Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 78.

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mumukṣhuḥ- ... koī saral shāstra aisā ho, jisake liye samay kam ho... saral shāstra koī?

samādhānaḥ- samayasāramen bahut ā jātā hai. samayasār shāstramẽn. aur gurudevake pravachan hain, usamen bhī bahut ātā hai. gurudevane pravachanommen shāstroṅke rahasya khole hain, usamen bahut ātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- pravachan ratnākaramen kitanā āyā hai.

samādhānaḥ- bahut ātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- bahut saralase saral..

samādhānaḥ- saral ho jātā hai. gurudevane bahut shāstroṅke rahasya khol-kholakar saral kar diyā hai saba. mokṣhamārga prakāshak paḍhe to vah bhī achchhā hai. gurudevane bahut vāṇī barasāyī hai. koī shaṅkā na rahe utanā spaṣhṭa kar-karake bahut batāyā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- kholake rakh gaye hain ek-ekako...

samādhānaḥ- ek-ek bātako khol-kholakar batāyā hai, bahut batāyā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- māph karanā, prashna jarā aisā hai ki, mūrti vagairahakā prakaraṇ bīchamen ā jātā hai. isakā thoḍā samādhān āpase ho sake.

samādhānaḥ- kyā kahate hain?

mumukṣhuḥ- yah bhāvi tīrthaṅkarakī jo mūrti hai yahān̐ par, to usakā prakaraṇ ā jātā hai. us sambandhamen āpase kuchh... apanane jo ghātakī khaṇḍakī jo bhāvi mūrti banāyī hai.. ham logoṅko aisī kaṣhāyavālī bāten ā jāte hain,... jaise kī ham tīrtha yātrāmen jāte hain, to log kahate hain ki ye log apane nahīn hai, inako mat ghūsane do.

samādhānaḥ- bhāvi tīrthaṅkarakī pratimā virājamān kī hai na. bhāvi tīrthaṅkar to ghātakī khaṇḍamen bahut hote haĩn. ghātakī khaṇḍamen, jambū dvīpamen, puṣhkar dvīpamen bhūt-vartamān- bhāvi sab tīrthaṅkaron bahut hote haĩn. jaghanyamen bīs aur utkr̥uṣhṭamen to bahut hote haĩn. har kṣhetramen hote haĩn. yahān̐ to bhāvi tīrthaṅkarakī pratiṣhṭhit kī hai. bhāvi tīrthaṅkar to sab

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ho sakate haĩn.

bharat chakravartīne bhūt-vartamān-bhāvi tīrthaṅkaroṅkī pratimā virājamān kī hai. shāstramen ātā hai. bharat chakravartīne virājamān kī hai. bhūt-vartamān-bhāvi tīn kālakī chaubīsīkī pratimā unhonne virājamān kī hai. isamen to sabakā bhāv thā. parantu pratimā to bhāvi tīrthaṅkarakī pratimā virājamān kī hai. usamen koī nām to hai nahī̃n. bhāvi tīrthaṅkarakī pratimā ghātakī khaṇḍakī virājamān kī hai. sab log virodh karate hain to kyā kare? sabako bhāvanā huyī to virājamān kī. sabane virodh kiyā to kyā kare?

mumukṣhuḥ- to virodh kaṣhāyamen jāyegā?

samādhānaḥ- vah to sabakī bāt sab jāne, aur kyā kare? virodh kisamen jāyegā? jisako ātmākā kalyāṇ karanā hai, vah to aisī bāt nahīn karate.

mumukṣhuḥ- us par vajan nahīn denā.

samādhānaḥ- tīrthaṅkar bhagavān to sab kṣhetramen hote haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- bahinashrī! hamako to itanī upasarga jhelanī paḍatī hai ki kahīn bhī jāyen...

samādhānaḥ- .. ādarane yogya hai. jinakī mudrā hai, pratiṣhṭhit nahīn ho to bhagavānakī mudrā bhī ādaraṇīy hai. to yah to vītarāgī pratimā hai. isamen koī anādar karanā achchhā to nahīn hotā hai. bhagavānakī mudrā pratiṣhṭhit nahīn hue to bhī bhagavānakī mudrā hai to usakā anādar nahīn karanā. shāstramen ātā hai, pānīmen le gaye to bhī ashātanā hotī hai. bhagavānakī mudrā to... bhagavānakī mudrā hai, pratimā hai. jineshvar mudrā hai, usamen...

