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mumukShuH- Aj charchA sunate samay maname.n ek vichAr A gayA ki jaise samayasArake sAth pravachanasArakA mel hai. to ... usakA sachchA j~nAn barAbar j~nAnapradhAn .... . aise gurudev aur Apako dono.nko sune to use jo chAhiye, jo kShati ho to vah Apake parichayase use spaShTa ho. dono.nkA sumel ho aisA lage. gurudevake pAs bahut sunA hai, phir bhI Apase jab dUsarA prakAr jAnaneko mile tab mAno.n sandhi hotI ho, aisA lage.

samAdhAnaH- ... dR^iShTi-j~nAnakI sandhi AtI thI. parantu pakaDanA (kaThin paDatA thA). AdamIkI jaisI dR^iShTi ho, vaisA pakaDe.

mumukShuH- dR^iShTikA viShay aur j~nAnakA viShay, dono.nke melame.n bahut sUkShmatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- usame.n bhUl ho aisA hai.

mumukShuH- Aj to bahut sundar (spaShTIkaraN AyA).

samAdhAnaH- dR^iShTAnta hai. logo.nko pUranapUrIkA hotA hai na, isaliye pUranapUrIkA dR^iShTAnta diyA. bAkI chaitanyakA apUrva Ananda alag aur pUranaporI to jaD hai. parantu logo.nko samajhAnA kaise? isaliye gurudevane dR^iShTAnta diyA.

mumukShuH- vah Ananda hame.n mAlUm paDe, us prakArase bhAShAme.n A sakatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- bhAShAme.n na Aye. vah to anupam hai. jagatakI koI vastukI use upamA nahI.n de sakate. vah to apUrva hai. chaitanya vastu alag, usake guN alag, usakA Ananda alaga. sab alag hai. vah to use samajhAneke liye anek prakArase upamA dI hai. gurudevane bhinna-bhinna prakArakI upamA dI. pUranapUrIkI de, ghIkI de, anek jAtakI de. ghIkA svAd kaisA? gurudev bahut bAr kahate the, usakA varNan karane jAy to kar na sake. vaise AtmAkA Ananda apUrva hai.

chAro.n orase logo.nko usakA svAd hotA hai, us dR^iShTise. bAkI chaitanya vastu alag hai aur yah jaD vastu alag hai. bAkI use koI jaDakI upamA lAgU nahI.n paDatI. devalokakI R^iddhikI upamA bhI use lAgU nahI.n paDatI. indrakA indrAsan aur devalokakI R^iddhi... "rajakaN ke R^iddhi vaimAnik devanI, sarve mAnyA pudagal ek svabhAv jo.' sab

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pudagalake svabhAv hai. vah svabhAv aur chaitanya svabhAv dono.n alag vastu hai. chaitanyakA Ananda apUrva hai. vah to anupam hai. use koI upamA lAgU nahI.n paDatI.

mumukShuH- chaitanya merA dev hai, use hI mai.n dekhatA hU.N. dUsarA kuCh mujhe dikhatA hI nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- chaitanyakI or dR^iShTi gayI, vah dR^iShTi vahA.N sthApit ho gayI. to dR^iShTi ab chaitanyako hI dekhatI hai, dUsarA vibhAv dikhatA nahI.n. dR^iShTike Age vibhAv gauN ho jAtA hai. use sab j~nAn hai ki abhI adhUrI avasthA hai, abhI pUrNa kevalaj~nAn huA nahI.n hai, abhI bAkI hai. vah sab j~nAname.n jAnatA hai. parantu dR^iShTi chaitanyakI or gayI, vah dR^iShTi vahA.N sthApit ho gayI to mai.n mere chaitanyadevako hI dekhatA hU.N, bAkI sab usake Age gauN ho jAtA hai.

