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mumukShuH- mAtAjI! vah puruShArtha karanA kaise?

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n lagan lagAnI, bAharame.n kahI.n ruchi na lage, AtmAkA svarUp kaise prApta ho? aisI ruchi yadi jAgR^it ho to phir usakA chitta us or muDe. shAstra svAdhyAy, tattva vichAr, gurukI vANI sunanI. guru virAjate the tab unakI vANI milatI thI. gurune jo kahA us prakArake shAstra paDhe, vichAr kare, usakI lagan lagAye. dev- guru-shAstrakI mahimA, gurune kyA kahA hai, AtmAkA svarUp kaise prApta ho, usake vichAr kare. us prakArakA vA.nchan kare, us prakArakI mahimA kare. bAharakI ruchi kam kare.

.. janma-maraN, janma-maraN (chalate rahatA hai). rAg ho use aisA lage, bAkI janma- maraN sa.nsArakA svarUp hI hai. baDe chakravartI chale jAte hai.n, dUsaro.nkA kyA? lAkh pUrvakA AyuShya ho to bhI AyuShya pUrA ho jAtA hai. sAgaropamakA AyuShya pUrA ho jAtA hai. to is pa.nchamakAlame.n to AyuShya kitanA hai? janma-maraN dekhakar vairAgya karane jaisA hai. AtmAkA svarUp samajhe. kisIke sambandha ekasamAn nishchit hote hI nahI.n. koI kahA.N-se AtA hai, koI kahA.N-se AtA hai. ... phir usake AyuShyakA jitanA mel ho utanA rahe, phir chale jAte hai.n.

... AtmAkI ruchi kI, vaisA sab kiyA aisA mAnakar shAnti rakhanI. dev-guru- shAstra par... sharaNarUp AtmA hI hai. dev-guru-shAstra shubhabhAvame.n aur a.ntarame.n AtmA j~nAyak, vahI karane jaisA hai. puruShArtha svaya.nse karanA hai. jise lagan lagI ho vah svaya.n hI (karatA hai). karanA vahI hai, jIvanakI sArthakatA (usIme.n hai).

mumukShuH- ..

samAdhAnaH- sva-parakI ekatvabuddhi hai. ekatvabuddhi toDakar apanameme.n (ekatvabuddhi kare). parake sAth ekatvabuddhi hai, vah svakI or ekatvabuddhi karake parase vibhakta honA vah karanekA hai. ... parantu dR^iShTi to a.ntarame.n ... dravya par dR^iShTi karanI hai. usakA j~nAn, usame.n lInatA vah karanA hai. puruShArtha to svaya.nko hI karanA paDatA hai. usakI lagan lagAnI, mahimA karanI. chaitanyake mUlame.n jAkar use grahaN karanA, vah karanA hai. ... usakI or usakI lagan laganI chAhiye to hotA hai.

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mumukShuH- lagan lagAyI hai, parantu jaise hI bhedaj~nAn karate hai.n, vaise..

samAdhAnaH- bAr-bAr us or puruShArtha, j~nAn, us or dR^iShTi, us or pariNati bAra.nbAr usakA puruShArtha karanA chAhiye. ... svaya.n kiye binA rahatA hI nahI.n. bAharakI ... svaya.n hI karatA hai.

mumukShuH- ... jaisA puruShArtha uThanA chAhiye us prakArakA nahI.n uThatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- svaya.nkI kShati hai.

samAdhAnaH- ... siddha bhagavAn jaisA svarUp pragaT karanA ho to AtmA siddha bhagavAn jaisA hai. to vah sab vikalpase ChUTakar AtmAko pahachAne to bhavakA abhAv ho. shubhabhAv Aye usase puNyabandha ho to devalok mile. ... a.ntarame.n AtmAkI svAnubhUti ho vah mokShakA upAy hai. a.ntarame.n dR^iShTi karake a.ntarame.nse muktikA mArga (pragaT hotA hai).

