Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 68.

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mumukṣhuḥ- gurudev samyagdarshanake liye bahut kahate the, samyagdarshan kaise prāpta karanā? mātājī! dūsarā prashna hai, svarūpakā gnān aur shraddhān sāth-sāth chalate hain ki usamen koī kram hai?

samādhānaḥ- svarūpakā gnān aur shraddhā, samyak shraddhā aur samyakagnān donon sāth- sāth haĩn. usamen kram nahīn hai. lekin shuruātamen ātmāko jānaneke liye, main kaun hūn̐? merā kyā svarūp hai? usakā jab nirṇay kare tab vah gnān bīchamen ātā hai. merā gnāyak, merā gnānasvabhāv hai. tab nirṇay kare aur shraddhā bādamen hotī hai, use kram kahate haĩn. vah kram vyavahār hai. vāstavikarūpase shraddhā aur gnānamen kram nahīn hai. sachchī shraddhā ho tab gnānako samyak nām diyā jātā hai. samyak shraddhā hotī hai tab donon sāthamen hī hai. usamen kram nahīn hai. donon sāthamen hai.

jis kṣhaṇ samyak shraddhā hotī hai, usī kṣhaṇ samyakagnān hotā hai. usamen kram nahīn hai. chāritramen kram paḍatā hai. chāritramen kram hai. samyak shraddhā aur samyakagnān donon sāthamen hī haĩn. chāritramen kram hai. sarva guṇānsh so samyagdarshana. samyagdarshan hotā hai to amuk anshamen sarva guṇ nirmal hote haĩn. sarva guṇānsh so samyagdarshana. ātmākā-gnāyakakā avalamban liyā. gnāyakakā avalamban liyā, usakī shraddhā kī to usake sāth gnān bhī samyak hotā hai. shraddhā ek gnāyakako grahaṇ karatī hai aur gnān ātmāko bhī grahaṇ karatā hai, gnāyakako grahaṇ karatā hai, paryāyakā khyāl hai, adhūrī-pūrī paryāyakā khyāl hai. lekin vah sāthamen hī hai.

koī aisā māne ki samyak shraddhā aur gnān huā, pūrṇa dr̥uṣhṭi huyī to usake sāth chāritra-līnatā bhī ā gayī, pūrṇa dr̥uṣhṭi huyī-samyagdarshan huā isaliye sab ā gayā aur sab nirmalatā ho gayī, aisā nahīn hai. usamen chāritrakā kram paḍatā hai. antarmuhūrtamen kevalagnān ho to bhī samyak shraddhā aur gnān sāthamen hote hain aur chāritramen kram paḍatā hai. chāritramen kram hai. samyak shraddhā aur gnānamen kram nahīn hai.

chāritra, sthiratā, līnatā usake puruṣhārtha anusār vardhamān hotā jātā hai. līnatāmen kram paḍatā hai. gnān aur shraddhā ho, isaliye pūrā ho gayā aisā nahīn hai. abhī use


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amuk nirmalatākī shraddhā huyī, parantu nirmalatākī pariṇati jo pūrṇarūpase honī chāhiye vah nahīn huyī. usake liye kram paḍatā hai. vah svarūpamen līnatā karate-karate vah āge jātā hai. āge jātā hai aur usakī bhūmikā baḍhatī jāy, chauthā, pān̐chavā, chhaṭhṭhā-sātavān̐ antarmuhūrta-antarmuhūrtamen svarūpamen jhulatā hai, usamen chāritrakā kram hai. shraddhā-gnānamen kram nahīn hai. donon sāthamen haĩn.

