Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (itrans transliteration). Track: 247.

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mumukShuH- paramapAriNAmikabhAvame.n pAriNAmik shabda to pariNAm sUchak lagatA hai. to dhruv niShkriy svabhAvarUp jAnapanA jo hai, usame.n pariNAm mAne kyA? jAnapanAme.n pariNAm kyA?

samAdhAnaH- anAdiananta hai. pAriNAmikabhAv ... svaya.n svabhAvarUp pariNamatA hai. usame.n jo vibhAvakI kriyA, nimittakI kriyAo.nkA pariNaman nahI.n hai. parantu svaya.n niShkriy (hai), pariNAmako sUchit karatA hai. niShkriy apane svabhAvako sadR^ishya pariNAm-se jo TikAye rakhatA hai. pariNAm hai, parantu vah pariNAm aisA pariNAm nahI.n hai ki jo pariNAm dUsareke AdhAr-se yA dUsare-se pariName aisA pariNAm nahI.n hai, niShkriy pariNAm hai. vah pariNAm shabda hai, parantu mUl svabhAv-se use koI apekShA-se niShkriy kahaneme.n AtA hai. niShkriy pariNAm kahaneme.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- kUTastha shabda isame.n isake sAth kaise biThAnA?

samAdhAnaH- koI apekShA-se use kUTastha kahaneme.n AtA hai. pAriNAmI svabhAv hai vah kAryako sUchit karatA hai. isaliye .. TikAye rakhatA hai. isaliye vah dhruv hai. aur dhruv hone par bhI jo utpAd-vyayarUp pariNamatA hai. aise utpAd-vyay aur dhruv, tIno.nkA sambandha hai. tIno.n apekShAyukta hai.n. akelA dhruv nahI.n hotA, akele utpAd- vyay nahI.n hote. utpAd kisakA hotA hai? jo dhruv, jo hai usakA utpAd hai. vyay bhI jo nahI.n hai, usakA vyay kyA? isaliye usakI paryAyakA vyay hotA hai. utpAd bhI jo hai usakA utpAd hotA hai. isaliye hai, usame.n to bIchame.n sat to sAthame.n A jAtA hai. dhruv to sat hai.

jo nahI.n hai usakA utpAd nahI.n hotA. jo nahI.n hai usakA vyay hotA nahI.n. jo hai usame.n koI pariNAmakA utpAd aur koI pariNAmakA vyay hotA hai. hai usakA hotA hai. isaliye dhruvatA TikAkar, utpAd aur dhruvatA TikAkar vyay hotA hai. jo asat- jo jagatame.n nahI.n hai, usakA utpAd nahI.n hotA. jo nahI.n hai, usakA kahI.n nAsh nahI.n hai. jo sat hai, us satakA utpAd aur jo hai usame.n vyay hotA hai. isaliye usame.n dhruvame.n utpAd-vyayakI apekShA sAthame.n hai.


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mumukShuH- dhruv binA akele utpAd-vyayakA vichAr karanA bhI vyartha hai.

samAdhAnaH- vyartha hai. dhruv binA akelA utpAd-vyay kyA? kahI.n asatakA utpAd nahI.n hotA. jo nahI.n hai, usakA vyay nahI.n hotA, jo hai usakA vyay hotA hai. dhruvatA TikAkar utpAd aur vyay hote hai.n. paryAyakA utpAd-vyay hai aur dravya svaya.n TikatA hai.

mumukShuH- vastukA ba.ndhAraN pahale jAnanA chAhiye. to vah ba.ndhAraN kaisA? vastukA ba.ndhAraN kise kahate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- vastu kis svabhAv-se hai? vah kis prakAr-se nitya hai? kis prakAr-se anitya hai? kis apekShA-se nitya hai? kis apekShA-se anitya? usakA utpAd-vyay kyA? usakA dhruv kyA? usakA dravya kyA? use guN kyA? usakI paryAy kyA? dravya kaisA svataHsiddha anAdiananta hai? vah sab usakA ba.ndhAraN hai. dravya-guN- paryAy, utpAd-vyay aur svataHsiddhapanA anAdiananta, Adi sab usakA ba.ndhAraN hai. phir dravya, usame.n vibhAv kaise huA? usakA svabhAv kaise pragaT ho? mUl vastu, usake dravya-guN-paryAy, utpAd-vyay usakA-dravyakA ba.ndhAraN hai. usakA koI kartA nahI.n hai, svaya.n svataHsiddha vastu hai. vah usakA ba.ndhAraN hai.

