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samAdhAnaH- .. bhedaj~nAn karanA, mahimA karanI. j~nAyakame.n sab bharapUr bharA hai, usako pahachAnanA. bAharame.n kuCh nahI.n hai, bhItarame.n sab kuCh hai. j~nAyak ananta guNase bharapUr ananta- ananta khajAnA, ananta shaktiyA.N j~nAyakame.n bharI hai. us par dR^iShTi karanese, j~nAn karanese, pariNatikI lInatA karanA vahI karanA hai. vahI jIvanakA kartavya hai. shAstra abhyAs, tattva vichAr ye sab karake apane AtmAko pIChAnanA. dhyey vah rakhanA, vahI karanekA. AchAryadevakI kyA bAt! gurudevane upakAr kiyA hai, apUrva mArga batAyA. sab shAstrake rahasya gurudevane khulle kiye hai.n. pAriNAmikabhAv Adi sabakA svarUp gurudevane batAyA hai. anAdiananta AtmA pAriNAmikabhAv svarUp hai, usame.n j~nAyakatA bharI hai. j~nAyakatA bhI pAriNAmikabhAvasvarUp (hai).

anAdiananta .. svarUp shuddhAtmA, pAriNAmikabhAvasvarUp, vahI lakShyame.n lene yogya, vah pUjanIy aur mahimAyogya svarUp hai. jisane AtmAke svarUpako pragaT kiyA hai, vah dev-guru-shAstra bhI pUjanIy hai. aur shubhabhAvame.n dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA, bhItarame.n j~nAyak bhagavAn paramapAriNAmikabhAvasvarUp pUjanIy hai, usako pahachAnanA.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! jis jAnanakriyAme.n AtmA jAnaneme.n AtI hai, vah jAnanakriyA kisake AdhArase pragaT hotI hai?

samAdhAnaH- vah jAnanakriyA AtmAke-j~nAyak-j~nAtAke-AdhArase jAnanakri/yA hotI hai, koI parake AdhArase nahI.n hotI hai. jo j~nAyak j~nAtA hai, is j~nAtAme.nse j~nAnakI kriyA pragaT hotI hai. jAnanakriyA. ananta kAlase kartR^itvabuddhi, parakA mai.n kartA hU.N, par merA kArya hai, vibhAvakA kartA hU.N. svabhAvakA kartA hove, j~nAyakatA pragaT hove to usame.n jAnan kriyA pragaT hotI hai. mai.n jAnanevAlA AtmA hU.N. usakI jAnanakriyA, jAnanakriyArUp pariNati AtmA j~nAyakake AdhArase pragaT hotI hai. kartR^itvabuddhi... asthiratA alpa rahatI hai, usakI kartR^itvabuddhi svAmItvabuddhi ChUT jAtI hai aur j~nAyakatA pragaT hotI hai. j~nAtAdhArA jAnanakriyA pragaT hotI hai. svarUp pariNati, svarUpakI svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai. usame.n jAnanakriyA nira.ntar chalatI hai.

mumukShuH- svAnubhUtikI mukhyatA to sukhakI...?

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samAdhAnaH- usame.n Ananda guNakI mukhyatA hai. ananta guN, sarvaguNA.nsh so samyagdarshana. sarva guNakA a.nsh shuddharUp pariNamit hotA hai. AnandakI mukhyatA hove to bhI anantAse bharA huA AtmA, usakA vedan usame.n A jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! jis jAnanakriyAme.n AtmA jAnaneme.n AtA hai, vah jAnanakriyA vibhAvako kyA paraj~ney tarIke jAnatI hai? jaise bhI.Nt judI hai, aisA rAg judA hai, aise vah j~naptikriyA jAnatI hai?