use vyavahārase vichār karake jāne. jāne binā āge nahīn baḍh sakatā. jānaneke liye sab gnān kare, parantu samyak shraddhā hotī hai, tabhī samyakagnān hotā hai. antarmuhūrtamen ek shvāsoshvāsamen agnānī jo karma kṣhay karatā hai, lākh-kroḍ bhav ho, use gnānī antarmuhūrtamen kṣhay karatā hai. antarmuhūrtamen kṣhay kare to gnān aur shraddhā sāthamen hote haĩn. usamen chāritrakā kram hotā hai. lekin shraddhā-gnānamen kram nahīn hotā. use abhī līnatā kam rahatī hai, svarūpācharaṇ chāritra-svarūpamen visheṣh-visheṣh līn honekā prayatna (chalatā hai). shraddhāse jānā ki yah gnāyak vahī main hūn̐ aur koī bhī vibhāv merā svabhāv nahīn hai. rāgādikā main kartā nahīn hū̃n. mere svabhāvakā kartā hū̃n. to bhī alpa asthiratāse asthirat pariṇati hotī hai, usamen rāgādi hote haĩn. isaliye svayam svarūpakī vītarāg dashā pragaṭ karanekā prayatna karatā rahatā hai. vītarāg dashā kaise pragaṭ ho? svānubhūtikī dashā vartamān shuddhi ho, us anusār usakī svānubhūtikī dashā baḍhatī jātī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- samyak shraddhā aur samyakagnān to ekasāth hote hain, parantu usake pahale pūrvabhūmikāmen gnān hote-hote sāthamen shraddhānakā kuchh kām chalatā hai ki nahīn?

samādhānaḥ- gnānake sāth shraddhākā kām chale, parantu use samyak pariṇati yathārtha shraddhā ho tabhī kahā jātā hai. gnāyakakā āshray antaramen yathārthapane āyā aur gnāyakakā ālamban liyā, tab use, yahī gnāyak, to hī use shraddhā kahā jātā hai. shraddhākā kām chale, vichārase nakkī kare ki gnānasvabhāv main hūn̐, yah sab main nahīn hūn̐, aise vichārase nakkī kiyā kare, sachche dev-guru-shāstrakī shraddhā kare, yah gnānasvabhāv so main, aise vichārase nakkī kiyā kare, vah sab shraddhākā kām sāthamen chalatā hai. parantu samyak to gnāyakakā avalban le tabhī kahanemen ātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- aisā nahīn hai ki gnānakā kām chalatā ho aur shraddhā to ek samayamen phaṭākase mithyātva (chhūṭ jāy) aisā nahīn hai.

samādhānaḥ- nahīn, aisā nahīn hai. vichāramen shraddhā hotī hai. parantu vah samyak nahīn kahalātī. gnāyakakā avalamban le tab (samyak kahī jātī hai).

mumukṣhuḥ- mātājī! dūsarā prashna hai. pūjya gurudevashrīkā upadesh jignāsā aur bhāvanāse sunakar, main ek gnāyak hūn̐, sharīr nahīn hūn̐, itanā gnān ho to samyagdarshan huā kahā


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jāy ki nahīn?

samādhānaḥ- gurudevakā upadesh sune. gurudev samyagdarshan kise kahate hain, use samajhanā chāhiye. gurudev mātra, sharīrase bhinna ek gnāyak jānanevālā, utanemen samyagdarshan nahīn kahate the. gurudev samyagdarshanakā svarūp koī apūrva kahate the. ek sharīrase bhinna ātmāko jānā isaliye usamen samyagdarshan ātā nahī̃n. thoḍā karake āge nahīn baḍhatā to thoḍemen bahut mān le to usamen kāryasiddhi nahīn hotī. usamen svayaṅko sukh utpanna nahīn hotā. ho sake to (achchhā hī hai), nahīn ho sake to shraddhā to barābar karanā. jo gurudevane kahā hai ki samyagdarshan antaramen koī alag hai aur koī apūrva hai. shubhāshubh bhāvonse bhinna ātmā hai, use tū pahachāna. usamen jo svānubhūti hotī hai, us pār man-vachan-kāyāse bhinna ātmā, vibhāv bhī usakā svabhāv nahīn hai, usase bhī bhinna andar jāna. to samyagdarshan andar svānubhūti ho to (hotā hai). aisā gurudevane kahā hai.

tujhase ho sake to dhyānamay pratikramaṇ karanā, shāstramen ātā hai. na ho sake to shraddhā to barābar karanā. tujhase āge nahīn baḍhā jāy, to gurudevane jo samyagdarshanakā svarūp kahā hai, usakī shraddhā tū barābar karanā. sharīrase bhinna jānā. sharīr to jaḍ hai aur ātmā jānanevālā hai. isaliye ātmāko jānaneke liye, yah jānanevālā main hūn̐, yah sharīr kuchh jānatā nahī̃n. isaliye main sharīrase bhinna jānanevālā hū̃n. parantu andaramen jo vikalpakī jālake sāth ekatva ho rahā hai, vikalpakā-rāg-dveṣhakā svād kaluṣhit ā rahā hai. vah svād bhinna hai. ātmā jānanevālākā svād bhinna hai aur yah svād bhinna hai. vikalpase bhinna svādabhed karatā nahī̃n. to use abhī bhedagnān huā nahīn hai.

