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samAdhAnaH- gurudev to anek prakAr-se sab spaShTa karake kahate the. muktikA mArga gurudevane koI apUrva rIt-se sabako samajhAyA hai aur unakI vANI apUrva thI. kitano.n jIvo.nko taiyAr kar diye hai.n.

mumukShuH- gurudev-se lAbh huA to phir ekatva ho gayA.

samAdhAnaH- gurudev-se lAbh huA usame.n ekatva nahI.n hotA hai. ekatva pariNati ekatva dR^iShTi ho to hotA hai, aise ekatva nahI.n hotA hai. bhedaj~nAnapUrvakakI pariNati ho vahA.N ekatva hotA hI nahI.n. ekatvabuddhi ho vahA.N ekatva hotA hai. gurudev-se lAbh huA aisA mAne isaliye usakI ekatva pariNati nahI.n hai. vah bole aisA aur vah kahe bhI aisA ki gurudev-se lAbh huA, gurudev Ap-se lAbh huA, Apane hI sab kiyA, Ap-se hI sab prApta kiyA hai, aisA kahe.

mumukShuH- shabda ek hI ho.n, phir bhI dR^iShTime.n pharka hone-se abhiprAyame.n pharka hai.

samAdhAnaH- dR^iShTime.n pharka hone-se pUrA pharka hai. ekatvabuddhi-se kahe aur bhedaj~nAn- se kahe usame.n pharka hai.

mumukShuH- ekatvabuddhivAle-se bhI jyAdA vinay kare.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, jyAdA vinay kare, jyAdA vinay kare.

mumukShuH- bhAShAme.n to ananta tIrtha.nkaro.n-se adhik hai, aisA kahe.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, Apane yahA.N janma nahI.n dhAraN kiyA hotA to ham jaiso.nkA kyA hotA? aisA kahe. jyAdA vinay kare. kyo.nki a.ntarame.n svaya.nko jo svabhAv pragaT huA hai, us svabhAvakI use itanI mahimA hai ki jo svabhAv jisane pragaT kiyA aur samajhAyA, us par use mahimA AtI hai. a.ntarame.n jo shubhabhAv vartatA hai, usake sAth bhedaj~nAn vartatA hai aur shubh bhAvanAme.n jo AtA hai, usame.n use uChAlA AtA hai ki merI pariNati pragaT karaneme.n gurudevane aisA upadesh dekar jo gurudev maujUd the, un par use uChAlA AtA hai. ataH dUsare-se jyAdA utsAh Akar bhakti AtI hai. usakA aisA dikhe ki dUsare-se kitanI (bhakti hai). bAhar-se aisA lage mAno.n ekatvabuddhi-se karatA ho aisA dikhe. parantu shubhabhAvanAme.n use bhedaj~nAn vartatA hai, us shubhabhAvo.n-se aur shubhabhAvame.n jo

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use uChAlA AtA hai, vah alag prakArakA AtA hai.

mumukShuH- kitanA vichitra lage. andar usI bhAv-se bhedaj~nAn karatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- andar usI bhAv-se bhedaj~nAn hai aur us bhAvame.n uChAlA aisA hai ki mAno.n gurudevane hI sab kar diyA, aisA bole. aur aisI bhAvanA use hotI hai. jUTh nahI.n bolate hai.n, bhAv AtA hai. usake sAth bhedaj~nAn hai aur uChAlA aisA AtA hai.

mumukShuH- dono.n ekasAth hai.

samAdhAnaH- dono.n ekasAth hai. bhinnatA hone par bhI uChAlA aisA AtA hai, mAno.n dUsare-se usakI bhakti jyAdA ho. isaliye shAstro.nme.n AtA hai na ki us shubhabhAvanAme.n usakI sthiti kam paDatI hai, ras jyAdA hotA hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAnIko sab ma.njUrI dI gayI hai. aj~nAnI vahI shabda bole to kahe terI ekatAbuddhi hai.

mumukShuH- muphta hai? bhedaj~nAn chalatA hai.

mumukShuH- phAvAbhAI kahate the ki Ap samyagdR^iShTikA pakSha karate ho.

samAdhAnaH- ekatvabuddhi hai use kahate hai.n.

