Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 4.

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amr̥ut vāṇī (bhāg-2)

(prashamamūrti pūjya bahenashrī champābahen kī

ādhyātmik tattvacharchā)

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upayog bahāramān hoy tyāre dharmātmāne ātmānun vedan chālu hoy te gnānamān pakaḍāy?    9:40   Play

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hān̐, vah to sharīr kiyā karatā hai. sharīr bhinna aur ātmā, donon vastu bhinna hai. vibhāv ākulatā ho lekin vah apanā svabhāv nahīn hai.

prashnaḥ- ho jātī hai.

samādhānaḥ- vah apanā svabhāv nahīn hai. vibhāv svayam hī ākulatāsvarūp hai, vah duḥkharūp hai, usase ātmā bhinna hai. usase ātmā ko bhinna pahichānanā, bhedagnān karanā, usakā prayās karanā, vahī kartavya hai, jīvan men vahī karane jaisā hai. sukh aur shānti usamen hī hai, bāhar kahīn bhī sukh-shānti hai hī nahī̃n.

prashnaḥ- bāhya sukh men mātājī! itanī bhrānti rahatī hai. svādhyāy karate samay lage ki gnāyak men hī sukh bharā hai. lekin bāhar men thoḍe bhī anukūl sanyog mile, isase to achchhā huā, aisī bhrānti men anukūlatā lagatī hai. vibhāv men hī rahanā hotā hai. vah kyon nahīn chhūṭatā hai?

samādhānaḥ- anādi kā abhyās hai, ekatvabuddhi anādi kā anādi kā hai. usase bhinna honā vah svayam prayās kare to chhūṭe. nirantar usakā abhyās karanā paḍe, nirantar, nirantar, nirantar karanā paḍe. to hotā hai. anādi kā pravāh hai usamen dauḍatā

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hai. svayam jānanevālā andar bhinna hī hai. jānanevāle men hī sab bharā hai. vastu hī vahī hai. jānanevālā hai usamen hī pūrā mahattva aur pūrṇa āshcharya bharā hai. bāhar men kahīn bhī āshcharya nahīn hai. lekin usako bāhar men ekatvabuddhi ke kāraṇ doḍ jātā hai, bāhar men āshcharya lagatā hai. bāhar men kahīn bhī āshcharya nahīn hai. āshcharya to andar ātmā hī āshcharyarūp vastu hai, vahī anupam hai. usake jaisā koī nahīn hai. yah sab to parapadārtha hai. jagat men anupam aur āshcharyakārī padārtha ho to ātmā hī hai. usakā bār-bār abhyās, usakī mahimā, usake-tattva ke-vastu ke vichār (karanā). vah nahīn ho tabatak shubhabhāv men jinendradev, guru aur shāstra kī mahim (karanī). bākī andar shuddhātmā, dhyey to ek shuddhātmā kā honā chāhiye. ātmā hī sarvasva hai.

prashnaḥ- gnāyak men ekatvabuddhi kaise karanī? mātājī!

samādhānaḥ- vah to svayam prayās kare to hotī hai, binā prayās hotī nahī̃n. par ke sāth ekatvabuddhi pratikṣhaṇ aisī anādi kī bhrānti ke kāraṇ usake sāth ekamek ho gayā hai. utanā prayās andar apanā svabhāv hai usamen kare to ek kṣhaṇ men ho aisā hai. lekin nahīn ho tabatak usakā nirantar abhyās karanā chāhiye. vah to aise hī chaubīson ghaṇṭe ekatvabuddhi chal rahī hai. bārambār usase bhinna hone kā prayatna kare to hotā hai. dūsare kā main kar sakatā hūn̐ aur merā dūsarā kar sakatā hai, aisī anek prakār kī bhrānti kartābuddha kī, ekatvabuddhi kī anek prakār kī (chalatī hai). usamense main to gnāyak hūn̐, isaprakār gnāyak kī or jhukanā apane hāth kī bāt hai. ruchi kare.