samAdhAnaH- bhI.Nt to paradravya hai. rAg to apanI vibhAvik pariNati hai. vibhAv pariNati hai, vah koI apekShAse par hai. aur vibhAvakI pariNati apane puruShArthakI mandatAse hotI hai. isaliye vah to svabhAvabhed hai. vah mai.n nahI.n hU.N. bhI.Nt mai.n nahI.n hU.N, aise rAg mai.n nahI.n hU.N. svabhAvakA bhed karatI hai. parantu rAg hotA hai apane puruShArthakI mandatAse. vah jAnatA hai ki puruShArthakI mandatAse vah rAg hotA hai. parantu jAnatA hai ki vah svabhAv nahI.n hai, bhedaj~nAn karatA hai. jaise yah par hai, vaise yah bhI par hai. parantu vah puruShArthakI mandatAse ashuddha pariNati hotI hai, aise jAnatA hai.

jisakA jaisA kArya hai, vaisA vah jAnatA hai. jAnanakriyA jAnatI hai ki yah par hai, merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. aisA j~nAname.n rahatA hai, mere puruShArthakI mandatAse (hotA hai). sa.npUrNa vItarAgatA ho jAy, vItarAg dashA ho jAy to rAgakI kriyA bhI ChUT jAtI hai. rAgakA mai.n kartA nahI.n hU.N to bhI asthiratA hotI hai, puruShArthakI kamajorIse hotI hai. vah koI kar nahI.n detA hai. hotA hai, apanI mandatAse hotA hai, aise jAnatA hai.

mumukShuH- hai to apanI paryAyame.n pariNaman, par a.ntarmukh huA j~nAn usame.n vyApatA nahI.n hai, avagAhan karatA nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- ... nahI.n hai, isaliye usakA bhed karatA hai ki rAg mai.n nahI.n hU.N, j~nAn mai.n hU.N, rAg mai.n nahI.n hU.N, aisA bhed karatA hai. parantu jAnatA hai, vah hotA hai puruShArthakI mandatAse. vah merA svabhAv nahI.n hai, isaliye vah par hai. puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai.

mumukShuH- a.ntarmukh j~nAname.n anAkul j~nAnakA svAd aur Akulit vibhAvakA svAd ek samayame.n .... se bhAsit hotA hai? judA-judA.

samAdhAnaH- judA-judA. jitane a.nshame.n anAkulatA pragaT huyI, savikalpa dashAme.n, svAnubhUtike bAd jo savikalpa dhArA rahatI hai, usame.n A.nshik anAkulatA rahatI hai aur AkulatA, aspa asthiratA AkulatA bhI rahatI hai. dono.nko jAnatA hai. dono.n vedan hote hai.n. anAkulatA aur AkulatA. jitane a.nshame.n nirAkulatA hai, shAntikA vedan hai, usako shAnti, samAdhi, nirAkulatA usako bhI vedan karatA hai aur alpa rAg hai usako

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bhI jAnatA hai. dono.n-j~nAnadhArA aur udayadhArA ekasAth chalatI hai.

mumukShuH- kabhI kahate hai.n ki mAtAjI! vedaname.n Aye vahI AtmA hai, kabhI kahate hai.n, trikAlI dravya vahI AtmA hai. vedaname.n Aye vah AtmA, dravya vah AtmA nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- vah to apekShAse kahate hai.n. vedaname.n AtA hai isaliye vah jaisA hai vaisA vedaname.n AtA hai. aise paryAy apekShAse (kahaneme.n AtA hai). bAkI anAdiananta jo j~nAyak svabhAv hai vahI AtmA hai.

mumukShuH- vyavahAranayase kathanI kahI?

samAdhAnaH- paryAyakA vedan aur dravya (kahA vah) dUsarI apekShAse (kahaneme.n AtA hai) ki anAdiananta AtmA hai vah dravya.

mumukShuH- samyagdarshan-j~nAn-chAritrANi mokShamArgaH matalab usame.n ... kyA hono chAhiye?