mumukṣhuḥ- dūsare logoṅko matalab jo apanā virodh karate hain, unako kaise samajhāye aisī bāt?

samādhānaḥ- jisako ātmākā kalyāṇ karanā hai... sab bāharakī bātamen sab sabakī jāne. sabakā jhaghaḍā sabake pās raho. apane apanā kalyāṇ karanā hai. aise logoṅko pakaḍakar, jūṭhā āgrah karake koī kare to karane do, kyā kare? apanā kalyāṇ apaneko karanā hai. sabako sampradāyakā bandhan ho gayā.

mumukṣhuḥ- yah bhī ek alag gūṭh ban gayā. usamen bhī gūṭhabājī ho gayī. ye mūrtiko mānanevāle hain...

samādhānaḥ- .. kyā hai koī vichāratā nahīn hai. ... bāt karate haĩn. sabako kriyā ruchatī thī to kriyā karanevāle virodh karate the ki ye muniko nahīn mānate haĩn. yah to kānajīsvāmīko mānate haĩn. ye kriyāko nahīn mānate hain, ye to sab bāt uḍāte haĩn. aisī bāt karate haĩn. satya bāt āve tab sab virodh karate hī hain, hotā hī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- .. bahut bādhāen̐ ātī hai. pūrvamen aise hī..

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samādhānaḥ- kyā kare? akhabāramen sab ātā hai. dūsare gām̐vamen dekho, sanāvadamen, indauramen... usamen virodh kiyā. rathamen bhagavānako, kundakundāchāryakī pratimā virājamān kī to ek or bhītaramen bhagavānakī pratiṣhṭhā huyī aur kundakundāchāryadevakī. khīḍakīmen patthar aur dhamāl huyī. bhagavānakī pratiṣhṭhāmen vighna ḍālā. daravāje toḍ-toḍakar...

mumukṣhuḥ- abhī samayasār nadīmen ḍālate haĩn.

samādhānaḥ- shāstra nadīmen ḍāle to vah kyā hai? shāstroṅkī bhī ashātanā karate haĩn. bhagavānake mandiramen pratiṣhṭhā ho to usakī ashātanā karate haĩn. apanī pakkaḍ grahaṇ kar-karake.... āchāryadevake shāstra hain, koī gharake thoḍe hī hai. shāstrakī ashātanā karate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- ek akṣhar idhar-ūdhar nahīn hai. jinavāṇīkā..

samādhānaḥ- kundakundāchāryakī pratiṣhṭhā karate hain, āchāryadevakī aur bhagavānakī to sabake sar par patthar (māre). kisīko khun nikalā, aisā kiyā thā. kyā kare? yahān̐ chhape hain to gurudevake ho gaye? vah to āchāryadevake shāstra haĩn. āchāyāke shāstra haĩn.

samādhānaḥ- ... āṭhavān̐ dvīp hai, vahān̐ aisā mandir hai. vahān̐ shāshvat jinālay haĩn. kisīne banāyā nahīn hai. kudaratakī rachanā hī aisī hai. jinālay rach gaye haĩn. ratnake jinālay haĩn. nīche sab parvat haĩn. ratikar, añjanagirī ādi parvat haĩn. un parvaton par jinālay haĩn. un jinālayoṅke andar pratimāen̐ haĩn. pān̐chasau-pān̐chasau dhanuṣhake haĩn. aise baḍe- baḍe pratimā. jaise bhagavān samavasaraṇamen baiṭhe hon, vaise hī yah shāshvat (pratimāen̐ hain). samavasaraṇamen (bhagavān virājamān hon) usī tarah bhagavān baiṭhe hote haĩn. kisīne banāyā nahīn hai. jaise patthar kudaratī hai, vaise ratnarūp bane haĩn. pratimāoṅke ākāramen vah ratnakī pratimāke ākār pariṇamit ho jāte haĩn. aise 52 jinālay haĩn. ekamen 108-108 pratimāen̐ haĩn. nandīshvar hai, yahān̐ jambūdvīp hai. dūsarā hai, puṣhkar dvīp, ghātakī khaṇḍa hai. aise āge-āge āṭhavān̐ nandīshvar dvīp hai, vahān̐ shāshvat jinālay haĩn.

