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mumukShuH- j~nAyak j~nAyakI hI hai AtmA.

samAdhAnaH- j~nAyak svarUp hI hai. j~nAyakatAse bharA hai. koI parakA kartA nahI.n ho sakatA. apanA svabhAv j~nAyak svabhAv hai. j~nAyakakA svabhAv pahachAne, usakI shraddhA kare, usame.n lInatA kare to koI navInatA, anAdi kAlase jo vibhAvaparyAy ho rahI hai, usase (bhinna) koI navIn paryAy pragaT hotI hai. navIn hove vah navInatA satyArtha rUpame.n navInatA hai. nUtan varSha to vyavahAr hai, parantu a.ntarame.nse navInatA, koI navIn paryAy pragaT hove to vAstavik navInatA hai.

mumukShuH- sabako jAnatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- jAnanevAlA hai. svaparaprakAsha. svaya.nko jAnatA huA sabako jAnatA hai. svako jAnaneme.n par sahaj hI jAnaneme.n A jAtA hai. jo svako jAne vah parako yathArtha jAnatA hai. anAdi kAlase mAtra parako jAnatA hai vah svako bhI nahI.n jAnatA hai aur parako bhI nahI.n jAnatA hai. jo svaya.nko jAnatA hai vah parako jAnatA hai. jo svaya.nko nahI.n jAnatA hai, vah parako bhI nahI.n jAnatA hai.

mumukShuH- usame.n AyA thA, jo j~nAt hotA hai, parantu jAnatA nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- j~nAt hotA hai. vikalpa karake jAnane nahI.n jAtA, ekatvabuddhise. svako jAnate hue par j~nAt hotA hai. parantu svaparaprakAshak svabhAv hai. vikalpa karake parakA kartA nahI.n hotA, usame.n ekatvabuddhi nahI.n karatA hai. svako jAnate hue par j~nAt ho jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- bhUtakAlakI paryAy aur bhaviShya kAlakI paryAy apanI j~nAnakI apekShAse avidyamAn hone par bhI sabako jAnatA hai, aisA svabhAv hai.

samAdhAnaH- aisA svabhAv hai. vidyamAn nahI.n hai to bhI jAnatA hai. aisA j~nAnakA koI achi.ntya svabhAv hai. ananta-ananta agAdh j~nAnashakti koI apUrva achi.ntya hai. jo bhUtakAlame.n bIt gaI aur bhaviShyame.n honevAlI hai, un sabhI paryAyo.nko AtmA pratyakSha jAne aisA usakA svabhAv hai. kevalaj~nAname.n pratyakSha jAnatA hai. kevalaj~nAnI sab pratyakSha jAnate hai.n. apane AtmAkI ananta paryAy aur parakI ananta paryAy, sab jAnatA hai.

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svaya.n apaneme.n rahakar jAnatA hai. svabhAvame.n rahakar jAnatA hai.

mumukShuH- jo paryAy pragaT nahI.n huI hai, use bhI yogyatArUp jAnate hai.n yA pratyakSha jAnate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- pratyakSha jAnate hai.n. yah pragaT honevAlI hai, aise pratyakSha jAnate hai.n. kis prakAr, kab pragaT hogI sab pratyakSha jAnate hai.n.

mumukShuH- bhagavAn mahAvIrako terahave.n guNasthAname.n kevalaj~nAn thA aur siddha ho gaye, to unakI siddhaparyAyako bhI jAnate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- siddhaparyAyako bhI jAnate hai.n aur svaya.n kevalaj~nAnI the vah bhI jAnate haiai.n, siddhaparyAyako bhI jAnate hai.n, sab jAnate hai.n. bhaviShyame.n aisA honevAlA hai, yah huA hai, aise vartamAn, bhaviShya sab jaisA hai vaisA jAnate haiai.n. aisA koI j~nAnakA apUrva agAdh svabhAv hai. svabhAv koI apUrva hai. ananta.. ananta.. ananta lokAlok jAne to bhI usame.n koI vajan yA dUsarA kuCh hotA nahI.n, parantu ananta sahaj jAnatA hai. shAstrame.n AtA hai na? aNureNuvata. mAno.n ek aNu ho vaise. usase bhI ananta lokAlok ho to bhI jAne, aisI AtmAme.n jAnanekI shakti hai.