pahale A.nshik mokShakA svarUp A.nshikarUpase svAnubhavame.n AtA hai. phir visheSh- visheSh andar lInatA karate-karate munidashA Ayee, usame.n kevalaj~nAn hotA hai. mokShakA upAy vahI hai. AtmAko pahichAne. mai.n chaitanya j~nAyak AtmA jAnanevAlA andar tattva hai use pahichAne. usame.n Ananda, usame.n sukh hai. usake liye tattvavichAr, vA.nchan, svAdhyAy Adi kare. use sarva prakArakI Asakti TUT jAtI hai, bAharakI ruchi ChUT jAy, ChUT jAtI hai. use sabakA tyAg ho jAtA hai aisA nahI.n, parantu use a.ntarame.nse sab ras ChUT jAtA hai aur AtmAko pahachAnanekA prayatna kare to a.ntarame.n mokSha hai. mokSha bAharase nahI.n hotA hai. shubhabhAvanAo.nse puNyabandha hotA hai.

mumukShuH- merA yah kahanA hai ki jo mandir, mUrti aur ye jo sab karate hai.n, usame.n apanI bhAvanA to shubh hotI hai,...

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vah to shubh (bhAv hai). puNya bandhatA hai.

mumukShuH- puNya bandhatA hai aur jo mandir ham banavAte hai.n, usake ek andar Aj subah mai.n baiThA thA, vahA.N ek bhAI baiThe the, isame.n paise dete hai.n, ... un logo.nko puNyAnubandha pAp AtA hai? vahA.N jAnake bAd ...

samAdhAnaH- puNya hI bandhatA hai. dUsare log chAhe jo karate ho.n, parantu jo mandir ba.NdhavAtA hai, usakI to shubhabhAvanA hotI hai. use shraddhA to vahI rakhanI hai ki ye to shubhabhAv hai. mokSha to andar svAnubhUtise hotA hai. use shraddhA to yahI rakhanI hai. parantu bIchame.n shubhabhAvanAe.N Aye binA nahI.n rahatI. isaliye mandir ba.NdhavAye usame.n koI kuCh bhAv kare, koI kuCh bhAv kare, vah to usakI svata.ntratA par hai. usake sAth kuCh nahI.n hai. svaya.n apane shubhabhAv karatA hai. dUsare log kyA karate hai.n, vah dUsare par nirbhar karatA hai. pratyek AtmA svata.ntra hai.n. dUsare log kyA karate ho.n, koI shubhabhAv

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kare, koI kyA kare, kyo.n kare, vah us par nirbhar karatA hai.

mumukShuH- jo vya.ntar dev ginate hai.n... ve log kaise jAte hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- sachche dev to ariha.nt, guru aur shAstra. ariha.ntake sivA koI devako mAne nahI.n. sachche sudev, suguru aur sushAstrake sivAy kisIko (mAne nahI.n). kuguru, kudevako mAnanevAle to... vah to tAranevAle nahI.n hai. .. har jagah ghumate rahe aise dev hI thoDe hI hote haiai.n. apane bAp-dAdAko aise mAn lenA ki vah sab dev hote hai.n aur usako ichChA rahA karatI hai,... sab bAp-dAdA aise hI hote ho.nge? koI achChI gati, U.NchI gatime.n nahI.n jAte ho.nge, aisA kyo.n mAn lenA? sab vaise hI dev hote hai.n. usakA bhav vaisA hI hotA hai aisA kaise mAn lenA? .. vah kyo.n nahI.n ho? aur aise suradhan hI hote ho.nge sab? devalokake devase kisIkA uddhAr nahI.n hotA. vah to bhagavAn ariha.ntadevase uddhAr hotA hai, bhagavAnakI vANIse uddhAr hotA hai. devalokake devase kisIkA uddhAr nahI.n hotA. devalokake dev to bhagavAnakI sevA, pUjA karane Ate hai.n. vah dev kisIkA uddhAr nahI.n karate, us devase kisIkA uddhAr nahI.n hotA. vah kisIko tArate nahI.n. ... jUThI bhramaNA aur mAnyatAe.N hai.n.

mumukShuH- jo .. vah kaun hai?

samAdhAnaH- vah sab bhramaNA hai.