vahān̐ manuṣhya nahīn jā sakate hain, dev jā sakate haĩn. meru parvat hai vah jambū dvīpake bīchamen hai. pān̐ch meru hai. usamen bhī shāshvat jinālay haĩn. ratnakī pratimāen̐ haĩn. jaise bhagavān hain, vaisā hī padmāsan, nāsāgra dr̥uṣhṭi (hotī hai), mātra vāṇī nahīn hotī. bākī sab chhatra, cham̐var sarva prakārase bhagavān kamal par virājamān hote haĩn. aisā hotā hai. bhagavānakī rachanārūp arthāt bhagavān jagatamen sarvotkr̥uṣhṭa hain, to kudaratakī rachanā bhī bhagavānarūp kudaratī hotī hai, jagatake andara. vahān̐ mandir hote hain?

mumukṣhuḥ- hān̐, mandir hai.

samādhānaḥ- nandīshvaramen kudaratī shāshvat bhagavān haĩn. pañch parameṣhṭhī bhagavān haĩn. ruchi kaise ho? ātmā jagatamen sarvotkr̥uṣhṭa hai. pañch parameṣhṭhī bhagavān jagatamen sarvotkr̥uṣhṭa haĩn. pañch

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parameṣhṭhī par vaisī mahimā āye aur jaise bhagavān hain, vaisā svayaṅkā ātmā hai. jaise bhagavānake dravya-guṇ-paryāy hain, vaise apane haĩn. aisī ruchi ho, ātmākī mahimā āye, bhagavānakī mahimā āye, sab ho to usamen...

binā vichār kiye mālā kare to usamen to pariṇām kahān̐ jāyeṅge? bhagavānakī utanī bhakti honī chāhiye, pañch parameṣhṭhīkī mahimā honī chāhiye, to pariṇām vahān̐ rahe. ātmākī ruchi nahīn ho, sansārakī ruchi kam nahīn huyī ho, mātra oghe-oghe bāharase apane kuchh kar le, kriyāmātra karatā ho aur pariṇām to kahīn ke kahīn (bhaṭakate ho). andar sab ras paḍā ho. bhagavān par utanī bhakti nahīn ho, ātmākī ruchi nahīn ho (kahān̐se ho)?

mumukṣhuḥ- vichār kare, lekin aisā hotā hai ki yah galat kām hai, apane satya kare. galatamense satya aur shubh-ashubh hī hote rahate haĩn. vahān̐se āge nahīn baḍhā jātā. aisā hotā hai ki yah kareṅge to karma bandheṅge, isase karma chhūṭeṅge, parantu usase āge kuchh nahīn hotā.

samādhānaḥ- ātmākī ruchi andar honī chāhiye. yah sab paradravya hai, shubhāshubh bhāv merā svarūp nahīn hai. main bhinna jānanevālā gnāyak hū̃n. aise ruchi honī chāhiye. ras bāharakā paḍā hai, andar chaitanyakā ras nahīn ātā, usakī mahimā nahīn lagatī.

mumukṣhuḥ- samyakatva sanmukh mithyādr̥uṣhṭikī dashā kaisī hotī hai?

samādhānaḥ- usakā bāharakā lakṣhaṇ to kyā hogā? parantu antaramen use ekadam ātmākī laganī lagī ho. ek chaitanya.. chaitanyake sivā kuchh ruchatā nahīn ho, use andarase bārambār bhedagnānakā abhyās chalatā ho. pudagal sharīr so main nahīn, main ātmā hū̃n. yah vibhāv merā svabhāv nahīn hai. aisā ūpar-ūparase nahīn, parantu use gaharāīse (hotā hai). yah chaitanya svabhāv main hūn̐, yah main nahīn hū̃n. aisā bārambār, use bārambār antaramense aisī khaṭak, aisā abhyās use bārambār-bārambār chalatā hai. ātmāke sanmukh bārambār (hotā ho). ātmā kaise grahaṇ ho? usakī dr̥uṣhṭi bārambār ātmākī or jātī ho. kaise ātmā grahaṇ ho? mujhe ātmā kaise grahaṇ ho? mujhe ātmā kaise grahaṇ ho? usakā gnān ho, usamen līn hoūn̐. kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇamen mujhe ātmā hī pragaṭ ho, dūsarā kuchh nahīn chāhiye, mujhe ek ātmā hī chāhiye. itanā andarase gaharāīse hotā ho. main parapadārthakā kuchh nahīn kar sakatā. mere svabhāvakā kartā main (hūn̐). parapadārthakā jaisā honevālā ho vaisā hotā hai, main to gnāyak gnātā hū̃n. lekin vaisī pariṇati pragaṭ karaneke liye use antaramense gaharāīse khaṭak lagatī ho.

