Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 95.

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આત્મા જ એક આશ્ચર્યકારક તત્ત્વ છે તે વિષે.    0   Play
ātmā ja ek āshcharyakārak tattva chhe te viṣhe.    0   Play

સાચો મુમુક્ષુ મહેનત કરતો હોય છે પણ (આત્મા) પ્રાપ્ત કરવાની એવી કોઈ જ્ઞાનકળા છે તે બતાવવા કૃપા કરશો.    4:30   Play
sācho mumukṣhu mahenat karato hoy chhe paṇ (ātmā) prāpta karavānī evī koī gnānakaḷā chhe te batāvavā kr̥upā karasho.    4:30   Play

વૈરાગ્ય સંબોધન    7:20   Play
vairāgya sambodhan    7:20   Play

અબદ્ધસ્પૃષ્ટ આત્માને જાણવો તે જૈનશાસન છે, તે વિષે    9:15   Play
abaddhaspr̥uṣhṭa ātmāne jāṇavo te jainashāsan chhe, te viṣhe    9:15   Play

પ્રમાણજ્ઞાન વિષે    10:35   Play
pramāṇagnān viṣhe    10:35   Play

સ્વસન્મુખ થાય ત્યારે શું પર્યાય હોય છે?    12:00   Play
svasanmukh thāy tyāre shun paryāy hoy chhe?    12:00   Play

...... અમારું વલણ જ્ઞાયક સન્મુખ કેમ થતું નથી તે સમજાવશો.    12:55   Play
...... amārun valaṇ gnāyak sanmukh kem thatun nathī te samajāvasho.    12:55   Play

સમ્યગ્દર્શનની પ્રાપ્તિ સહજસાઘ્ય છે તેમ જ યત્નસાઘ્ય છે તે બંને વાત શાસ્ત્રમાં આવે છે તેનો મેળ કેવી રીતે છે? તે કૃપા કરી સમજાવશો.    14:11   Play
samyagdarshananī prāpti sahajasāghya chhe tem ja yatnasāghya chhe te banne vāt shāstramān āve chhe teno meḷ kevī rīte chhe? te kr̥upā karī samajāvasho.    14:11   Play

પુરુષાર્થની સાચી શરૂઆત કેવી રીતે થાય?    15:30   Play
puruṣhārthanī sāchī sharūāt kevī rīte thāy?    15:30   Play

જ્ઞાન પોતે જ જ્ઞેયાકારરૂપે પરિણમ્યું છે જ્ઞેયના કારણે જ્ઞાન નથી તે વિષે    17:00   Play
gnān pote ja gneyākārarūpe pariṇamyun chhe gneyanā kāraṇe gnān nathī te viṣhe    17:00   Play

samādhānaḥ- ... ātmā shabda bolanā nahīn ātā thā. gurudevane sab ...

mumukṣhuḥ- ham to bāharase āye hain, hamane yah sab sunā.. jo kuchh hai vah gurudev aur āpake (pratāpase hai).

samādhānaḥ- gurudevake pratāpase to itane taiyār ho gaye haĩn. gurudevake pratāpase itane sanskār.. vahān̐ to sab kitane... koī pārasī, koī vhorā, kaise bhāvavāle the.

ātmā āshcharyakārī padārtha hai. jagatamen aisā koī āshcharya nahīn hai. jagatamen koī dūsarā āshcharya māne ki yah to koī adabhut hai, yah dekhanekā adabhut hai, dekhanekā koī pradarshan ho to kahe, yah āshcharyarūp hai, kisīkā makān yā mahel āshcharyarūp hai yā koī vastu āshcharyarūp hai. jagatamen kuchh bhī āshcharya nahīn hai.

