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mumukShuH- lakaDahArA tura.nt dharma prApta kare aur mokShame.n jAtA hai. to .. itanI der lagatI hai?

samAdhAnaH- lakaDahArA prApta karatA hai, puruShArtha kare use hotA hai. sab AtmA hI hai. usakA deh lakaDahArekA milA usame.n kyA huA? jo puruShArtha karatA hai use hotA hai.

mumukShuH- sab mumukShuo.nkI bhAvanA to yahI hai ki bAra.nbAr bhAg-bhAgakar ...

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, lekin puruShArtha utanA nahI.n hai. puruShArtha nahI.n hai, bhAvanA hai. bhAvanA karatA rahe lekin jo mArga hai, us mArgako svaya.n a.ntarame.nse puruShArtha karake pragaT nahI.n karatA hai. bhAvanA karatA rahe.

mumukShuH- bhAvanA AsAn hai, puruShArtha kaThin paDatA hai na.

samAdhAnaH- puruShArtha kaThin paDatA hai, jo vastu hai us vastu anusAr kArya karanA. vah AtA hai na? mujhe ba.ndhan hai, mujhe ba.ndhan hai, aisA vichAr karatA rahe. ba.ndhan hai- ba.ndhan hai karate rahanese ba.ndhan TUTatA nahI.n, ba.ndhanako toDe to ba.ndhan TUTatA hai.

mumukShuH- toDaneke liye to ham sab Apake pAs Ate hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- toDanA to apane hAthakI bAt hai. use dUsarA koI nahI.n toD detA. vichAr shrR^i.nkhalA, shAstrame.n (AtA hai) vichAr shrR^i.nkhalA. ba.ndhan hai, ba.ndhan hai aisI vichAr shrR^i.nkhalA karatA rahe to ba.ndhan TUTatA nahI.n. mai.n bhinna-bhinna (hU.N), bhale bhAvanA kare. dUsarI bhAvanAse yah bhAvanA usakI achChI hai, vichAr karatA rahe ki mai.n bhinna hU.N, bhinna hU.N, aise vichAr karate rahanese (bhinnatA nahI.n hotI). bhinnatA karanekA prayatna kare to bhinna paDatA hai. beDIkA ba.ndhan hai, ba.ndhan hai, aisA kare, toDanA hai, aisA vichAr kare to bhI nahI.n TUTatA. toDanekA kArya kare to hI TUTe.

bhAvanA karatA rahatA hai, mumukShu (vichAr karatA hai ki) mai.n bhinna hU.N, yah merA svarUp nahI.n hai. kab pragaT ho, aisA vichAr kare, vichAr karanese nahI.n hotA. vichAr bhale hI use ek sAdhanake sthAn par rahe, lekin toDanA to apane hAthakI bAt hai. toDe binA TUTatA nahI.n.

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mumukShuH- aisA AtA hai ki j~nAnIkA ek shabda sune aur andarame.n paTalA ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- palaT jAtA hai apane puruShArthase. upAdAn apanA hai. puruShArthake binA palaTanA nahI.n hotA. gurudev kahate hai.n na, anek bAr bhagavAn mil to bhI svaya.n apane puruShArthakI kamIke kAraN palaTA nahI.n. bhagavAnakA nimitta to joradAr thA aur gurudevakA nimitta joradAr thA. lekin svaya.n palaTatA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- palaTanA nahI.n AtA.

samAdhAnaH- AtA nahI.n aisA nahI.n hai, svaya.nkI utanI taiyArI nahI.n hai, nahI.n to Aye binA rahe hI nahI.n. lekin svaya.n palaTatA hI nahI.n.

mumukShuH- bhAvanA to hai ki palaTanA hai, puruShArtha karanA hai.