mai.n akelA chaitanya ananta mahimAse, ananta svabhAvase bharA huA chaitanya, divya shaktise bharA aisA chaitanyadev, use hI mai.n dekhatA hU.N. a.ntarame.n jahA.N jAtA hU.N to chaitanyadave hI dikhatA hai. vibhAv mujhe dikhatA nahI.n. usakI dR^iShTikI apekShAse (kahA hai). merI najar vahI.n tha.Nbh gayI hai, bAhar kahI.n merI dR^iShTi jAtI nahI.n. j~nAnakA upayog jAtA hai, us bAtako gauN karake dR^iShTi chaitanyako hI dekhatI hai.

mumukShuH- dR^iShTi arthAt shraddhA, utanA hI nahI.n? najar bhI vahA.N tha.Nbh gayI hai?

samAdhAnaH- najar vahA.N tha.Nbh gayI hai. shraddhA mAtra buddhise kar lI, aise shraddhA nahI.n. chaitanyakA astitva pahachAnakar us par dR^iShTi tha.Nbh gayI hai, najar vahA.N tha.Nbh gayI hai.

mumukShuH- aisA AtA hai ki vibhAv pariNAm hote samay hI tereme.n nirmalatA bharI hai, parantu tU vibhAvame.n tanmay ho rahA hai. aj~nAnI vibhAvame.n tanmay ho rahA hai.

samAdhAnaH- us samay nirmalatA svabhAvame.n to hai, parantu aj~nAn avasthAme.n vah vibhAvame.n tanmay ho gayA hai. parantu vibhAvame.n tanmay ho gayA, isaliye usakI nirmalatAkA nAsh nahI.n ho gayA. usakI svabhAv-shaktime.n nirmalatA to bharI hai. jis kShaN vah tanmay ho rahA hai, usI kShaN nirmalatA usame.n shaktirUpase bharI hai. usakA nAsh nahI.n huA hai. us samay yadi tU terI dR^iShTi badal to tere svaya.nme.n tU nirmalatAkA piNDa hai aur shaktise bharA hai. usI vakta dR^iShTi badal to terA astitva maujUd hI hai. kahI.n khojane jAnA paDe aisA nahI.n hai, tU svaya.n hI hai. isaliye dR^iShTi badal to usI kShaN tereme.n nirmalatA bharI hai. dR^iShTi badalatA nahI.n hai, isaliye vibhAvame.n tanmay ho rahA hai, dR^iShTi bAhar hai isaliye.

mumukShuH- aj~nAnI ho use bhI astitvakA utanA hI khyAl A sakatA hai?

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samAdhAnaH- astitvakA khyAl A sake, phir usakI yathArtha pratIti aur pariNaman nahI.n hai. khyAl to Aye. jo palaTatA hai vah sab vibhAvame.n-se palaTatA hai na. pahale to koI svabhAvakA j~nAn hotA nahI.n. jo palaTatA hai, jo svabhAv-or jAtA hai, vah aj~nAn avasthA ho usame.n-se j~nAn hotA hai. isaliye astitvakA j~nAn ho sakatA hai. parantu usakI yathArtha pariNati aur bhedaj~nAn bAdame.n hote hai.n. parantu use astitvakA khyAl A sakatA hai ki mai.n yah chaitanya hU.N, yah vibhAv hai. aise khyAlame.n le sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAn parase j~nAyak par kaise jAnA? j~nAnaguN pragaT dikhatA hai, to j~nAyak par kaise jAnA?

samAdhAnaH- j~nAnaguN hai vah ek paryAyamAtra nahI.n hai. vartamAn jAne utanA j~nAn, aisA nahI.n. parantu j~nAn, ek j~nAyak astitva, j~nAnakA astitva grahaN karanA. j~nAn j~nAnarUp.. vartamAn jAne isaliye j~nAn, usane kuCh jAnA isaliye j~nAn hai, aisA nahI.n. parantu vah pUrA j~nAnakA astitva hai. dravyarUp j~nAnakA ek astitva hai. aise j~nAyakako grahaN karanA. bAharase jAnA, j~neyako jAnA isaliye j~nAn, par-or usakI dR^iShTi gayI aur jo jAnaneme.n AyA vah j~nAn, aisA nahI.n. parantu j~nAyak svaya.n, j~nAn svaya.n astitva svataHsiddha hai. aise j~nAyakako grahaN karanA.