āshcharyakārī tattva ho to ātmā hī hai. ātmāmen aisī adabhutatā bharī hai ki jisakā vāṇīse kathan nahīn ho sakatā. aisī adabhut aur āshcharyakārī tattva (hai). ek jo gnān hai, vah gnān ek samayamen sab jān sakatā hai. phir bhī use vajan lage nahīn, boj nahīn lage, svayam svarūpamen līn rahe, bāhar upayog rakhane nahīn jāte. apane svarūpako jānate rahe, svarūpamen hī līn rahe, svarūpase bāhar nahīn jāte. to bhī sahaj ichchhā binā sab ek samayamen jisamen gnāt ho jātā hai. aisā jisakā gnānakā svarūp adabhut!

usakā ānandakā svarūp adbhut! ki jis ānandako jagatake sāth koī mel nahīn hai. koī usake sāth mel kare to usake sāth mel nahīn ātā. aisā ānandakā svarūp hai. jo ek samayamen bhūtakālake, vartamān aur bhaviṣhyake ananta-ananta padārtha, usake dravya-guṇ-paryāy ananta, vah sab ek samayamen gnāt ho, vah ātmākā gnān koī adabhut hai. aur usakā ānanda bhī āshcharyakārī hai. jo ananta guṇase bharā ātmā āshcharyakārī tattva hai ki jo tarkamen āye nahīn, yuktimen āye nahīn, koī dr̥uṣhṭāntamen āve nahī̃n. use samajhaneke liye dr̥uṣhṭānta bhī hote hain, yukti bhī hotī hai, use samajhaneke liye. vah sab hotā hai. usake lakṣhaṇ dvārā pahajānā jātā hai. to bhī usakā jo mūl svānubhūtikā svarūp hai, vah bāharase kisī bhī prakārase vachanamen batā nahīn sakate. koī dr̥uṣhṭāntase

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yā koī vāṇīse yā koī upamāse batāyā nahīn jātā. isaliye ātmākā svarūp koī adbhut evan āshcharyakārī hai.

jagatamen āshcharyakārī tattva ho to dūsarā kuchh nahīn hai. devalokake dev āshcharyakārī (nahīn hai), devalokake mahel āshcharyakārī nahīn hai yā chakravartīkī vibhūtī āshcharyakārī nahīn hai. lekin ek ātmā hī jagatamen āshcharyakārī hai aur yadi usakī āshcharya, adbhutatā evan mahimā āve to jīv vāpas muḍakar use khojaneke liye, use pragaṭ karaneke liye prayatna karatā hai.

vah lakṣhaṇase pahachānā jāy aisā hai. gnānalakṣhaṇ usakā asādhāraṇ hai. isaliye gnānase pahachānā jāy aisā hai. lekin usakā ananta guṇase bharapūr adbhut svarūp, usakī svānubhūtimen jāy aur andar samāye to pahachānā jāy aisā hai. bhedagnān dvārā aur andar svabhāvako pahachānanese vah pragaṭ ho sake aisā hai. isīliye kahanemen ātā hai na ki tū dūsarā sab āshcharya chhoḍ de. bāharakā kuchh bhī āshcharya (nahīn hai). bāhar dekhanekā āshcharya nahīn hai, parantu antaramen tū tujhe dekhe. usīmen sab āshcharya bharā hai. upadesh dvārā, upadesh dekar ātmākā svarūp batāyā hai. aur vahī karane jaisā, vāstavikarūpase to vahī hai aur dhyey ek hī honā chāhiye, shuddhātmā kaise pragaṭ ho. jabatak pragaṭ na ho tabatak yah sab shubhabhāvamen dev-guru-shāstrakī mahimā ādi hotī hai aur andar shuddhātmā kaise pragaṭ ho, yah dhyey hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- sachchā mumukṣhu hai vah mahenat bhī karatā hai, lekin aisī koī gnānakalā hai ki jo abhī hamen najaramen-lakṣhyamen nahīn ātī. prekṭikalī batā sakate ho? ... vah sab to bahut sunā, sab mumukṣhu prayatna bhī kar rahe hain, phir bhī aisī koī gnānakalā hai ki jo sāmānya mumukṣhuke liye asādhya hai.

