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mumukShuH- astitvako grahaN karanA vah svarUpakI mahimA hai?

samAdhAnaH- svabhAvakA astitva grahaN kare usame.n mahimA (A jAtI hai). vah astitva grahaN kab kare? apanI mahimA Aye tab hI grahaN karatA hai. usakI mahimA na Aye aur use rUkhA lage to grahaN hI na kare. usakI mahimA Aye to hI grahaN karatA hai. is j~nAyakame.n hI sab bharA hai. j~nAyak svaya.n bhagavAn hai.

jaise jinendra bhagavAnakI mahimA Aye, gurukI mahimA Aye, vaise j~nAyakadevakI mahimA Aye. vah bhI-j~nAyakadev bhI ek bhagavAn hai. ananta shaktiyo.nse bharA huA. jaise jinendra bhagavAn pragaTarUpase bhagavAn hai, vaise yah shaktirUpase bhagavAn hI hai. aise use a.ntarame.nse mahimA Aye, usakI ga.nbhIratA bhAse to usakA astitva grahaN kare. to mahimApUrvak kiyA huA, grahaN kiyA huA astitva jorapUrvakakA astitva use grahaN hotA hai. nahI.n to vah astitva grahaN nahI.n kar sakatA hai. rUkhA lage ki j~nAyak sirpha bolanemAtra ho to vah vAstavikarUpase grahaN nahI.n ho sakatA. shaktirUpase. gurudev kahate the ki tU bhagavAn hai. tU chaitanya bhagavAn hai. shaktirUpa. pragaT bAdame.n hotA hai.

mumukShuH- vichAr karatA hai phir bhI pariNatime.n nahI.n AtA hai athavA letA nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- vichArame.n nakkI karatA hai, lekin vah kAryame.n nahI.n AtA hai. pariNati us rUp apanI or (AtI nahI.n). mai.n bhinna hU.N, yah hU.N, aisA nakkI karatA hai. parantu bhinnatArUp usakA jo kArya AnA chAhiye vah kArya nahI.n hotA hai, usakA kArya nahI.n karatA hai. isaliye pariNati jyo.nkI tyo.n ekatvatArUp pariNamatI rahatI hai.

mumukShuH- arthAt j~nAyakako grahaN nahI.n karatA?

samAdhAnaH- j~nAyakako grahaN nahI.n karatA hai isaliye pariNatime.n bhedaj~nAn hotA nahI.n. sva.nyako grahaN kare to vibhAvase bhed paDe ki yah mai.n hU.N aur yah nahI.n hU.N.

mumukShuH- isaliye puruShArthakI svaya.nkI hI kachAs hai.

samAdhAnaH- svaya.nkI kShati hai, puruShArthakI kachAs hai. svaya.nko grahaN kare, j~nAyakako grahaN kare balapUrvaka. us dR^iShTike avalambanase vah Age baDhatA hai. aur usakI aisI bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA, j~nAtAkI dhArA ugra ho to hI use vikalpa TUTakar svAnubhUti hotI

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hai. pahale to dR^iShTikA bal use AtA hai. aur achChI tarah svaya.nkA grahaN, avalamban kare j~nAyakakA. to usakI j~nAtAkI dhArA ugra ho to vikalpa TUTe.

mumukShuH- samyagdarshan pragaT hone pUrva upadesh denekA prasa.ng Ave to j~nAnIkI bhakti, j~nAnIkA us prakArakA upadesh.. dUsarA koI tattvakA upadesh nahI.n de sakatA, aisA koI bhAv hai? aisA kahanekA kyA prayojan hai?

samAdhAnaH- svaya.nko abhI pragaT nahI.n huA hai isaliye j~nAnIkI bhakti (prarUpit karanI). j~nAnIko hR^idayame.n (rakhanA). j~nAnIne jo mArga batAyA, us mArga par chalanA hai. arthAt tujhe koI svachChanda honekA avakAsh na rahe. j~nAnIkI bhaktikA upadesh denA, aisA kahA hai.

mumukShuH- dUsare jIvo.nko yadi upadesh to is prakArakA denA. tattvakI bAt karaneke bajAy, use j~nAnIke prati bhakti, j~nAnIke prati Age baDhe, us prakArakA upadesh mukhyapane (karanA).

mumukShuH- j~nAnIko mukhya rakhakar phir tattvakA..