mumukShuH- bhakti aur bhedaj~nAn dono.nkA mel hotA hai, aisA hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, dono.nkA mel hai. bhedaj~nAnake sAth bhaktikA mel hai. aur svabhAvakI mahimA jahA.N AyI hai, svabhAvakI pariNati (huyI hai), shAshvat AtmA, usakI svAnubhUti, usakI mahimA AyI. vah pUrA andar sthir nahI.n ho sakatA hai, isaliye bAhar jo shubhabhAvanA Aye, us bhAvame.n usake sAmane jo jinendra dev, guru aur shAstra, jo sAdhak aur pUrNa ho gaye, un par (bhAv AtA hai ki) aho! aisI pUrNatA, aisI sAdhak dashAko dekhakar use ekadam ullAs aur uChAlA AtA hai. aur jinho.nne upadesh diyA aur upakAr kiyA, un par ekadam uChAlA AtA hai. bhedaj~nAn aur bhakti dono.n sAthame.n hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- do viShay kahe-ek to pUrNatA dekhI aur ek to jinho.nne upakAr kiyA. un dono.n par uChAlA AtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- dono.n par uChAlA AtA hai. sAdhak dashA, upakAr kiyA, upadesh diyA aur pUrNatA, un sab para. aur shAstra jo sab darshAte hai.n, un sab par uChAlA AtA hai. jitane sAdhakake aur pUrNatAke bAhar jitane sAdhan ho, un sab par use ullAs AtA hai. phir bhI usI kShaN bhedaj~nAn vartatA hai. dono.n pariNati bhinna-bhinna kAm karatI hai. j~nAyakakI aur shubhabhAv dono.n pariNati.

mumukShuH- pahale prashnake javAbame.n Apane aisA kahA ki paryAy bIchame.n AtI hai.

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bIchame.n AtI hai usakA artha kyA? pragaT paryAyako j~nAname.n jAnatA hai aur us par- se j~nAyakako grahaN karatA hai, aisA Apako kahanA hai? paryAy bIchame.n AtI hai mAne kyA?

samAdhAnaH- bIchame.n paryAy dravyako grahaN karatI hai. dravyako grahaN karaneme.n paryAy sAthame.n hotI hai. sIdhA dravya grahaN nahI.n hotA. grahaN karaneme.n paryAy sAthame.n hotI hai.

mumukShuH- dravyako grahaN karaneme.n paryAy sAthame.n hotI hai.

samAdhAnaH- paryAy sAthame.n hotI hai.

mumukShuH- aur paryAy grahaN karatI hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, paryAy dravyako grahaN karatI hai. dravyako grahaN kare arthAt vah samyak paryAy pragaT huyI. paryAy hotI hai. to hI usane dravyako grahaN kiyA kahA jAya. yadi use samyak paryAy pragaT ho to.

anAdi-se dravya to hai, parantu usane grahaN nahI.n kiyA hai. svaya.n us rUp pragaTarUp- se pariNamA nahI.n hai. dravya to anAdi-se svabhAvarUp hai, parantu usane us rUp pariNati pragaT nahI.n kI hai. isaliye paryAy use grahaN karatI hai aur paryAy us rUp pragaTarUp- se pariNamatI hai. isaliye paryAy sAthame.n hotI hai. paryAy usake sAth pragaT hotI hai, samyak rUp-se.

mumukShuH- paryAy samyak rUp-se sAthame.n pragaT hotI hai, isaliye paryAy bIchame.n hotI hai.

samAdhAnaH- paryAy bIchame.n hotI hai.

samAdhAnaH- .. pratyek vijayame.n tIrtha.nkar bhagavAn virAjate hai.n, achChe kAlame.n. vartamAname.n vIs viharamAn bhagavAn virAjate hai.n. jab chAro.n or tIrtha.nkar hote hai.n, jitane vijay hai, videhakShetrake 32 vijay hai.n. sabame.n ek-ek vijayame.n tIrtha.nkar bhagavAn virAjate hai.n. utane tIrtha.nkar virAjate hai.n.

mumukShuH- ... lAkho.n, usakI sa.nkhyAkA to pAr nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- vah to sa.nkhyAtIt hai. achChe kAlame.n to kevalaj~nAnIkA samUh, munio.nkA samUh (hotA hai). vartamAname.n mahAvideh kShetrame.n bhagavAn virAjate hai.n. kevalaj~nAnIkA samUh, munio.nkA samUh, sab samUh hai. videhakShetrame.n to chaturtha kAl vartatA hai. shrAvak, shrAvikAe.N, samyagdR^iShTi anek hote hai.n. yahA.N to bhAvali.ngI muni dikhanA mushkil hai. samyagdR^iShTikI bhI durlabhatA hai. is bharatakShetrame.n to aisA pa.nchamakAlame.n ho gayA hai.

mumukShuH- airAvatame.n bhI lagabhag aisA hI hogA?