samādhānaḥ- prayatna karate hain, lekin prayatnamen kṣhati hai. gnānakalā, gnān gnānako pahachān sakatā hai. use to gurudevane vāṇīmen bahut samajhāyā hai. gurudev kuchh gupta nahīn rakhate the. ve to jitanā spaṣhṭa ho sake utanā spaṣhṭa kar-karake samajhāte the. gnānakī kalā to antaramen svayam gnānase gnānakī kalā svayam pragaṭ kar sakatā hai. mumukṣhukā andarakā bhāv aur josh, usakā josh hī usakā mārga kar detā hai. dūsarā koī mārga nahīn karatā, mārga gurudev batāte haĩn. gurudevane mārga bahut spaṣhṭa kiyā hai. lekin antaramen svayaṅkā josh aur svayaṅkī tamannā ho to vah svayaṅke puruṣhārthase hī mārga nikalatā hai. bāharase nahīn ho sakatā.

gnānakī kalā andaramen svayam hī pragaṭ kar sakatā hai. gnānasvarūp so main, yah bolanemen āye, lekin andar kaise pragaṭ karanā vah svayaṅko bākī rah jātā hai. vah sab sthūlatāse

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karatā hai ki main gnān hūn̐, gnān hū̃n. lekin andar ūtarakar andar jo svayaṅko utsāh ānā chāhiye aur gnān hī main, aisā dr̥uḍh nishchay karake niḥshaṅkatāse gnānarūp-gnāyakatārūp svayaṅko pariṇamanā chāhiye, vah karatā nahīn hai isaliye usakī bhedagnān kalā pragaṭ nahīn ho rahī hai. "bhedavignān jagyau jinhake ghaṭ'. vah bhedagnānakī kalā svayam hī pragaṭ nahīn karatā hai. andar jise lagī ho use hī pragaṭ hotī hai. andar sahīrūpase lagī hī nahīn hai aur sahī prayatna karatā hī nahīn hai. lage to pragaṭ hue binā rahatā nahī̃n. apanā svabhāv hai, pragaṭ na ho aisā banatā hī nahī̃n. svayam hī hai, svayanse koī dūr nahīn hai. svayam hī hai aur svayaṅke samīp hī hai. parantu svayaṅko lagī nahīn hai, andar sahī rūpamen pānī pīnekī pyās lage to vah pānīko khoje binā rahatā hī nahī̃n. andar kharī lagī hī nahīn hai. svayam ātmā hī hai na. na samajhamen āye aisā nahīn hai. vichār karake svabhāvako barābar vichārase nakkī kare to samajhamen āye aisā hai. jignāsāse, laganīse.

... hotā hai tab jīv ekadam chalā jātā hai, kuchh mālūm nahīn paḍatā. ātmā bhinna hai, ātmā ekadam chalā jātā hai. manuṣhyajīvanamen jo ātmākā kiyā hotā hai, vah apanā hai, bākī sharīr aur ātmā bhinna hai. maraṇ hotā hai tab to ātmā ekadam chalā jātā hai. gati karake chalā jātā hai. jabatak āyuṣhya hotā hai tabatak rahatā hai, bākī chalā jātā hai. dūsarā bhav dhāraṇ karatā hai. jo bhāv yahān̐se lekar gayā ho usake anusār bhav dhāraṇ karatā hai. parantu bhavakā abhāv karanekā mārga gurudevane batāyā hai. vahī mārga grahaṇ kare to bhavakā abhāv ho. is janma-maraṇase chhūṭ jāya. janma-maraṇ karate-karate ananta kālase aise janma-maraṇ karatā rahatā hai. usamen koī upāy nahīn rahatā hai. chāhe jitane upāy kare to bhī vah kām nahīn āte. ye to ekadam chale gaye. bākī koī upāy kare to bhī kuchh kām nahīn ātā. jab āyuṣhya pūrṇa hotā hai, tab ekadam jīv chalā jātā hai. usamen ātmākā kare.

gurudevane bhavakā abhāv honekā mārga batāyā. ananta kālamen aise gurudev mile, milanā mushkil hai. pañchamakālamen mile aur bhavakā abhāv honekā mārga batāyā. vah mārga grahaṇ karane jaisā hai. bas, sabako vahī karane jaisā hai. jo unhonne kiyā vahī sabako karanā hai. manuṣhya jīvanamen ātmā kaise pahachānamen āyā? shāshvat ātmā hai usakī sharaṇ grahaṇ kare to bhavakā abhāv hotā hai. shubhabhāvamen dev-guru-shāstrakā sharaṇ aur andar ātmākā sharaṇ grahaṇ karanā, jīvanamen vahī shreyabhūt hai.