kālījīrī aur shakkar donon mishra ho gaye ho, shakkarakā svād aur kālījīrīkā svād, doko alag nahīn karatā hai to andar bhedagnān nahīn ho sakatā hai. dūdh ek bartanamen ho to bartanase bhinna dūdh hai. bartan bartan hai. lekin dūdh aur pānī mishra hai, vah dūdh aur pānīko bhinna nahīn karatā hai to vah vāstavikarūpase dūdhakā svarūp kaisā hai, use jānatā nahī̃n.

svādabhed andar hai, use bhinna kare to hī usane ātmāko jānā kahanemen āye aur to hī bhedagnān kiyā kahanemen ātā hai. to hī use samyagdarshan hotā hai. donon- shubh aur ashubh, shubhabhāv bīchamen āye, dev-guru-shāstrakī mahimā, shāstra abhyās bīchamen ātā hai, jo prayojanabhūt tattvako jānanekā prayās, jyādā bahut jāne esā nahīn, parantu prayojanabhūt jāne. vah sab bīchamen āye, parantu donon bhāvonse svayam bhinna hai, shubhāshubh bhāv donon kaluṣhit ākulatārūp hai, main usase bhinna gnāyak hūn̐, aisā bhedagnān kare to hī usane sachchā jānā hai. sharīramātrase bhinna jāne to usane bhinna nahīn jānā hai. vah


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ṭhīk hai, sharīr jaḍ aur main bhinna jānanevālā hū̃n. parantu andar vibhāvonse bhinna paḍe to usane vāstavamen bhinna jānā hai, nahīn to bhinna nahīn jānā hai.

gurudevane to kitanā upadesh diyā hai. chāron orase spaṣhṭa kar-karake samajhāyā hai. usamen kuchh bākī nahīn rakhā hai. gurudevane kuchh bākī nahīn rakhā hai. shāstramen ātā hai na ki, mere gurune jo upadeshakī jamāvaṭ kī hai, us upadeshakī jamāvaṭake āge yah tīn lokakā, pr̥ithvīkā rājya bhī mujhe priy nahīn hai, yah tīn lokakā rājya bhī mujhe priy nahīn hai. sab tuchchha hai. aise gurudevane is bharatakṣhetramen janma lekar jo upakār kiyā hai, 45-45 varṣha tak jo upadesh barasāyā hai, us upadeshakī jamāvaṭ svayam andar kare. gurudevane to upadeshakā dhodh barasāyā hai. us upadeshake āge sab tuchchha hai. yah pūrā jagat tuchchha hai. sab tuchchha hai.

ek gnāyak ātmāko pahachāno, vahī upadesh gurudevane diyā hai. is pr̥ithvīkā rājya, āchāryadev kahate hain, tīn lokakā rājya bhī priy nahīn hai. usake āge bāharake vibhāv, sab tuchchha hai. logommen jāhir honā, kisī bhī prakārakā kārya, sab tuchchha hai. mere gurune jo upadesh diyā, usake āge sab tuchchha hai. andaramen gurudevakā upadesh grahaṇ kare to jo unhonne kahā, use pahachāne to usamen samyagdarshan (hokar) bhavakā abhāv ho aur samyagdarshanakī prāpti ho.

mumukṣhuḥ- ... ṭikatā hai to kaise?

samādhānaḥ- pariṇamatā hai, svayam apanā svabhāv ṭikākar pariṇamatā hai. svabhāv ṭikatā rahatā hai, pariṇaman hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- arthāt pūrā dravya to pariṇamatā hai.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, pūrā dravya pariṇamatā hai. svabhāv ṭikakar pariṇamatā hai. do bhāg nahīn ho jāte ki ādhā bhāg pariṇamatā hai aur ādhā bhāg nahīn pariṇamatā hai, aisā nahīn hai. pariṇamatā hai pūrā aur svabhāvarūp sab rahatā hai. apanā svabhāv ṭikakar pariṇamatā hai. pūrā badalakar pheraphār nahīn ho jātā. pūrā ṭikatā hai aur pariṇamatā bhī hai. ṭikatā bhī hai aur pariṇamatā bhī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- dr̥uṣhṭikā viṣhayabhūt aisā jo trikāl pañchamabhāv sadā ekarūp rahatā hai. to vah dr̥uṣhṭi apekṣhit hai yā paramārthase aisā hai? pañchamabhāv dr̥uṣhṭi apekṣhitamen len...

