Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 34.

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જિસે મોક્ષમાર્ગ પ્રગટ હુઆ હો ઉસકી વાણી નિમિત્ત હોતી હૈ? ઉસ સમ્બન્ધમેં...    0   Play
jise mokṣhamārga pragaṭ huā ho usakī vāṇī nimitta hotī hai? us sambandhamen...    0   Play

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parase aur rāgādise lakṣhya chhūṭatā nahīn aur svabhāvakī or lakṣhya nahīn hotā to kyā karanā?    2:50   Play

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anādise puruṣhārtha nahīn kiyā to puruṣhārtha karaneko ātā nahīn ?    3:50   Play

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ātmā dikhatā nahīn hai, bāhyamen dikhatā hai isaliye bāhyamen man lagatā hai ?    5:20   Play

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pūjya gurudevashrī nishchayanayane mukhya pharamāvatā hatān, jyāre āgamamān kayārek nishchayanayane mukhya ane kayārek vyavahāranayane mukhya darshāve chhe to banne judā- judā kathano pāchhaḷ gnānī dharmātmāono shun marma chhe? te kr̥upā karīne samajāvashe.    6:35   Play

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gnānīne draṣhṭimān ātmā ja rahe chhe to shun ākho divas tyān ja upayog rahe ?    11:35   Play

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samādhānaḥ- .. ātmākā mokṣhakā mārga jisako pragaṭ huā usakī vāṇī usako nimitta hotī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ...

samādhānaḥ- vah vāṇī nimitta nahīn hotī.

mumukṣhuḥ- isaliye jenī-tenī pāse dharma sāmbhaḷavo te pātratā nathī.

samādhānaḥ- jisakī jignāsā ho vah sachche guruko pahachān letā hai. is gurukā upadesh mere ātmākā kalyāṇ karegā. yadi sachchī jignāsā ho to apaneāp pahachān letā hai. ..

mumukṣhuḥ- jo pratyakṣhamen dikh rahā hai ki is upadesh denevāleko ātmānubhūti nahīn hai, to usake upadeshako nahīn sunanā chāhiye.

samādhānaḥ- vah to koī apekṣhāse bāt hai. apane nimitta hotā hai to sachche guru milate haĩn. jisako nahīn milatā hai.... jignāsu, jisane guruke pās sunā hai, apanī pātratā pragaṭ huī hai, aisā koī

mumukṣhu-sachchā mumukṣhu ho to samajhaneke liye vah samajhatā hai, parantu usako guru nahīn mānatā. vah to samajhaneke liye samajhatā hai. sachchā guru nahīn mānanā. svādhyāy karatā hai, sachchā guru nahīn mānanā. ... bāharamen sab lālach ho, use pātratā nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- usakā upadesh sunanā nahī̃n.

samādhānaḥ- usakā upadesh... sachche guruse lābh hotā hai. shāstramen ātā hai, sachche guruse lābh hotā hai. aise guru nahīn milate hain to sādharmī ekadūsareke sāth charchā kare, svādhyāy kare, vichār kare, aisā to karate hī hain āpasamẽn. .. pahachānanā aur sharīrādi bhinna hai use pahachānanā. aisā kahanevāle guru kaun hai, vah ...

mumukṣhuḥ- ..

samādhānaḥ- ... yathārthamen kaun hai vah samajhanā. vyavahārase vaktā, shrotā aisā chalatā hai?

mumukṣhuḥ- ... vahān̐-se lakṣhya chhūṭatā nahī̃n. svabhāvake prati lakṣhya hotā nahī̃n.

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samādhānaḥ- puruṣhārtha karanese hotā hai. anādikī ekatvabuddhi hai. sharīr so main aur main so sharīr hūn̐, aisā abhyās chalatā hai. us abhyāsako toḍanā chāhiye. ... main to bhinna gnāyak hūn̐, yah sharīr to jaḍ hai, kuchh jānatā nahī̃n. main to bhinna chaitanyatattva mahimāvant padārtha anādiananta (hūn̐). bārambār usakā vichār, vāñchan, pratīt, dr̥uḍhatā karanā chāhiye. main to ek gnāyakatattva hū̃n. main to gnāyakadev hūn̐, yah sharīr to jaḍ hai. sharīr aur ātmā donon bhinna haĩn. anādise bhinna hī hai. puruṣhārtha karanā chāhiye.

mumukṣhuḥ- .. kabhī kiyā nahīn hai to usakā svarūp samajhamen ātā nahī̃n.

