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mumukShuH- ek samayakI j~nAnakI paryAyako koI bAr shAstrame.n j~ney kahaneme.n AtI hai, koI bAr paryAy hai isaliye hey hai, aisA bhI varNan AtA hai. koI bAr pragaT karanekI apekShAse upAdey kahaneme.n AtI hai. ek paryAy sambandhi bahut prakAr shAstrame.n Ate hai.n. to usame.n bhedavij~nAnakI jyoti pragaT karaneke liye kaun-sI bAt mukhya karanI? hey hai, aise mukhya karanA? j~ney hai, aise mukhya karanA? athavA upAdey hai, aise mukhya karanA?

samAdhAnaH- dR^iShTikI apekShAse use hey kahaneme.n AtA hai. kyo.nki jo chaitanya svabhAv anAdiananta akhaNDa j~nAn paripUrNa svabhAv bharA hai. usake darshanaguN, chAritra Adi ananta guN jo hai.n, sahaj darshan, sahaj j~nAn, sahaj chAritra, sahaj Ananda svabhAvase bharA hai. paripUrNa hai. vah paripUrNa hai aur akhaNDa par dR^iShTi karaneme.n adhUrI jo paryAye.n hai.n, vah adhUrI paryAy AtmAkA mUl svarUp nahI.n hai. isaliye use us dR^iShTise hey kahaneme.n AtA hai. paripUrNa svabhAvakI apekShAse, dR^iShTikI apekShAse use hey kahaneme.n AtA hai.

use jAnane yogya kahaneme.n AtA hai. parantu jo adhUrI paryAy, sAdhanAkI paryAy jo hai, vah bIchame.n Aye binA nahI.n rahatI. isaliye vah j~nAname.n jAnane yogya hai.

aur vah Adarane yogya hai. kyo.nki adhUrI paryAy (hai). darshan aur j~nAn dono.n pragaT ho to chAritra kahI.n paripUrNa sAthame.n ho nahI.n jAtA. isaliye use sAdhanA karanI bAkI rahatI hai, svarUpame.n lInatA bAkI rahatI hai. isaliye vah paryAy use AdaraNIy bhI hotI hai. j~nAname.n use AdaraNIy kahate hai.n. dR^iShTikI apekShAse use hey kahaneme.n AtA hai.

vah jaise hai vaise nishchay-vyavahArakI sandhi samajhe to usakI sAdhanA Age baDhatI hai. dR^iShTime.n ek j~nAyakako mukhya rakhe. paripUrNa j~nAn.. usame.n pUrNa-apUrNa paryAyo.nko gauN karaneme.n AtI hai ki pUrNa-apUrNa paryAy jitanA bhI mai.n nahI.n hU.N. mai.n to akhaNDa j~nAyak hU.N. kevalaj~nAnakI paryAy pragaT ho to bhI vah paryAy hai. mai.n to ek dravya hU.N. parantu sAdhanAme.n bIchame.n samyagdarshanase lekar jo nirmal paryAy pragaT hotI hai, vah sab sAdhanAme.n AtI hai. isaliye us apekShAse use upAdey (kahaneme.n AtA hai). kevalaj~nAnakI paryAy bhI use sAdhanA karanese pragaT hotI hai. isaliye usakI apekShAse upAdey hai, parantu dR^iShkiI

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apekShAse use hey kahaneme.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- pragaT karanekI apekShAse upAdey kahA?

samAdhAnaH- pragaT karanekI apekShAse upAdey hai. use puruShArtha karanA rahatA hai. dR^iShTi aur j~nAn pragaT hue. lInatA abhI kam hai. svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT huyI, parantu svAnubhUti kShaN-kShaName.n usakI vR^iddhi ho aur svAnubhUtirUp hI svaya.n ho jAy, jaisA AtmA hai vaisA shAshvat svAnubhUtirUp ho jAy, aisI dashA pragaT nahI.n hoshratI hai, isaliye us apekShAse AdaraNIy hai.

muni ChaThave.n-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n jhulate hai.n. a.ntarmuhUrta-a.ntarmuhUrtame.n andar jAy aur bAhar Ate hai.n. to bhI unhe.n adhUrI paryAy hai. isaliye unakI sAdhanAkI paryAy bAra.nbAr chalatI hI rahatI hai. mai.n pramatta yA apramatta nahI.n hU.N, aisI dR^iShTi honeke bAvajUd ve sAdhanAkI paryAyame.n jhulate hai.n. aisA karate-karate shreNI chaDhate hai.n.