samAdhAnaH- tattvakA (upadesh) nahI.n denA aisA to nahI.n hotA, tattvakA upadesh to denA, parantu usame.n j~nAnIko mukhya rakhanA, aisA usakA artha hai. tattvakA upadesh.. tattva mukhya grahaN kiye binA Age to baDh nahI.n sakatA. dUsaro.nko kahaneme.n.. tattva to mukhya hai, parantu tattvako samajhAnevAle kaun hai? ki j~nAnI hai. isaliye j~nAnIko Age rakhakar tU tattvakI bAt karanA. aisA usakA artha hai. tattva samajhAnevAle kaun hai.n? unakI mahimA hR^idayame.n rakhanA. aur vah tattva jo samajhAtA hai use Age rakhakar tattvakI bAt karanA. Age to tattvase baDhA jAtA hai, parantu use mArga darshAnevAle kaun hai.n? us j~nAnIko tU mukhya karake bAt karanA. aise arthame.n hai.

muumukShuH- (j~nAnIpuruShakA) Ashrit hI upadesh denekA adhikArI hai. samAdhAnaH- kalpanAse nahI.n, parantu j~nAnI kyA kahate hai.n? us mArga par upadesh denA, ve kahe us anusAra. tattva to bIchame.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- mukhya rakhakar usakA artha aisA hai?

samAdhAnaH- is prakArakA hai, mukhya rakhakara. (mokShamArga) batAnevAle kaun hai, unhe.n lakShyame.n rakhanA. nimitta-upAdAnako sAthame.n rakhanA. anAdi kAlakA anajAnA mArga pahale svaya.n jAne to j~nAnIkA upadesh milatA hai tab use deshanAlabdhi hotI hai. aisA nimitta- upAdAnakA sambandha hai. bhagavAn athavA guru mile tab deshanAlabdhi ho, aisA nimitta- upAdAnakA sambandha hai. j~nAnI dvArA mArga samajhame.n AtA hai. isaliye samajhanA a.ntarame.n upAdAnase hai, parantu j~nAnI sAthame.n hote hai.n. isaliye tU j~nAnIkI bAt sAthame.n rakhakar,

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u mukhya rakhakar samajhAnA, aisA usakA artha hai.usakA matalab usame.n nimitta kar detA hai, aisA nahI.n. hotA hai upAdAnase. parantu sAthame.n j~nAnI to hote hai.n. apanese hotA hai isaliye j~nAnIkA kuCh nahI.n, merese hI hotA hai, us prakArake svachChandame.n chalA na jAya. parantu j~nAnI sAthame.n hote hai.n, j~nAnI kyA kahate hai.n use tU lakShyame.n rakhakar bAt karanA. use mukhya rakhakara.

mumukShuH- is bArake gujarAtI Atmadharmame.n bhI ApakI bAt jo AyI hai, do bAt Apane (kahI). kAm to mujhe hI karanA hai, lekin sAthame.n Apake binA to nahI.n chalegA.

samAdhAnaH- us bhAvame.n.. mai.n svaya.n jAtA hU.N, parantu dev-guru-shAstrake binA mujhe nahI.n chalegA. Ap sAthame.n AnA. Apako sAthame.n hI rakhatA hU.N. sAthame.n rakhe binA mujhe nahI.n chalegA. mai.n jAtA to hU.N svaya.nse, lekin Apako to sAthame.n hI rakhanA hai. Apake sAthake binA mujhe chalegA nahI.n. aisA hai.

dev-guru-shAstrake binA mujhe chalegA nahI.n. dev-guru-shAstra binAkA jIvan vah jIvan kuCh nahI.n hai. dev-guru-shAstra sAthame.n ho aur puruShArtha... aisI bhAvanA hai. aur dev- guru-shAstra sAthame.n.n hote hI hai.n. svaya.n Age baDhatA hai usame.n dev-guru-shAstra hoto hai.n. andar apanA kalpavR^ikSha vah apanI bhAvanA, dev-guru-shAstrakA kalpavR^ikSha ugAyegA, vah AtA hai. Ap sab padhAriye, mujhe dev-guru-shAstrake binA nahI.n chalegA. bhale hI mai.n puruShArtha mujhase karu.N, to bhI Apake binA mujhe nahI.n chalegA. ApakA sAth to chAhiye. aisA hai.