samādhānaḥ- nahīn kiyā hai to bhī apanā svabhāv hai isaliye ho sakatā hai. puruṣhārtha karake ananta (jīv) mokṣha gaye hain aur ananta (jīvoṅko) bhedagnān huā hai. ātmā hai to kar sakatā hai. apanī anādikī bhūl chalī ātī hai isaliye pramādake kāraṇase nahīn hotā hai.

gurudev kahate the, apanī bhūlase apaneko pahachānā nahī̃n. "nij nayananī āḷase, nirakhyā na harine.' apane netrakī ālasake kāraṇ ātmāko svayam pahachānatā nahī̃n. chaitanyaprabhuko pahachānatā nahī̃n.

mumukṣhuḥ- apaneko pahachānanekā āpane kahā, to apaneko pahachānanekī kis tarahakī prakriyā apanāyī jātī hai?

samādhānaḥ- apaneko pahachānanekī kriyā-gnānasvabhāv hai vah sabako jān letā hai. vah jānatā hai. parako jānaneke liye vah sab karatā hai, apaneko jānanekā prayatna nahīn karatā. jānanekā prayatna karanā chāhiye. gurudevane bahut batāyā hai. shāstramen bhī ātā hai. pramād karatā hai, ruchi nahīn hai, jignāsā nahīn hai, paramen ekatvabuddhi hai, (paramen) sukh mānatā hai, parakī mahimā ātī hai, ātmākī mahimā bhī nahīn ātī. ātmākī mahimā karanī chāhiye, ātmākā svabhāv pahachānanā chāhiye, usakā vichār karanā chāhiye. bārambār usakī ruchi baḍhānī chāhiye. yah sab karanā chāhiye.

mumukṣhuḥ- ātmā dikhatā nahīn, mātājī! bāharakā sab dikhatā hai to bāharakī mahimā ātī hai.

samādhānaḥ- anādise dr̥uṣhṭi bāhar hai isaliye bāharakā dikhatā hai. antaramen dr̥uṣhṭi dekhe to apaneāp dikhāī detā hai. dr̥uṣhṭi bāhar hī bāhar hai. dr̥uṣhṭiko svabhāvakī or le jānī hai. ātmā aisā nahīn hai ki dikhanemen nahīn āye. gnānasvabhāv kisako nahīn jāne? sabako jāne. par jānatā hai, svako nahīn jānatā hai.

svaparaprakāshak gnān hai. gnān to sabakā ananta hai. svaparaprakāshak hai to sabako jānatā hai. puruṣhārtha nahīn karatā hai to nahīn jānanemen ātā. anādise parako jānā, ātmāko

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jānā nahī̃n. ātmāko jānanekā prayatna karanā chāhiye, to jān sakatā hai. bhedagnān karanā chāhiye. sharīr main nahīn, vibhāvasvabhāv merā nahīn hai, main gnāyak hūn̐, aisā prayatna karanā chāhiye.

mumukṣhuḥ- pūjya mātājī! ham hindībhāṣhī mumukṣhuoṅkā yah param saubhāgya hai ki ham pūjya gurudevashrīkī 97 maṅgal janma jayanti mahotsav manānekā pavitra avasar milā hai. yah maṅgal mahotsav ham mumukṣhujīvommen ātmārthītā vikasākar mokṣhamārgamen lagāe, aisā maṅgal āshīrvād chāhate haĩn.

pūjya mātājī! pūjya gurudevashrī nishchayanayako sadā mukhya pharamāte the. aur āgamamen kabhī nishchayako mukhya to kabhī vyavahārako mukhya darshāte hain, to donon bhinna-bhinna prakārake kathanake pīchhe gnānī dharmātmāoṅkā marma kyā hai, yah kr̥upā karake samajhāiye.

samādhānaḥ- gurudevane to bahut spaṣhṭa kiyā hai, gurudevakā param upakār hai. nishchayanay sadā... sādhakajīvako dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi to nishchay sadā mukhya hī rahatā hai. sādhakadashāmen dravyadr̥uṣhṭi mukhya hī hotī hai. isaliye nishchayanayako gurudev mukhya kahate the. aur vastu svarūp aisā hai. jo gurudev kahate the vaisā hī hai. parantu jo shāstramen ātā hai ki kabhī vyavahār mukhya aur kabhī nishchayakī bāt āye to usamen samajhāneke liye hotā hai. jīvoṅko jo anādikā abhyās hai, vibhāvakā abhyās hai isaliye vyavahārakī bāharamen sthūl dr̥uṣhṭi hai, samajh nahīn sakate. isaliye samajhāneke lie vyavahārakī bāt karanemen āye. lekin usamen kahanekā āshay-vastu aur muktikā mārga kyā hai, nishchay par dr̥uṣhṭi kar aisā kahanekā āshay hotā hai. jo ātmārthī hai vah usamense āshay samajh letā hai. jise ātmārthītā nahīn hotī, vah mātra vyavahārako pakaḍ letā hai.