bārambār usakā abhyās, gaharāīse abhyās chalatā ho. ātmā grahaṇ huā ki hogā,

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aisī andar usakī dashā hotī hai. ekadam bhinna kaise hoūn̐? use kahīn ras nahīn hotā. jo-jo vikalpa āve usamen nirasatā lage aur ātmāmen hī ras lage. ātmākā svabhāv kaise grahaṇ ho? usakī sanmukhatā har vakta ātmākī or jātī ho. mujhe ātmā kaise grahaṇ ho? mujhe ātmā kaise grahaṇ ho? bārambār usakī dr̥uṣhṭi, usakā upayog bārambār ātmāko grahaṇ karanekī or usake vichār chalate hain, usakī dr̥uṣhṭi bārambār jātī hai. antar lakṣhaṇ to vah hai ki antarakī pariṇati, usakā hr̥uday bhīgā huā hotā hai. yah sab ras ṭūṭ gaye ho, antaramense ekadam ātmākī gaharī ruchi jāgr̥ut huī ho.

mumukṣhuḥ- svasamvedanakī dashā bārambār ātī hai, unhen kis kāraṇase bārambār ātī hai?

samādhānaḥ- bārambār ātī hai, usakī pariṇati vibhāvase bilakūl... use vikalpamen kahīn ruchatā nahīn hai. kahīn khaḍe rahanekā sthān nahīn hai. usakī pariṇati sabase chhūṭ gayī hai. sab saṅkalpa-vikalpa bāharake (chhūṭ gaye hain). sab kaṣhāy, pratyākhyā, apratyākhyān sab kaṣhāy ekadam kṣhay nahīn hue hain, parantu nahīṅke barābar ho gaye haĩn. mātra sañjvalan hai, ekadam patalā sañjvalana. ashubh to hai hī nahī̃n. vah to sattāmātra hote haĩn. thoḍe- thoḍe uday ho to, vah to ekadam gauṇ (ho gaye hain). unhen upayogamen nahīn āte hain, us prakārake ho gaye haĩn. shubh pariṇati hai to bhī us shubh pariṇatimen bhī bahut rukate nahīn hai. bārambār svānubhūtikī or jāte haĩn. unhen kahīn rukanekā sthān bāharamen nahīn hai.

unhen kahīn achchhā nahīn lagatā hai. andar chaitanyakī sthiratā, līnatā bahut baḍh gayī hai. āhārakā vikalpa āve, vihārakā vikalpa āve, aisā kisīko vikalpa ātā hai. to āhār karate-karate bhī svarūpamen līn ho jāte haĩn. bāharase dikhanemen nahīn ātā. kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇamen līn ho jāte haĩn. unakī vibhāvakī sab pariṇati, sab kaṣhāyoṅki pariṇati itanī ṭūṭ gayī hai ki bāhar upayog kahān̐ khaḍā rahe? upayog khaḍā rahaneke liye koī sthān hī nahīn hai. bāhar upayog kahān̐ ruke? sharīr parase bhī rāg uṭh gayā hai. sharīrako dekhaneko, kuchh sunanekā, bāharakā koī āshcharya rahā nahī̃n. sharīramen dhūp-sardī lage to mujhe kyā? kuchh nahīn hotā, vah to sharīr hai. vah to pudagalako hotā hai. bāharase to sab chhūṭ gayā, bāharase sab ras chhūṭ gaye. itanī ugratā ho gayī, kaṣhāy bilakūl (kam ho gaye), bhītaramen sthiratā itanī baḍh gayī. bāharase ṭūṭ gayā, bhītaramen svarūpakī ramaṇatā itanī jam gayī ki bas, bārambār svarūpamen hī jam gaye. vah sab ṭūṭ gayā aur svarūpamen aise jam gaye, aisī līnatā ho gayī ki bārambār (līnatā ho jātī hai). ek kṣhaṇ bāhar āve to kṣhaṇamen antaramen jāte hain, kṣhaṇamen bāhar āve to kṣhaṇamen antaramen jāte haĩn. itanī bhītaramen ugra līnatā ho gayī hai. bārambār nirvikalpa dashā hotī

