Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (itrans transliteration). Track: 113.

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ghor ja.ngalame.n si.nh, bAgh dahADate ho, aise ghor ja.ngalame.n khaDe hai.n. din aur rAta. nahI.n nidrA lI hai, aise ... hai.n, nahI.n pAnI pIyA yA nahI.n AhAr liyA. kaise aDig hote hai.n!

mumukShuH- vaname.n bhI kaisA lagatA hogA? kAmadev...

samAdhAnaH- koI dev khaDe hai.n aisA lage. .. jaise sta.nbh khaDA ho aisA dUsaro.nko lage.

.. utanA vikalpa hai isaliye thoDA-thoDA j~nAn thoDA-thoDA baDhatA jAy aisA nahI.n hai ki thoDA-thoDA j~nAn baDhatA jAya. ek sUkShma vikalpa hai isaliye thoDA j~nAn bAkI rahatA hai. jitanA sUkShma, jitanA yahA.N rukA utanA vahA.N j~nAn bAkI rahe aisA nahI.n hai. itanA vibhAv kam ho gayA isaliye jitanA kam huA, jitanI vItarAgadashA huyI utanA yahA.N kevalaj~nAn eva.n pratyakSha j~nAn huA aur ab thoDA ek vikalpa rahA isaliye thoDA bAkI hai, aisA nahI.n hai. itanA bAkI hai, utanA a.nsh bAkI hai to vahA.N sab bAkI hai. vahA.N itanA huA aisA nahI.n hotA. tabatak parokSha j~nAn hai. pratyakSha j~nAn nahI.n hotA.

... upayog hai, vah a.ntarmuhUrtakA upayog hai isaliye samayakA... utanA hI(vibhAv) bAkI hai to ab utanA hI j~nAn bAkI hai, aisA nahI.n hai. yahA.N itanA vibhAv ruk gayA to vahA.N pUrA (bAkI rahA hai). (vibhAv) itanA hI (bAkI) hai, vahA.N to pUrA kevalaj~nAn bAkI hai.

... samyagdarshaname.n bhI aisA hai. sarva prakArase yathArtha shraddhA pUrNa nahI.n hotI hai to thoDA manda paDatA gayA hai utanA samyagdarshan hotA hai, aisA nahI.n hai. jitanA abhI bAkI hai, pUrNarUpase spaShTa nahI.n ho jAtA, tabatak samyagdarshan nahI.n hotA.

... kevalaj~nAn ho, bas vah to ek ... tabatak kuCh kAm Aye aisA nahI.n hai. aise andar vibhAg nahI.n paDate. thoDA pratyakSha aur thoDA nahI.n. shraddhA aur AcharaN hai, lekin j~nAnakA upayog ... hai. lekin vah pratyakSha j~nAn nahI.n kahalAtA. use to usake sAth utanA hI sambandha hai ki itanA bAkI hai tabatak pratyakSha j~nAn nahI.n hotA. ... to samyagdarshan nahI.n hotA hai. vah to AcharaN hai. pUrA bAkI rah jAtA hai. jis


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kShaN vItarAgadashA (hotI hai), usI kShaN kevalaj~nAn (hotA hai). jabatak vItarAgadashAkI kShati, tabatak kevalaj~nAn nahI.n (hotA).

... a.ntar kam hotA jAy to thoDA-thoDA samyagdarshan hotA jAy, aisA nahI.n hai. jis kShaN use ChUTakar yathArtha ho usI kShaN (samyagdarshan hotA hai). thoDA-thoDA hotA jAy aisA nahI.n hai. usake pahale vichArarUp, bhAvanArUp shraddhA kahate hai.n. samyak kahalAtA nahI.n, samyak pariNati nahI.n kahalAtI. jabatak samyakatAme.n kShati hai, vah spaShTa samyak nahI.n kahalAtA. vahA.N par AcharaNakI kShati hai. AcharaNakI kShati hai tabatak dUsare AcharaName.n rukA hai ... pUrNatA nahI.n hai. usame.n pUrNatA nahI.n hai to usame.n pUrNa j~nAn bhI nahI.n hai. aTakA hai.

