ham AtmAkI ArAdhanA karenge. is jIvako ananta kAlamen kyA nahIn prApta huA hai? sab prApta ho gayA hai. mAtA kahatI hai, bhAI! tU chhoTA hai. tujhe kAnTe aur kankar lagenge, terA ... tujhe kyA nahIn prApta huA? jagatamen sab prApta huA hai. ab to main AtmAkI ArAdhanA karane jAtA hUn. terA sharIr aisA hai, tujhe upasarga-pariShah Ayenge, garmI-sardI lagegI. to kahatA hai ki, kyA nahIn prApta huA hai? devalok milA aur sab prApta huA hai. ananta bAr sab sAmagrI prApta huyI hai. parantu yah ek nahIn prApta huA. hamen AtmAke svarUpakI ArAdhanA karanI hai, ab yah bhav nahIn chAhiye. bhavakA abhAv kaise ho, yah karaneke liye main jAtA hUn. AtmAkI sAdhanA karaneke liye munidashA angIkAr karatA hUn. ab phirase mAtA nahIn karungA. janma-maraNakA abhAv karane jAtA hUn.

yah janma-maraN sansAramen hote hain, vah jIvako ek vairAgyakA kAraN hai. janma- maraN (hote hain to bhI) jIvako vairAgya nahIn AtA hai. janma-maraN jIvako vairAgyakA kAraN banatA hai.

mumukShu- kShaNabhar lagatA hai. phir bhUl jAte hain. main kal yAd karatA thA, main merI mAnko chhoDane AyA thA, Aj main pitAjIko chhoDane AyA hUn. kal aisA vichAr AyA thA. merI mAnkA ... yAd AtA thA,

samAdhAna- janma-maraN sansAramen ... yah janma-maraN nahIn hote to jIvako vairAgya nahIn AtA. sab shAshvat mAn letA. parantu aisA nahIn hai. andar bhavakA abhAv kaise ho? isaliye mokSha karanA vahI satya hai. mokSha AtmAkI ArAdhanA... vahI satya hai.

mumukShu- us kAmamen lag jAnA.

samAdhAna- bas, vahI kAm karane jaisA hai. are..! aisA sansAr ab nahIn chAhiye. bhavakA abhAv ho vahI sachchA hai. ananta kAlamen sambandha bAndhatA hai aur chhoDatA hai.

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bhavakA abhAv ho vahI satya hai. unakA to bhav parivartan ho gayA. gati achchhI hI huyI hai. kaisI bhAvanA unakI, jIvan paryant kArya, ant samay tak kaise bhAv aur kaise ... unakA rAg rakhakar thoDe rahe the. ve to ... karate the, koI burA bole, kuchh bhI kare.

... shAsanakA sab achchhA hogA. gurudevakA shAsan, vah to mahA tIrthankarakA dravya thA. unake shAsanakA puNya hai. bhale bhAvanA na ho to bahut mushkil lagate kArya ho gaye hain, shAsanakA puNya hai, sab achchhA hogA. bhAvanA ho yA nahIn ho, achchhA hogA. hasamukhabhAIkA ho gayA na.

... kArya the, abhI to amuk... mushkil kArya sab ho gaye hain. ab to sabako AtmAkA karanA hai. dev-guru-shAstrakI prabhAvanA karanI vah hai. svayam svayamkA karanA, sab sabakI jAne. sab karate rahe, apane apanA karanA. yahAn sonagaDhamen... jisako jo karanA ho vah karatA rahe.

mumukShu- itanA salAmat rahe utanA bas hai. samAdhAna- bas, yahAn sonagaDhakA yah tIrthakShetra hai, gurudevakI bhUmi hai. bas, bAharagAmvavAle bhale jo karanA hai karatA rahe. jo karanA hai kare. sonagaDh gurudevakA tIrthakShetra hai, vah aisI UnchA rahe. kisIke sAth rAg-dveSh nahIn karanA hai. ek sonagaDhakA yah hai. sab svAdhInarUpase dev-guru-shAstrakI pUjA, bhakti, svAdhyAy svAdhInarUpase karate hain, aise hI ... karate hain, vaisA hI Tike, basa. koI usamen dakhal kare ki aisA karoyA aisI kriyA karo, phalAnA karo aisI dakhal yahAn chalanevAlI nahIn hai. kriyA karo yA aisA karo, gurudevakA aisA karo, charaN sparsha karate hain, pratikRutiko, phalAneko aisI dakhal nahIn ho. kuchh-kuchh aisA chalatA rahatA hai. sab bolate rahe. sabake gAmvakA sab sambhAle.