prashnaḥ- mātājī! ek prashna kī mujhe hameshā ulajhan rahatī hai ki anubhūti ke kāl men jab apanī dr̥uṣhṭi vahān̐ hotī hai, usamen ekākār ho, us vakta use par kā bhī gnān hotā hai yā us vakta mātra sva kā hī arthāt main gnāyak chidānand kā hī gnān hotā hai yā par kā bhī sāth men (hotā hai)? us vakta upayog to andar hai, anubhūti ke kāl men, to us vakta par kā gnān (kaise ho)?

samādhānaḥ- par kī or upayog nahīn hai, shuddhātmā kī or upayog hai. svānubhūti.. sva kī or upayog hai isaliye sva kī or kā gnān (hai). par or kā gnān, us or upayog nahīn hai. vah sab use gauṇ ho gayā, chhūṭ gayā hai. par or ke buddhipūrvak ke vikalpa chhūṭ gaye haĩn. us or-par or usakā upayog hī nahīn hai. apanī svānubhūti men upayog hai.

prashnaḥ- sādhakadashā men dr̥uṣhṭi vahān̐ ho lekin sādhakadashā men sva aur par donon

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kā gnān...

samādhānaḥ- svānubhūti ke kāl men nahīn hai. svānubhūti ke kāl men vikalpa chhūṭ gayā isaliye..

prashnaḥ- nahīn, mātājī! anubhūti ke kāl men nahīn aur anubhūtimen-se bāhar āyā us vakta..

samādhānaḥ- us samay to sab gnān hotā hai. vah to apanī gnāyak kī pariṇati bhinna pariṇamatī hai aur usake sāth upayog bāhar jātā hai isaliye sab khyāl hai. sva aur par donon kā jānatā hai. svayam ko gnāyak ko jānatā hai aur vibhāv ko bhī jānatā hai. jo-jo vikalpa āte hain un sab ko jānatā hai.

prashnaḥ- jānatā hai, tadākār (nahīn hotā). mātra gnāyak jānanevālā hai utanā hī samyagdr̥uṣhṭi ko rahatā hai.

samādhānaḥ- ekatvabuddhi nahīn hai, pratikṣhaṇ bhedagnān vartatā hai.

prashnaḥ- anubhūti kāl men svaparaprakāshak ātmā kā gnāyak kā guṇ hai to us vakta paraprakāshak men vah main nahīn, us prakār kā gnān to vartatā hogā na?

samādhānaḥ- us vakta usakā upayog hī nahīn hai. svabhāv to svaparaprakāshak hai hī, lekin vah kārya men nahīn hai, upayog svasanmukh hai aur chhadmastha hai. kevalagnānī ko nirmalatā ho gaī hai isaliye svaparaprakāshak pratyakṣha gnān ho gayā. chhadmastha kā upayog hai vah ek samay men ek hī or kām karatā hai. isaliye svānubhūti ke kāl men jo svaparaprakāshak usakā svabhāv hai, us svabhāv kā nāsh nahīn huā hai. lekin upayog usakā svasanmukh hai. us gnān kā nāsh nahīn huā, vah hai use. labdha men hai, use shakti men hai, nāsh nahīn hota. chhadmastha kā upayog ek samay men ek or hī hotā hai.

sansār kā ras andar ekatvabuddhi toḍakar andar ātmā kī ruchi lage, ātmā kī mahimā lage to hotā hai. ātmā koī apūrva vastu, anupam vastu hai. ananta janma- maraṇ karate-karate manuṣhyadeh mile usamen yah ātmā koī anupam tattva hai. usakī shraddhā pahale to andarase ho. use pahichānane kā prayatna kare to hotā hai. nahīn ho tabatak vichār, vāñchan, dev-guru-shāstra kī mahimā (ātī hai), lekin dhyey ek (hotā hai ki) mujhe ātmā kaise pahichānane men āye? usakī gaharī jignāsā andar karanī chāhiye. bāhar kā ras nyūn ho jāya. andar chaitanya kī mahimā vr̥uddhigat ho to hotā hai.

ananta kālase jīvane bāhya kriyā men dharma mān liyā hai, bāharase dharma mān liyā

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hai, dharma to andar ātmā men hai. svabhāv ko pahichāne to dharma hotā hai. apane svabhāv men dharma rahā hai. dharma bāhar nahīn hai. jahān̐ apanā jānan svabhāv hai, vahīn usakā dharma rahā hai. use pahichāne, usakī shraddhā kare, usakā gnān kare, usamen līnatā kare to mukti kā mārga pragaṭ hotā hai.