samAdhAnaH- palaTanA hai aisA vichAr kare. beDI toDanI hai, use sUjhe ki is prakAr beDI toD, to hI TUTe. beDIse jo ulajhA ho, vah beDI toDanekA mArga DhU.NDhe binA rahatA hI nahI.n. ulajh gayA hai ki yah kaise TUTe? usakA mArga chAhe jaise pUChakar, svaya.n nakkI karake, chAhe jitane sAdhan ikaTThe karake toDe binA nahI.n rahatA. jo vAsvatame.n ulajhane.n AyA hai, vah ChUTe binA nahI.n rahatA. svaya.nko andarase vAstavik rUpame.n lagI nahI.n hai. utanI tIvra tAlAvelI nahI.n hai. lage to toDanekA prayatna svaya.n hI karatA hai.

mumukShuH- abhI vartamAn kAlame.n to sabhI mumukShuo.nko yah bhAvanA hai ki hame.n j~nAnI gurudev mile hai.n, mAtAjI mile hai.n, bAra.nbAr unakA parichay kare, bAra.nbAr unake pAs jAye.n, bAra.nbAr samIp rahakar lAbh le.n. aisI bhAvanA hai. vaise sunanA, paDhanA sab hai. ab palaTaneme.n visheSh...

samAdhAnaH- a.ntarame.n dhIrA hokar, sUkShma hokar Age jAnA chAhie vah nahI.n jAtA, anAdise yah sab karatA rahatA hai. vah use kaThin lagatA hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAnI bAra.nbAr kahe to bhI use Age nahI.n baDhanA hai?

samAdhAnaH- karanA to svaya.nko hI hai, dUsarA koI nahI.n kar detA.

mumukShuH- mahAvideh kShetra jaisA abhI yog hai. usame.n yahI ek karane jaisA hai. phir bhI itanI der lagatI hai?

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n andar vichAr karake dekhe ki svaya.n hI pramAd karake aTakA hai. to svaya.nko pakaD sakatA hai ki svaya.n hI aTakA hai, koI rokatA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- koI DAkTar aisA i.njekshan lagAtA hai to tvarAse darda miT jAtA hai. vaise Ap..

samAdhAnaH- vah sab to bAharakA puNyoday hai. i.njekshan dekar nahI.n bhI miTe,

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aisA bhI bane. gurudevakA to aisA thA ki jo andar kArya kare use asar kiye binA rahe hI nahI.n. lekin svaya.nko kArya karanA hai. svaya.n kArya karatA nahI.n. svaya.nkI bhUl hai.

mumukShuH- svaya.nko svastha nahI.n honA hai.

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n taiyAr nahI.n hotA. "karma bichAre kaun, bhUl merI adhikAI'. svaya.nkI bhUl hai, par kyA kare? bAharake sAdhan kyA kare? svaya.n hI nahI.n palaTatA hai.

mumukShuH- palaTanA itanA kaThin hai ki svaya.n palaTatA nahI.n?

samAdhAnaH- anAdikA abhyAs hai. kaThin nahI.n hai, sahaj hai. lekin svaya.nkA pramAd hai. ... jAgR^it hI nahI.n hotA, aisA hai. jAgR^it honA apane hAthakI bAt hai. gurudevakI vANI sabako jAgR^it karatI hai. sabako ruchi to huI, phir puruShArtha karanA to svaya.nke hAthame.n hai. unak vANI aisI thI ki sabako ruchi ho jAya. AtmAkI or ruchi pragaT ho jAya. yah sab sa.nsAr niHsAr hai. AtmA hI ek sArabhUt hai. aise kitane hI jIvo.nko andar ruchi ho jAya. lekin phir Age baDhanA apane hAthakI bAt hai.

mumukShuH- ApakI vANI sunanI hai...

samAdhAnaH- ... vibhAv pariNati hotI hai, vah svaya.nke puruShArthakI ma.ndatAse hotI hai. ma.ndatAse hotI hai, lekin usame.nse bhedaj~nAn kare ki mai.n yah chaitanya hU.N, dUsarA kuCh merA svarUp nahI.n hai. svaya.n grahaN kare usame.n use apanA pUrNa svarUp use pratItame.n A gayA. lekin bAdame.n use bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA nira.ntar rahatI hai. aise vikalpase nirNay kare aise nahI.n, para.ntu sahaj rahe. sahaj pratikShaN din-rAt, kShaN-kShaName.n bhinna pariNati rahe. usame.n pariNati sahaj rahe. usane.n lInatA karate-karate use sahaj lInatA baDhe to pUrNa paryAy pragaT hotI hai. pUrNa svarUp to kevalaj~nAn ho tab hotA hai.