āchāryakā āshay to nishchayanay yānī ātmāko grahaṇ karānekā hī hotā hai. lekin jo samajhate nahīn, vah mātra vyavahār grahaṇ kar lete haiaĩn. āchāryakā kathan to vyavahārako chhoḍakar ātmāko grahaṇ karānekā hī āshay hotā hai. sādhakako nishchay mukhya aur vyavahār gauṇ hotā hai. lekin use samajhāneke liye vyavahārase aisā kahanemen ātā hai ki "bhāṣhā anārya vinā samajhāvī shakāy na anāryane.' anāryako samajhā nahīn sakate. usakī bhāṣhāmen use samajhānemen ātā hai. shāstramen ātā hai ki ātmā shabda kahā. ab, ātmā kise kahate hain, isakā jise gnān nahīn hai, vah samajh nahīn sakatā. isaliye darshan, gnān, chāritrako prāpta ho, hameshāke liye prāpta ho, vah ātmā. aisā kahanemen ātā hai, tab use samajhamen ātā hai. isaliye vyavahārase kathan karanemen ātā hai. use samajhāneke liye. samajhānā hai ātmā, grahaṇ ātmā karānā hai. lekin vyavahārakā kathan bīchamen āye binā nahīn rahatā. isaliye vyavahārase kathan karanemen ātā hai. grahaṇ to

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ek ātmā hī karānā hai. aur svānubhūtikā mārga batānā hai, vastukā svarūp batānā hai.

isaliye nishchay dr̥uṣhṭimen mukhya hotā hai. lekin dravya aur paryāy donoṅkā gnān karānako aur samajhāneke liye vastu svarūp aur ātmāko grahaṇ karāneke liye vyavahārako bhī āchārya bīchamen kahate hain, samajhāneke liye kahanemen ātā hai. vastu svarūp to ātmāko grahaṇ karānekā hī hotā hai. nishchay sadā mukhya hī hotā hai.

abhed ātmāko grahaṇ karanā, usamen guṇabhed ho, paryāyabhed ho, usakā gnān karanā hotā hai. vah samajhe usamen vyavahār bīchamen āye binā nahīn rahatā. lakṣhaṇabhed, gnānakā lakṣhaṇ, lakṣhaṇase ātmāko grahaṇ karanā, gnānasvabhāv ātmā, isaprakār guṇ dvārā guṇīko grahaṇ karānemen ātā hai. aisā vyavahār bhī bīchamen ātā hai. vah svayam āge baḍhee usamen bhī guṇabhed, paryāyabhed bīchamen āte haĩn. isaliye kathanamen bhī āchāryadev use samajhāneke liye, ātmāko grahaṇ karāneke liye bīchamen āye binā nahīn rahatā. isaliye kabhī vyavahārakī bāt karate hain, kabhī nishchayakī bāt karate haĩn. āgamamen ātā hai. lekin dr̥uṣhṭi to use sadāke liye mukhya rahatī hai. aur gnānamen dravya kise kahate hain, paryāy kise kahate hain, sādhakadashā kise kahate hain, sādhya kyā hai, grahaṇ kyā karanā hai aur bīchamen sādhakadashā kaisī hotī hai, yah sab bīchamen ātā hai. isaliye āchāryadev sab bātakā use gnān karāte haĩn. grahaṇ ek ātmāko karanā hai. vastukā svarūp aisā hī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- dr̥uṣhṭimen ātmā hī rahatā hai arthāt kyā? pūrā din vahīn upayog rahatā hai?

samādhānaḥ- upayog vahān̐ nahīn rahatā. lekin usakī dr̥uṣhṭi vahān̐ rahatī hai. upayogamen gnānamen use sab jānaneke vichār āye. guṇabhed, paryāyabhed ādi sab jānaneke liye ātā hai. upayog vahān̐ nahīn rahatā, lekin us par dr̥uṣhṭi, pariṇati us prakārakī hotī hai. dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi sadāke liye hotī hai. main gnāyak hūn̐, main ātmā hū̃n. apanā astitva- jo chaitanyakā astitva hai us usakī dr̥uṣhṭi sadāke liye hotī hai. main gnāyak, aisī gnāyakakī pariṇati (nirantar rahatī hai). yah vibhāv merā svabhāv nahīn hai, guṇabhed, paryāyabhed vāstavikarūpase meremen nahīn hai. usakā svarūp hai, usake guṇ ananta hai, lekin usake bhed par usakī dr̥uṣhṭi nahīn hai. dr̥uṣhṭi ek ātmā par hai. upayog nahīn, lekin dr̥uṣhṭi hī us par tham̐bh gaī hai.