jitanA j~nAnamAtra vah mai.n. kuCh jAnA isaliye j~nAn, aisA nahI.n. svaya.n jAnanevAlA jo j~nAyak svabhAv hai vahI mai.n hU.N. aise j~nAyak-or, akhaNDa astitvakI or dR^iShTi denI ki yah jo jAnanevAlA hai vah mai.n hU.N. ise jAnA, ise jAnA isaliye j~nAn, aisA nahI.n. parantu j~nAyakakA astitva jAnanasvarUp hai, vah maiai.n hU.N.

mumukShuH- j~neyo.nkA jAnanarUp j~nAn utanA hI j~nAn nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- utanA hI j~nAn nahI.n, parantu svaya.n j~nAn hai. j~nAyakatA anantatAse bharI j~nAyakatA hai, ananta agAdhatAse bharI j~nAyakatA vah mai.n j~nAyak hU.N. koI kArya kare, prakAsh ho to prakAshakA kArya kare, aisA nahI.n. prakAshakA pu.nj hai vahI prakAsh hai. barphakA pu.nj hai vahI barpha hai. parantu ThaNDekA kArya isaliye barpha hai, aisA nahI.n. parantu vah vastu svaya.n hI ThaNDasvarUp hai. vastu svaya.n hI prakAshakA pu.nj hai. aise chaitanya svaya.n hI j~nAyak jAnanasvabhAvase bharI vastu hai. aise j~nAyakako grahaN karanA. vah kArya karatA hai isaliye j~nAn, aisA nahI.n. parantu svaya.n j~nAnarUp hI hai.

mumukShuH- paryAy parase dravya par jAnA..

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, pUrA j~nAyak svaya.n hai.

mumukShuH- us jIvako astitvakA khyAl Aye, usakA artha j~nAyakakA khyAl Aye?

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samAdhAnaH- j~nAyakakA, akhaNDa j~nAyak anantatAse bharA j~nAyakakA astitva khyAlame.n Aye.

mumukShuH- mArgakI yukti sUjh jAy to mArga mil jAya. usame.n yuktime.n kyA kahanA hai?

samAdhAnaH- svaya.nko j~nAyak kaise grahaN karanA vah yukti hai. yah j~nAn hai aur yah rAg hai, aisI bhedaj~nAnakI yukti sUjh jAya. ye rAg vibhAv hai, jo shubhAshubh bhAv hai, vah mai.n nahI.n hU.N. parantu mai.n j~nAyak hU.N. aise svaya.nko j~nAn dvArA-praj~nAChainI dvArA bhinna kare, nij j~nAnalakShaNako grahaN kar le, vah yukti hai. isame.n j~nAnalakShaN kaun-sA aur vibhAvakA lakShaN kaun-sA, un dono.nke lakShaNako pahachAnakar, mai.n yah j~nAyak hU.N aur yah vibhAv hai, aise bhinnatA kare. yukti sUjh jAy arthAt svaya.n apanA lakShaN pahachAn le, a.ntarame.n gaharAIme.n jAkara.

mumukShuH- Ap bolate ho to tab aisA lagatA hai, mAno.n ekadam saral hai. aisA lagatA hai. to itanA kaThin kyo.n ho gayA hogA?

samAdhAnaH- anAdikA abhyAs hai. usame.n vibhAvame.n aisA tanmay ho gayA hai ki use j~nAnako bhinna karanA mushkil paDatA hai ki mai.n yah j~nAyak hU.N aur yah vibhAv hai. is prakAr use bhinna karaneme.n (kaThin paDatA hai). svaya.n anAdike abhyAsase itanA tanmay ho gayA hai, isaliye a.ntarame.n jAneme.n aur sUkShma honeme.n use mushkil paDatA hai, isaliye use kaThin lagatA hai. bAkI vastu to dono.n bhinna hI hai.n.