mumukShuH- grahaN kaise karanA? kaisA puruShArtha karanA?

samAdhAnaH- pUrNa kevalaj~nAn to is kAlame.n pragaT nahI.n hotA. abhI to bhedaj~nAn aur samyagdarshan mAtra hotA hai aur chAritradashA tak amuk (had) tak pahu.NchA jA sakatA hai. kyo.nki abhI utanI puruShArthakI dhArA kevalaj~nAn ho vahA.N tak (nahI.n pahu.NchatI). yah pa.ncham kAl hai na. jab yahA.N mahAvIr bhagavAn vicharate the, tab yahA.N kevalaj~nAn parya.nt sab pahu.Nchate the. lekin abhI to ek samyagdarshan aur usakI amuk prakArase lInatA hotI hai. lekin usakA pUrNa grahaN, usakA dravya svarUp to pahale grahaN ho jAtA hai.

mai.n chaitanya dravya anAdiananta shAshvat hU.N. mai.n jAnanevAlA j~nAyak hU.N. jo jAnanevAlA hai vah svaya.n hai. svaya.n hI jAnanevAlA hai. use pUrNa grahaN ho jAnA chAhiye. usake bAd usakI paryAy arthAt usakI jo kevalaj~nAnakI dashA hai vah bAdame.n hotI hai. lekin

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pahale use pUrNa grahaN hotA hai. pUrNa grahaN hokar bhedaj~nAnakI dashA rahatI hai. bhedaj~nAnakI dashAme.nse vah svarUpame.n aisA lIn hotA hai ki koI bAr use vikalpa ChUT jAtA hai. vikalpa ChUTakar nyArA ho jAtA hai. nyArA hotA hai, usame.n j~nAn aur Ana.ndase bharA AtmA hai. j~nAn-Anandase apUrva bharA hai. bAhyase upayog ChUTakar a.ntarame.n jAya. aisA upayog (ho jAtA hai ki) jagatase judA koI jAtyA.ntar ki jisakI jAti jagatake sAth mel nahI.n AtI. aisA use apUrva Ananda aur nirvikalpa dashA koI apUrva pragaT hotI hai.

mumukShuH- samyagdarshan tIn prakArake hai.n na? to upasham samyagdarshan to niyamase chalA jAtA hai na?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N.

mumukShuH- to phir aisA kyA karanA ki j~nAnIkA hI sa.nyog mile? mujhe to itanA hI kahanA hai ki mujhe aisA kaho ki gurudevake pAs hI merA janma ho, usake alAvA kuCh nahI.n. usake liye jo kuCh karanA paDe vah karaneke liye mai.n taiyAr hU.N. mujhe itanI AtmAkI ruchi hai ki utanA mujhe koI sAth nahI.n detA. mai.nne kitanA sahan kiyA hai dharmake liye. mujhe kitanI ruchi, mujhe AtmAkI tIvra ruchi hai. ek AtmA hI chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevake pAs janma ho, vah vaisI bhAvanA rakhe ki mujhe sa.nto.nkA samAgam mile, gurukA samAgam mile.

mumukShuH- mujhe kitane yAd Ate hai.n. mai.nne dekhA nahI.n hai. kal bhI mai.n sArI rAt rotI thI, gurudevako yAd karake. lekin mujhe koI samajhAtA nahI.n. mujhe AtmA chAhiye, koI vANI nahI.n hai. kitanI rotI thI.

samAdhAnaH- gurudev svapname.n Ate hai.n?

mumukShuH- hA.N, mai.nne to dekhA nahI.n hai aur is prakAr Ate hai.n. isaliye mai.n Apake pAs AyI hU.N. mujhe mAno ki kahate ho, dilAsA dete hai.n. mujhe itanI aTUT shraddhA hai. mai.nne sonagaDh bhI Aj hI dekhA.

