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mumukShuH- .. mAtAjIke AshIrvAd mil gaye, jAmanagarakA... hame.n to usI din vishvAs ho gayA thA.

samAdhAnaH- ..kI mahimA pUre jagatame.n hai. yah to pa.nchamakAl hai. jinendra pratimA par koI mushkil Aye to devakA Asan chalAyamAn hotA hai. jinendra pratimA koI kam bAt nahI.n hai. ye to pa.nchamakAl hai isaliye koI dev nahI.n Ate. nahI.n to devakA Asan chalAyamAn hotA hai. jinamandir Uparase koI vimAn chalA jAtA ho to vimAn tha.nbh jAtA hai. vimAn chalatA nahI.n, yahA.N bhagavAnakA mandir hai, mai.n darshan karake jAU.N. aise Upar vimAn tha.nbh jAtA hai. aisA kathAme.n, purAName.n AtA hai.

jinendra pratimAkI AshAtanAkA phal bhI utanA hai, usakI mahimA bhI utanI hai. jinendra pratimAko a.njanAne usake shokake dveShake kAraN thoDI bAhar rakhI, usakA pariNAm usame pashchAtAp kiyA, koI ArjikA yA munine upadesh diyA, usane bhagavAnako phirase dhAmadhUmase virAjamAn kiye. pashchAtAp kiyA. to bhI usake anAdarakA kuCh pAp rah gayA. aise prasa.ng Aye ki, usake mA.N-bAp ghar par nahI.n rakhe, aisA bananA to bahut mushkil hotA hai, mA.N-bApane gharase nikAl diyA, phir ja.ngalame.n jAnA paDA. pratimAkA anAdar yAnI bhagavAnako mandirase bAhar nikAlanA yAnI mahApApakA kAraN hai. shAstrame.n, purAName.n AtA hai. yah kathAkI bAt nahI.n hai, yah purAName.n AtA hai.

vah shabda bAr-bAr AtA thA, "ghaT-ghaT a.ntar jin vase, ghaT-ghaT a.ntar jain'. vah shlok pravachaname.n bAr-bAr AtA thA. "ghaT-ghaT a.ntar jin vase'. unakA hR^iday kahatA thA, "ghaT-ghaT a.ntar jin vase, ghaT-ghaT a.ntar jain', bAr-bAr vah shlok AtA thA. svaya.n jin honevAle hai.n. sab bhagavAn AtmA hai (aisA hI kahate the). pratyek AtmA bhagavAn hI hai, parantu gurudevako a.ntar... pratyek AtmA bhagavAn hai. "ghaT-ghaT a.ntar jin vase..' sab ghaTame.n jin hI basate hai.n. ...

mumukShuH- .. us vakta mAhol kitanA Anandamay hogA ki yah phattehakumAr tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n, aisI bAt samavasaraName.n chAro.n or bAt phail gayI thI. ..

samAdhAnaH- ... yah rAjakumAr bhaviShyame.n tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n. bhagavAnakI vANI(me.n

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AyA ki), yah rAjakumAr bhaviShyame.n tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n. vANI samavasaraName.n prasar gayI thI. yah rAjakumAr tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n, (yah sunakar) sabako Ananda huA. samavasaraName.n bAt prasiddha huyI.

mumukShuH- ... Ananda-Ananda ho gayA..

samAdhAnaH- jise Ananda ho use hotA hai.

mumukShuH- gurudev pahalese hI kahate the, sha.nkA nahI.n karanA, yah pa.nchamakAl hai, hajam nahI.n hogI, kahI.n bAt mat karanA.

samAdhAnaH- sthApanA ho sakatI hai usakI dalIl chImanabhAI, cha.ndubhAI... digambar samAj pUrA virUddha ho jAye. abhI unhe.n shA.nt rahanekA ek kAraN hotA hai. kisIkA Adar karaneme.n dikkat nahI.n hai. apane bhagavAn surakShit rahe. koI samAjako takalIph nahI.n ho. abhI to kitane bhagavAn honevAle hai.n. usake pahale yahA.N pUjA, bhakti karanekA bhAgya mile... ye to AnandakI bAt hai. bhagavAn to jab ho.nge tab to... abhI to kitane bhagavAn honevAle hai.n. jis din bhagavAn ho.nge us din pUjA, bhaktikA I.ntajAr karanA, usake badale abhI hI pUjA, bhakti (kar le.n). prasa.ng AyA hai use kaun dUr kar sakatA hai? I.ntajAr karaneke bajAy abhI hI pUjA, bhaktikA prasa.ng hai, usame.n jo bhaktivAle hai.n unhe.n kahI.n mudat ADe nahI.n AtI. use bhakti uChalatI hai. .. aisI bAt hai. yah rAjakumAr tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n.