... vah sab to bāhar kā hai. andar ātmā ko pahichāne to hotā hai. andar ātmā kī mahimā lage, ruchi lage, ātmā ko pahichāne to hotā hai. andarase bhedagnān kare. sachche guru, sachche shāstra ko grahaṇ kare, usakī mahimā kare. lekin karanā to khud ko hī hai, koī kar nahīn detā. vah sab shubhabhāv hai, lekin jabatak ātmā pahachānā nahīn jāye tabatak ashubhabhāvase bachane ke liye shubhabhāv āte haĩn. dev-guru- shāstra kī mahimā ityādi shubhabhāv āte haĩn. lekin un sabase ātmā bhinna hai andara. svayam prayatna kare to hotā hai. shuddhātmā kaise pahichānā jāy, dhyey usakā honā chāhiye.

koī kisīkā kuchh kar nahīn sakatā. sab ke puṇya-pāp ke uday anusār hotā hai. svayam bhāv kare ki main isakā achchhā karun, bākī usake puṇya-pāp ke uday anusār hotā hai. khud to bhāv karake nimitta banatā hai. bākī sāmanevāle kā uday hotā hai, usake rajakaṇ svatantra hai, sharīr ke, rog ke. vah khud kuchh kar nahīn sakatā, bhāv kare to nimitta hotā hai. kisī bhī dravya kā koī kārya kar nahīn sakatā. yah kyā isamen ātā hai? ātmā kā svarūp kyā? tattva kā kyā, dravya-guṇ-paryāy kā kyā svarūp hai, usakā svādhyāy kare. pañchamakāl men janma lekar mahān upakār kiyā hai. gurudevane sab ko ātmasvarūp kī pahachān karavāī. hindī, gujarātī sabhī ko jāgr̥ut kiye. mahān upakār gurudev kā.

prashnaḥ- us vakta upayog bāhar āyā ho, dharmātmā ko usakā vedan jo chālū rahatā hai vah gnān men pakaḍ men ātā hai?

samādhānaḥ- pakaḍ men ātā hai, barābar pakaḍ men ātā hai. svānubhūtimen-se bāhar ātā hai phir use jo gnāyak kī shuddha pariṇati vartatī hai, vah shuddha pariṇati use barābar pakaḍ men ātī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- vedan pakaḍ men ātā hai?

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, vedan pakaḍ men ātā hai. nahīn pakaḍ men āye to vah sādhakadashā hī nahīn hai.

prashnaḥ- upayog bāhar men hai na.

samādhānaḥ- upayog bāhar hai, lekin andar pariṇati chālū hai.

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prashnaḥ- pariṇati kā vedan hai?

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, pariṇati kā vedan hai. upayog bhale hī bāhar hai, parantu pariṇati kārya karatī hai. khud bhinna hī rahatā hai, upayog bāhar jātā hai to bhī svayam gnāyak kī dhārā bhinna hī (rahatī hai). koī bhī vikalpa āye, vahān̐ upayog bāhar men rukatā hai to bhī ekatvabuddhi ṭūṭ gaī hai, bhedagnān kī dhārā vartatī hai aur gnāyak kī pariṇati bhinna vartatī hai. us pariṇati kā use vedan hai. ānshik shānti-samādhi vartatī hai. pahale kī bhān̐ti ekamek ākūlatārūp nahīn ho jātā, bhinna rahatā hai. us pariṇati kā use vedan hai. usakā upayog bhale hī bāhar hai isaliye khud ko svayam kā vedan nahīn hai yā jān nahīn sakatā, upayog vahān̐ jāye to hī jāne aisā nahīn hai, usakī pariṇati vahān̐ kārya karatī hai.