samAdhAnaH- sonagaDh Aj hI dekhA? svAdhyAy ma.ndir hai na? usame.n gurudev 45 sAl (rahe), svAdhyAyame.n rahe. pahale tIn sAl ek ba.ngaleme.n rahe. phir tIn sAlake bAd yahA.N (rahane lage). gurudev is sonagaDhame.n 45 sAl rahe. tIn sAlake bAd hameshA sonagaDhame.n svAdhyAy ma.ndir hai na? usame.n unakI pratikR^iti hai. vahA.N gurudev 45 sAl, lagabhag 45 sAl tak yahA.N virAje hai.n. jab-jab chAturmAs Aye, chAturmAsame.n nahI.n jAte the. thoDe sAl to yahI.n rahate the. vihAr bhI nahI.n karate the. bAhar bhI nahI.n jAte the. chAr- pA.Nch sAlake (bAd jAne lage). phir vihAr rAjakoT, mu.nbaI bahut bAr padhArate the. mu.nbaI

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padhArate the, lekin Apako mAlUm nahI.n hogA.

mumukShuH- lekin mai.n jain nahI.n hU.N nA, bahin! isaliye mujhe kyA mAlUm ki yah dharma hai ki aisA hai. ek bAr shrImad rAjacha.ndra pustak hAthame.n AyA, to mujhe lagA, are..! aisA jain dharma hai! phir khojate-khojate kitanA sahan karake devavalAlIme.n rukI. dhyAn karatI thI, vahA.N guphAme.n. sabako yahI prArthanA karatI thI. lekin pIChale tIn mahineme.n gurudevakA mujhe itanA nishchay ho gayA hai ki... likhanA ho to mujhe andarase AtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- aisA AtA hai. ApakI bhAvanA achChI hai. bahan! thoDA vichAr karanA, kuCh vA.nchan karanA. dravya aur paryAya. dravya-guN aur paryAy dravyakA svarUp hai. dravyame.n vah j~nAyak hai. vah j~nAyak svataH j~nAyak hai. kisIne use banAyA nahI.n hai. j~nAyak hai vah j~nAyak hai. j~nAyak aisA hai ki usame.n ananta guN bhare hai.n. ananta guName.n ek j~nAn aur ek Ananda (hai). Ananda guN to aisA hai ki koI anupam hai. koI vikalpase usakI kalpanA nahI.n ho sakatI. aisA koI nyArA hI hai. vikalpa ChUT jAya. vah koI alag hI hai. Ananda, j~nAn ityAdi ananta guNo.nse bharA hai ki jisakA pAr nahI.n. jise bol bhI nahI.n sakate, jo vANIme.n nahI.n Ate. koI ananta guNase bharA aisA koI AtmA hai. pahale usakI shraddhA hotI hai ki yah jAnanevAlA j~nAyak hai. j~nAn hotA hai na? lekin vah j~nAyak (hai). j~nAyakako grahaN karanA. lekin usakI svAnubhUti aur usake ananta guN jo svAnubhUtime.n Ate hai.n, andar vikalpa ChUT jAy vah andarame.n kuCh alag hotA hai.

use andar svAnubhUti koI alag (hotI hai). phir bhI Ap andar vichAr karanA. andar bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA kShaN-bhaN (chalatI hai). use vichAr nahI.n karanA paDe ki mai.n yah bhinna hU.N. puruShArthakI dhArA andarame.n chalatI rahe. mai.n yah bhinna hU.N, bhinna hU.N. jo-jo vij~nakalpa Aye usI kShaN mai.n bhinna hU.N. shubhabhAv jo Ate hai.n ki mujhe gurudev mile, aise shubhabhAv, vah sab shubhabhAv hai. aur dUsare laukik bhAv hai vah ashubhabhAv hai. dono.n bhAvase bhinna AtmA hai. shAstrame.n AtA hai ki un sabase bhinna hai, AtmA to bhinna hI hai. usakI a.ntarame.n shraddhA barAbar karanI. aur j~nAyak-j~nAyak karate hue yadi usame.n lIn hA jAy to pUrNatA hotI hai. lekin vah lInatA, abhI to gR^ihasthAshramame.n hai isaliye samyagdarshan hotA hai. samyagdarshaname.n use bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA, svAnubhUti hotI hai. svAnubhUtime.nse punaH bAhar AtA hai. bAhar AtA hai to bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA chalatI hai. andar jAy to svAnubhUti hotI hai. aisI dashA amuk prakArakI hotI hai.