samādhānaḥ- ... aur vahī yathārtha jinashāsan hai. jisane ātmāko jānā usane sab jānā. ek ātmāko jānanese sab jān letā hai. usamen pūrā muktikā mārga ā jātā hai. abaddhaspr̥uṣhṭa ātmāko jānā. ātmā bandhā nahīn hai, ātmā kisīse sparshit

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nahīn hai. kamalakī bhān̐ti alipta hai. vastu svabhāvase ātmā sarva prakārase use koī vibhāv lāgū nahīn paḍatā. vastu svabhāvase vah shuddha hai. aise shuddhātmāko jisane jānā. paryāyamen hotā hai, paryāyakā use gnān hotā hai. usakī sādhanā taiyārī hotī hai. dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi karake andarase svānubhūtikī dashā pragaṭ hotī hai. vah satya jinashāsan kahanemen ātā hai. satya jinashāsan use hī kahate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- āpane to bahut spaṣhṭīkaraṇ karake samajhāyā..

samādhānaḥ- sab samajhāyā hai, gurudevane pūrā mārga prakāshit kiyā hai. gurudevane jo vāṇī barasāyī hai, vah koī apūrva hai. aur gurudevake hī sab bhakta haĩn. gurudevane jo kahā hai vahī sabako kahanā hai. gurudevakā param upakār hai. gurudevane hī sab samajhāyā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- dūsarā ek chhoṭā prashna hai, pramāṇagnānake anshako nay kahate hain aur nayagnān trikālako pragaṭ huyī shuddhiko evan ashuddhiko jānatā hai. vah gnānakā svaparaprakāshakapanā hai yā svaparaprakāshak kāraṇ?

samādhānaḥ- svaparaprakāshak hī hai, usakā svabhāv hī svaparaprakāshak hai. svaparaprakāshakā kāraṇ nahīn hotā. svaparaprakāshak gnān to svaparaprakāshak hī hai. pramāṇagnān hai vah svaparaprakāshak hai. aur usamen nay to ek ansh hai. nay hai vah svayam gnānakā ek ansh hai. dr̥uṣhṭi dravya par rahatī hai aur sāthamen jo gnān hai vah gnān svako, parako sabako jānatā hai. gnān svayaṅko jānatā hai, gnān parako jānatā hai, gnān bāhya gneyoṅko jānatā hai, gnān vibhāvako jānatā hai, gnān svabhāvako, ananta guṇoṅko, gnān sabako jānatā hai. gnān svayam svaparaprakāshak hī hai. svaparaprakāshakakā kāraṇ nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- vāh! bahut sundar! alaukik!! mumukṣhuḥ- .. paryāy gauṇ hotī hai, us vakta paryāy hotī hai kyā? yah kr̥upā karake samajhāiye.

samādhānaḥ- svasanmukh hotā hai tab? dravya mukhya hī hotā hai. dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi hotī hai. dravya mukhya aur paryāy gauṇ hotī hai. paryāy kahīn chalī nahīn jātī. paryāy to hotī hai. svānubhūtimen bhī paryāy hai. svānubhūtimen paryāy chalī nahīn jātī. paryāyakā to vedan hotā hai aur dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi hotī hai. paryāy gauṇ hotī hai, lekin paryāyakā vedan hotā hai, paryāy chalī nahīn jātī. gnānamen donon hai. vastu aur paryāy donon gnānamen (rahate hain). dr̥uṣhṭimen paryāy gauṇ hotī hai, paryāy chalī nahīn jātī, paryāyakā nāsh nahīn ho jātā. paryāy hotī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- he mātā! pūjya gurudevashrī tathā āp bārambār gnāyak shuddhātmākī mahimā samajhāte ho. hamen sunate samay gnāyakakī mahimā ātī hai, parantu hamārā jhukāv gnāyak

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sanmukh kyon nahīn hotā hai? hamāremen kyā kṣhati rahatī hai? kyā kachās hai? yah kr̥upā karake samajhāīye.