samAdhAnaH- ... karane jaisA yahI hai, dUsarA kuCh karane jaisA nahI.n hai. sa.nsArame.n kisI bhI prakArakA vibhAvame.n sukh nahI.n hai. bAharame.n kahI.n sukh nahI.n hai, parapadArthame.n sukh nahI.n hai. andarame.n svaya.nko aisA nakkI ho aur AtmAkI ruchi ho ki AtmAme.n hI sab hai, sarvasva hai, kaise pahachAname.n Aye? AtmAkI or ruchi ho to usake sAth tattva chi.ntavan, AtmA kaise pahachAname.n Aye? AtmAkA kyA svarUp hai? AtmA kis svarUp hai? dravya kyA hai? guN kyA hai? paryAy kyA hai? use kaise pahachAnU.N? usakI ruchi ho to tattva chi.ntavan chale. tattva chi.ntavanake liye andarakI ruchi chAhiye. aur tattva chi.ntavan jyAdA nahI.n chale to shAstra svAdhyAy kare aur usame.nse vichAr kare. gurudevane kyA kahA hai? kyA mArga batAyA hai? us mArgakA svaya.n vichAr kare, tattva chi.ntavan kare. AtmAkA kyA svarUp hai? dravya-guN-paryAy kyA hai? yah vibhAv kyA hai? svabhAv kyA hai? mokSha kyA hai? mokSha kaise pragaT ho? gurudevane kyA kahA hai? is prakAr tattva chi.ntavan svaya.nko ruchi ho aur pahachAnanekI svaya.nko lagan ho to tattva chi.ntavan hotA hai. tattva chi.ntavan andar binA ruchike nahI.n hotA. ruchi baDhAye to tattva chi.ntavan bhI sAthame.n chale. aur usake liye gurudevane kahA hai, vichAr kare, shAstrakA svAdhyAy kare to usame.nse vichAr chale.

karanekA mArga to ek hI hai ki bhedaj~nAn karake kaise Age baDhanA? AtmAkA kyA svabhAv hai? vibhAv apanA svabhAv nahI.n hai. usase svaya.nko bhinna karanekA prayatna kare. parantu AtmAko pahachAne to tattva chi.ntavanase ho. vah nahI.n ho tabatak shubhabhAvame.n dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA hotI hai. a.ntarame.n shuddhAtmA kaise pahachAnA jAy? usakI ruchi honI chAhiye. shuddhAtmA to bhinna hI hai. shuddhAtmA bhinna hai, nirvikalpa svarUp hai, vah kaise pahachAname.n Aye? usakA vichAr kare to hotA hai.

mumukShuH- ...


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samAdhAnaH- pramod bhI svaya.nko AtmAkI mahimA Aye to hotA hai. bAharama.n kahI.n mahimA nahI.n hai. koI chIj, vastu bAharakI koI mahimA karane yogya nahI.n hai. bAhya padArtha koI AshcharyabhUt nahI.n hai. yah devalok Adi bAhya padArtha ananta bAr prApta hue hai.n. vah koI navIn nahI.n hai. navIn to ek AtmA hI mahimAva.nt hai. aisA svaya.nko nakkI ho to AtmAkI mahimA Aye.

ananta kAlame.n jIvako sab prApta ho gayA hai, ek AtmA nahI.n prApta huA hai, ek samyagdarshan prApta nahI.n kiyA hai. samyagdarshan hI koI alag apUrva vastu hai. aisA svaya.nko nakkI honA chAhiye. devalokake dev,... vahA.N ananta bAr janma dhAraN kiyA hai, bAharame.n rAjA Adi huA hai, vah sab koI sukharUp nahI.n hai, vah koI mahimArUp nahI.n hai. vah to sab parapadArtha hai. aisA svaya.n nakkI karake Ananda AtmAme.n hI bharA hai. AtmA koI AshcharyakArI vastu hai, aisA nakkI kare to hotA hai. samyagdarshan anAdi kAlase pragaT nahI.n huA hai. vah koI apUrva vastu hai. svaya.n nakkI kare to hotA hai.

mumukShuH- vah kaise ho?