shraddhā aur gnān, donon guṇ bhinna haiaĩn. dr̥uṣhṭi us par tham̐bh gaī hai. upayogamen sab ātā hai. jānanemen sab ātā hai. lekin dr̥uṣhṭi ek gnāyak par hotī hai. us par dr̥uṣhṭi aisī sthir ho rahatī hai ki kahīn bhī upayog jāye to bhī bhedagnānakī dhārā to chhūṭatī

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hī nahī̃n. main gnāyak hūn̐, aisā vikalpa nahīn, parantu sahaj pariṇati hī hotī hai. gnāyakatā- gnāyakatā, use sadāke liye gnāyakatākī pariṇatī chālū rahatī hai. svānubhūtimen ho to bhī gnāyak par jo dr̥uṣhṭi hai vah chhūṭatī nahī̃n. guṇabhed, paryāyabhed svānubhūtimen usake gnānamen āte hain, usake vedanamen ātā hai. guṇ, paryāy usake vedanamen āte hain, parantu dr̥uṣhṭi ātmā parase chhūṭatī nahī̃n. dr̥uṣhṭi sadāke liye us par hī tham̐bhī huī rahatī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- dr̥uṣhṭimen nishchayanay hī mukhya hai aur jānanemen nishchay aur vyavahār donon hote hain?

samādhānaḥ- donon hote haĩn. dr̥uṣhṭimen ek dravya hī mukhya hotā hai aur jānanemen guṇ, paryāy, dravya sab ātā hai. nishchayanay, vyavahāranay, nishchayakā svarūp, vyavahārakā svarūp jānanemen sab ātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ham aisā samajhe to usase ātmākī tīkhī ruchi kaise ho? nishchayase dr̥uṣhṭi apekṣhāse aisā hai aur nishchay-vyavahār gnānamen isaprakār hote hain, usase ātmākī ruchi kaise ho?

samādhānaḥ- jānanese ātmākā svarūp aisā hai, bāharamen kahīn nahīn hai, yah vibhāv merā svabhāv nahīn hai, merā svabhāv ek gnāyak hī hai, yah sab ākūlatā hai, yah sab vibhāv hai, merā svabhāv nahīn hai. main chaitanya ek anādiananta hū̃n. use duḥkh lage, bhavabhramaṇakī thakān lage aur antaramen ek ātmāmen shānti aur ānanda hai, aisī use pratīt ho, ruchi ho to us or ruchi hotī hai ki vastukā svarūp aisā hai. sab meremen hai, bāhar kuchh nahīn hai. sabakuchh meremen hai, yah kaise grahaṇ ho, kaise pragaṭ ho? sab ananta. ānanda ananta, gnān ananta, aise ananta guṇ sab meremen bharā hai. bāharamen kuchh nahīn hai. aur us par-abhed chaitanya par dr̥uṣhṭi karanese, svayaṅkā astitva grahaṇ karanese yah pragaṭ hotā hai. isaprakār nishchay-vyavahārako jānanese svayaṅke chaitanya par dr̥uṣhṭi par jāye. jise jignāsā ho, is bhavabhramaṇakī thakān lagī ho, vibhāvase thak gayā ho, ākūlatā lagatī ho, use usamense upāy mil jātā hai ki ek chaitanya par dr̥uṣhṭi karanese ātmākā sukh aur ānanda pragaṭ hotā hai. svānubhūti pragaṭ hotī hai. yah nishchay hai, yah vyavahār hai. usamen sādhakadashā bīchamen ātī hai. usamen sādhya ek ātmāko grahaṇ karake bīchamen yah sādhakadashā hotī hai. isaprakār nishchay-vyavahārakī sandhiko jāne to use muktikā mārga milatā hai. use us or ruchi jāgr̥ut hotī hai ki bas, apūrva ānanda aur apūrva āshcharyakārī tattva yahī hai, isaliye use grahaṇ karane jaisā hai. isaprakār grahaṇ ho, usakī ruchi ho, aisā sab hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- usamen sāth-sāth upakārī satpuruṣhakī mahimā isīmen ā jātī hai?