samādhānaḥ- shuddhātmākī or jhukāv nahīn hotā hai, (isaliye) kachās to hai hī. svayaṅkī ruchikī kachās hai, puruṣhārthakī kachās hai, svayaṅkī laganīkī kachās hai. kachāsake kāraṇ āge nahīn baḍhatā. apanā hī kāraṇ hai, anya kisīkā kāraṇ nahīn hai.

gurudevane vāṇīkī itanī varṣhā kī hai. svayam apanī or nahīn jātā hai, usakā kāraṇ svayaṅkā hī hai. svayam aṭakā hai. "potānā nayananī āḷase re, nirakhyā nahīn harine jarī'. apanī ālasake kāraṇ dekhatā nahīn, use dekhanekā āshcharya nahīn karatā hai, use dekhanekī andar laganī nahīn lagī hai. isaliye apanā hī kāraṇ hai. apanī ālasake kāraṇ, apanī ruchikī mandatāke kāraṇ svayam aṭakakar khaḍā hai. kisīkā kāraṇ nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- antim prashna hai, shuddhātmākī prāpti yānī ki samyagdarshanakī prāpti sahaj sādhya hai, aisā shāstramen ātā hai aur prayatna sādhya hai aisā bhī shāstramen ātā hai. to in donoṅkā mel kaise hai, yah kr̥upā karake samajhāīye.

samādhānaḥ- donoṅkā mel hī hai. sahaj sādhya hai. vastu svabhāv hai, vah sahaj hai. vastu svabhāvako kahīnse lānā nahīn paḍatā ki vastu svabhāv nahīn hai aur pragaṭ hotā hai. jo svabhāvamen hai vahī pragaṭ karanā hai. isaliye sahaj sādhya hai. aur apane puruṣhārtha binā hotā nahīn, vah koī kar nahīn detā, svayam pariṇatiko palaṭe to hotā hai. pariṇati palaṭe binā hotā nahī̃n. sahaj bhī hai aur puruṣhārtha bhī hai. apane svabhāvamense pragaṭ hotā hai, sahajapane hotā hai. parantu vah prayatnase hotā hai. donon hai.

vastukā svabhāv... jo chāvalakā svabhāv hai, usamen jo svabhāv hai vah pragaṭ hotā hai. āmake bījamen jo svabhāv hai, vah pragaṭ hotā hai. lekin vah sahaj svabhāvako pragaṭ kare, puruṣhārthase-prayatnase pragaṭ karatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- hamāre puruṣhārthakī kachās hai.

samādhānaḥ- puruṣhārthakī kachās hai. sahaj hai andar sab bharapūr hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- puruṣhārthase sachchī shurūāt kaise karanī?

samādhānaḥ- sachchī shurūāt.. apanā hr̥uday hī kah detā hai ki yah sachchī shurūāt hai. apanā hr̥uday yathārtha kah detā hai. yathārtha ruchivantako andarase shānti hotī hai. jise yathārtha nahīn āye, use tabatak sukh nahīn lagatā. use shānti lage nahī̃n. jise yathārtha ho, use yathārtha shānti aur sukh lage ki merā prayatna sachchā hai. aur vichār karake

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main jo gnāyakako grahaṇ karatā hūn̐, vah barābar hai. usakā hr̥uday antarase kabūl karatā hai. jo ūpar-ūparase anyathā karake puruṣhārtha mān le vah alag bāt hai. bākī sachche ātmārthīko sachchemen hī santoṣh hotā hai. sachche ātmārthīko thoḍemen santoṣh hotā nahī̃n. vah jabatak na ho tabatak dev-guru-shāstrakī mahimā, vah karanā hai. shāstrakā chintavan, gnāyak kaise pahachānā jāy, yah karanā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ... gnān gnānākār rūp hai. gneyako jānane prati vaise gnānākārarūp gnān svayam huā hai. gneyakā usamen kuchh nahīn hai.