mai.n j~nAyak so j~nAyak hU.N. to bhI sAdhanAkI paryAye.n bIchame.n hotI hai. a.ntarmuhUrta- a.ntarmuhUrtame.n apramatta dashAme.n, punaH pramatta dashAme.n Ate-Ate shreNI lagAkar kevalaj~nAn pragaT hotA hai. sAdhanAme.n vah Aye binA nahI.n rahatA. pariNatikI Dor svabhAvakI or, j~nAn j~nAnako khI.nchatA huA, svAnubhUtikI or (jAtA hai). bhedaj~nAnakI dhArAko ugra kare, dR^iShTikA jor vR^iddhigat karatA jAtA hai aur svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT karatA jAtA hai. sAdhanAme.n.n vah hotA hai. dR^iShTi sabako hey mAnatI hai, dR^iShTi sabako gauN karatI hai.

mumukShuH- usame.n j~nAn j~nAnako khI.nchatA huA, mAne kyA?

samAdhAnaH- j~nAn arthAt puruShArthakI Dor... j~nAyakakI or jo pariNati gayI hai, vah pariNati svaya.nko apanI or khI.nchatI hai. j~nAn j~nAnako khI.nchatA huA, j~nAyakakI or jo j~nAn gayA, j~nAyakakI or jo j~nAn pariNamA vah j~nAn svaya.n apanI or apanI pariNatiko khI.nchatA hai. jo vibhAvakI or pariNati jAtI hai, use svabhAvakI khI.nchatA huA svaya.n sAdhanAko vR^iddhigat karatA jAtA hai, bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA ugra karatA jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- atya.nt sundar spaShTIkaraN hai. aisA mel karanA bhI bahut mushkil paDatA hai. kabhI is or khI.nch jAtA hai, kabhI paryAy-or khI.nch jAtA hai. dravyakI or ekAnta khI.nch jAtA hai to paryAy (ChUT jAtI hai).

samAdhAnaH- sab ChoD denA hai, ek hI dravya hai, aisA ho jAya. athavA to paryAy par chalA jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- yah spaShTIkaraN to atya.nt sundar hai aur Atmadharmame.n mumukShuo.nko bahut mArgadarshan mile aisA sundar hai.

samAdhAnaH- dR^iShTi pragaT ho gayI, phir kuCh karanA hI nahI.n rahatA, aisA nahI.n

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hai. dR^iShTi honeke bAd samyagdarshan eva.n j~nAn pragaT huA, parantu abhI lInatA pragaT karanI bAkI rahatI hai. bhedaj~nAnakI dhArAko ugra karake dR^iShTikA bal vR^iddhigat karatA jAtA hai. apanI pariNatiko apanI or ekadam jhukAtA jAtA hai. vibhAvakI or jA rahI pariNatiko svabhAvakI or khI.nchatA jAtA hai. vah hey mAnatA hai, phir bhI puruShArthakI Dor chAlU hai. mai.n to akhaNDa hU.N to bhI vibhAvakI paryAy jo ho rahI hai aur svabhAvaparyAy kam hai, use jAnatA hai aur puruShArthakI Dorako apanI or khI.nchatA jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- sAdhakakI aisI vichakShaNatA bhI asAdhAraN sUkShma hai.

samAdhAnaH- dono.n aise hI hai.n. kal kahA, jij~nAsuko usame.n vyavahArAk pakSha nahI.n A jAtA? aise nahI.n A jAtA. svaya.nne nakkI kiyA ho ki bas, isase dharma nahI.n hai. aisA nishchay kiyA ho to us kAryame.n juDe to usame.n vyavahArakA pakSha A nahI.n jAtA. koI prayojanake kAraN aise vyavahArake kAyAme.n juDanekA prasa.ng bane. koI bhaktime.n svaya.nko ullAs Ave aur juDanA ho, isaliye usame.n koI vyavahArakA pakSha nahI.n A jAtA. jise bhedaj~nAn pragaT huA, unhe.n aise prasa.ng bane. koI AchArya dhaval shAstra likhate hai.n aur koI adhyAtmake likhate hai.n, to usame.n unhe.n koI pakSha ho jAtA hai? koI muni bhaktike shAstra likhe, padmana.ndi AchArya, isaliye usame.n vyavahArakA pakSha nahI.n ho jAtA. bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA chalatI hai.