j~nAyak vah j~nAyak hai aur vibhAvakI paryAye.n vah svaya.nkA mUl svabhAv nahI.n hai. vastu to vastu hI hai. isaliye vah to sahaj hai. apanA svabhAv hai isaliye sahaj aur sugam hai, parantu anAdike abhyAsake kAraN use durlabh ho gayA hai. dR^iShTi bAhar dauDatI rahatI hai. isaliye a.ntarame.n use sthir karanI, svaya.nko grahaN karanA use mushkil ho gayA hai.

nij nayananI ALase,.. gurudev kahate the na? nirakhyA nahi harine jarI. nij netrakI Alasake kAraN svaya.n dekhatA nahI.n hai. usame.n anAdi kAl vyatIt kiyAA. bAharase kahI.nse prApta hogA, isame.n-se prApta hogA, kriyAme.n-se prApta hogA, kuCh bAharakA karake prApta hogA, aisA mAn-mAnakar kAl vyatIt kiyA. parantu a.ntar dR^iShTi karake nij svabhAvako pahachAnA nahI.n.

gurudevane baDe dhodh bahAye hai.n. sabako saral aur sugam kar diyA. AtmAkI utanI mahimA batAyI, AtmA koI apUrva, usakA bhedaj~nAn kaise ho? unakI vANIme.n utanA joradAr AtA thA. parantu karanekA svaya.nko bAkI rah jAtA hai. kahI.n kisIkI bhUl na rahe, itanA joradAr kahate the aur utanA saral aur sugam karake kahate the.

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mumukShuH- gurudevane to bahut batAyA, lekin bhUlame.n-se Apane hame.n bAhar nikAlA. Apake pratApase ham... nahI.n to ham bahut baDI bhUlame.n paDe the.

mumukShuH- koI bAr to a.ntarame.n Dherake Dher lag jAy aur kabhI sahaj jaisA ho vaisA rahatA hai. in dono.nme.n a.ntar kyA hai?

samAdhAnaH- koI bAr puruShArthakI gati aisI jAtakI ho to a.ntarame.n-se Dherake Dher lag jAya. koI bAr sahaj dashA ho aisA Aye. abhI jabatak vItarAg dashA nahI.n huyI hai, kShAyik vItarAgaparyAy nahI.n huyI hai to puruShArthakI gati abhI kShayopasham bhAvarUp hai na? isaliye kabhI Dher lag jAy, kabhI madhyam dikhe, kabhI aisA dikhe, is arthame.n hai.

mumukShuH- koI bAr Ananda adhik Aye, kabhI kam Aye, aisA?

samAdhAnaH- Ananda adhik Aye aisA nahI.n. usakI dashA baDhatI jAya. usakI savikalpatAme.n bhI dashA baDhatI jAy aur nirvikalpatAme.n bhI dashA baDhatI jAya. muni ChaThave.n- sAtave.n guNasthAname.n jhulate ho, to kShayopasham chAritra hai. a.ntarmuhUrta-a.ntarmuhUrtame.n svarUpame.n lIn hote hai.n. to unakI chAritrakI dashA to ChaThave.n-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n jhule aisI hai. to bhI unhe.n koI visheSh gADhapanA (hotA hai). savikalpatAme.n visheShatA dikhe, nirvikalpatAme.n visheShatA dikhe, aise anek prakArakA dikhe. koI j~nAnakI nirmalatA dikhe, darshanakI avagADhatA, koI chAritrame.n visheShatA dikhe. darshan to ek prakArakA hotA hai, parantu avagADhatA (baDhatI hai). j~nAn, chAritra Adi anek prakAr dikhe.