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samādhānaḥ- hān̐, usamen ātī hai. jise ātmākā svarūp samajhanā hai, aise dev- guru-shāstra jo samajhāte hain, ātmākā svarūp jo anādise nahīn samajhā hai, use samajhānevāle aise satpuruṣh-gnānī ke prati mahimā āye binā nahīn rahatī. kyoṅki jo ātmākā svarūp samajhāye us par use mahimā ātī hai. kyoṅki anādise jo mārga prāpta nahīn huā hai, vah jo samajhāye us par mahimā āye binā rahatī hī nahī̃n. ātmākā svarūp aisā hai, ananta ānandase bharā apūrva anupam tattva hai, aisā mārga jo darshāte hain, aise guru par, dev par use mahimā āye binā rahatī hī nahī̃n. kyoṅki anādikā anajānā mārga, jo svayaṅko jignāsā hai, vah mārga gurudev batāye aur us bhūmikāmen svayam khaḍā hai, us bhūmikāmen amuk prakārakī bhaktikī bhūmikāmen khaḍā ho to use mahimā āye binā rahatī hī nahī̃n.

jab tak svayanne ātmāko jānā nahīn, isaliye jo samajhāte hain us par bhakti āye binā rahatī hī nahī̃n. dev-guru-shāstrakī mahimā to samyagdarshan prāpta kare to bhī usakī vah bhūmikā hai to dev-guru-shāstra par use bhakti āye binā rahatī hī nahī̃n. kyoṅki vītarāgadashā nahīn hotī tabatak bīchamen prashasta rāgakī bhūmikāmen khaḍā hai isaliye use āye binā rahatā hī nahī̃n. use vah rokate nahīn, lekin bīchamen āye binā nahīn rahatā.

muni ho to muniko bhī bīchamen ātī hai. muni shāstra likhe to prārambhamen jinendra bhagavānako namaskār karate hain, siddha bhagavānako namaskār karate haĩn. munioṅko bhī āye binā nahīn rahatī. vah to bīchamen ātā hī hai. to jisakī jignāsukī bhūmikā hai, jisane mārga jānā nahīn hai, use to āye binā rahatī hī nahī̃n. kyoṅki ek to svayam kuchh samajhatā nahīn aur jo anādikā mārga gurudevane batāyā to un par bhakti āye binā rahatī nahī̃n. kyoṅki anādikā aisā anajānā mārga ki jo svayam kuchh samajhatā nahīn, aisā mārga jisane samajhāyā us par use mahimā ātī hī rahatī hai.

aise pañchamakālamen gurudev padhāre aur aisā mārga batāyā to mahimā āye binā use nahīn rahatī aur ātmākā dhyey use sāthamen rahatā hai ki aisā ātmā hai, vah ātmā mujhe kaise pragaṭ ho? pragaṭ honekā nimitta jo gurudev par, dev-guru-shāstra par bhakti āye binā nahīn rahatī.

mumukṣhuḥ- usamen koī virūddhatā nahīn hai.

samādhānaḥ- virūddhatā nahīn hai. bhaktike sāth ātmākī jignāsāko virūddhatā nahīn hai. donoṅkā sambandha hai. virūddhatā nahīn hai. samyagdarshanakī bhūmikāmen bhī vah hotī hai- dev-guru-shāstrakī bhakti. aur munioṅko bhī hotī hai. usakī bhūmikā anusār hotī

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hai. pūjā ādi kārya nahīn hote parantu unhen bhakti hotī hai. samyagdarshanakī bhūmikāmen use koī virūddhatā nahīn hai ki vah rāgakī bhūmikā hai aur ātmā vītarāg hai, isaliye use vah āye ... vītarāgadashā pragaṭ hotī hai, tab vah chhūṭ jātā hai. parantu vītarāgasvarūp ātmākā hai, lekin use dr̥uṣhṭimen grahaṇ kiyā, ātmā nirvikalpa tattva hai, use dr̥uṣhṭimen grahaṇ kiyā lekin us pragaṭ nahīn huā hai tab tak bīchamen āye binā nahīn rahatī. jo svayaṅko jānanā hai, vah darshānevāle mile un par bhakti āye binā nahīn rahatī. use virūddhatā nahīn hai ki ab andar ātmākā karanā hai, bāharakā kuchh nahī̃n. lekin vah rāgakī bhūmikāmen āye binā rahatā hī nahī̃n. nahīn āye to svayam barābar samajhā nahīn hai. svayam samajhā nahīn hai. andar ātmākā hī karanā hai, bāharakā (kyā kām hai)? lekin bāharake vikalpa use āye binā rahate hī nahī̃n. dūsarā bāharakā kaise ātā hai? vibhāvakī bhūmikāmen dūsare vibhāvake bhāv use aprashasta āte hain to prashastamen palaṭe binā nahīn rahatā. jise ātmākī ruchi jāgī, usake bhāv prashastamen palaṭ jāte haĩn.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho!

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