vaise, jij~nAsune nakkI kiyA hai ki ye sab vibhAvase bhinna mai.n chaitanyadravya hU.N. bhale hI buddhise nakkI kiyA hai to bhI kisIko svaya.n aisI pariNati ho aur bhaktike bhAv Aye, usame.n juDe aur koI aise prayojaname.n paDe aur usame.n juDe to usame.n bhakti karanese vyavahArakA pakSha nahI.n ho jAtA.

mumukShuH- bahut sundar spaShTIkaraNa. jij~nAsukI nakkI karaneme.n kachAs hai, vah to apanA kAraN hai. aise pariNAm Ate hai.n aur usake pakShame.n khI.nch jAtA hai, aisA nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- bhaktike kAyAme.n bhaktike bhAv Aye to usame.n vah juDe to vah koI pakSha nahI.n hai. usame.n yadi nakkI kare ki isame.n sarvasva hai aur isIme.n-se mujhe lAbh hogA, aisA mAne to use pakSha hai. parantu merA svabhAv to sab shubhabhAvase merA svabhAv to bhinna hai. parantu use shubhabhAvakI bhaktikI pariNati aisI koI Aye aur kuCh prayojan paDe to usame.n juDe, isaliye use pakSha nahI.n ho jAtA.

mumukShuH- kal Apako prashna pUChA usake bAd..

samAdhAnaH- bahut logo.nko aisA ho jAy ki ye vyavahArame.n jyAdA juDatA hai, isaliye ise vyavahArakA pakSha ho gayA hai. aisA nahI.n hai.

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mumukShuH- aise shAstra-bhAShAme.n ham log aisA kahe.n ki pragaT karanekI apekShAse upAdey hai. parantu Apane jo spaShTIkaraN jis prakArase kiyA vah sundar hai. bhAShAme.n to sab bol lete hai.n. pragaT karanekI apekShAse paryAy upAdey hai. parantu sAdhanAme.n sAdhakako aise pariNAm Ate hI hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- use sAthame.n hote hI hai.n. usakI dR^iShTi to j~nAyak par sthApit dR^iShTi j~nAyakase bhinna nahI.n paD jAtI hai. mai.n j~nAyak hU.N. us j~nAyakakA astitva jo usane grahaN kiyA, vibhAvase nyArA, pUrNa-apUrNa paryAy jitanA bhI mai.n nahI.n hU.N, guNake bhed bhI mereme.n nahI.n hai, vah jo dR^iShTi j~nAyak par sthApit huyI, vah dR^iShTi to haTatI nahI.n. parantu use j~nAname.n hai ki ye vibhAv khaDA hai. abhI paryAy adhUrI hai. svabhAvakA vedan A.nshik hai. svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT hokar, j~nAyakakI savikalpa dhArAme.n A.nshik shAntikA vedan hotA hai, parantu abhI pUrNa nahI.n hai, apUrNa hai. abhI ye vibhAvakI, vikalpakI jAl chalatI hai, use jAnatA hai. usame.n-se apanI pariNatiko svaya.n bhinna karatA huA, puruShArtha karatA huA, dR^iShTike sAth usakI puruShArthakI Dor sAth hI sAth rahatI hai.

vah vibhAvame.n ekatva hotA nahI.n. aur jitanI usakI ugratA ho, us anusAr karatA jAtA hai. aisA karate-karate hI usakI bhUmikA palaTatI hai. chauthI bhUmikAme.n ho, usame.nse pA.NchavI, ChaThavI.n, sAtavI.n bhUmikAme.n vah nij svabhAvakI Dorako khI.nchatA huA (Age baDhatA hai). aisI usakI virakti, j~nAnakI ugratA, j~nAtAkI-j~nAtAdhArAkI tIvratA aur viraktI baDhatI jAy, isaliye usake svabhAvakI ekadam nirmalatA hotI jAtI hai. svAnubhUtikI dashA baDhatI jAtI hai, vah sAthame.n hI rahatI hai. vah aisA vichAr nahI.n karatA hai ki pragaTakI apekShAse aisA hai. parantu usakI puruShArthakI Dor chAlU hI hai. dR^iShTi chAlU hai aur puruShArthakI Dor bhI sAthame.n chAlU hI hai.

mumukShuH- ... aisI koI visheShatA hogI ki ek hI viShayako chAro.n orase spaShTa karanekI aisI hI koI... bahut sundar spaShTIkaraN Apane Aj kiyA.