prashnaḥ- shānti kā vedan use sahajarūpase chālū hī hai aur vah use anubhav men ā rahā hai.

samādhānaḥ- sahajapane chālū hī rahatā hai. nirvikalpa kā ānanda vah ek alag chīj hai, lekin vartamān dhārā men shānti kā vedan usase vartatā hī rahatā hai.

prashnaḥ- mātājī! in donon ke bīch men kyā pharka paḍatā hai? nirvikalpa ke samay jo āhlād kā anubhav hotā hai aur pariṇati men jo shānti kā vedan hotā hai, in donon ke bīch kyā antar hai?

samādhānaḥ- vikalpa chhūṭakar ānanda ātā hai vah ānanda alag hai. vikalpa or kā upayog chhūṭ gayā aur mātra ātmā rah gayā. upayog ātmā men jam gayā aur vah jo ānanda ātā hai, vikalpa chhūṭakar jo ānanda ātā hai, ātmā par dr̥uṣhṭi to thī lekin usamen jo līn ho gayā, vah līn hokar jo ānanda ātā hai vah alag hai. bhedagnān kī dhārā ke bīch savikalpadashā men vah ānanda nahīn hotā. use shānti hotī hai.

prashnaḥ- vah āhlād alag prakār kā hai.

samādhānaḥ- vah āhlād alag prakār kā hai. bīch men jo rahatā hai vah shānti kā vedan rahatā hai. savikalpatā. vah shānti kā jo vedan hai, vaisā shānti kā vedan ekatvabuddhi men nahīn hotā. bhrānti kī dashā men vah shānti kā vedan nahīn hotā. samyagdr̥uṣhṭi ko bhedagnān kī dhārā men jo shānti kā vedan hai, vaisā vedan, vah vedan ekatvabuddhi men, bhrānti men nahīn hotā. vah vedan alag hai. lekin usase bhī jo nirvikalpadashā kā āhlād hai vah āhlād alag hai. vikalpa chhūṭakar jo ātā hai, ākulatā, jo asthiratā thī vah asthiratā bhī gauṇ ho gaī, abuddhipūrvak ho gaī, isaliye asthiratā

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bhī nahīn hai. mātra upayog jam gayā, khud ātmā men ekākār ho gayā. isaliye vah ānanda alag hai. aur savikalpatā men ānshik asthiratā hai. isaliye jitanī dashā bhedagnān kī dhārā kī jo chālū hai us shānti kā use vedan hai.

prashnaḥ- jāt ek hī hai ki alag kahī jātī hai? jāt to ek hī hai na?

samādhānaḥ- jāt māne shānti alag hai. shānti aur ānanda, ye donon alag chīj hai. hai sab paryāy shānti, ānanda kī paryāyen hain, lekin vah ānanda alag hai aur yah shānti alag hai.

prashnaḥ- atīndriy ke samay vah alag prakār kā hai.

samādhānaḥ- vah jāti alag hai. savikalpatā men jo shānti hai usase nirvikalpa dashā kā ānanda alag chīj hai, vah alag hai, ek nahīn hai. yah thoḍā hai aur vah adhik ho gayā, aisā bhī nahīn hai. vah jāti alag hai. anupam hai, jise upamā lāgū nahīn hotī. vah alag hai. mātra ātmā ke āshrayase jo līnatā ātī hai vah alag ātī hai, andar līn hokar ātī hai. vah siddhadashā ke samān ānanda hai. vah alag hai. savikalpatā kī aur usakī jāti donon alag hai. sab ek chāritradashā kī paryāy kahī jātī hai, lekin vah jāti alag hai. vah siddhadashā kā namūnā kahā jātā hai, vah savikalpatā men nahīn hai. vah atīndriy nahīn hai, shānti kā vedan hai, gnāyak kā vedan hai.