mumukShuH- ... "mai.n hU.N' aisA svaya.nko svaya.nse astitvakA jor Aye. usame.n "mai.n hU.N' aise do akShar hI hai.n. mai.n kaisA hU.N? kitanA hU.N? aisA kuCh nahI.n. mai.n hU.N.

samAdhAnaH- apanA astitva grahaN karaneme.n kahI.n bhed nahI.n paDatA. svaya.n apanA astitva (grahaN karatA hai). dR^iShTi kahI.n bhed nahI.n karatI. apanA astitva "mai.n hU.N', apanA astitva use j~nAyakarUp-se grahaN hotA hai. usame.n yah j~nAnaguN hai aur yah dravya hai, guN aur guNI aisA koI bhed nahI.n paDatA. svaya.n apanA astitva, chetanakA astitva chaitanyarUp-se grahaN hotA hai. dR^iShTime.n koI bhed nahI.n hotA. isaliye mai.n hU.N, aise svaya.nkA astitva svaya.nko a.ntarame.n-se grahaN honA chAhiye. dR^iShTike viShayame.n usakA pUrA astitva use grahaN honA chAhiye. aise arthame.n hai.

phir j~nAname.n bhed paDate hai.n. j~nAn dR^iShTiko grahaN kare, j~nAn dR^iShTikA viShay jAne aur j~nAn bhedako bhI jAne. sab j~nAname.n AtA hai. dR^iShTi to apanA astitva-sAmAnya astitva grahaN karatI hai. usame.n guN-guNIkA bhed bhI nahI.n hotA. svaya.nkA astitva svataHsiddha hai use grahaN karatI hai. mai.n hU.N, aise. mai.n yah hU.N.

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mumukShuH- sIdhA abheda.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, abhed mai.n chaitanya hU.N. sabase bhinna mai.n chaitanya hU.N. usakA vistAr karaneme.n... mai.n chaitanya hU.N, jo vibhAvabhAv Adi hai.n, vah merA svabhAv nahI.n hai, mai.n chaitanya hU.N. use svaya.nko mai.n chaitanya hU.N, is prakAr apanA astitva grahaN hotA hai. mai.n anya kuCh nahI.n hU.N, mai.n ek chaitanya hU.N. mereme.n j~nAn hai, mereme.n Ananda hai, vah sab bhed j~nAname.n Ate hai.n. (dR^iShTi) usakA astitva grahaN karatI hai. mai.n hU.N so hU.N, mai.n chaitanya astitva hU.N.

mumukShuH- .. bhAvame.n sIdhA abhed AtA hai. ApakI to vANIme.n bhI abhed AtA hai. Aj to bahut sundar (AyA).

samAdhAnaH- sachchA to dR^iShTime.n abhed Aye. vANI bole usame.n bhed paDatA hai. parantu dR^iShTi kyA kArya karatI hai? vah kah sakate hai.n. dR^iShTikA kArya aisA hai ki abhed grahaN karatI hai. svaya.n svaya.n grahaN ho gayA, svaya.n svaya.nse, apanA chaitanya astitva-mai.n yah hU.N. aisA use bal A gayA ki mai.n chaitanya hI hU.N. chaitanya so chaitanya hI hU.N. kisIko pUChane nahI.n jAnA paDatA. mai.n chaitanya hU.N, is prakAr a.ntarame.n-se grahaN ho gayA.

jo mArga gurudevane batAyA, vahI mai.n chaitanya hU.N. jo dev-guru-shAstra batAte hai.n, vah mai.n chaitanya hU.N. usakI pariNati a.ntarame.n-se astitva grahaN kar letI hai. a.ntarame.n-se grahaN kare vah alag hotA hai.

mumukShuH- .. phir a.ntarame.n-se grahaN kare to kitanI hU.Nphalage.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, usakI hU.Nph to (alag hI hai). chAro.n or vyartha prayatna karatA thA, use a.ntarame.n-se chaitanya grahaN ho jAy, to use hU.Nph hI Aye na.