mumukShuH- .. Ate hai.n, vah koI bhI AtmA hogA.

mumukShuH- pahale devalokame.n yah aur dUsare devalokame.n is prakArase vahA.N AyuShya hai. vahA.N is prakArase...

samAdhAnaH- bhale hI ho, jo bhI ho. apane to AtmAkA karanA hai na. devalokame.n to devakI R^iddhi hai to usame.n sab hotA hai. devako sab hotA hai. devo.nkI R^iddhi jyAdA hotI hai. devo.nko khAnA-pInA nahI.n hai. unako to Uch-nIch jAtike dev hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- to baDe devo.nkI ChoTe dev sevA kare.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, aisA hotA hai. ChoTe dev, baDe dev aisA hotA hai.

mumukShuH- ..vartamAname.n pa.ncham kAl chalatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- mokSha bhale na ho, parantu AtmAko pahichAnA jA sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- AtmAko pahichAnA aisA kab khyAlame.n Aye?

samAdhAnaH- vah to svaya.n apanA jAn sakatA hai. svaya.n apanA jAn sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- pa.nchamakAlame.n jab tak kevalaj~nAn na hotA, tab tak mokSha nahI.n hotA. to pa.nchamakAlame.n kevalaj~nAn nahI.n hotA, kyo.nki pa.nchamakAl chalatA hai. isaliye pa.nchamakAlame.n kabhI kevalaj~nAn nahI.n hotA.

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samAdhAnaH- samyagdarshan hotA hai, mokShakA prAra.nbh hotA hai, mokShakA a.nsh pragaT hotA hai. samyagdarshan hotA hai.

mumukShuH- samyagdarshan arthAt kyA?

samAdhAnaH- AtmAkI svAnubhUti. AtmAko a.ntarame.n pahichAnakar, AtmAko a.ntarase nirAlA pragaT kar svaya.n AtmAkA anubhav kar sakatA hai. is sharIrake andar AtmA hai. AtmA vikalpase bhinna, vikalpakI jAlase bhinna AtmAkA anubhav kar sakatA hai. vah samyagdarshan hai. siddha bhagavAn hai, usakA a.nsh jise pragaT hotA hai vah samyagdarshan, vah svAnubhUti.

mumukShuH- log jo Aj tIrthayAtrA karate hai.n..

samAdhAnaH- puNya bandhatA hai, dUsarA kuCh nahI.n hai. puNya bandhatA hai.

mumukShuH- usake bajAy vah ghar baiThakar apane AtmAkA kalyAN kare to jyAdA achChA mAn sakate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- AtmAkA kare to. nahI.n to jisako jo ThIk lage vah kare. AtmAkI jij~nAsA karake AtmAko pahichAne to jyAdA achChA hai.

mumukShuH- AtmAko pahichAnaneke liye shubhakarmakI jarUrat hai?

samAdhAnaH- AtmAko pahichAnanekA kArya kare usame.n shubhakarma sAthame.n A hI jAte hai.n. manuShyapanA prApta kiyA, ... AtmAkI jij~nAsA jAge usame.n shubhabhAvanA sAthame.n A hI jAtI hai. .. pahale yah vichArane jaisA hai. jisame.n bahubhAg AtmAkI bAt Aye vah Agam hai. Agam kise kahanA vah karane jaisA hai. ye sab Agam hai.n usame.n AtmAkI bAt kitanI AtI hai, yah vichArane jaisA hai. jo shAstrame.n, jisame.n AtmAkI bAte.n AtI hai.n, AtmAkA mokSha kaise ho, dravya-guN-paryAy, utpAd-vyay-dhruv aisI jo sUkShma-sUkShma AtmAkI svAnubhUtikI bAt Aye vah Agam hai. yah sab Agam hai yA nahI.n, isakA vichAr karane jaisA hai.

mumukShuH- mai.n vahI pUChatA hU.N, Agam hai.n aur Ap vichAr karane jaisA hai aisA Ap kahate ho, isaliye mai.n kahatA hU.N...