... usakI bhAvanA kare, usakI jij~nAsA kare. dev-guru-shAstra, jinho.nne vah svAnubhUti pragaT kI, jo usakI sAdhanA karate hai.n usakI mahimA kare. use dhyey ek AtmAkA hai ki mujhe j~nAyak kaise pragaT ho? ek AtmAkA dhyey hai aur dhyeyapUrvak shubhabhAvame.n dev-guru-shAstra, a.ntarame.n j~nAyaka. shubhAshubh vikalpa merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. aisI j~nAyakakI bhAvanApUrvak ek a.nsh pragaT karake svAnubhUti... vah a.nsh svAnubhUtime.n pragaT hotA hai, bAdame.n kevalaj~nAn pragaT hotA hai. jIvako karanA vahI hai aur vahI satya suprabhAt hai. vah prabhAt pragaT honese kevalaj~nAn utpanna hotA hai, pUrA sUrya pragaT hotA hai.

... dR^iShTi kare. sab jAnane jAy, parantu jo svaya.nko nahI.n jAnatA hai, vah vAstavikarUpase dUsareko satya nahI.n jAnatA hai. svaya.nko jAnane par anya sahaj j~nAt ho jAtA hai. svaya.nko jAne usame.n dUsarA sahaj A jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- jaisA sUrya hai vaisA AtmAkA svarUp hai? jaise sUryame.n malinatA nahI.n hai, vaise AtmAme.n bhI malinatA nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- sUryame.n malinatA nahI.n hai, vaise AtmAme.n nahI.n hai. vah to dR^iShTAnta hai. jaise sUrya malinatA rahit hai, vaise AtmAkA nirmal svabhAv hai, usame.n koI malinatA nahI.n hai. vastume.n malinatA nahI.n hai, paryAyame.n (hai). paryAyakI shuddhi, dravya par dR^iShTi kare to paryAy nirmal hotI hai.

... jaise ek hajAr kiraNo.nse prakAshit hotA hai, vaise AtmA to ananta kiraNo.nvAlA

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hai, parantu shaktirUp hai. usakA lakShya kare to pragaT hotA hai, usakI dR^iShTi kare, j~nAn kare to pragaT hotA hai. aisA shakti-svabhAv hai.

... usame.n vibhAv nahI.n hai. shuddha svarUp anAdiananta (hai). vah shuddhAtmA hai. vah anAdiananta svataHsiddha ek tattva hai. muktikA mArga hai. shuddhAtmAko anAdi kAlase pahichAnA nahI.n hai. dR^iShTi bAhar vibhAv par hai. mAno.n mujhe parase lAbh hotA hai aur par Upar dR^iShTi hai. shuddhAtmAko pahichAnanA. shuddhAtmA anAdiananta, ananta guNao.nse bharapUr, anante shaktio.nse bharapUr hai. usame.n vibhAvakA andar pravesh nahI.n huA hai. parantu mai.n vibhAvayukta ho gayA, mai.n vibhAvavAlA, duHkhavAlA, malinatAvAlA aisA ho gayA, aisI mAnyatA hai. bAkI anAdiananta shuddhAtmA mUl svabhAvase jaisA hai vaisA hai. use pahachAne to bhavakA abhAv ho, to svAnubhUti ho, usame.n puruShArtha kare, usame.n lInatA kare, usamee.n pariNaman kare vahI muktikA mArga hai. aur gurudevane vah batAyA hai, vahI karanekA hai. usame.n Ananda hai. Anandase bharapUr hai AtmA to.

mumukShuH- ...