mumukShuH- gurudevane svaya.n utsav manAyA aisA hai kyA?

samAdhAnaH- aisA kuCh nahI.n hai. aisA koI khyAl nahI.n AtA. vimalanAth bhagavAnane utsav manAyA thA. agale bhavame.n hone vAle hai.n, unho.nne utsav manAyA hai. bahut samIp hai. vahA.N-se devame.n jAkar turanta tIrtha.nkar hone vAle the na. unho.nne utsav manAyA. svaya.nne utsav manAyA. svaya.nko Ananda ho gayA hai. svaya.nko khyAl to hotA hai, parantu bhagavAnane kahA isaliye adhik Ananda AyA, isaliye utsav manAte hai.n. ghAtaki khaNDa dvipame.n pUrva bhavame.n the. pUrvame.n ghAtakI khaNDake kitane hI tIrtha.nkar yahA.N padhAre hai.n. do-chAr bhagavAnake to yahA.N chitra hai. pUrva bhavame.n ghAtakI khaNDame.n the, vahA.N tIrtha.nkar gotra bA.NdhA, yahA.N bharat kShetrame.n tIrtha.nkar hue hai.n. .. ghAtakI khaNDame.n the. ... tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n, to unhe.n Ananda ho gayA hai. AgAmI bhavame.n tIrtha.nkar honevAlA hU.N, yah bAt sunakar unhe.n ekadam Ananda A gayA. svaya.n hI utsav manAte hai.n. shAstrame.n AtA hai, mai.n tIrtha.nkar hU.N, isaprakAr utsav manAyA hai.

mumukShuH- trilokInAthane tilak kiyA.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevako vah bAt kahI isaliye phir shurUAtame.n pravachaname.n bolate

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the ki trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, phir aur kyA chAhiye? hIrAbhAIke ba.ngaleme.n gurudev the. (sa.nvat) 1993 varShame.n. pravachaname.n to jise khyAl ho use mAlUm paDe. bAkI gurudev bAhar kuCh nahI.n bolate the. pahale to bahut hI gupta thA. pravachaname.n AtI thI, jise mAlUm ho use khyAl AtA thA ki is arthame.n bolate hai.n. ... ve svaya.n kahate the, tIrtha.nkar hU.N. mujhe kuCh mAlUm nahI.n thA. ve mAnate hai.n, aisA mujhe bhI nahI.n mAlUm thA ki gurudev svaya.nko kyA mAnate hai.n.

mujhe aisA lagatA thA ki ye mahApuruSh hai. parantu ye tIrtha.nkar ho.nge, aisA mere dimAgame.n bhI nahI.n thA. mujhe jo AyA vah gurudevako kahate-kahate aisA lagatA thA ki mai.n yah kahatI hU.N, parantu gurudevako kyA lagegA? mai.nne to himmat karake kahA (to) gurudevako ekadam pramod AyA. kyo.nki ve svaya.n to andar mAnate the. ve mAnate hai.n, yah mujhe mAlUm bhI nahI.n thA.

mumukShuH- phir bAtakA mel ho gayA.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, mel ho gayA. gurudevane bAdame.n (kahA), mai.n tIrtha.nkar hU.N aur mujhe AbhAs (hotA hai), vah sab bAt kI. bAdame.n kahA.

mumukShuH- bAdame.n kahA.

samAdhAnaH- bAdame.n. .. tIn bAr OM AyA.

mumukShuH- ..

samAdhAnaH- mai.n tIrtha.nkar hU.N, aisA mujhe kuCh andarase bhAs hotA hai. aisA gurudev kahate the. aur rAjakumArakA to gurudevako svapna AyA thA, dIkShA leneke bAda. mai.n rAjakumAr hU.N, baDA sharIr hai. yahA.NkA sharIr nahI.n, vah sharIr alag thA, aisA kahate the. paghaDI, jharIke kapaDe Adi saba.