samAdhAnaH- jise sAdakadashA pragaT hotI hai, vah to apane mArga par chalA jAtA hai. koI bAhar kahe yA na kahe, parantu sAdhakakI dashAme.n usakI aisI hI dashA hotI hai. gurudevako to koI apUrva vANIkA yog thA to ekadam spaShTa kar-karake sabako nishchay aur vyavahAr, j~nAn, darshan Adi sabako spaShTa karake batA diyA hai.

mumukShuH- gurudevashrIke pratham darshan sa.npradAyame.n Apako kahA.N hue the?

samAdhAnaH- pahale vaDhavAName.n hI hue. nAraNabhAIne dIkShA lI thI, tab dIkShAkA prasa.ng thA. pahale vaDhavAName.n, bAdame.n vI.nChiyA, sab jagaha.

mumukShuH- vI.nChiyA Ap padhAre the?

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samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vI.nChiyA AyI thI. nAraNabhAIne dIkShA lI, usake bAd unho.nne samAdhi Adi kuCh kiyA thA.

mumukShuH- hA.N, sa.nthArA karanevAle the.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, taba.

mumukShuH- us vakta Ap padhAre the?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N. tab AyI thI. bAkI pahale nAraNabhAIkI dIkShA thI na? vaDhavAName.n dIkShA thI na, us vakta gurudevake darshan hue the. usake pahale himmatabhAI Adi sab bAt karate the.

mumukShuH- us samay pravachaname.n samyagdarshanakI bAt AtI thI?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, samyagdarshanakI bAt AtI thI. man, vachan, kAyAse us pAr virAjatA hai, svAnubhUti hotI hai. tab pa.ndrah sAlakI umra thI. us samaya. vaDhavAName.n gurudevake darshan hue us samaya.

mumukShuH- pahalI bAr?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, pahalI bAra. inakI vANI hI alag hai, ye alag kahate hai.n aur AtmAkA svarUp batA rahe hai.n. bAt to pahale himmatabhAI aur vajubhAIke pAsase sunI thI, parantu darshan nahI.n kiye the. ve to gurudevake pravachaname.n-se likhate the. pahale mai.n karA.NchI rahatI thI, isaliye darshan nahI.n hue the.

mumukShuH- pahale to vajubhAIne... gurudevakA pratham parichay Apako? himmatabhAIse pahale.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, unho.nne noT bUk likhI thI. pUrI noTabuk likhI thI, abhI bhI hai. pravachana.

mumukShuH- aisA, us vakta pravachaname.n-se! mumukShuH- mai.n to paDhatA thA. parIkShA dekar ve nivR^itta the. abhI naukarI nahI.n milI thI.

mumukShuH- Ap kahA.N paDhate the? mumukShuH- mai.n ahemadAbAdame.n. unakA injInayarI.ng pUrA kiyA, abhI naukarI nahI.n milI thI. pUrA chaumAsA unhe.n naukarI nahI.n thI, isaliye nivR^itta the.

samAdhAnaH- phir unho.nne kahA ki, yahA.N mahArAj Aye hai.n, kuCh alag bAt karate hai.n.

mumukShuH- ve likhate the. mahArAj Aye hai.n. ... kahate hai.n, samakit arthAt jain dharma sachchA hai aur sAmAyik, pratikramaN karate hai.n, isaliye pA.NchavA.n guNasthAn hai. ye

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mahArAj to kahate hai.n ki siddha bhagavAn jaisA Ananda AtA hai. nyAyase vichArane par sachchA lagatA hai.

mumukShuH- Apako gurudevakA parichay kab huA? mumukShuH- bas, phir ... kI ChUTTIyA.N hotI hai, divAlIkI ChUTTI hotI thI, tab jAte the. bhAIko usake pahale .. kAlame.n bhI parichay huA thA.

mumukShuH- mUlame.n pahale vahA.N-se shurUAt kI. bAdame.n Apako aur bahinako.

samAdhAnaH- bAdame.n mai.n AyI na. nAraNabhAIkI dIkShAkA prasa.ng thA, tab darshan hue. pa.ndrah varShakI umrame.n. bachapanase karA.NchIme.n baDI huyI na.

mumukShuH- karA.NchIme.n Ap chAr sAl rahe.

mumukShuH- baDeko baDA lAbh aur jaldI lAbh milA.