samādhānaḥ- gnān gnānarūp pariṇamatā hai. gney use gnāt nahīn karavātā, gnān gnānase jānatā hai. usamen gneyakā kuchh nahīn hai arthāt gneyake kāraṇ gnān jānatā hai, aisā nahīn hai. gnān gnānase jānatā hai. gney use gnāt karavāye ki tū mujhe jānā, aise balāt gney kuchh nahīn karatā. gnān gnānase hī jānatā hai. gnān svayanse jānatā hai. svayaṅko jānatā hai, apane dravya-guṇ-paryāyako jānatā hai, lokālokako jānatā hai. gnān svayam svayanse jānatā hai. svatantra jānatā hai, gneyake kāraṇ gnān jānatā hai, aisā nahīn hai. agnānadashāmen ekatvabuddhi ho rahī hai, isaliye māno gneyake kāraṇ main jānatā hūn̐, aisī buddhi viparīt buddhi hai.

main gnāyak hūn̐ aur main jānanevālā gnāyak hūn̐, lekin gneyase bhinna hū̃n. bāharakā kujh gnāt hī nahīn hotā hai, aisā usakā artha nahīn hai. kevalagnān sab jānatā hai. sādhak dashāmen anek prakārake gnān hote hain, us gnānamen sab gnāt hotā hai. nahīn jānatā hai aisā nahīn hai. lekin bhinna rahakar jānatā hai. yah samajhanā chāhiye.

nishchay aur vyavahār, usakī sandhi kaise hai, vah samajhanā chāhiye. dravyadr̥uṣhṭikī mukhyatāmen sab gauṇ hotā hai. parantu usamen vyavahār hai hī nahīn, aisā ho to ātmā sarvathā shuddha hī hai. to use shuddhatā karaneke prayatnakā avakāsh nahīn rahatā hai. shuddha dravyadr̥uṣhṭise hai, parantu paryāyamen ashuddhatā hai. isaliye usakā use khyāl rakhanā hai, usase bhinna hokar shuddha paryāy kaise pragaṭ ho, usakī sādhanā karanī bākī rahatī hai. isaliye nishchay- vyavahārakī sandhi kaise hai, yah samajhanā.

main gnāyak hūn̐, mujhase svayam gnāyak hū̃n. gneyake kāraṇ gnāyak hūn̐, aisā nahī̃n. parantu gney hai us gneyako main jānatā hī nahīn, aisā usakā artha nahīn hai. us par rāg nahīn karatā hai, usase bhinna paḍatā hai, parantu svayam pariṇati lokālok prakāshak aisā gnānakā svabhāv hai. gnānakā aisā svabhāv hai (ki) anantako jāne. lok, alokako jāne, sabako jāne. usamen yadi maryādā ā jāy ki itanā jāne aur inatā na jāne to vah gnān svaparaprakāshak kaise kahalāye? gnān ananta.. ananta.. ananta jitanā hai sab

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jānatā hai. bhūtakāl ananta vyatīt huā, jo paryāyen abhī vyatīt ho gayī, un sab paryāyoṅko jānatā hai. vartamānako jānatā hai, bhaviṣhyamen kyā hogā use jānatā hai. aisī gnānakī ananta-ananta shakti hai. bhūt, vartamān, bhaviṣhyako jānanekī. vah itanā hī jāne to usakī shaktikī maryādā ā gayī. isaliye gnān ananta jāne aisā usakā svabhāv hai. isaliye donon apekṣhāen̐ samajhanī hai. vyavahār hai, lekin vyavahār koī vastu hī nahīn hai, aisā usakā artha nahīn hai. nishchay-vyavahārakī sandhi kaise hai, vah bhī samajhāte haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- nishchay-vyavahārakī sandhikā matalab? samādhānaḥ- dravyadr̥uṣhṭikī apekṣhāse sab shuddha hai, bhedabhāvakī apekṣhāse sab gauṇ ho jātā hai. parantu usamen gnāyak svayam gnāyak hai. lekin usamen paryāyamen ashuddhatā nahīn hai, aisā nahīn hai. aur gnān, darshan, chāritra aise guṇ lakṣhaṇabhedase hain, vastubhedase nahīn hai. yah sab, usake bhed kaise hain, usakī paryāy kaise hai, usamen gney-gnāyakakā sambandha kaise hai aur kaise nahīn hai? yah sab samajhanā hai. (yah) nishchay-vyavahārakī sandhi (hai).

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho! mātājīnī amr̥ut vāṇīno jay ho!

 

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