usake bAd use jab munidashA AtI hai, munidashA Aye usame.n aisA tyAg ho jAtA

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hai ki ja.ngalame.n jAkar kShaN-kShaName.n svAnubhUti karate hai.n. kShaN-kShaName.n svAnubhUti. aisI dashA ho jAtI hai. munio.nko aisI pratikShaN svAnubhati hote-hote, ve aise andar sthir ho jAte hai.n ki usame.n pUrNa kevalaj~nAn ho jAya. tab pUrNa hotA hai. use aisI koI munidashA AtI hai ki use jagatakI kuCh paDI nahI.n hai. aise muni ja.ngalame.n rahate hai.n. ja.ngalame.n rahate hai.n use bAharakI khAnekI, pInekI, AhArakI kuCh (paDI) nahI.n hai. ve ja.ngalame.n rahate hai.n. aisI munidashA Aye, aisI munidashA Aye usame.n aise lIn ho jAte hai.n, tab unhe.n kevalaj~nAn pUrNa dashA pragaT hotI hai. pUrNa dashA karaneke liye, vah to bahut taiyArI ho tab hotI hai. lekin usake pahale jo samyagdarshan hotA hai, us samyagdarshaname.n bhavakA abhAv ho jAtA hai. phir use adhik bhav nahI.n rahate.

mumukShuH- aisA hI lagatA hai ki bhav hai hI nahI.n. itanA bal kyo.n AtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- achChI bAt hai, lekin andar thoDA adhik (prayatna karanA). gurudevakI bhAvanA rahatI ho to gurudev prati shubhabhAvanA rahe to usakA janma usI prakArase hotA hai. jise ugra shubhabhAvanA rahatI ho, ugra bhAvanAse aisA banatA hai. aur upasham samyagdarshanakI to sthiti hI aisI hai ki anAdime.n sarva pratham ho tab upasham hI hotA hai, phir use kShayopasham hotA hai. vah to aisA hI .. hai.

mumukShuH- vah chalA nahI.n jAy, usake liye kyA karanA?

samAdhAnaH- bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA chAlU rakhanI.

mumukShuH- hame.n to koI j~nAnIkA samAgam bhI nahi.n milatA, kisake pAs (jAye.n)? Apame.n to sarvasva hai, phir bhI koI preraNA denevAlA, koI vANI.. kahA.N mile?

samAdhAnaH- ye dev-guru-shAstrakA sAnnidhya ho to hotA hai. mu.nbaIme.n sAdharmI hai.n, apanA vA.nchan chalatA hai. Ap kahA.N rahate ho?

mumukShuH- borIvalIme.n.

samAdhAnaH- malAD Apake pAs hai?

mumukShuH- hA.N. yahA.N itanI dUr AyI hU.N to vahA.N to (jA sakatI hU.N). mujhe to chAhe jaise ho, chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- malADame.n vA.nchan chalatA hai. gurudevake shAstrakA svAdhyAy hotA hai, vahA.N mandir hai.

mumukShuH- lekin yah tattva itanA gaharA hai, paDhat-paDhate aisA hotA hai, ek vAkya paDhane par lagatA hai, mujhe unakA hR^iday ab mAlUm paDatA hai. mai.nne to dekhe nahI.n. aisA sab likhA hai! mAno sAkShAt bhagavAnakA likhA ho!

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, sAkShAt bhagavAnakA likhA hai.

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mumukShuH- itanA unakA hotA hai ki alaukik!