samAdhAnaH- usakI lagan lage to pahachAn hotI hai. vichAr kare. gurudevane kyA kahA hai? usakA vichAr kare, prayatna kare to hotA hai. use nakkI karanA chAhiye ki yah sharIr to bhinna hI hai, kuCh jAnatA nahI.n hai. andar jAnanevAlA koI alag hI hai. andar jAnanevAlA tattva ek vastu hai. yah vibhAv sab AkulatArUp hai. sab bhAv AkulasvarUp hai. usase (bhinna) nirAkul tattva andar jAnanevAlI koI vastu hai. usame.n Ananda bharA hai. usakI pahachAn, svaya.nko usakI jij~nAsA ho to hotI hai. jij~nAsAke binA nahI.n hotI. tadartha shAstrame.n kyA AtA hai? gurudevane kyA kahA hai? sabakA vichAr kare to hotA hai. jAnanevAlA tattva andar koI alag hai. vah jAnanevAlA hai. sirpha j~nAnamAtra nahI.n hai, ananta mahimAse bharI j~nAyak vastu hai.

mumukShuH- ..

samAdhAnaH- pratikUlatAke samay vichAr karanA ki mai.n to AtmA hU.N. yah pratikUlatA mere AtmAme.n nahI.n hai. mai.n to ek chaitanya hU.N. pratikUlatA mere AtmAko koI nukasAn nahI.n karatI hai. vah to bAhya puNya-pApakA (uday hai). anukUlatA, puNyakA uday ho to anukUlatA hotI hai, pApake udayase pratikUlatA hotI hai. anukUl-pratikUl sab bAhya sa.nyog hai. andar AtmA to bhinna hai. vah pratikUlatA AtmAko aDachanarUp nahI.n hai. chAhe jaisI pratikUlatA ho, chAhe kuCh bhI ho to bhI AtmA andarase bhinna rahakar shAnti rakh sakatA hai. svaya.n svata.ntra hai. mai.n jAnanevAlA j~nAyak hU.N. mere AtmAme.n vah nahI.n hai. andar rAg-dveSh hote hai.n, vah merA svabhAv nahI.n hai to bAhya pratikUlatA merA svabhAv


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kaise ho sakatA hai?

munio.n, chAhe jaise upasargame.n shAnti rakhakar AtmAkA dhyAn karake AtmAme.n Age baDhakar kevalaj~nAnakI prApti karate hai.n. vah pratikUlatA AtmAkA svarUp nahI.n hai. AtmA usase bhinna hai, aisA vichAr karanA.

mumukShuH- bhakti karate vakta AtmAkA kAm sAthame.n kaise ho?

samAdhAnaH- dev-guru-shAstrakI bhakti karate vakta AtmAkA kAm sAthame.n hotA hai. jo jinendra devane kiyA hai, jo AtmAkA svarUp mahimAva.nt hai use bhagavAnane prApta kiyA hai. guru usakI sAdhanA karate hai.n. aur shAstrame.n usakA svarUp AtA hai. usakI mahimA Aye ki karane jaisA to yahI hai. jo bhagavAnane pragaT kiyA hai, jo guru sAdhanA karate hai.n, isaliye vahI Adarane yogya hai. jise gurukI mahimA Aye use AtmAkI mahimA Aye binA nahI.n rahatI.

jaisA guru karate hai.n, vaisA mujhe kaise prApta ho? aisI ruchi hue binA nahI.n rahatI. sAthame.n AtmAkA hotA hai. guru kyA kah gaye hai.n? guru aisA kahate hai.n ki tU tere AtmAko pahachAna. tU bhagavAn jaisA hai. gurukI Aj~nAkA pAlan kiyA kab kahA jAy? ki guru jo kahe usakA andar vichAr kare to. anAdi kAlase ananta kAlakA yah paribhramaN karate hue yah manuShya deh milatA hai. usame.n aise guru pa.nchamakAlame.n mile, (jinho.nne) mArga batAyA. deshanAlabdhi ananta kAlase... aisA nimitta-upAdAnakA sambandha hai. ananta kAlame.n jIv pratham bAr samyagdarshan prApta kare to koI jinendra dev athavA guru sAkShAt milate hai.n, tab use andar deshanA prApta hotI hai. aisA nimitta-upAdAnakA sambandha hai. karatA hai svaya.nse, upAdAn svaya.nkA hai. usake sAth AtmAkA ho sakatA hai. unakI bhakti Ane par vichAr kare ki mai.n bhI unake jaisA hU.N. jaise bhagavAn hai.n, vaisA mai.n hU.N. bhagavAn aisA kahate hai.n ki tU mere jaisA hai. tU andar dekha. bhagavAnake upadeshame.n bhI aisA AtA hai.