samādhānaḥ- pañchamabhāv pūrā anādiananta hai. vah dr̥uṣhṭikī apekṣhāse nahīn, parantu vastu svabhāvase vah ekarūp hī rahatā hai, pāriṇāmikabhāv to. parantu dr̥uṣhṭike viṣhayamen vah pāriṇāmikabhāv ātā hai. anādiananta hai, vah vastusvarūp hai. apekṣhit yānī pāriṇāmikabhāv apekṣhit hai aisā nahīn, pāriṇāmikabhāv anādiananta hai. dr̥uṣhṭi use pahachān


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letī hai. dr̥uṣhṭikā viṣhay hai. dr̥uṣhṭimen vah jān sakate haĩn. vah dr̥uṣhṭikā viṣhay hai, apekṣhit nahīn hai. dr̥uṣhṭi use viṣhay karatī hai. apekṣhit nahīn hai. dr̥uṣhṭikī apekṣhāse pāriṇāmikabhāv hai aise nahīn, pāriṇāmikabhāv hai aur dr̥uṣhṭi use grahaṇ karatī hai. paramārthase hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ājake aliṅgagrahaṇake pravachanamen āyā thā ki guṇ sāmānya, dravya-guṇ sāmānya hai aur paryāy visheṣh hai. ham log guṇako bhī visheṣh lete hain, vah kis prakārase?

samādhānaḥ- koī apekṣhāse dravya aur guṇako sāmānya kahate haiain aur paryāy visheṣh hai. koī apekṣhāse guṇako bhī visheṣh kahanemen ātā hai. guṇako bhed apekṣhāse visheṣh kahanemen ātā hai. dravyamen bhed nahīn paḍatā. ek-ek guṇ bhinna (hai). gnān, darshan, chāritra aise bhedakī apekṣhāse visheṣh kahanemen ātā hai. aur paryāyako bhī visheṣh kahate haĩn. paryāyabhed paḍate hain, palaṭatī paryāy hai isaliye use bhī visheṣh kahanemen ātā hai. parantu guṇ aur dravya donoṅko sāmānya bhī kahanemen ātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ananta guṇātmak dravya hai,...

samādhānaḥ- ananta guṇātmak dravya. guṇ anādiananta hai. paryāy to badalatī hai. isaliye guṇako aur dravyako donoṅko sāmānya lenā aur paryāyako visheṣh lenā. aur bhed apekṣhāse guṇako bhī visheṣh le sakate haiain aur dravyako sāmānya le sakate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- dravya sāmānyamen abhed...

samādhānaḥ- dravya sāmānya ek lekar, usamen guṇ sāthamen ā jāte haĩn. guṇako bhed apekṣhāse use visheṣh le sakate haĩn. bākī donon anādiananta hain, isaliye donoṅko sāmānya le sakate haĩn. abhed hai, guṇ dravyake sāth abhed hai aur anādiananta hai. isaliye dravyakā viṣhay kare usamen sab guṇ abhedapane ā jāte haiain aur paryāy palaṭatī hai isaliye paryāy visheṣh hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- guṇavisheṣh aise to pragaṭ nahīn hai, phir bhī bhedakī apekṣhāse use visheṣh (kahate hain).

samādhānaḥ- vah bhale pragaṭ nahīn hai, parantu vah bhedakī apekṣhāse visheṣh hai. paryāy pragaṭ hotī hai, isaliye visheṣh kahalātī hai. use bhed apekṣhāse (visheṣh kahate haiain). ek- ek guṇ gnān, darshan, chāritra aise visheṣh hai na? dravya to ek sāmānya lenā. guṇakā bhed paḍe, yah gnān hai, yah darshan hai, yah chāritra hai, yah bal hai, aise bhed paḍate hain isaliye visheṣh hai. bhed apekṣhāse.

mumukṣhuḥ- anant guṇātmak kahen tab sāmānya lenā.

samādhānaḥ- ekarūp dravya hai, anant guṇātmak ek dravya hai. guṇ bhinna-bhinna ṭūkaḍe


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nahīn hai, parantu ek dravyakā hī svarūp hai. isaliye ekarūp hai, dravyake sāth guṇ ekarūp hai. isaliye dravya aur guṇako ek len to sāmānya hai. parantu lakṣhaṇ apekṣhāse bhinna paḍatā hai, isaliye use visheṣh kahanemen ātā hai.