samAdhAnaH- airAvatame.n bhI aisA hI hai. jaisA bharatame.n, vaisA airAvatame.n. dono.n AmanesAmane hai. sadA chaturtha kAl, mokSha aur kevalaj~nAn sadA rahatA hai. bhAvali.ngI muni, sab j~nAn chaturtha kAlame.n mahAvideh kShetrame.n sab hai. vahA.N kitanA hai aur yahA.N usame.n-se kuCh bhI

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nahI.n hai, thoDA rahA hai. aisA hai.

mumukShuH- kalpanA karanI bhI mushkil paDe aisA ho gayA hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, thoDA rahA hai. ye to gurudevake pratAp-se itanA prachAr ho gayA. aur sabako aisA ho gayA ki a.ntarame.n kuCh alag karanA hai, aisI sabakI dR^iShTi huyI ki karanA a.ntarame.n hai. chAro.n or hindustAname.n itanA prachAr ho gayA. nahI.n to ekadam (kShIN) ho gayA thA. bAhya kriyAme.n dharma manAte the. ...

samAdhAnaH- .. prayatna aur bhAvanA to rahate hI hai.n, a.ntarame.n jabatak nahI.n ho tabataka.

mumukShuH- bahut bAr vichAr AtA hai ki gaharI jij~nAsA, Ap kahate ho, gaharI jij~nAsA chAhiye. to gaharI jij~nAsA kis prakArakI hogI? vaisI gaharI jij~nAsA apaneme.n kyo.n pragaT nahI.n hotI hai?

samAdhAnaH- (usake binA) use chain paDe nahI.n. a.ntarame.n usakI pariNati vahA.N jAkar hI ChUTakArA ho, aisI a.ntarame.n-se ugra pariNati pragaT ho to ho.

mumukShuH- vah nira.ntar akhaNDa rahanI chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- nira.ntar akhaNDa rahe to pragaT hotA hai. ek a.ntarmuhUrtame.n kisIko pragaT ho vah bAt alag hai. bAkI abhyAs karate-karate bahubhAg hotA hai.

mumukShuH- jitanI gaharAIme.n jAye, usakA gaharA bhAv grahaN hokar pariNaman ho jAnA chAhiye, usame.n abhI bahut der lagatI hai.

samAdhAnaH- jitanI andar bhAvanA ho us anusAr usakA puruShArtha (chalatA hai). aur vah sahajarUp-se andar ho jAy to use hue binA rahe nahI.n. jaise dUsarA sab sahaj ho gayA hai, vaise apanI taraphakA puruShArtha bhI use sahaj ekadam ugrarUp-se ho to ho. bAr-bAr use ChUT jAy aur karanA paDe, usake bajAy use sahaj us taraphakI ugratA, bhAvanA, us or tIkhA puruShArtha rahA hI kare to hotA hai.

dUsarA sab sahaj abhyAs jaisA ho gayA hai, vibhAvakA to. vaise yah use sahaj (ho jAnA chAhiye). mai.n j~nAn-j~nAyakamUrti hU.N, vaisA sahaj a.ntarame.n-se us jAtakI pariNati ban jAy, bhale abhyAsarUp ho, to use a.ntarame.n Age baDhanekA kuCh ho sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- vedan aisA honA chAhiye ki jisase vah prApta na ho tabatak chain na paDe.

samAdhAnaH-hA.N, chain na paDe, aisA vedan use andar-se AnA chAhiye. apanA svabhAv grahaN kare, parantu vah manda-manda nahI.n hokarake aisA vedan andar-se pragaT ho ki vah prApta na ho tabatak chain na paDe. aisA ho to use andar-se ugra Alamban aur ugra pariNati apanI taraph jAy to vah pragaT hue binA rahe hI nahI.n. AkulatArUp nahI.n,

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parantu use andar-se vedan hI aisA hotA hai ki pariNati bAhar Tikaneke bajAy, ekatvabuddhi TUTakar a.ntarame.n j~nAyak pariNati ho, aisI ugratA honI chAhiye. phir visheSh lInatAkI bAt bAdame.n rahatI hai. parantu ye j~nAyakakI pariNati use bhinna hokar ekadam pariNamanarUp ho, aisA ugra vedan use andar-se AnA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- utanA ho to bhI bahut hai. utanA ho. phir Age chAritrakI ekAgratA alag bAt hai.