mumukShuH- koI paryAy shuddha ho yA ashuddha ho, vah dhruvame.n-se to nikalatI nahI.n hai. nikale to dhruv khAlI ho jAya. to phir svabhAv par dR^iShTi jAy to hI paryAyame.n shuddha a.nsh pragaT ho, usakA kyA kAraN?

samAdhAnaH- dhruvame.n-se nahI.n nikalatI hai arthAt jo vastu svaya.n ananta shakti- ananta guN-se bharI vastu hai. dR^iShTi svabhAv par jAy, usame.n guN pAriNAmikabhAv hai, usame.n paryAy pragaT hotI hai. dhruv khAlI nahI.n ho jAtA. ananta kAl pariName to bhI dravya kahI.n khAlI nahI.n ho jAtA. pariName to bhI jyo.nkA tyo.n rahatA hai. aisI dravyakI koI achi.ntyatA hai. usame.n ananta guN hai.n. un guNo.nkI paryAy-usakA kArya hotA hI rahatA hai. yadi kArya na ho to vah guN kaisA? vah aisA kUTastha nahI.n hai. to phir dravya pahachAname.n hI na Aye. dravya akelA kUTastha ho aur pariName hI nahI.n, to vah dravya pahachAname.n nahI.n AtA ki yah chetan hai yA jaD hai. dravya yadi pariName nahI.n to pahachAn hI nahI.n ho. akelA kUTastha ho to.

kUTastha to (isaliye kahate hai.n ki) tU paryAy par yA bhed par dR^iShTi na kara. dR^iShTi ek akhaNDa jo ekarUp vastu hai us par dR^iShTi kara. dravyakA jo pAriNAmik svabhAv hai usakA nAsh nahI.n hotA. dravyakI dravyatA kahI.n chalI nahI.n jAtI. dravya pariNamatA hai. us par dR^iShTi kare to dravya jis svabhAvarUp ho us svabhAvarUp pariNamatA hai. usakI dR^iShTi vibhAv taraph hai to vibhAvakI paryAy hotI hai aur svabhAv par dR^iShTi jAy to


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svabhAvakI paryAy ho. to bhI usakA jo svabhAv hai, dravya dravyatva ChoDatA nahI.n, dravya dravyarUp to pariNamatA hI hai. akelA kUTastha ho to dravyakI pahachAn hI na ho. dravya dravyakA kArya karatA hI rahatA hai. svabhAv par dR^iShTi jAy to svabhAvakA kArya hotA rahe. svaya.n sahaj hotA rahatA hai. use buddhipUrvak yA vikalpapUrvak karanA nahI.n paDatA sahaj hI hotA hai. dravya pariNamatA hI rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- pahale jo Apane kahA ki katha.nchit pariNAmI hai, usake AdhAr-se yah...

samAdhAnaH- katha.nchit pariNAmI aur katha.nchit apariNAmI. pariNAmI hai, dravya pariNamatA hai. svabhAv par dR^iShTi jAy to vah svataH svaya.n svabhAvarUp pariNamatA hai.

mumukShuH- padArthakA j~nAn, darshan aur chAritrarUp prati samay binA prayatna pariNaman to hotA hI rahatA hai. kyo.nki pariNamanA vah to siddhA.ntik bAt hai. to shubhAshubh rUp athavA shuddharUp, kis prakAr pariNamanA usame.n jIvakA koI amuk guN nimitta paDatA hai, arthAt j~nAn yA vIrya?

samAdhAnaH- usame.n usakA j~nAyak jo asAdhAraN guN hai, us j~nAnako pahachAne, j~nAyakatAko pahachAne. aur us rUp pratItako dR^iDh kare. dR^iShTi arthAt pratIta. dravya par dR^iShTi-pratIt kare, us prakArakA j~nAn kare aur us jAtakA usakI A.nshik pariNati hotI hai. isaliye usame.n use j~nAn, darshan aur chAritra to (hote hI hai.n). visheSh chAritra to bAdame.n hotA hai. lekin usame.n dR^iShTi, j~nAn aur usakI A.nshik pariNati ho to usakI shuddha paryAy pragaT hotI hai.