ām lo to usamen usake sab guṇ haĩn. varṇa, gandha, ras, sparsha sab usamen samā jāte hain, isaliye ek abheda. guṇako bhinna nahīn karo to ek ām hai. parantu usake raṅg, ras sabako bhinna karo to vah guṇ bhī visheṣh hai. parantu usakī paryāyen khaṭṭā, mīṭhā, saphed, harā, pīlā vah sab usakī paryāyen hotī haĩn. usakā pariṇaman vah paryāy hai. āmakā jo pariṇaman hai vah paryāy hai. aise darshan, gnān, chāritra usake guṇ haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- nau tattvakī shraddhā hai yā svaparakī shraddhā hai yā svakī shraddhā hai yā sva sāmānyakī hī mātra shraddhā hai?

samādhānaḥ- shraddhāmen sab ā jātā hai. ek sāmānyakī shraddhā, ek dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi, usamen ek ātmashraddhā, tattvakī shraddhā, ek mūl vastu ātmākī shraddhā. vah mūl shraddhā (hai). usake sāth vyavahāramen bhed apekṣhāse sab ātā hai. svaparakī shraddhā. apanī shraddhā, yah main hūn̐ aur yah main nahīn hūn̐, aise svaparakī shraddhā āyī. usamen nau tattvakī shraddhā āyī. dr̥uṣhṭi apekṣhāse ekakī shraddhā. gnān apekṣhāse sab ātā hai. yah apanī shraddhā aur yah par hai, yah main hūn̐, ese svaparakī shraddhā. nau tattvakī shraddhā, vah sab usamen sāthamen ātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- svakī shraddhāmen sab..?

samādhānaḥ- hā̃n. abhed apekṣhāse ekakī shraddhā. usakā visheṣh le to sab shraddhā andar sāthamen ātī hai. jīvakī, ajīvakī, āsrav.. koī apekṣhāse jīvako vibhāv hai, vibhāvase chhūṭ sakatā hai, ānshik shuddhi huyī-samvar, jyādā shuddhi huyī-nirjarā, karmakī orase len to karma aṭak gaye-(samvar), andaramen shuddhi baḍhatī jāy vah nirjarā. pūrṇa shuddhi ho gayī, kevalagnān mokṣha (huā), vah sab shraddhā. sādhak-sādhya sabakī shraddhā sāthamen ā jātī hai, bhed apekṣhāse. andar ek tattva, andar dravya dr̥uṣhṭikī apekṣhāse ek sāmānya abhedakī shraddhā hai. visheṣhamen sab ātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- atīndriyagnānakī prāpti binā, ham indriyagnānavāle bhedamense abhedamen kaise chhalāṅg lagāye?

samādhānaḥ- bhed bhale rahe, parantu abhed svarūp svayam hai nā, koī dūsarā nahīn hai. abhed atīndriy svarūp svayam hī hai, usakī dr̥uṣhṭi bāhar gayī hai. upayog bāhar ghumatā hai isaliye yah indriy, man ādikā ālamban bīchamen ātā hai. parantu main nirālambī tattva hūn̐, usakī shraddhā kare. jūṭhī mānyatā ho gayī hai ki yah par main aur main so


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par, aisā ho gayā hai. shraddhā badal de. ātmākā gnānalakṣhaṇ pahachān le, to usamen palaṭ sakatā hai. nahīn hotā hai aisā nahīn hai. apanā hī svabhāv hai. bāharakā avalamnab lenevālā svayam hī, nirālamb honevālā svayam hī hai. nirālamban svabhāv hī svayaṅkā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- atīndriyagnān nahīn hai phir bhī indriyagnānase bhī vah..
samādhānaḥ- hān̐, bhale indrignān ho, svayam svakī or muḍ sakatā hai.
prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho! mātājīnī amr̥ut vāṇīno jay ho!
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