prashnaḥ- ātmā men yadi antarmuhūrta sthir ho to sīdhā kevalagnān prāpta kar le, itanā ugra hai. vah ānanda kī jāti bhī alag..

samādhānaḥ- vah ānanda kī jāti bhī alag aur usamen yadi sthir ho jāy, antarmuhūrtasi adhik sthir hove, antarmuhūrta kā hī upayog hai, usamen līnatā baḍhakar chāritra kī or yadi shreṇī jāye to kevalagnān hotā hai. chāritradashā nahīn hai abhī, jo munion kī dashā hotī hai vaisī dashā (nahīn hai). shivabhūti muni ko vah dashā antarmuhūrta men ā gayī to kevalagnān pragaṭ huā. antar men hī yadi chāritra kī dashā ā jāye to ho. lekin use antar men munidashā chāhiye, to kevalagnān hotā hai.

prashnaḥ- samyagdarshan kī bhūmikā men jo shānti kī dhārā chal rahī hai, vah pariṇati atīndriy pariṇati nahīn kahī jātī hai na? indriyādhīn...?

samādhānaḥ- indriyon kī ādhīn vah nahīn hai, khud ke ādhīn hai.

prashnaḥ- atīndriy pariṇati ko atīndriy shabda.. atīndriy pariṇati chal rahī hai, aisā kah sakate hain?

samādhānaḥ- indriyon ke ādhīn nahīn hai, usamen indriyon kā āshray nahīn hai isaliye

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atīndriy kahẽn. use āshray ātmā kā hai, shānti ke vedan ko, use indriyon kā āshray nahīn hai. atīndriy hai, hai atīndriy, lekin abhī usakā upayog bāhar hai na, isaliye jo nirvikalpa dashā kā ānanda hai vaisā ānanda nahīn ātā.

prashnaḥ- kahalāye atīndriy, phir bhī donon ke bīch..

samādhānaḥ- upayog nahīn huā hai na, pariṇati atīndriy hai, upayog nahīn hai, upayog bāhar hai. bāhar upayog men sab āshray chhūṭ jāy, mātra chaitanya men upayog jam jāy to siddhadashā kā ānanda ātā hai.

prashnaḥ- mātājī! muni jo bārambār nirvikalpa nirvikalpa nirvikalpa.. bāhya shubhāshubh bhāv men to itanī tākat nahīn hai, to yah pariṇati-shuddha pariṇati vahan kar rahī hai vah upayog ko lātī hogī na?

samādhānaḥ- shuddha pariṇati svayam kī or upayog ko khīñch letī hai. prayatnarūp dashā usakī chālū hai. shuddha pariṇati jo ānshik pragaṭ huī hai vah pariṇati upayog ko apanī or khīñch letī hai. antarmuhūrta antarmuhūrta men khīñch lātī hai. usakī dashā hī aisī hai ki jyādā ṭik hī nahīn pātā. vikalpa kī dhārā men muni kī pariṇati ṭik hī nahīn pātī. bārabār pariṇati svarūp men jam jātī hai. aisī unakī puruṣhārtha kī dhārā sahaj hai. pariṇati bār-bār upayog ko khīñch letī hai.

prashnaḥ- upayog bāhar men ho tab shuddha pariṇati ko labdha hai aisā kah sakate hain?

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, use labdha kahate haĩn.

prashnaḥ- vaise to gnān men hī labdhapanā hotā hai. labdha aur upayog to pariṇati ko hī...

samādhānaḥ- labdha kah sakate haĩn. lekin vah labdha aisā nahīn hai ki ek or paḍā hai. usakā labdha ughāḍarūp hai. use khyāl men āye isaprakār kārya karatā hai. labdha aisā hai. upayog kī apekṣhāse labdha kahate hain, bākī pariṇati kārya karatī hai. isaliye labdha hai vah khyāl men nahīn āye aisā nahīn hai.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho!

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