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, alaukik hai. lekin Apako adhik samajhanA ho to malADame.n svAdhyAy chalatA hai, gurudevake shAstrakA svAdhyAy chalatA hai, gurudevake pravachanakA svAdhyAy chalatA hai. yah shAstra-mUl shAstra samayasAr chalatA hai, pravachanasAr chalatA hai. vahA.N sab chalatA hai. vahA.N malADame.n kaun vA.nchan karate hai.n?

mumukShuH- chImanalAl ThAkarashI.

samAdhAnaH- chImanalAl ThAkarashI. unhe.n Ap kuCh pUChe.nge to prashnake uttar bhI de.nge.

mumukShuH- vahA.N hameshA vA.nchan Adi chalatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vA.nchan chalatA hai. vahA.N bhagavAnakA mandir hai, vahA.N pUjA hotI hai, vA.nchan chalatA hai, sab hotA hai.

mumukShuH- kitanA bhaTakate hai.n, lekin kuCh milatA nahI.n. koI j~nAnI (nahI.n milate). kitanI jagah gaI. koI kahatA hai, yahA.N hai, yahA.N jAo, vahA.N hai, vahA.N jAo.

samAdhAnaH- vahA.N mumukShu hai.n. gurudevake pravachan jinho.nne sune hai.n, gurudevakA parichay jinho.nne kiyA hai, vaise log vahA.N hai.n. Ap vahA.N (raho) to Apako jyAdA khyAl AyegA. Apako kyA chalatA hai, dUsarA to kaise mAlUm paDe? Apako kyA hai vah Apako hI nakkI karanA paDe.

... chalatI ho, aur koI-koI bAr use svAnubhUti hotI hai. bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA chalatI hai.

mumukShuH- aisA lagatA hai ki svAnubhUti aisI hai. bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA chale to Ap jaise kahate ho vaisA sahaj chalatA hI rahe.

samAdhAnaH- .. pUrA dravya A jAtA hai. ek-ek guN par dR^iShTi nahI.n, akhaNDa abhed par dR^iShTi hotI hai.

mumukShuH- aisA hI. bhed nahI.n, akhaNDa abheda. kyo.nki andarame.n vaisI hI vastusthiti andarame.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- ..jaise hireme.n chamak hotI hai. vaise vastu ek hai, lekin usame.n paryAy (hai.n). j~nAn j~nAnakA kArya lAye, chAritra chAritrakA kArya lAye, vah sab kArya lAte hai.n. lekin abhI j~nAn, darshan, chAritra pragaT nahI.n hue hai.n, isaliye j~nAn, darshan, chAritra vibhAvame.n vartate hai.n. svabhAv pragaT ho to j~nAn, darshan, chAritra svabhAvakI or pragaT hote hai.n, usakA kArya AtA hai. lekin bhed par usakI dR^iShTi nahI.n hotI. j~nAname.n sab hotA hai. jAnatA hai, lekin dR^iShTi to ek dravya par, abhed par hotI hai.

mumukShuH- dono.nkI sa.ndhike bIch praj~nAChainI paTakanese, kahA hai na? ki dono.nkI sa.ndhime.n...

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samAdhAnaH- hA.N, praj~nAChainI sa.ndhime.n (paTakanI).

mumukShuH- vah sAdhan hai na? vah paTakaneke bAd bhedaj~nAn ho jAtA hai. chattArI ma.ngala.n, ariha.ntA ma.ngala.n, sAhU ma.ngala.n, kevalipaNatto dhammo ma.ngala.n. chattArI loguttamA, ariha.ntA loguttamA, siddhA loguttamA, sAhU loguttamA, kevalipaNatto dhammo loguttamA.

chattArI sharaNa.n pavajjAmi, ariha.ntA sharaNa.n pavajjAmi, siddhA sharaNa.n pavajjAmi, kevalI paNatto dhammo sharaNa.n pavajjAmi.

chAr sharaN, chAr ma.ngal, chAr uttam kare je, bhavasAgarathI tare te sakaL karmano ANe a.nta. mokSha taNA sukh le ana.nt, bhAv dharIne je guN gAye, te jIv tarIne muktie jAya. sa.nsAramA.nhI sharaN chAr, avar sharaN nahI.n koI. je nar-nArI Adare tene akShay avichal pad hoya. a.ngUThe amR^it varase labdhi taNA bhaNDAra. guru gautamane samarIe to sadAy manavA.nChit phal dAtA.