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hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- bāḍh ātī hai, gurudev pharamāte the.

samādhānaḥ- hā̃n. itanī bāḍh ātī hai, pravāh ātā hai. bas, ātmā.. ātmā.. ātmā. sonekā vikalpa bhī nahīn, nidrā bhī alpa ho gayī, sab alpa ho gayā. nidrā kaun kare? main to jāgr̥ut hū̃n. nidrā kahān̐ ātmākā svabhāv hai? main to jāgr̥ut svabhāvī hū̃n. aisā ho gayā hai. nidrā bhī ṭūṭ gayī, āhār bhī aisā ho gayā, kahīn vikalpa nahīn rukatā. ātmāmen līnatā ho gayī hai. chaitanyamūrti, main chaitanyamūrti hūn̐, chaitanyamūrtirūp ban gayā. ab kevalagnān le itanī (der hai). kevalagnānakī talahaṭīmen ā gaye haĩn. bas! aisī dashā ho gayī ki bārambār bhītaramen jāte haĩn. aisī munikī dashā hotī hai. līnatā ho gayī hai. antarakī svarūpakī vr̥uddhi hotī jātī hai.

samyagdr̥uṣhṭi gr̥uhasthāshramamen hote hain to bahut parigrah ho to usakā vikalpa hotā hai. ... muniko sab vikalpa ṭūṭ gayā. svarūpamen aisī līnatā ho gayī, aisī līnatā ho gayī. dravyaliṅgī muni sab chhoḍakar jātā hai, vah yathārtha nahīn hai. yahān̐ to svarūpakī līnatā ho gayī hai. vikalpa bhītarase ṭūṭ gayā, svarūpakī līnatā ho gayī hai. bhinna ho gaye, sabase bhinna ho gaye. padārtha to bhinna hai. samyagdarshanamen ānshik bhinna hue the aur munidashāmen atyant bhinna ho gaye haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- vastukā svabhāv vaisā hī ho to svayaṅko kuchh phalavān ho. ātmākā svabhāv gnān, darshan ādi hai, phir bhī usakī paryāyamen jānaneke liye itane puruṣhārthakī āvashyakatā kyon?

samādhānaḥ- svabhāv to aisā hai ki svarūpakī or ḍhale aisā svabhāv hai. parantu anādikā aisā ekatvabuddhikā abhyās ho gayā hai ki usamen jānekā puruṣhārtha (jaldī chalatā nahīn). pratham bhūmikā vikaṭ hotī hai. samajh pīchhe sab saral hai. pratham to ekatvabuddhi itanī gāḍh ho gayī hai ki vah chhūṭanemen usakā ras chhūṭatā nahī̃n. ātmākī or jo jātā hai, samyagdarshan honeke bād to jaise pānīkā pravāh yā nadīmen bāḍh ātī hai to bāḍh bāḍhako khīn̐chatī hai. shāstramen aisā ātā hai ki ātmākā svabhāv pragaṭ ho to hove. bādamen to dauḍakar svarūpakī or jātī hai, parantu pahale ekatvabuddhi hai to durlabh ho gayā hai. ekatvabuddhi anādise aisī gāḍh ho gayī hai.

anādi kāl huā, parantu yadi samyagdarshan hove to bādamen itanā kāl nahīn lagatā. svarūpamen jāneke bād svarūpakī pariṇati svarūpakī or hī jātī hai. puruṣhārtha vaisā hī hotā hai. sahaj puruṣhārtha hotā hai. puruṣhārtha karanemen kaṭhinatā nahīn lagatī. bādamen usako puruṣhārtha karanemen kaṭhinatā nahīn lagatī. sahaj mārga dekhaneke bād apanā svabhāv hai to

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sahajatāse, sahaj puruṣhārthase apanī or jātā hai. pratham bhūmikā jānatā nahīn hai, ekatvabuddhi hai, ātmāko pahachānatā nahīn hai isaliye kaṭhin ho gayā hai. svabhāv hai isaliye sugam hai. antarmuhūrtamen ho jātā hai, jisako hotā hai usako. nahīn hove to anant kāl ho gayā. svabhāv hai to svabhāv svabhāvakī or jātā hai. ek bār samyagdarshan huā bādamen aisā nahīn ho jātā, pahale thā vaisā. bādamen to use avashya mukti hotī hī hai.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho! mātājīnī amr̥ut vāṇīno jay ho!

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