gurudev bhI aisA hI kahate the ki tU bhagavAn jaisA hai. tU pahachAna. tU sharIrase bhinna jAnanevAlA j~nAyak hai. aise gurukA upadesh kyA hai, gurukA upadesh grahaN kare to a.ntarame.n svaya.n apane AtmAko pahachAn sakatA hai. aisA nimitta-upAdAnakA sambandha hai. bhakti kare to nahI.n ho aisA nahI.n hai. dev-gurukI mahimA usakA sAdhan banatA hai. vah nimitta aur upAdAn apanA hai. vah to mahA prabal sAdhan hai. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA, sachche dev-gurukI mahimA prabal nimitta hai. AtmAko prApta karanekA mahA sAdhan hai. upAdAn svaya.n kare to hotA hai.

samAdhAnaH- .. aisA hai, j~nAniyo.nkI jo nishchay dR^iShTi huyI hai, unhe.n jo udayakAl hotA hai, vah udayakAl unhe.n maryAdAme.n hotA hai. unake udayakAl aise nahI.n hote hai.n


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ki unakI sajjanatA ChoDakar unake udayakAl nahI.n hote hai.n. unake udayakAl amuk maryAdit hote hai.n. jise AtmAkI lagI, jise andarase svAnubhUti aur j~nAyak dashA pragaT huyI, bhedaj~nAn (huA), unake udayakAl aise hote hai.n ki gR^ihasthAshramame.n ho to unakI sajjanatA ChoDakar aise udayakAl nahI.n hote. aur usame.n puruShArtha kAm nahI.n karatA hai arthAt vah visheSh Age nahI.n jA sakate. parantu usakA puruShArtha ve svaya.n karate hai.n, usake j~nAtA rahate hai.n. parantu unhe.n khed rahatA hai ki mai.n Age nahI.n baDh sakatA hU.N. bAkI unakI sab pariNati maryAdAke bAhar nahI.n hotI.

jo laukikame.n shobhA na de aisA unakA vartan nahI.n hotA. aisA nahI.n hotA. unakA vartan ekadam vairAgI vartan (hotA hai). unhe.n khed hotA hai ki is udayame.n mai.n khaDA hU.N. lekin isI kShaN ChUTA jAtA ho to mujhe yah kuCh nahI.n chAhiye. chakravartI gR^ihasthAshramame.n rahate the, parantu unhe.n andarase khed, vairAgya hotA thA ki mai.n ChUT nahI.n sakatA hU.N. yah udayakAl (aisA hai). bAkI usame.n puruShArtha kAm nahI.n karatA hai aisA nahI.n. unakI dashA aisI hotI hai ki ve haTh karake Age nahI.n jAte hai.n. unakA sahaj puruShArtha chale, us puruShArthase hI Age baDhA jAtA hai. parantu vah puruShArtha chalatA nahI.n hai, isaliye aisA kahate hai.n ki yah paradravya hai, merA svarUp nahI.n hai. bAkI unakI andarase ekadam vairAgya dashA aur virakti hotI hai. unake udayakAl laukikame.n shobhA na de aise udayakAl unake nahI.n hote. aisA nahI.n hotA hai. unhe.n bhItarame.n...

shrImad rAjacha.ndra, unakA gR^ihasthAshramakA vartan maryAdit hotA hai. unhe.n andarase kitanI udAsInatA aur bAtame.n AtmAkI pukAr karate hai.n. andar j~nAyak.. j~nAyak.. karate hai.n. aisA unakA vartan hotA hai. unakA svachChanda jaisA vartan nahI.n hotA hai. Ap kisIkI bhI bAt karate ho, vastusthiti yah hai.