samAdhAnaH- usame.n ramaNatA nahI.n huI na. j~nAyakakI dR^iShTi kI, j~nAn kI. usakI ramaNatA, usakI chAritrakI dashA-vItarAgatA pragaT honI chAhiye. samyagdarshan pragaT huA, j~nAn kiyA bAdame.n ramaNatA pragaT hotI hai, svarUp ramaNatA. vItarAg dashA pragaT hotI hai.

mumukShuH- samyagdarshan, samyagj~nAn aur samyakachAritra prApta karaneke bAd bhI yah jarUrI hai ki ...

samAdhAnaH- pUrNa prApti ho jAy bAdame.n to kuCh nahI.n rahatA. bAdame.n nahI.n rahatA. alpa chAritra hai, alpa svarUp ramaNatA hai.

mumukShuH- abhI svAmIjI to hamAre sAmane nahI.n hai, lekin kahate hai.n ki jab koI tIrtha.nkar ho.n yA ... jaise ki ham log bolate hai.n ki kAnajIsvAmI mokShagAmI jIv the. kAnajIsvAmIko kaise mAlUm paDA ki vah mokShagAmI jIv hai.n? jaise apane purAName.n AyA ki unho.nne darpaNake sAmane dekhA to unako apane pUrva bhavakA janma dikhAyI diyA. vaise kAnajIsvAmIko kab anubhav huA ki vah mokShagAmI jIv hai?

samAdhAnaH- kAnajIsvAmIko a.ntar svAnubhUti huI.

mumukShuH- magar kabhI usakA ek paryAyArthik samay AtA hai, abhI jaise koI bhI mokShagAmI jIv to ho sakatA hai, koI bhI ho sakatA hai, ham bhI ho sakate hai.n, ye bhI ho sakate hai.n, ye bhI ho sakate hai.n, magar unakA ek kAl AyagA-ak samay AyagA tabhI unako mahesUs hogA, nahI.n to aise nahI.n ho sakatA.

samAdhAnaH- puruShArtha karake usako svAnubhUti hotI hai, vah jAn sakatA hai ki mai.n mokShagAmI hU.N.

mumukShuH- ye to nishchit hai ki kAnajIsvAmI gurudev mokShagAmI jIv the. ye to

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nishchit hai. unake jAneke bAd unho.nne kabhI koI mArgadarshan diyA. unake jAneke bAd, matalab ve hamAre bIchame.n nahI.n hai, usake bAda. ... usake bAd kabhI unho.nne kuCh bhI chAhe vah pojhiTi sAID ho yA negeTiv sAID ho, vah pUChanA hai, vah jAnanekA..

samAdhAnaH- para.nparAkI kyA bAt hai? upadesh unho.nne diyA, unhe.n jAnA..

mumukShuH- magar mAtAjI! Ap logo.nke sambandha to purAne bhI hai to ho sakatA hai ki har insAnase galatI hotI hai, chAhe vah tIrtha.nkar ho, aur mArgadarshan unako guruo.nse milatA hai. ..

samAdhAnaH- gurudev tIrtha.nkarakA dravya thA. unho.nne sabako mArga batAyA hai.

mumukShuH- mai.n Apako yah batA rahA hU.N ki unake jAneke bAd koI chIjame.n aisA..?

samAdhAnaH- .. unako koI ichChA hI nahI.n thI. gurudevako koI ichChA nahI.n thI.

mumukShuH- unake anusAr unakA bhI ek vAkya hai, yah unho.nne bolA ki mai.n dIkShA isaliye nahI.n dilAtA hU.N ki mai.n is rUpame.n nahI.n AyA hU.N, matalab tIrtha.nkar rUpame.n nahI.n AyA hU.N. matalab unakA vah pArTa to bAkI hai na?

samAdhAnaH- unako koI ichChA bAkI nahI.n thI. ve to apanA kArya karate the. vANI ChUTatI thI, sabako lAbh milatA thA.