dR^iShTi to ek dravya par hai, usake sAth use j~nAn bhI samyak hotA hai. aur pariNati bhI us taraph jhukatI hai. to usame.n-se shuddha paryAy, dravyame.n-se sarvaguNA.nsh so samyagdarshan pragaT hotA hai. Aj AyA thA na? dravya kise kahate hai.n? jo dravit ho so dravya. gurudevakI Tepame.n AyA thA.

mumukShuH- jI hA.N, Aj subah pravachaname.n AyA thA.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, Aj subah (AyA thA). jo dravit ho use dravya kahate hai.n. dravya pariNamatA hai. svabhAv par dR^iShTi jAy to svabhAvarUp pariNamatA hai. vibhAvame.n dR^iShTi hai to vibhAvakI paryAye.n hotI hai.n. svabhAv par dR^iShTi jAy to svabhAvakI paryAye.n hotI hai.n. bAkI vastu to pAriNAmikabhAv-se anAdiananta ekarUp sadR^ishya pariNAm-se pariNamatA hai. vah koI apekShA-se kUTastha aur koI apekShA-se pariNAmI, koI apekShA-se apariNAmI hai.

mumukShuH- akelA kUTastha mAne.n to sab bhUl hotI hai.

samAdhAnaH- akelA kUTastha ho to usame.n koI vedan bhI nahI.n hogA, svAnubhUti


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bhI nahI.n hogI. kisI bhI prakArakA guNakA kArya (nahI.n hogA). jo kevalaj~nAn pragaT hotA hai vah bhI nahI.n hogA, chAritra nahI.n hogA, kuCh nahI.n hogA. yadi akelA kUTastha ho to koI kArya hI dravyame.n nahI.n hogA. akelA kUTastha ho to. katha.nchit pariNAmI, apariNAmI hai.

siddha bhagavAn kevalaj~nAn prApta karake, svarUpame.n unhe.n pariNAmIpanA, pariNAm pariNamate hI rahate hai.n. unhe.n pratyek guN pUrNa ho gaye. to bhI pratyek guNakA kArya agurulaghu svabhAvake kAraN sab pariNamate hI rahate hai.n. ananta kAl parya.nt pariName to bhI usame.n-se khAlI hI nahI.n hotA, utanAkA utanA rahatA hai. j~nAn ananta kAl parya.nt pariName, Ananda ananta kAl parya.nt AnandakA sAgar pariNamatA hai, to bhI usame.n-se kam hotA hI nahI.n, utanAkA utanA rahatA hai. aisI dravyakI achi.ntyatA hai. aisA hI koI dravyakA achi.ntya pAriNAmik svabhAv hai. aur sAthame.n apariNAmI hai ki jisame.n-se kuCh kam nahI.n hotA, pariName to bhI.

mumukShuH- pramANake viShayakA dravya le.n to katha.nchit kUTastha aur katha.nchit pariNAmI kah sakate hai.n, parantu jo dhruvatva bhAv hai use bhI katha.nchit kUTastha aur katha.nchit pariNAmI kah sakate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- dR^iShTi ek dravya par jAtI hai, usame.n koI bhed nahI.n paDatA hai. isaliye dR^iShTikI apekShA-se to... dR^iShTi jahA.N jAy vahA.N j~nAn samyak hotA hai. dR^iShTi aur j~nAn dono.n sAthame.n hI hote hai.n. akelI dR^iShTi ho to dR^iShTi samyak hotI hI nahI.n. dR^iShTi kA viShay hI aisA hai ki ek par dR^iShTi kare. j~nAnakA viShay aisA hai ki vah dono.nko jAne. parantu dR^iShTi samyak tab hotI hai ki jab usake sAth j~nAn ho to. j~nAn dUsarA kAm kare aur dR^iShTi dUsarA kAm kare, j~nAn mithyA ho aur dR^iShTi samyak ho aisA nahI.n banatA.