sajjanako gR^ihasthAshramame.n shobhA na de aise unake kArya nahI.n hote hai.n. unakA jIvan ekadam alag, unakA hR^iday alag hotA hai. a.ntarase unhe.n mai.n AtmA bhinna aur yah sab merA svarUp nahI.n hai. yah mai.n kahA.N khaDA hU.N? isI kShaN yadi ChUT jAtA ho aur svarUpame.n lInatA hotI ho to mujhe yah kuCh nahI.n chAhiye. aisA unakA hR^iday hotA hai. Age nahI.n baDh sake athavA svarUpame.n visheSh lInatA na ho to use j~nAyak rahatA hai. andarase bhinna aur nyAre rahate hai.n. laukikame.n shobhA na de aise udayakAl unhe.n nahI.n hote hai.n. puruShArtha kAm nahI.n karatA hai aisA nahI.n hai, parantu unakI sahaj dashAse puruShArtha visheSh Age nahI.n baDhatA ho, parantu aise udayakAl, laukikame.n shobhA na de aise udayakAl unake nahI.n hote.

mumukShuH- nishchayanayakA Alamban lekar svachChandakA poShaN kar rahe hai.n aisA kahA


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jAy?

samAdhAnaH- nishchayanayakA Alamban lekar bAhya svachChanda to honA hI chAhiye. AtmArthIkA aisA lakShaN nahI.n hotA.

mumukShuH- jise nishchayanayakA yathArthame.n Alamban ho use svachChanda nahI.n ho sakatA.

samAdhAnaH- svachChanda nahI.n hotA.

mumukShuH- athavA to use svachChanda... vAstavame.n andarame.n Alamban nahI.n hai, parantu mAtra usakI dhAraNA hai ki kathA karatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- kaisA usakA udayakAl vah apane mAlUm nahI.n paDatA. parantu usake udayakAl aise nahI.n hote. laukikase bAhar nahI.n hote.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! usakI mAnyatAme.n aisA bhI nahI.n hotA ki puruShArthase ho sakatA hai, phir bhI amuk maryAdAse Age nahI.n baDh sakatA ho, vah alag bAt hai, haThapUrvak nahI.n jAtA..

samAdhAnaH- puruShArthase nahI.n ho sakatA hai, aisA use abhiprAy nahI.n hotA hai. puruShArthase nahI.n ho sakatA hai, aisA abhiprAy nahI.n hotA. merA puruShArtha manda hai, mujhase ho nahI.n sakatA hai, mai.n Age nahI.n baDh sakatA hU.N, isaliye isame.n khaDA hU.N, merI jo sahaj puruShArthakI dhArA chalanI chAhiye vah nahI.n chalatI hai, vah mere puruShArthakI mandatA hai. puruShArthase nahI.n ho sakatA hai, aisA usakA abhiprAy nahI.n hotA.

mumukShuH- phir bhI haTh nahI.n hotI.

samAdhAnaH- phir bhI haTh nahI.n hotI. haThase jabaran karanA aisA nahI.n hotA. parantu use mere puruShArthakI mandatA hai, itanA to usake abhiprAyame.n honA chAhiye. puruShArthakI mandatA hai aur yah uday hai, bas, aisA honA chAhiye. puruShArthase ho hI nahI.n sakatA, aisA abhiprAyame.n nahI.n honA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- isame.n to usane vAstavame.n puruShArthako uDAyA.

samAdhAnaH- puruShArthako uDAyA. puruShArthase nahI.n ho sakatA hai, aisA nahI.n honA chAhiye. mere puruShArthakI mandatA hai. khed hai ki mai.n Age nahI.n baDh sakatA hU.N, mai.n isame.n khaDA hU.N. isI kShaN yadi yah ChUT jAtA ho to mujhe kisI bhI prakArakA ras nahI.n hai. mujhe AtmAke atirikti kuCh nahI.n chAhiye, aisA usake dilame.n honA chAhiye, usake vartaname.n, usakI vANIme.n aisA honA chAhiye. abhiprAy ho aisI usakI bhAShA bhI... chAro.n pahalUkA use honA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! dravyakarmake pudagalakA svAd AtA hai. dravyakarmake udayake vakta krodhakA svAd AtA hai aur krodharUp aj~nAnI pariNamatA hai. to aj~nAnI jaise us