sIma.ndhar bhagavAnane kahA ki yah rAjakumAr tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n. .. bhaviShyame.n tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n. sIma.ndhar bhagavAnakI vANIme.n AyA hai ki yah rAjakumAr bhaviShyame.n tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n.

mumukShuH- mAtAjIne sAkShAt sunA hai.

samAdhAnaH- bhagavAnakA samavasaraN alag, bhagavAn bhI alag, vANI bhI alag aur sunanevAle sab dev, deviyA.N, gaNadhar, muni, sabhA, rAjA-rAniyA.N, arjikA, lAkho shrAvak, shrAvikA, vah sabhA hI alag aur vah utsAh bhI alaga. ye rAjakumAr to tIrtha.nkar hai.n. aise rAjakumAr .. ye rAjakumAr! ye to tIrtha.nkar hai.n. bhagavAnanI vANI Adi sabakA mel ho gayA. bhagavAnakI vANIme.n AyA ki ye to tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n.

gurudevakI ga.nbhIratA. pahale ga.nbhIr, gupta rahatA thA. do shabda bhI bAhar nahI.n Ate

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the, sab andar hI rahatA thA. kisIko nahI.n kahate the. kuCh-kuCh logo.nko andar- andar gurudev bahut guptarUpase kahate the.

mumukShuH- mAmAko kahA to .. kaisA lagatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- .. sabakI sunanekI taiyArI.. viruddha mAholame.n kyA ...

samAdhAnaH- ... mai.n trikAl aur yah bhed hai, itanA jAnatA hai. usame.n utanA jor nahI.n hai usame.n. yah to vedan hai, merI sva orakI paryAy hai, svakI orakA bhAg hai. vah vibhAvakI orakA bhAg thA. ye mere rishte-sambandhavAle hai.n, usake sAth koI nAtA yA sambandha nahI.n hai. apanI shuddha paryAy svaya.nkI jAtikI hai. nij svabhAvakI j~nAti vAlA hai. .. jor nahI.n hai. dR^iShTikI apekShAse jAnate hai.n ki yah paryAy a.nsh hai. dR^iShTikA jor dravya par hai aur paryAyako vaise bhinna nahI.n karatA, vaise joravAlA nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- dono.nme bahut a.ntar hai.

samAdhAnaH- dono.nme.n bahut a.ntar hai. apekShA jAnatA hai ki dravya trikAl, guN trikAl hai aur yah pragaT paryAy hai vah a.nsh hai. aisA jor usame.n nahI.n hai. yah svabhAvakI orakA bhAg hai, vah vibhAvakA bhAg hai.

mumukShuH- 38vI.n gAthAme.n sabako ekasAth atya.nt bhinna hai, aisA kahA. to bhI usame.n aisA jor-jorakA a.ntar rahatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- a.ntar rahatA hai. j~nAn use barAbar jAnatA hai ki yah paryAy merI orakI hai, parantu paryAy hai. usame.n svabhAvabhed hai, atya.nt bhinna hai. svabhAvabhed hai. isame.n svabhAvabhed nahI.n hotA. a.nshakA bhed hotA hai. svabhAvabhed nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- ye mere rishtedAr hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, dR^iShTikI apekShAse ekame.n DAl de, lekin usame.n samajhanA paDatA hai. dravyakarma, bhAvakarma, bhed vah sab AtA hai. bhedAbheda. sab paryAyake bhedase AtmA bhinna hai. usakI apekShA samajhanI paDatI hai. dR^iShTikI apekShAse ekame.n jAtA hai, sabase bhinna paDatA hai. usame.n jo shuddhaparyAy hai, .. yah kShayopashamake bhed, ye bhed to un sabame.n apekShA samajhatA hai. kShAyikake bhed, vibhAvake bheda. dR^iShTikI apekShAse ekame.n jAtA hai, parantu j~nAname.n sab apekShAe.N rahatI hai. dR^iShTikI apekShAme.n ek tattva hU.N, ek dravya hU.N, aisA jor rahatA hai. parantu j~nAname.n sab vivek rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- guurudev kahate the, billI bachcheko pakaDe aur chUheko pakaDe, dono.nkI pakaDame.n pharka hai.