mumukShuH- atyanta sundara. nishchay-vyavahArakI sandhipUrvaka.

samAdhAnaH- .. mujhe guru to sAthame.n chAhiye. mai.n tattvame.n Age vichAr karatA hU.N, mujhe guru to sAthame.n chAhiye, guruke binA mujhe nahI.n chalegA. vah to ek prakArakI bhAvanA hai. guru kar dete hai.n, aisA artha nahI.n hai, parantu guru mere sAth hI chAhiye. mujhe guruke binA nahI.n chalegA. mai.n bhale hI puruShArtha merese karu.N, parantu guru to mujhe sAthame.n hI chAhiye.

... use mai.n sAthame.n rakhatA hU.N. akelA karatA hU.N to akelA hI karu.N, aisA nahI.n. mujhe sAthame.n hI chAhiye. mujhe AtmA bhI chAhiye aur mujhe dev-guru-shAstra chAhiye, mujhe sab sAthame.n chAhiye. sab padhAro! aisA.

mumukShuH- vichAr karatA hai aur astitva grahaN nahI.n karatA hai, to kyA bAkI rah jAtA hai? grahaN nahI.n karatA hai matalab kahI.n rukatA hai isaliye astitva grahaN nahI.n ho rahA hai?

samAdhAnaH- kahI.n rukatA hai, usakI pariNati rukatI hai. bAharame.n rukatI hai. puruShArthakI mandatAse kachAs (rahatI hai). utanI andar svaya.nkI ruchi, sva-orakI ruchikI mandatA

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to sAthame.n hai hI. puruShArthakI mandatA, ruchikI mandatA. anAdikA jo pravAh hai na, us pravAhame.n aise hI bah jAtA hai. us pravAhako moDanA use mushkil paDatA hai. ruchi ho, bhAvanA ho, amuk prakArase usake vichAr Aye, ma.nthan ho, nirNay kare, parantu usakI dishA jo kAryame.n lenI chAhiye, us kAryame.n leneme.n use der lagatI hai.

anAdikA jo pravAh hai, aise hI chalatA hai. bhAvanA hotI rahe, lekin usakA palaTanA, use kAryame.n lAnA usame.n puruShArthakA bal chAhiye, aur pUrI dR^iShTi badalanI paDe. vichArame.n vah sab nirNay karatA hai, parantu usakA palaTanA, anAdikA jo pravAh hai usame.nse use puruShArtha aur utanI tIvratA, andar lagan chAhiye to hotA hai.

mumukShuH- Apane kahA ki grahaN nahI.n karatA hai, usame.n bahut vajan nahI.n thA. grahaN nahI.n karatA hai. astitvako grahaN nahI.n karatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- astitvako grahaN nahI.n karatA hai. usake mUlako grahaN nahI.n karatA hai. vichArame.n letA hai, parantu a.ntarame.n grahaN nahI.n karatA hai.

mumukShuH- jitanI yathArtha mahimA aur usakI adhikatA bhAsit honI chAhiye utanA AtA nahI.n, isaliye grahaN nahI.n ho rahA hai aur kahI.n na kahI.n aTak jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- aTak jAtA hai. utanI mahimA, utanI lagan, utanA puruShArtha nahI.n karatA hai.

mumukShuH- bAt to.. grahaN nahI.n karatA hai. nahI.n karatA hai, usake kAraName.n ruchikI mandatA mukhya kAraN hai. adhikatA jo bhAsit honI chAhiye, sabase mai.n adhik hU.N aur usakI jo mahimA AnI chAhiye, vah nahI.n AtI.

samAdhanaH- mai.n adhik hU.N aur ye sab sArabhUt nahI.n hai. yahI sArabhUt hai, utanI a.ntarame.nse ruchi laganI chAhiye to hotA hai.

mumukShuH- bAra.nbAr usakI sanmukhatAkA bal baDhe...

samAdhAnaH- bAra.nbAr usakA abhyAs kare, ruchi baDhAnekA, puruShArtha baDhAnekA prayatna kare. astitva grahaN karanekA, to ho sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- Apake ek bolame.n AtA hai ki itanA nispR^ih ho jAtA hai ki bhedako bhI.. ApakA ek bol AtA hai na ki bhedako bhI lakShyame.n letA nahI.n athavA bhedame.n rukatA nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- bhedame.n rukatA nahI.n, kuCh nahI.n chAhiye, bas! ek (astitva chAhiye). utanA nispR^ih ho jA. kuCh nahI.n chAhiye. AtmAkA (astitva) chAhiye.

mumukShuH- mUl bAt hai.

samAdhAnaH- mUl vah hai. koI spR^ihA nahI.n hai, ek AtmAke alAvA. ek AtmA

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hI mujhe chAhiye. paryAyabhed yA kahI.n nahI.n rukakar mujhe merA ek astitva chAhiye.

mumukShuH- nispR^ihatAkI a.ntim parAkAShTA hai ki bhedame.n bhI nahI.n rukatA.

samAdhAnaH- bhedame.n rukatA nahI.n ki ye j~nAn hai, darshan hai, Ananda guN hai yA dUsarA guN hai, aise kahI.n bhI nahI.n rukakar ek astitvako grahaN (karatA hai), dR^iShTi to vahI.n sthApit kar detA hai.

mumukShuH- paryAyame.n to na ruke lekin guNabhedame.n bhI nahI.n rukatA. vichAr A jAy, lekin rukatA nahI.n. utanI nispR^ihatA (A jAtI hai).

samAdhAnaH- rukatA nahI.n, vichAr Aye to bhI dR^iShTi to ek astitva par hI rakhanI hai. AtmAme.n vichAr kare lekin us or rukatA nahI.n. ek apanA astitva grahaN kar letA hai. itanA nispR^ih ho jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- kitanA.. vichArame.n le ki AtmAme.n j~nAnaguN hai, j~nAname.n aisI shakti hai, aisA sAmarthya hai. phir bhI vahA.N rukatA nahI.n. utanI nispR^ihatA..

samAdhAnaH- khaDe-khaDe vichAr karatA rahe to andar jA (nahI.n sakatA). andar ugratA ho to andar jA sake. khaDe-khaDe vichAr karanA ki j~nAyakakA dvAr ChoDanA nahI.n. der lage to bhI. bhagavAnake dvArA par khaDe-khaDe... to bhagavAnake dvAr khul jAya. vaise j~nAyakake dvAr par khaDe-khaDe bhale vichArako vahI.n TikAye rakhe to yadi andar svaya.nko lagI hai to use j~nAyak grahaN honekA avakAsh hai. avakAsh hai. use utanI mahimA hai. vahA.N khaDA hai. bhale bhAvanArUp khaDA hai.

mumukShuH- vikalpAtmakame.n to bhAvabhAsan hai ki j~nAyak kaisA mAtra jAnanevAlA..

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, to grahaN honekA avakAsh hai. .. mahimA lage, j~nAyakadev jisane pragaT kiyA, dev-guru-shAstra jinho.nne sAdhanA karake pragaT kiyA, unakI anumodanA, unakI ArAdhanA to sAthame.n hotI hI hai, unakA sAth to sAthame.n hotA hI hai. unake binA kaise chale? mai.n Age to baDhU.N, lekin Apako sAth rakhatA hU.N.

mumukShuH- dono.n ekasAth hote hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- sAthame.n hai.n. use aisA nahI.n hotA ki mai.n mujhase karatA hU.N. aisI bhAvanA nahI.n hotI. sabako mai.n sAthame.n rakhatA hU.N. sabakA Adar hai. svaya.nkA Adar huA, use dev-guru-shAstrakA Adar hai. dev-guru-shAstrakA Adar hai, use svaya.nkA Adar hai. vAstavik Adar hI use kahaneme.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- .. usame.n svachChanda honekA, abhimAn chaDhanekA..

samAdhAnaH- mai.n mujhase karatA hU.N, aisA nahI.n hotA. mujhase bhale hotA hai, parantu mai.n dev-guru-shAstrako sAthame.n.n rakhatA hU.N. ...

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mumukShuH- Apako aisA lage ki dev-guru-shAstrake binA nahI.n chalegA, hame.n aisA hotA hai ki Apake binA nahI.n chalegA.

samAdhAnaH- gurudev mile sabako, mahAn upakAr kiyA hai. sandhi batAyI hai. unho.nne nishchay-vyavahArakI sandhi bahut batAyI hai. shAstro.nke rahasya sab unho.nne sUlajhAye hai.n. koI jAnatA nahI.n thA, shAstro.nkI kisIkI chau.nch DUbatI nahI.n thI. sab rahasya unho.nne khalle kiye hai.n.

mumukShuH- mAmA kitanI bAr kahate the, bahin kahate hai.n ki AtmA shabda bolate ho to gurudevake pratApase. kitanI bAr, mAmA ye shabda (bole the). bahin aisA kahate hai.n, bahin aisA kahate hai.n. .. ye shAstrakA anuvAd kiyA vah gurudevake kAraNa.

samAdhAnaH- unake kAraN artha sUjhe, nahI.n to artha kahA.N-se sUjhe? unako gurudevane mArga batAyA, isaliye ve sa.nskR^itame.nse artha milA sakate hai.n.

mumukShuH- mAmA kitanI bAr bolate the, hA.N! paNDit to bahut hai.n, lekin ye to gurudevake kAraN hI bhAShA.ntar huA hai.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevane dR^iShTi batAyI, to usake artha sUjhe.

mumukShuH- sva-parakA bhedaj~nAn ho ki mai.n j~nAyak bhinna hU.N. use A.nshik svarUp ramaNatA ho gayI. vah virati ho, parantu bAdame.n use jo bhUmikA badal jAtI hai, chauthA guNasthAn, bAdame.n pA.NchavA, ChaThavA.n-sAtavA.n (AtA hai), us j~nAnakA phal virati hai. andar j~nAyakatA, bhedaj~nAn ho vah vAstavik virati hai. vah vAstavik virati hai. vA.nchan, vichAr vah to ek...

mumukShuH- parantu usake pahale tAratamyatAme.n koI bhed nahI.n paDate? shrImadajIne likhA ki jo paDhanese, vichAr karanese AtmA vibhAvase, vibhAvabhAvase pIChe nahI.n muDA, to vah paDhanA, vichAranA mithyA hai.

samAdhAnaH- paDhanA, vichAranA usame.n virati nahI.n AtI. vah nahI.n hai. vAstavik virati to andar bhedaj~nAn ho tab (hotI hai). sachchI virati to usakA nAm hai. jo pahale manda kaShAy hotA hai vah sachchI virati nahI.n hai. vah to manda kaShAyarUp hai. sachchI virati usakA nAm ki sarva vibhAvabhAvase bhedaj~nAn hokar aur a.ntarame.n jitane j~nAyakatAke pariNAm, j~nAtR^itvakI tIkhAs ho, a.ntarame.n jo nivR^itta pariNAm Ave usakA nAm virati hai. a.ntar svarUpame.n sthiratA ho, svarUpame.n lInatA ho, usakA nAm virati hai. use a.nsh-a.nshame.n jo gR^ihasthAshramake bhAv hai.n, use a.ntarame.nse ekatvabuddhi ChUTatI jAy, usakA ras TUTatA jAy, usakA nAm virati hai. a.ntarame.nse akaShAyabhAv TUTakar jo a.ntarame.n lInatA hotI hai, svarUpakA Ananda baDhatA jAy, svarUpakI lInatA baDhatI jAy, usakA

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nAm virati hai.

.. vah to avashya hotI hI hai. jise samyagdarshan hotA hai, use virati avashya hotI hI hai. use svarUpakI lInatA kram-kramase baDhatI jAtI hai. phir usame.n kram paDe, kisIko der lage, kisIko turanta hotI hai. parantu use virati to avashya AtI hI hai. j~nAnakA phal virati to AtI hI hai. aur A.nshik svarUp ramaNatA to jo j~nAyakatAko pahachAnI, j~nAtAdhArA huyI use svarUp ramaNatA to chAlU hI ho gayI. anantAnuba.ndhI kaShAy TUT gayA isaliye utanI virati to us prakArase A gayI. parantu jo virati chAritradashAkI hotI hai, us chAritradashAkI virati Aneme.n der lage, parantu avashya AtI hai. vAstavik virati vah hai. manda kaShAy ho vah virati nahI.n hai, vah to manda kaShAy hai. vA.nchan kare, vichAr kare usame.n manda kaShAy hotA hai ki ye vibhAvabhAv achChA nahI.n hai, aisI bhAvanA ho, ruchi ho, parantu vah bhI abhI vAstavik nahI.n hai, vah to bhAvanA karatA hai. manda kaShAy hai.