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vichArane jaisA hai. Agam kise kahanA vah vichArane jaisA hai.

mumukShuH- jisame.n AtmAkI bAte.n AtI ho...

samAdhAnaH- Agam kise kahate hai.n, yah vichArane jaisA hai, vichAr karake nakkI karane jaisA hai.

samAdhAnaH- bhagavAnakA samavasaraN hotA hai, aise shaktishAlI jIv hI hote hai.n. bIs hajAr siDhIyA.N chaDhakar bhagavAnake samavasaraName.n vANI sunane Upar jAte hai.n. devo.nme.n

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aur manuShyo.nme.n itanI shakti hotI hai. vartamAn jaise sharIr usake nahI.n hote. usake sharIrame.n chaDh jAy aisI shakti (hotI hai). abhI Ap koI chI.nTIko kaho to vah kaise chal sake, usake jaisI bAt hai. vartamAnakAlake manuShyo.nke sharIr aur chauthe kAlake manuShyo.nke sharIrame.n pharka hotA hai. vah puNyashAlI jIv hote hai.n. unakA AyuShya baDA hotA hai, unakA sharIr alag hotA hai.

mumukShuH- mahAvIr bhagavAnake samayakI bAt hai na yah to?

samAdhAnaH- mahAvIr bhagavAnake samayame.n vah chaturtha kAl thA.

mumukShuH- kAl chaturtha parantu sabakA AyuShya..

samAdhAnaH- bhale AyuShya nahI.n thA, parantu sharIr alag the. sab sunate hai.n. tirya.nch sunane jAte hai.n, manuShya jAte hai.n. ... yathArtha hai, bhagavAnakI vANI sunane sab jAte the. vah yathArtha hai. bhagavAnakI vANI sunanekA, sabakA us prakArakA puNya thA. vah puNya abhI khatma ho gaye hai.n.

mumukShuH- ...

samAdhAnaH- sabame.n tAratamyatAme.n pharka thA. sab alpa-alpa thA. abhI vartamAname.n bahut baDh gayA hai. abhI samyagdarshan prApta karanA durlabh hai. us samayame.n to kShaNamAtrame.n samyagdarshan prApta karate the aur munidashA bhI kShaNamAtrame.n prApta kar lete the. thoDI derame.n a.ntarmuhUrtame.n kevalaj~nAn prApta kar lete the. us prakArake log AtmAkA vaisA puruShArtha karate the.

... AtmAko pahichAnanA, AtmAkA kalyAN karanA. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA aur AtmAkA kalyAN karanA.

mumukShuH- ...

samAdhAnaH- abhI yathArtha nahI.n huA hai. sachamUchame.n duHkh lage to sukhakA mArga khoje binA rahe nahI.n. sachchA duHkh abhI nahI.n lagatA hai. kharI ruchi lage, a.ntar vichAr kare, vA.nchan kare... baDe-baDe chakravartI bhI sab ChoD dete hai.n. kyo.nki usame.n use sukh nahI.n lagA hai. jinake pAs dev hAjir hote the, ... chakravartI aur tIrtha.nkaro.nne bhI sab ChoD diyA thA. tab AtmAme.n kuCh visheShatA hogI isaliye ChoD diyA thA. un sabako AtmAme.n visheShatA lagI. jinhe.n puNyakA koI pAr nahI.n thA, bAhya anukUlatAkA pAr nahI.n thA, aise puNyashAlI jIv the. chaturtha kAlame.n aise rAjA, aise chakravartI sabane ChoD diyA. isaliye a.ntar AtmAme.n sukh bharA hai. bAharame.n vyartha prayatna karanA vah jUThI bhrAnti hai. baDe tIrtha.nkaro.n, jinakI dev sevA karate the, to bhI ChoDakar AtmAkI sAdhanA (karane chal paDe). AtmAme.n hI sab bharA hai. aisI shraddhA karake andarase vikalpajAl (toDakar)

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bhedaj~nAn karake j~nAyak AtmAko pahichAn liyA.

mumukShuH- .. AtmAkI pahichAn hotI nahI.n hai, AtmAkI bAte.n sunate hai.n,...