samAdhAnaH- andarase nyArA ho gayA hai. pakaD-pakaDame.n pharka hai, aisA gurudev kahate the. dR^iShTikI apekShAse ekame.n kahate hai.n. isase bhinna, isase bhinna, isase bhinna, isase bhinna

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kiyA, isase bhinna kiyA. usame.n apekShA hotI hai. paryAyake bhed, shuddhaparyAyako sAdhanekA puruShArtha rahatA hai. dravya par dR^iShTike jorame.n sab sadhatA hai. nirmal paryAy pragaT karanekA to puruShArtha chAlU hai. dR^iShTikI apekShAse bhinna karatA hai, sAdhanAme.n usakA puruShArtha karake sAdhatA hai aur us vibhAvako to bhinna karatA hai, nikAl detA hai. ise sAdhanekA prayatna hai. paryAyako sAdhatA nahI.n hai, parantu usame.n apekShA AtI hai. dravyadR^iShTike jorame.n j~nAn, darshan, chAritrako sAdhanekA puruShArtha chAlU hai. vItarAgadashA.

mumukShuH- dR^iShTikA kArya alag prakArakA aur puruShArtha karanekA kArya sAthame.n chAlU hai.

samAdhAnaH- dR^iShTi aur j~nAn dono.n sAth hote hai.n. puruShArtha bhI chalatA hai. ek bhedaj~nAnakI dhArAme.n sab A jAtA hai. ek dR^iShTi aur j~nAna. usake sAth lInatAkA puruShArtha, sab sAthame.n rahate hai.n. paraspar sambandha vAle hai.n. paraspar ek-dUsarese viruddha kArya karanevAle nahI.n hai. dR^iShTikA jor dravya par AtA hai, j~nAn dono.nkA vivek karatA hai. sAthame.n puruShArthakI Dor chAlU hai. paraspar ekadUsareko kisIko toDate nahI.n, sab sAth rahate hai.n.

mumukShuH- vikalpa Aye to vikalpako samAneke liye kyA karanA?

samAdhAnaH- vikalpa ChoDaneke liye? samAneke liye. sabakA ek hI upAy hai, j~nAyakako pahachAne to vikalpa samAte hai.n. shuddhAtmAko pahachAne ki mai.n to j~nAyak hU.N. vikalpa merA svabhAv nahI.n hai, mai.n nirvikalpa tattva hU.N. yah vikalpa samAnekA upAy hai. lekin j~nAyakako yathArtha pahachAne to vikalpa samAte hai.n. nahI.n to use ashubhabhAvame.nse shubhabhAvame.n palaT sakatA hai.

pratham jij~nAsAkI bhUmikAme.n dUsare vichArame.nse tattva vichArame.n, dev-guru-shAstrame.n Adime.n vichArako palaTatA hai. bAkI vikalpa vAstavik rUpase kab samAte hai.n? pahale manda shubhabhAvarUp ho, vAstavik kab ChUTe? j~nAyakako pahachAne to. bhedaj~nAn kare to vikalpa samAte hai.n. vikalpase bhinna paDe to vikalpa vAstavik rUpase ChUTate hai.n, bhinna paDate hai.n. vAstavame.n to nirvikalpa hotA hai, tab vikalpa ChUT jAte hai.n. bAkI bhedaj~nAnakI dhArAme.n vikalpa bhinna paDate hai.n, vikalpa manda ho jAte hai.n. j~nAyakakI pariNati pragaT kare to. jabatak vah nahI.n ho tabatak bhAvanA kare ki, mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, vikalpa merA svabhAv nahI.n hai, mai.n usase bhinna hU.N. aise bAra.nbAr j~nAyakakI mahimA lAye, j~nAyakakA svabhAv pahachAnakar, mai.n yah j~nAyak hU.N, yah vikalpa merA svabhAv nahI.n hai, isaprakAr vikalpa samAnekA usakA ek prayAs chalatA hai. ashubhame.nse shubhame.n lAye, parantu vAstavik rUpase vikalpa usase bhinna paDate. j~nAyakako pahachAnanekA prayatna kare to vah vikalpa ChUTanekA upAy hai, usase bhinna paDanekA upAy hai.