pramANaj~nAnakA matalab vah koI jUThA nahI.n hai. vah yathArtha j~nAn hai. dR^iShTikA viShay aisA hai. dR^iShTi ek par hI hotI hai. parantu j~nAn usake dono.n pahalUo.nkA vivek karatA hai. dono.n pahalUo.nkA vivek sAdhak dashAme.n sAthame.n hI hotA hai. sAdhak dashAme.n dono.nkA vivek na ho to usakI sAdhak dashA hI jUThI hogI. ek par hI dR^iShTi ho to usame.n chAritradashA yA kevalaj~nAn yA kuCh nahI.n hogA. dR^iShTi-samyagdarshan jahA.N huA vahA.N sab pUrA ho jAyagA. abhI sAdhak dashA adhUrI hai. j~nAn sab vivek karatA hai. dR^iShTiko pUjanik kahaneme.n AtA hai.

pramANako pUjanik kahoge to ye sab chAritrakI paryAy, kevalaj~nAnakI paryAy koI pUjanik nahI.n hogI. muktike mArgame.n dR^iShTi mukhya hai, isaliye use pUjanik (kahate hai.n). (kyo.nki) muktikA mArga usase prAra.nbh hotA hai. ataH use pUjanik (kahakar, j~nAnako


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gauN) karaneme.n AtA hai. parantu vyavahArame.n to kevalaj~nAnakI kaivalya dashA, vItarAg sarvaj~nadev (hai.n). sAdhak dashA jisane puruShArtha karake pragaT kI, vah sab pUjanik kahaneme.n AtA hai. muni dashA pUjanik kahaneme.n AtI hai. ataH dR^iShTi aur j~nAn dono.n sAthame.n hI hote hai.n. akelI dR^iShTi ho aur j~nAn yadi vivek na kare to vah dR^iShTi jUThI ThaharegI.

dR^iShTikA viShay aisA hai ki ek par, ekako viShay kare. aur j~nAn sab vivek kare. aur dR^iShTi binAkA j~nAn bhI yathArtha nahI.n hai. dR^iShTi mukhya ho, parantu usake sAth j~nAn ho to un dono.nkA sambandha hai. yadi akelA hogA to galat hogA. dR^iShTime.n kUTastha AyA isaliye vah sachchA aur j~nAname.n katha.nchit pariNAmI aur apariNAmI AyA, isaliye vah jUThA, aisA nahI.n hai.

kUTastha to (isaliye kahate hai.n ki), dR^iShTi muktike mArgame.n mukhya hai isaliye. tUne anAdi kAl-se yah sachchA aur yah sachchA, yah bhI sachchA aur yah bhI sachchA, aisA kiyA aur yathArtha samajhA nahI.n, isaliye us pramANako aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai. parantu dR^iShTipUrvakakA jo pramANaj~nAn hai vah to yathArtha hai. dR^iShTine viShay kiyA akhaNDakA, akhaNDakI dR^iShTi binA muktikA mArga hotA nahI.n. parantu sAthame.n jo j~nAn rahatA hai, vah dono.nkA- dravya aur paryAyakA vivek karatA hai. isaliye vah pramAN bhI yathArtha hai. usake pahalekA pramAN koI aisA kahatA ho ki nishchay sachchA aur vyavahAr bhI sachchA, aisA karatA ho to vah yathArtha nahI.n hai. parantu dR^iShTipUrvakakA j~nAn hai vah yathArtha hai.

mumukShuH- rAg-dveSh hote hai.n, vah na ho usakA upAy batAIye.

samAdhAnaH- rAg-dveSh na ho,.. pahale usakA bhedaj~nAn karanA paDatA hai. jabatak vah rAgakI dashAme.n khaDA hai, usakI rAgakI ruchi kam ho jAnI chAhiye. merA vItarAgI svabhAv mai.n jAnanevAlA hU.N. ye rAg merA svarUp nahI.n hai. aur chaitanyakA j~nAyak svabhAv hai vah merA svabhAv hai. aise svabhAvako pahachAnakar rAgakI ruchi kam kare to vah manda hotA hai. bAkI usakA nAsh pahale nahI.n hotA, pahale usakA bhedaj~nAn hotA hai ki ye rAg merA svabhAv nahI.n hai, mai.n usase bhinna jAnanevAlA, mai.n vItarAgI svabhAv hU.N. isaliye use bhinna karanekA prayatna kare. bhinna karanekA prayatna kare to vah manda hotA hai. pahale usakA bhedaj~nAn karanekA prayatna karanA ki mai.n j~nAyak hU.N aur ye rAg-dveSh hai.n. usakI ekatvabuddhi toDanekA prayatna karanA.