samAdhAnaH- andar puruShArthakI kShati hai, ruchikI kamI hai. mArga pakaDame.n (nahI.n AtA hai). jo guru aur shAstrame.n.. jo gurune kahA hai, usakA vichAr karanA. kis mArga par jAyA jAtA hai? usakA mArga kyA hai? AtmAkA kyA svabhAv hai? mai.n kaun hU.N? merA svabhAv kyA hai? vah sab vichAr karanA aur bAharakI ruchi ChoD denI.

mumukShuH- to AtmAkA anubhav hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- to hotA hai, hA.N, to hotA hai.

mumukShuH- ruchi laganekI AvashyakatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- a.ntarase ruchi laganI chAhiye. ruchi lage to vichAr Aye to usakA vA.nchan ho, us or a.ntarase jhuke to hotA hai. binA ruchike nahI.n hotA. bAharakI ruchi lagI ho tab tak (nahI.n hotA). andarakI ruchi laganI chAhiye, utanI lagan laganI chAhiye.

... gurudevane kahA usI mArga par jAne jaisA hai. vahI ruchi aur dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA. AtmA j~nAyakako pahichAnanA aur dev-guru-shAstrakI jaise mahimA ho vaise karane jaisA hai. jinendra devakI pUjA karanI, jinendra devakI mahimA, gurukI mahimA, shAstra mahimA vah sab karane jaisA hai. a.ntar AtmAko pahichAnaneke liye j~nAyak AtmA kaise pahichAname.n Aye? dhyey ek hai. Apake mAtA aur pitAko vah ruchi thI aur vah sabako karane jaisA hai. hasamukhabhAI to...

mumukShuH- yahA.N to ek-ek rajakaName.n gurudevake smaraN bhare hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA. jinendra dev, guru, guru kyA kahate hai.n, gurune mArga batAyA us mArga par chalane jaisA hai. shAstrame.n bhI vahI AtA hai ki AtmA j~nAyak hai, jAnanevAlA hai, vah sab AtA hai. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA aur j~nAyak AtmAko kaise pahichAnanA. AtmA bhinna hai, yah sharIr bhinna hai. AtmAko pahichAnaneke liye dev- guru-shAstrakI mahimA.. andar AtmA koI apUrva chIj hai. gurudev kahate the, unakI vANIme.n apUrvatA thA. yah koI alag hI vastu hai. svAnubhUti kaise pragaT karanI? usake liye bhedaj~nAn karanA, ye vikalpa, sa.nkalpa-vikalpa apanA svabhAv nahI.n hai. usase AtmAko bhinna karake AtmA kaise pahachAnA jAy? vah mahimA, vah ruchi Adi karane jaisA hai. aur shubhabhAvame.n dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA jo ho vah karane jaisA hai.

mumukShuH- dUsarI koI jagah aisA nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n, sab tuchCha hai. yahI ek karane jaisA hai, sachchA yah hai. pahalese

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inako ruchi hai.

mumukShuH- pitAjIko bahut thI na.

samAdhAnaH- pitAjIko, mAtAjIko sabako. chattArI ma.ngala.n, ariha.ntA ma.ngala.n, sAhU ma.ngala.n, kevalipaNatto dhammo ma.ngala.n. chattArI loguttamA, ariha.ntA loguttamA, siddhA loguttamA, sAhU loguttamA, kevalipaNatto dhammo loguttamA.

chattArI sharaNa.n pavajjAmi, ariha.ntA sharaNa.n pavajjAmi, siddhA sharaNa.n pavajjAmi, kevalI paNatto dhammo sharaNa.n pavajjAmi.

chAr sharaN, chAr ma.ngal, chAr uttam kare je, bhavasAgarathI tare te sakaL karmano ANe a.nta. mokSha taNA sukh le ana.nt, bhAv dharIne je guN gAye, te jIv tarIne muktie jAya. sa.nsAramA.nhI sharaN chAr, avar sharaN nahI.n koI. je nar-nArI Adare tene akShay avichal pad hoya. a.ngUThe amR^it varase labdhi taNA bhaNDAra. guru gautamane samarIe to sadAy manavA.nChit phal dAtA.