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rUp pariNamatA hai aur j~nAnI bhI krodharUp pariNamate hai.n, to un dono.nme.n kyA pharka hai?

samAdhAnaH- aj~nAnI pariNamatA hai, use ekatvabuddhi hai. use AtmA bhinna j~nAt nahI.n hotA hai aur ekatvabuddhi (hai). krodharUp, mai.n krodharUp ho gayA, mAnarUp ho gayA, mAyArUp ho gayA, aise ekatvabuddhime.n pariNamatA hai.

j~nAnIkI j~nAnadashA honeke kAraN vah bhinna rahatA hai ki yah krodh merA svarUp nahI.n hai, mai.n to bhinna j~nAyak hU.N. merA svarUp, mai.n to kShamAsvarUp j~nAyak hU.N. parantu yah mere puruShArthakI mandatAse yah jo krodhakA uday AyA hai, us krodhame.n juDanA ho jAtA hai. krodh merA svarUp nahI.n hai. isaliye usakI juDaneme.n amuk maryAdA (hotI hai), usake rasame.n maryAdA hotI hai. usakI kriyA par nahI.n, usake rasame.n maryAdA hotI hai. usake krodhame.n usakA ras andarase manda hotA hai.

aur (aj~nAnIko) ekatvabuddhikA ras hotA hai. ekatva hai isaliye usakA ras nahI.n ChUTatA. vah bhinna rahakar juDatA hai, j~nAnI hai vaha. use bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA vartatI hai. koI bhI kAryame.n juDe bhinna rahatA hai. mere puruShArthakI mandatAse yah jo uday Ate hai.n usame.n juD jAtA hU.N. parantu yah merA svarUp nahI.n hai, mai.n j~nAyak hU.N. aisA usake j~nAname.n aisA hI vartatA hai. use j~nAyakakI dhArA chalatI hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAn aur rAgakA bhedaj~nAn to hai, vaise yah pudagalakA rAg aur yah merA rAg, aisA bhedaj~nAn hai?

samAdhAnaH- pudagalakA rAg aur merA rAg yAnI pudagalakA nimitta hai. pudagalake (nimittase) chaitanyame.n pariNati (hotI hai). pudagal par usakA dhyAn nahI.n hai. yah rAg merA svarUp nahI.n hai. yah rAg anyake nimittase hotA hai. use bAr-bAr yah pudagal aur yah jIv aisA nahI.n (karanA paDatA). yah jo rAgakI pariNati hotI hai vah merA svarUp nahI.n hai. vah pudagalake nimittase hotI hai. yAnI sirpha jaD hai aisA bhI nahI.n hai. vah to merI pariNatime.n hotA hai, mai.n juD jAtA hU.N. jaD mujhe nahI.n kahatA hai ki tU juD jA. rAgakI pariNatirUp svaya.n juD jAtA hai, parantu yah merA svarUp nahI.n hai, usase bhinna hU.N. merA dravya, merA svabhAv bhinna hai. isaliye vah mujhase bhinna hai. merA svabhAv bhinna hai isaliye bhinna hai, parantu merI pariNati us rUp hotI hai, mai.n usase bhinna hU.N. merI paryAy vartamAn aisI hotI hai, parantu mai.n mere svarUpame.n rahatA hU.N, mai.n bhinna hU.N. bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA vartatI hai. svaya.n bhinna rahatA hai. aisI usakI j~nAyakakI puruShArthakI dhArA nira.ntar rahatI hai. sAdhakako pratyek kAryame.n puruShArtha sAthame.n hotA hai. puruShArtha nahI.n ho sakatA hai aisA nahI.n hai. usakA svAmI nahI.n hotA. yah merA svarUp nahI.n hai.

prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho! mAtAjInI amR^it vANIno jay ho!