mumukShuH- phir unho.nne Apake liye..

samAdhAnaH- unako koI ichChA nahI.n thI, bAhar koI ichChA nahI.n thI. sab jIv mokSha prApta kare, aisA prashasta rAg AtA hai to vANI ChUT jAtI hai. bAdame.n unako vah vichAr nahI.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- Apake pAs usake bAd kabhI nahI.n Aye? kisI bhI rUpame.n-sapaneke rUpame.n, sAkShAt rUpame.n, kisI bhI rUpame.n.

samAdhAnaH- svapna Aye to usame.n kyA hai?

mumukShuH- mokShagAmI jIvakA svapna Aye to usame.n bahut .. in logo.nko svapname.n hI bolate the. unako koI sAmAne Akar nahI.n bolatA thA. sapaneme.n bolate the. mAtAko solah svapna Aye, usake bAd trishalA mAtA..

samAdhAnaH- vah to ek AgAhI hotI hai ki sapanA dekhakar yah tIrtha.nkarakA jIv AyA hai.

mumukShuH- vahI matalab hai merA.

samAdhAnaH- yah pUChanekA kyA matalab hai?

mumukShuH- bahut lAbh hai. apaneko yah lAbh hai ki apanI paripATI kIdhar chalanevAlI hai. kyo.nki isake bAd jo mai.n ... vah ye hai ki Aj jo ham sthiti dekhate hai.n,

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vAstavik sthiti dekhate hai.n, mai.n digambar hU.N, magar mai.n...

mumukShuH- .. sapanA AyegA vah mAne.nge? ... Ap bhI nahI.n mAnate hai.n. sapanA to manokalpanA hai, aisA kahe.nge. usame.n kuCh nahI.n hai. AtmAkI karo, aisI koI jha.njhaTame.n mat paDo.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevane jo kiyA, bahuto.nko jAgR^it kiye hai.n. hindustAnake logo.nko adhyAtmakI ... pariNati bahut logo.nkI ho gayI hai. (jisakI) nahI.n huyI, usakI yogyatA. bAkI jisakI lAyakAt thI, to bahut logo.nko adhyAtma, AtmAkA vichAr karanevAle bahut ho gaye. bahut sAl pahale to sab kriyAkA.nDame.n the. aisA thoDA kar liyA, shuddhi kar lI, ashuddhi kar lI, itanA pATh paDh liyA, aisA kar liyA, isame.n sab paDe the. gurudevake pratApase adhyAtmake shAstra, adhyAtmakA vA.nchan, adhyAtma svarUp.. aisA bahut karane lag gaye. bahut logo.nkA parivartan ho gayA.

mumukShuH- ek jagah kahaneme.n AtA hai ki, paryAy apane ShaTakArakase utpanna hotI hai aur ek jagah kahaneme.n AtA hai ki, apane dravyake AdhArase utpanna hotI hai. to in do nirNayame.n kaun-sA nirNay joradAr hai jisame.n ham AtmAkA lakShya kar sake?

samAdhAnaH- AtmAkA lakShya karanA. to paryAy us or A jAtI hai. AtmAkI dravyadR^iShTike Ashrayase paryAy usame.n A jAtI hai. shuddha paryAy usame.n pragaT hotI hai. vah paryAy svata.ntra, amuk apekShAse svata.ntra hai. bAkI dravya to ananta sAmarthyase bharA hai to jitanA vah dravya svata.ntra hai, utanI hI paryAyako svata.ntra kahanA vah to apane svabhAvase hai athavA amuk apekShAse usake ShaTakArak kahaneme.n Ate hai.n, to bhI paryAyako dravyakA Ashray to rahatA hai. paryAyako dravyakA Ashray to hai. jis or dravyakI pariNati hotI hai us or paryAy palaT jAtI hai. dR^iShTi bAhar jAtI ho to us or paryAy jAtI hai. dR^iShTi shuddhAtmAme.n jAtI hai to us or paryAy jAtI hai. isaliye dravyakA Ashray to paryAyame.n rahatA hai. jitanA dravya svata.ntra hai, paryAyame.n utanA pharka hai ki ShaTakArak hai to bhI dravyakA Ashray paryAyame.n rahatA hai. paryAyako dravyakA Ashray to rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- lakShya dravyakA hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- lakShya to dravyakA hotA hai, paryAyakA lakShya nahI.n hotA.