samAdhAnaH- usakA a.ntarame.n bAr-bAr abhyAs karatA rahe. vah ugra kaise ho, aisI bhAvanA karate-karate ugra ho to kAm Aye. parantu abhyAs karaneme.n thakanA nahI.n. abhyAs to karate hI rahanA. use ChoDanA nahI.n. usakI sanmukhatA taraphakA prayatna ChoDanA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- sanmukhatAme.n thoDA khyAl Aye, mAtAjI! phir to ChUTe nahI.n. parantu mUlame.n jo bhAvabhAnasarUp-se j~nAyak lakShyame.n AnA chAhiye, vah koI bAr Aye, phir to kitane hI samay tak aisA lage ki ye to jo khyAl AtA thA vah bhI nahI.n AtA hai, aisA bhI ho jAtA hai. vah grahaN hokar TikA rahe to-to ullAs baDhe, sab ho aur Age baDhanA ho. parantu aisI paristhiti kabhI-kabhI ho jAtI hai ki kabhI do-chAr- ChaH mahineme.n thoDA khyAl AyA...

samAdhAnaH- phir-se sthUl ho jAtA hai na, isaliye bAhar sthUlatAme.n chalA jAtA hai. isaliye use sUkShmatA honeme.n der lagatI hai. aisA ho jAya. vaisA use a.ntarame.n-se phir-se laganI lage to ho sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- satpuruSho.nko dhanya hai ki unho.nne aisI pariNatiko dhArAvAhI TikAkar apanA kArya kar liyA.

samAdhAnaH- .. vah a.ntarame.n-se Age jAtA hai. dhArAvAhI pariNati to bAdame.n hotI hai, parantu ye usakA abhyAsa.

muumukShuH- abhyAsame.n dhArAvAhI. samAdhAnaH- dhArAvAhI. khaNDa paD jAy aur sthUl ho jAy, isaliye phir-se sUkShma honeme.n aur j~nAyakako grahaN karaneme.n der lagatI hai. aise bAr-bAr chalatA hai. parantu aise hI bAra.nbAr aisA ugra abhyAs kare to use ho.

mumukShuH- pariNati sa.nyogAdhIn ho jAtI hai. mumukShuH- .. shraddhAguN aur j~nAnaguN dono.nkA sAthame.n honA vah shraddhA hai? vah pakkA nirNay?

samAdhAnaH- pratItakI shraddhA bhI kahate hai.n aur j~nAname.n dR^iDhatA, dono.n kahate hai.n. vichAr karake nirNay kare. j~nAnakI dR^iDhatA aur shraddhAkI dR^iDhatA, dono.n. dono.n kahaneme.n AtA hai.

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pakkA nirNay, lekin andar vichAr-se nirNay kare vah alag hai. andar svabhAv pariNatime.n- se nirNay Ave vah alag hai. ye to vikalpAtmak nirNay hai. dhAraNA arthAt raTA huA, smaraName.n rakhA huA, gurudevake upadesh-se grahaN kiyA huA, vichAr-se nakkI kare ki barAbar aisA hI hai, vah pakkA nirNaya. vah nirNay j~nAn-se bhI hotA hai aur pratItame.n bhI hotA hai.

mumukShuH- phir to anubhUti ho tabhI pakkA nirNay kahA jAyegA na?

samAdhAnaH- anubhUti ho tab kahA jAya. parantu anubhUti hone pUrva use yathArtha kAraN pragaT ho tab bhI nirNay hotA hai. parantu ye to abhI vikalpAtmak, pahalekA nirNay hai vah sthUl hai. usake bAd jo anubhUtipUrvakakA nirNay hotA hai vah yathArtha hai.

mumukShuH- aur jinavANIme.n sabame.n j~nAn, darshan aur chAritra in tIno.n guNakI mukhyatA- se j~nAyakako kaise prApta karanA vah AtA hai, to j~nAyakame.n ananta guN hai, jIvame.n to ananta guN hai to phir ye tIn guN hI vibhAv pariNatiyukta hai.n? ki unakI shuddhatA- se j~nAyakakI prApti hotI hai?

samAdhAnaH- ananta guN vibhAvarUp nahI.n pariName hai.n. sAdhak dashAme.n tIn Ate hai.n-darshan, j~nAn aur chAritra. darshan yathArtha hotA hai to j~nAn bhI yathArtha hotA hai. phir chAritra bAkI rahatA hai. phir lInatA hotI hai. darshan, j~nAn, chAritra tIn ho to sab shuddha hotA hai. ananta guN sab ashuddha nahI.n hue hai.n. darshan, j~nAn, chAritrakI.... ek samyagdarshan hotA hai to sarva guNo.nkI pariNati samyakarUp ho jAtI hai. ek chakra phire, dishA par taraph hai, sva taraph Aye to pUrA chakra sva taraph hotA hai.