samAdhAnaH- kaThin kAl koI ADe nahI.n AtA, svaya.n puruShArtha kare to pragaT ho aisA hai. kAl usame.n ADe nahI.n AtA. apane puruShArthakI mandatAse kArya pragaT nahI.n hotA hai. is kAlame.n kevalaj~nAn pragaT nahI.n hotA hai, parantu AtmAkI svAnubhUti to pragaT hotI hai, parantu svaya.n puruShArtha nahI.n karatA hai. a.ntarame.n mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, mai.n chaitanya hU.N, yah vibhAv mai.n nahI.n hU.N, aisA bhedaj~nAn (kare). svaya.n apaneme.n ekatvabuddhi aur parase vibhaktatA kare to svAnubhUti pragaT ho aisI hai.

AchAyA, munivaro.n sab is kAlame.n ho gaye hai.n. nira.ntar jharatA AsvAdame.n AtA aisA chaitanyadev pragaT huA hai, aisA AchArya kahate hai.n. svaya.n a.ntarame.n apanI yogyatA taiyAr kare.

... gahare sa.nskAr vah pragaT hote hai.n. svaya.nne jo taiyArI kI ho us jAtakI yogyatA chaitanyame.n hotI hai. is prakAr sa.nskAr rah jAte hai.n.

mumukShuH- ... paryAyake sAth aisA koI juDAn rahatA hogA? paryAy paryAyake bIch?

samAdhAnaH- juDAn nahI.n, parantu aisI chaitanyame.n yogyatA hotI hai ki jo yogyatA andar yathArthapane ho, vah pUrva bhavame.n use naisargikarUpase pragaT hote hai.n, us jAtakA puruShArtha kare.

mumukShuH- bahinashrI! is bhavame.n jo yah dharma prApta kiyA, usame.n gat bhavake koI sa.nskAr ho.nge? pUrva bhavame.n koI sa.nskAr DAle ho.nge?

samAdhAnaH- sa.nskAr to hote hai.n pUrvake, parantu sabako ho hI aisA nahI.n hotA.

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bahuto.nko pUrva bhavake sa.nskAr hote hai.n. bahuto.nko nahI.n hote hai.n. jab karatA hai tab sarvapratham hotA hai. pUrvame.n jab taiyArI kI tab sarvapratham hI thA. usame.n koI kamI rahe to dUsare bhavame.n Aye to pUrvake sa.nskArase pragaT huA aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai. parantu jab kare tab to sarvapratham hI hotA hai. jab kare tab pahalA hotA hai. pUrvame.n pUrA nahI.n huA isaliye dUsare bhavame.n AtA hai to use puruShArtha shIghratAse hotA hai ataH pUrvake sa.nskAr hai.n, aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai. shIghratAse hotA hai isaliye aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai ki pUrvake sa.nskAr hai.n.

jise karanA ho use to pahalI taiyArI hotI hai. pratham jIv anAdi kAlase janma- maraN karatA A rahA hai, usame.n koI dev athavA gurukI vANI mile, parantu jab taiyArI karanI ho to pratham hI taiyArI (hotI hai), kahI.n bhI kare tab pahalI taiyArI hotI hai. is bhavame.n kI huyI taiyArI... pUrvabhavame.n use visheSh taiyArI ho to pUrvake sa.nskAr hai, aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- AtmAke pAs sAdhan hai aisA nahI.n hai?

samAdhAnaH- sAdhan koI nahI.n hai, svaya.n hI hai, AtmA svaya.n hI hai, svaya.n hI apanA sAdhan hai. svaya.n apanI taiyArI (kare). apaneme.n jis prakArakI yogyatA hotI hai us prakArakI paryAye.n pragaT hotI hai. svaya.n hI svaya.nkA sAdhan hai.

mumukShuH- bahirlakShI j~nAnopayog ho aur aj~nAnIkA bahirlakShakI j~nAnopayog ho, usame.n koI a.ntar hotA hogA?

samAdhAnaH- usame.n pharka hai. aj~nAnIko ekatvabuddhi hai bAhya upayogame.n. AtmAkA j~nAn nahI.n hai aur ekatvabuddhi hai. mai.n kaun aur par kaun, yah mAlUm nahI.n hai. parake sAth ekatvabuddhi ho rahI hai. j~nAnIko bhedaj~nAn vartatA hai. apanA svapadArtha j~nAyakake sAth ekatvabuddhi hai aur parake sAth vibhakta hai ki ye parapadArtha so mai.n nahI.n hU.N, aisI use pariNati vartatI hai ki mai.n yah chaitanya j~nAyak bhinna hU.N aur ye paraj~ney bhinna hai.n. aisI bhedaj~nAnakI pariNati pragaT hotI hai aur bhedaj~nAnakI pariNatike sAth usakA upayog bAhar hotA hai. parantu pariNati to usakI chalatI hI rahatI hai ki mai.n j~nAyak hU.N aur yah bhinna hai. usame.n usakI dR^iShTi aur usakI pariNatime.n pUrva aur pashchim jitanA a.ntar hai. svarUp sanmukh hai aur j~neyako jAnatA hai. aur usakI (-aj~nAnIkI) to dishA hI parasanmukh hai.

mumukShuH- ... usame.n nAriyalame.n jaise golA alag hai, aisA kuCh hotA hogA?

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n bhinna paD jAtA hai. chaitanyatattva akelA nirAlA svaya.n apanI svAnubhUti karatA hai. svaya.n apane AnandAdi ananta guNo.nkA vedan karatA hai. ekadam nirAlA

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ho jAtA hai. chaitanyagolA bhinna paDakar chaitanya svaya.n svaya.nko anubhavatA hai. ye anubhav jo vedan hai, vibhAvakA vedan hai vah ChUT jAtA hai aur chaitanyakA vedan a.ntarame.nse pragaT hotA hai. ekadam nirAlA ho jAtA hai.

.... mai.n chaitanya hI hU.N. chaitanyake Ananda svarUpako vedatA hai. upayog bAhar Aye tab yah sharIr bhinna aur mai.n j~nAyak bhinna hU.N, aisI bhinnatAkI pariNati vartatI hai. a.ntarame.n gayA to sharIr kahA.N hai usakA bhI khyAl nahI.n hai. mai.n chaitanya hI hU.N. vikalpa bhI ChUT jAte hai.n. vikalpakI or upayog nahI.n hai. akele chaitanyakA vedan hai. akelI AnandakI dhArA AnandakA svarUp pragaT hotA hai. AnandAdi ananta guNo.nkI paryAye.n pragaT hotI hai.n.

mumukShuH- logo.nko marate hue dekhate hai.n to hame.n aisA nahI.n lagatA hai ki apanA bhI kabhI bhI aisA maraN honevAlA hai, to kyA ekatvabuddhikA doSh hogA?

samAdhAnaH- ekatvabuddhi hai. sharIrake sAth ekatvabuddhi hai. janma-maraN to chalate hI rahate hai.n. jisane sharIr dhAraN kiyA, isaliye deh aur AtmA bhinna paD hI jAte hai.n. ekatvabuddhi, utanA sharIrake sAth ekatvabuddhikA rAg hai. chaitanya to shAshvat hai. chaitanyame.n janma-maraN lAgU nahI.n paDate. vah to shAshvat hai. jahA.N jAy vahA.N shAshvat hai. ek deh ChUTakar dUsarA deh dhAraN karatA hai. AtmA to shAshvat hai. parantu ekatvabuddhike kAraN use khyAl nahI.n AtA hai.

muumukShuH- pUrva bhavakI len-denake kAraN dUsare bhavame.n sab vyakti ikaTThe hote hai.n, kyA yah bAt sach hai?

samAdhAnaH- kisIko pUrva bhavakA koI sambandha ho aur len-den ho isaliye bhI milate hai.n, bAkI pUrva bhavame.n kahI.n mile nahI.n ho aur kuCh pariNAmo.nkA aur aise karmake sa.nyogakA aisA mel baiTh jAy aur mil jAte hai.n. kabhI koI kahA.N-se AyA ho, koI kahA.N-se AyA ho aur mil jAte hai.n. koI kis gatime.nse, koI kis gatime.nse Akar mil jAte hai.n. pariNAm aur karmake udayakA aisA mel khA jAy aur mil jAte hai.n. aur kisIkA pUrva sambandha ho, pUrvame.n sAthame.n ho aur mil jAy, aisA bhI banatA hai.

samAdhAnaH-.. sab sthUl dR^iShTime.n kriyAme.n paDe the. kahA.Nse gurudev sabako Upar le Aye. koI dev-devIko nahI.n mAnate ho.n, parantu kriyAme.n to paDe hI the. upavAs kare.n to dharma hogA, aisI sab mAnyatA. ... sthAnakavAsIme.n to sab aisA thA. j~nAyakako pahachAnanekA mArga kahA.N thA? kaun jAnatA thA? a.ntar dR^iShTi karanI aur mokSha a.ntarame.n A.nshikarUpase hotA hai, vah mokSha bAdame.n hotA hai. aur yah mokSha a.ntarame.n hotA hai, yah bAt kahA.N thI?

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ye sab kahate hai.n, pa.nchamakAlame.n kevalaj~nAn nahI.n hai. pa.nchamakAlame.n kevalaj~nAn nahI.n hai, parantu samyagdarshan hai. samyagdarshan yAnI kyA, yah bhI koI samajhatA nahI.n thA. mokSha yahA.N samyagdarshaname.n A.nshikarUpase ho jAtA hai, yah bhI koI samajhatA nahI.n thA.

.. isaliye apane pariNAm hai.n, vah tIvra kaluShitatA athavA kaise tIvra ho.n, vah apane hAthakI bAt hai. usame.n shAnti rakhanI, AtmAko pahichAnanA, vah sab apane hAthakI bAt hai. bAhya sa.nyog kaise ho, vah (apane hAthakI bAt nahI.n hai). kisIko achChA lage, kisIko bUrA lage, svaya.n kuCh bhI kare to bhI dUsareko kharAb hI lage. aisA koI uday ho to vah sab udayakI bAt hai. shAnti rakhanI apane hAthakI bAt hai. isaliye AtmAko pahichAnanA aur shAnti rakhanI. bAhya sa.nyog (apane) hAthakI bAt nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- sahajatAse prApta kar liyA. to Atma-svarUp prApta karanA aisA sahaj hai?

samAdhAnaH- puruShArtha kare to sahaj hai aur puruShArtha na kare to kaThin hai. ananta kAl gayA, parantu yadi svaya.n puruShArtha nahI.n karatA hai to kaThin ho jAtA hai aur puruShArtha kare to sahaj hotA hai. usame.n pUrvake sa.nskAr kisIko nimitta banate hai.n aur koI karatA hai to pratham bAr hotA hai.

... hA.N, apane pAs hai. ananta shakti (hai). nigodame.nse nikalakar a.ntarmuhUrtame.n jo pragaT karate hai.n, vah shakti kahA.N-se (AyI)? isaliye utanA puruShArtha chaitanyame.n hai. ananta kAlase nigodame.n the aur phir ... hue hai.n, usake bAd rAjAke ku.nvar hue hai.n, aur phir ekadam muni ban gaye. vah shakti kahA.Nse (AyI)? apane chaitanyame.n hai. pUrvame.n kahI.n sunane nahI.n gaye the. sarva pratham bhagavAnake ghar rAjakumAr hokar dIkShA lete hai.n. bhagavAnakI vANI sunate hai.n. ekadam puruShArtha a.ntarmuhUrtame.n jAgR^it ho. jIvame.n svaya.nme.n ananta shakti hai. rAjakumAr kitane... ekadam dIkShA lekar chal paDate hai.n.

mumukShuH- vah is shaktikI hI bAt hai na? samAdhAnaH- hA.N, ananta shakti. jaise bhagavAn hai.n, vaisI ananta shakti tereme.n hai, aisA gurudev kahate the.