mumukShuH- aur utpattikI apekShAse dravyake sAth paryAyakI utpatti hotI hai?

samAdhAnaH- jis or dravyakI dR^iShTi, us or paryAy hotI hai. paryAy svata.ntra us apekShAse (kahate hai.n ki), paryAyakA svarUp svata.ntra hai. isaliye paryAy svata.ntra hai. bAkI paryAyame.n Ashray to dravyakA rahatA hai. Uparase paryAy hotI hai kiyA? j~nAnakI paryAy, darshanakI paryAy, chaitanyakI chaitanyarUp paryAy, vah paryAy Uparase utpanna nahI.n hotI.

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use dravyakA Ashray hai.

isaliye dravyakI svata.ntratA aur paryAyakI svata.ntratAme.n pharka hai. usake ShaTakArak aur isake ShaTakArakame.n pharka hai. dravya svata.ntra svataHse hai. vaise paryAyako to dravyakA Ashray hai. usake ShaTakArak samajhanA hai to us prakArase samajhanA ki dravyake Ashray binA paryAy Uparase nahI.n hotI.

mumukShuH- chandubhAIne kahA ki Uparase rAg hotA hai. mumukShuH- .. AtmAkA bhI nahI.n sakate aur pudagalakA bhI nahI.n kah sakate, svaya.nne nayA khaDA kiyA hai.

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n nayA hai. apanA svabhAv nahI.n hai. svaya.n juDatA hai. AkAshake phUlako koI Ashray nahI.n hai, aise nahI.n. ... puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai. pharka hai. paryAy hai (usako) dravyakA Ashray hotA hai. rAgakI bAt alag hai. apanA svabhAv nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- paryAyakA vedan hotA hai, Alamban nahI.n hotA. aur dhruvakA Alamban hotA hai, dravyakA vedan nahI.n hotA.

samAdhAnaH- usakA Alamban hai, paryAyakA vedan hai.

mumukShuH- sab vidvAno.nko, paNDito.nko sabako bahut saral bhAShAme.n bol diyA. upakAr hai, mAtAjI! ananta upakAr hai.

mumukShuH- siddha bhagavAnako jo avyAbAdh Ananda pragaT huA, chauthe guNasthAname.n kyA siddha jaisA hI sukh pragaT hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- chaturtha guNasthAname.n siddha bhagavAn jaisA hI sukh (pragaT hotA hai). A.nshik siddha bhagavAn jaisA. jAti to ek hai. siddha bhagavAnako pUrNa pragaT huA hai, vah a.nsh hai. jAti to jaisA siddha bhagavAnakA svarUp hai, vaisA a.nsh pragaT hotA hai. dravya to siddha bhagavAn jaisA hai. siddha bhagavAnakA jo svabhAv hai, vaisA hI svabhAv AtmAkA hai. parantu pragaT hotA hai vah a.nsh pragaT hotA hai.

mumukShuH- AnandakA svAd A.nshik rUpame.n AtA hai. samAdhAnaH- a.nsh AtA hai, parantu siddha bhagavAn jaisA hI hai. bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA bhItarame.n pragaT kar kShaN-kShaName.n mai.n j~nAyak chaitanya hU.N, ye mai.n nahI.n hU.N, aisI dhArA pragaT karate-karate vikalpa TUTakar svAnubhUti hotI hai. (usame.n) siddha bhagavAnakI jAtikA a.nsh pragaT hotA hai.