mumukShuH- thoDA kaThin lagatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- na ho tabatak... ChoD denese (kyA hogA)? ruchi karate rahanA, bhAvanA karate rahanA, karanA to ek hI hai-AtmAko grahaN karanA vahI hai.

mumukShuH- munirAjako tIn kaShAyakI chaukaDI (gayI hai), utanI shuddhatA hotI hai aur thoDI ashuddhatA hotI hai, to chAritraguNakI ek paryAyame.n shuddhatA-ashuddhatA dono.n sAthame.n rahatI hai?

samAdhAnaH- dono.n sAth rahate hai.n. usake amuk a.nsh shuddha hote hai.n aur thoDI ashuddhatA hai. munirAjako vItarAg dashA nahI.n huyI hai, isaliye thoDA sa.njvalanakA kaShAy hai. chAritra bahut pragaT huA hai. thoDI ashuddhatA rahatI hai.

mumukShuH- aur vah shuddhikI vR^iddhi shuddhopayog hotA jAy tabhI hotI hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, shuddhopayog (hone-se) andar shuddhikI pariNati hotI jAtI hai. virakta dashA, a.ntar-se visheSh-visheSh a.ntarame.n lInatA hotI jAtI hai, lInatA baDhatI jAtI

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hai. isaliye Age jAte hai.n.

mumukShuH- j~nAn so AtmA. bhed paDA isaliye 11vI.n gAthA anusAr sadabhut vyavahAranay huA, abhUtArtha yAnI paradravya jaisA huA, to j~nAnakI paryAy pUrA AtmA svadravya j~nAt hotA hai? anubhUti hotI hai?

samAdhAnaH- guN-guNIkA bhed paDatA hai isaliye sadabhut vyavahAr hai. abhUtArtha yAnI usame.n Ap jaise kahate ho vah nayakA svarUp hai, aisA nahI.n hai. dravyadR^iShTi-se par kahaneme.n AtA hai. vah paryAy apanI hI hai. use dravyadR^iShTikI apekShA-se bhed AtmAme.n nahI.n hai, AtmA to akhaNDa hai. akhaNDa vastu hai. usame.n bhed karanA, pUrNa aur apUrNakA bhed paDe us apekShA-se use par kahaneme.n AtA hai. vAstavik rUp-se vah jaD hai aisA usakA artha nahI.n hai. vah jaD nahI.n hai, chaitanyakI paryAy hai.

mumukShuH- apanI?

samAdhAnaH- hai apanI paryAy, parantu usame.n bhed paDatA hai isaliye dravyadR^iShTikI apekShA- se use par kahaneme.n AtA hai. vah Apane kyA kahA abhUtArtha? ... bAkI us ashuddha paryAyako koI apekShA-se apanI kahaneme.n AtI hai. isaliye use asadabhut vyavahAr kahaneme.n AtA hai. vyavahArake bahut bha.ng hai.

... koI apekShA-se apanI kahaneme.n AtI hai. dravyadR^iShTikI apekShA-se use par kahaneme.n AtA hai aur bhed paDe, apanI paryAy hai isaliye apanI kahaneme.n AtI hai.

mumukShuH- aur jis samay anubhUti ho, us vakta to paryAy rahit dravya j~nAyak, ekarUp j~nAyak hI...

samAdhAnaH- paryAy rahit dravya nahI.n ho jAtA. mumukShuH- nahI.n, vartamAn paryAy to bAhar rah jAtI hai na? samAdhAnaH- palaT jAtI hai. ashuddha paryAy palaTakar shuddha paryAy hotI hai. dravya par dR^iShTi dene-se shuddha pariNati pragaT hotI hai. paryAy rahit dravya nahI.n ho jAtA, paryAyakI shuddha pariNati hotI hai. ... parantu j~nAname.n sab dhyAn rakhanA. paryAy rahit koI dravya hotA nahI.n. parantu usakA astitva grahaN karake usakA bhed paDatA hai, use lakShyame.n lene- se vikalpa AtA hai. isaliye use lakShyame.n nahI.n liyA jAtA. parantu usakI pariNati to hotI hai. usakI svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai, vahI paryAy hai. pariNati to hotI hai. dravya svaya.n paryAyarUp pariNamatA hai, parantu us par lakShya nahI.n rakhanA hai. paryAy usame.n- se nikal nahI.n jAtI, paryAy pariNamatI hai. dravyakI dR^iShTi pragaT karanI hai. bAkI j~nAname.n to paryAy hai, aisA rakhanA hai aur vah pariNati dravyakI hI hotI hai, svAnubhUtime.n.