samAdhAnaH- phir gurudev bolate, unakA pravachan alag thA. isaliye turanta hI Ashcharya lagatA ki ye kuCh alag hI kahate hai.n. shvetA.nbar sa.npradAyame.n.n ek akShar bole, bAkI sab Uparase bolate ho.n. usame.n to artha Uparase karate ho.n.

mumukShuH- gurudev kahate the ki, pUrA pravachan ghar jAkar likh lete hai.n. akSharashaH. vah bhAvanagar?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N.

mumukShuH- vA.nkAner Ap bAdame.n gaye?

samAdhAnaH- vA.nkAner bAdame.n. phir to mai.n thoDA samay vaDhavAName.n rahI, usake bAd vA.nkAner gayI.

mumukShuH- bhAIko us vakta bhAvanagarame.n naukarI thI. sabase pahale ahemadAbAd, phir bhAvanagar, phir vA.nkAnera.

samAdhAnaH- bhAvanagarame.n naukarI thI na, isaliye mai.n vahA.N gayI thI.

mumukShuH- hA.N, bhAIko naukarI vahA.N thI, isaliye Ap vA.nkAner rahe. Ap vahA.N naukarI par lage to vahA.N Aye.

mumukShuH- bhAvanagar, lI.nbaDI, ... karavAte the. mumukShuH- hA.N, gurudev kahate the. bahinako dUrase dekhA tabase lagA ki ye shakti kuCh alag hai. gurudev khush hue. gurudevako khyAl A gayA.

samAdhAnaH- ... mere sAth charchA karate. isaliye mujhe aisA lagatA ki jahA.N janma liyA vah sachchA nahI.n hotA. phir vichAr karake nakkI aisA hI hotA thA ki gurudev jo kahate hai.n, vahI sachchA hai. Ap bhale kuCh bhI kaho, parantu yahI satya hai. mujhe aisA hI nakkI hotA thA ki, Ap yah satya, yah satya aisA kaho, lekin satya

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to yahI hai. vichAr karake... gurudev aisA apUrva rItase kahate the. yahI satya hai. nakkI vichArase hotA thA, parantu aisA lagatA thA ki yahI satya hai.

mumukShuH- Ap bahut tarkame.n nahI.n Utarate the.

samAdhAnaH- yahI bAt satya hai. shakkarakA svabhAv aur kAlI jirI, dono.n bhinna- bhinna hai.n. aise AtmAkA svabhAv bhinna hai aur vibhAv bhinna hai. barAbar aisA hI hai, aise hI bhedaj~nAn hotA hai. aise vichAr A jAte the. gurudev kahate ki AtmA bhinna, vikalpa bhinna, usase AtmA bhinna hai. do svabhAv hI bhinna hai.n, isaliye vah bhinna hai.

mumukShuH- sIdhA aisA AnekA kAraN, pUrvakA kAraN?

samAdhAnaH- vichAr to bahut Ate the. usame.nse aisA nakkI ho gayA. pUrvakA kAraN...

mumukShuH- samakit le legI, aur ye kahate ki kitanA dUr hai. hAth batAkara.

samAdhAnaH- bahut bhAvanA ho na, us parase mai.n kahatI thI ki itanA dUr hai. aise kuCh mAlUm nahI.n paDatA, parantu mere bhAvase (kahatI thI).

mumukShuH- dUsarI bAr vekeshaname.n AyA, kahA, samakit kahA.N phijUl paDA hai. cha.npA! ab samakit kitanA dUr hai? mujhe lagA, utanA hI kahegI. to AdhA kahA. itanA. tIsarI bAr to le liyA thA.

samAdhAnaH- andarase aisA lage na ki ye sharIr bhinna, AtmA bhinna. aisI-aisI bhAvanA andar AtI rahe, us parase aisA lage. lekin aise thoDe hI nakkI hotA hai. parantu merA bhAv hI aisA kahatA thA.

mumukShuH- bhAvanagar sachchI..

samAdhAnaH- andarase aisI hU.Nph A jAtI thI.

mumukShuH- andarakA jor batAtA hai ki itanA dUr hai.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevakA pratAp hai. unho.nne kahA to mArga milA, anyathA mArga kahA.N mile? gurudevakI kahanekI shailI aur aise bhAvase (kahate the). ve svaya.n hI koI apUrva tIrtha.nkarakA dravya, isaliye kuCh alag hI kahate the. unakA janma sabako tAraneke liye huA.