mumukShuH- dUsarA prashna hai ki svAdhyAy karane baiThe to thoDI der man pirotA hai, parantu bIchame.n dUsare vikalpa Ate hai.n, to vah vikalpa na Aye usakA upAy kyA hai?

samAdhAnaH- use badalate rahanA bAra.nbAr, vikalpa Aye use (badalakar) bAra.nbAr svAdhyAyame.n chitta lagAnA. anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye dUsare vikalpa A jAy to


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use bAra.nbAr badalate rahanA. shrutake chi.ntavaname.n upayogako lagAnA. vichArame.n lagAnA, usIme.n sthir na rahe to bhale hI shubhabhAvame.n (rahe), vichArako badalate rahanA. usakA prayatna karanA. anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye bIchame.n A jAy to use badalate rahanA. badalanekA prayatna karanA ki yah merA svabhAv nahI.n hai, mai.n usase bhinna hU.N. is prakAr bAra.nbAr use badalate rahanA aur shAstrake adhyayaname.n chitta lagAnA. ekame.n hI sthir na rahe to gurudevake, jinendra devake, shrutake vichAro.nko badalate rahanA, ekame.n chitta sthir na rahe to. dhyey ek (honA chAhiye ki) mai.n shuddhAtmAko kaise pahachAnU.N.

mumukShuH- ulajhan miTanekA yah ek hI sthAn hai?

samAdhAnaH- gurudevane bahut mArga batAyA hai, parantu grahaN svaya.nko karanA paDatA hai. apUrva ruchi a.ntarame.n jAge aur gurudevane kahA vah Ashay grahaN ho to a.ntarame.n palaTA hue binA rahe nahI.n. shAstrame.n AtA hai, tatprati prIti chitten, vArtApi hI shrutA. vah vArtA bhI apUrva rIt-se sunI ho. gurudevane jo vANIme.n (kahA), unakA jo Ashay thA (use grahaN kare) to vah bhAvi nirvAN bhAjan hai. parantu jo mumukShu ho use aise bhI sa.ntoSh nahI.n hotA. mai.n a.ntarame.n kaise Age baDhU.N? jise ruchi jAgR^it ho, use AtmA a.ntarame.n mile nahI.n tabatak sa.ntoSh nahI.n hotA. bhale vArtAkI apUrvatA lagI, parantu svaya.nko andar jo chAhiye vah prApta na ho tabatak mumukShuko sa.ntoSh nahI.n hotA.

jisane gurudevako grahaN kiyA, unakA Ashay samajhA vah bhAvi nirvAN bhAjana.n. parantu mumukShuko a.ntarame.n sa.ntoSh nahI.n hotA. jabatak andar Atma svarUp jo sa.ntoShasvarUp hai, jo tR^iptasvarUp hai, jisame.n sab bharA hai, aisA chaitanyadev pragaT na ho tabatak use puruShArtha hotA nahI.n, tabatak use shAnti nahI.n hotA. aur karanekA vah ek hI hai. abhyAs usIkA karanA hai, bAra.nbAr usakA abhyAs (karanA). manda paDe to bhI bAra.nbAr usakA abhyAs karanA. bAra.nbAr us taraph hI jAnA hai. anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye us abhyAsame.n jAy to bhI a.ntarame.n to svaya.nko hI palaTanA hai.

a.ntarake abhyAsako baDhA de aur dUsare abhyAsako gauN kare to a.ntarame.n-se pragaT hue binA nahI.n rahatA. bAra.nbAr mai.n j~nAyakadev hU.N, ye vibhAv merA svabhAv hI nahI.n hai. aise a.ntarame.n yadi svaya.n jAy, bAra.nbAr j~nAyakadevakA abhyAs kare to j~nAyakadev pragaT hue binA nahI.n rahatA. usakA abhyAs bAra.nbAr ChUT jAy, manda paD jAy to bhI bAra.nbAr karatA rahe. anAdikA abhyAs hai, puruShArthakI mandatA-se usame.n juD jAy to ekatvabuddhiko bAra.nbAr toDatA rahe. mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, aise bAra.nbAr abhyAs karatA rahe. din aur rAt usIkA abhyAs, usake pIChe paDe to vah pragaT hue binA nahI.n rahatA.

prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho!